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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 16:08:22
Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 16:00:53
Some of you will have read the thread Loki Elis starts about what happened to our corporation some months ago :: if not click original thread
We logged on to find a mail from a "hacker" who had broken into an account with the character "Nicodemus Novasun" on it. Now this "hacker" proceded to destroy the hangar arrays at all 3 of our POS's including any ships he had not stolen and about 8 months of fuel.
He also stole all our blueprints that we're not locked down - our blueprints were restricted to a few people - the character in question had been with us since the beginning. On top of this the "hacker" then went into Akkio and announced what he had done and said he wanted to give people bookmarks to the POS locations so other people could go finish them off.
Thanks to alot of hard work and help from friends we managed to get the POS's online, but it was only a temporary fix. It has all but killed the corp with many people leaving or not logging on anymore. We estimate about 17b in lost assets - we we're left with about 800m in the corp wallet and not much else.
As you can imagine we were all pretty crushed by this, but theres more.
When i was out scanning in the system i picked up some haulers & badgers on the scanner in what appeared to be a safespot about 3,000,000 kilometers from one of our POS.
I picked up a hauler, moved some characters who could fly badgers to the system and proceded to move the items back to the POS - i also noticed 3 secure containers that looked like they had been jettisoned. Two of them didnt have a password and were full or missiles from out POS defense and the other was passworded.
I did a quick show info to confirm that these were dropped by Nico's character.
They were not.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Now most of you will know that only the portrait of the person who jettisoned the container is show when you click "show info"; we have tested it - believe me. So Operion was there, and jettisoned those cans.
Now i feel i should explain one or two things right about here. Operion is the alt of a character called Selmada, he might be the main now. He and Nico are real life friends. Apparently Nico has left the game altogether or is on "holiday". What seems obvious is that he gave Operion the password to the account - who then proceeded to royally f**k over his corp of 6-7 months pretending to be a hacker.
why? i hear you ask.
Simple, he needed the money for his carrier, skills and fittings.
Exhibit C
He bought the carrier just before he stole all the stuff, and im guessing he didnt fancy earning all the money for the rest of the stuff by ratting like he says he did for the carrier.
So thats the motive and link to the hacked account covered.
Now, amongst the things he stole were alot of blueprints - amongst the originals we had was the scorpion. I believe we researched it to 10 ME - but i cant remember exactly. The point is, Operion would have no need for blueprints and yet...
Exhibit D
Why am i posting this? i dont see any realistic way to get back what he took - CCP wont do anything because a) they dont care b) there too busy c) they encourage this type of thing. We petitioned it but were told to contact them on the hacked account - yea, clever people those gm's.
Its strange when someone youve spoken to many times on TS does something like this - hes
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 21/03/2007 16:03:41
Prepare to have your thread nerfed. Post links not images.
That said I feel your pain. Corp thieves are the lowest of the low, they do add a certain spice to the game, but they can also utterly crush a corporation and ruin the game for a number of players. There are not enough security tools in place to stop the higher ups from taking corp property.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 16:01:20
Id hope that the community would make his life a little harder, KOS's and that kind of thing - as i say if someone can fraps taking his carrier down we'll give a reward of 100m.
:: edited to stop ISD ganking the images.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:08:00 -
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Offer a standing bounty on him, 10M for every time he gets killed dead, indefinatelly.
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:09:00 -
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That's pretty harsh, I hope you guys make it ok.
"MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum |
Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 21/03/2007 16:06:45
I'm sure there are groups out there who would happily do so for a reward. Try posting in crime and punishment, someone there will likely negotiate a price with you.
[EDIT my spelling sucks today]
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Vicarrah
Minmatar
Minmatar Undergroun Freedom Force
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:10:00 -
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now he's trying to leave the corp and we are checking it every day and just giving him a query role so he cant leave with either character.
this is against the rules and he can petition you for doing it.
if he wants to leave a corp, there is no way you can legally stop him doing it, you just have to followin him with wardecs wherever he goes.
Vicarrah
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Jaymine
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jaymine on 21/03/2007 16:12:24
Well, not that I agree with corp theft but, robbing a corp blind is not breaking any rules within EVE. However, you are greifing him by changing his roles everyday and not allowing him to leave the corp, which is a petitionable offense. 
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:13:00 -
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to be honest, i give up with it - he can leave for me - ive said what i needed to say, i dont want him in the corp, we cant move forward with a piece of crap like that floating about.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:16:00 -
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Nice to see you have found out who the guy really was.
Just goes to show, somepeople will do anything...
You do however have to let him leave the corp; its harrasment if you keep giving him his roles back 
But, as has been said, post in C&P about the nice 100m reward for his carrie and it will be done by someone
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jaymine
Well, not that I agree with corp theft but, robbing a corp blind is not breaking any rules within EVE.
No but account sharing is against the rules and from the OP it sounds like one of their members shared his account with someone else who robbed the corp blind.
Not sure even in this case if CCP should reimburse due to a hacked account (probably not if your own corp member willingly gave over his PW to a "friend").
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Jaymine
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot
Originally by: Jaymine
Well, not that I agree with corp theft but, robbing a corp blind is not breaking any rules within EVE.
No but account sharing is against the rules and from the OP it sounds like one of their members shared his account with someone else who robbed the corp blind.
Not sure even in this case if CCP should reimburse due to a hacked account (probably not if your own corp member willingly gave over his PW to a "friend").
True but I see no way to prove that he shared his account, the original owner could have just decided to rob the corp and use this as an excuse, much like "hacker" excuse
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:21:00 -
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Well.
We didnt know that stopping someone leaving was against the rules - and now we do, we will stop. He's officially free to go do the same to someone else, i hope he's familiar with Dante's work.
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Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:28:00 -
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If you are sure about the account sharing and can convince a GM to check, you won't have to worry about seeing him log on ever again.
(Hint, hint)
[ 2007.03.18 18:45:59 ] (notify) Typhoon belonging to Gandolf self-destructs. |
Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:29:00 -
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Saltire > i have a corp member of yours applying to join me, can you give me a reference, he says your vice ceo
Jain Za > yep - sure
Saltire > <url=showinfo:1374//652737351>Operion</url> is the guy, u work much with him?
Jain Za > http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=494774&page=1
Jain Za > unless your taking the **** :)
Saltire > yeah i was, hes a rl mate and i knew about the scam 3 months ago!
Saltire > lol
Jain Za > ahh good for you.
at least i wasnt wrong.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wyehr
If you are sure about the account sharing and can convince a GM to check, you won't have to worry about seeing him log on ever again.
(Hint, hint)
if i had even the slightest faith that someone thing would get done, id petition it.
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:33:00 -
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WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
SALTIRE : the most loved, feared and respected pvper and pirate in eve history. |
Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
ahh thats nice :)
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MaDeX
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:55:00 -
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Best of luck to you guys ;(
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
If CCP finds evidence of account sharing, aren't you going to get bansticked?
I hope so.
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Kevin Grifth
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
If CCP finds evidence of account sharing, aren't you going to get bansticked?
I hope so.
I'm not QUITE certain, but I think the guy is joking..... Erm.... I think....
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Operion
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:06:00 -
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Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
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Raekone
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:07:00 -
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Sorry for your loss.
On the subject of petitions and CCP undoing corp thefts... I would be royally p'd off if I decided to rip my corp off and CCP stepped in somehow and took it back from me, as it was a consious decision on my part to do so, and not in conflict with current game mechanics in any way - on the contrary, the fact that methods like lockdown and hangar rights exist means that it's perfectly legal to do it no matter how many billion you head off with.
But it stills sucks though, happened to my old corp once so I know exactly how you feel.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:07:00 -
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Haven't you heard? CCP only bans 6 yr old little girls' accounts.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kevin Grifth
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
If CCP finds evidence of account sharing, aren't you going to get bansticked?
I hope so.
I'm not QUITE certain, but I think the guy is joking..... Erm.... I think....
I was under the impression that this is the guy that was given the account details. I might be wrong.
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Revolution Rising
Minmatar
Venture Research and Resources
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:10:00 -
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Can you make it so that a bpo can only be removed from the corp locker by starting a job on the bpo ? and then when it goes back into the locker - it is again not removable.
I'm just starting a new corp, we have 4 members, some of which will probably want access. This kind of thing scares hell out of me ;)
Sorry for your loss - I find these kinds of people really despicable, but it is a valid move on their part. I would like better tools to deal with it however.
RR.
CEO Venture Research and Resources.
VRR Homepage |
Fafnir Drake
Gallente
Boob Heads
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
Stuff the 'holier than thou" bull. Let me see if I get you logic:
"Some corp mates are imo being screwed over. Hm, I think I'll screw the entire corp, including the innocents. But of COURSE it was all a noble plan to teach them valuble morals."
Stow it. Personally I hope CPP looks at this very closely. People like you are the type I will go out of my way to give an ulcer.
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jam6549
Amarr
Iron Hammer Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
noob 
sorry for ur loss guys. makes u love the game, don't it?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:25:00 -
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I really dislike when people destroy the work of many people and months in such a shaby way.
Now you should hire mercs so that they kill his carrier, shouldn't be too hard to find some capable people for that.
Either your corp gets destroyed by this incident or it will move closer together to archieve bigger goals. It often happened that the best groups were forged together in the fire of turmoil and at the brink of destruction - if you survive you will have a good future.
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:36:00 -
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Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Dark Flare - Corpus PCG |
Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: RaWBLooD on 21/03/2007 18:43:37
this is why corp access is restricted in such a way that no one but the ceo can really take anything of value, this creates additional stress on the ceo, but compared to giving all that acess to every member...
not to mention if someone is inactive for such a long time, why would you keep all their access? I personally would expect them to just log on 1 day and mess around, because they obviously dont care anymore.
I am really sorry for your loss and I hope that your corp can get back on its feet and crush someone to regain your ego.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 20:45:04
Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it!
Didnt take much guessing.
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but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway.
Hmm well we seemed to be doing pretty damn well till you did what you did.
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You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
We set prices everyone was happy with at the beginning - then the market went haywire with revelations and when the price we were paying became an issue we changed it, we did NOT say "tough, find another corp" - we changed the price to something everyone was happy with.
Not that you would know since you spent all your time ratting anyway.
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And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
I havent seen any promotional material that states "steal all your corp stuff"
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17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me.
The hangars is what ****ed me off most since it had taken us around 3 months to get all that fuel out there - but then you wouldnt appreciate that since your self centred and dont care about the effort people have put in.
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Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
haha stfu you loser.
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If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
There is nothing you could teach us Josh, all you have learnt is how little integrity you have - and this is imaginary stuff, your integrity is real.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.21 20:50:00 -
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I know it sucks but the best thing you can do is move on and let the devs handle it through petitions.
If an account was being shared between two people, that is a bannable offense and I suggest you report it.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Operion
blah blah
Corp thieves are scum.
May you get kicked in the balls.
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Operion
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Posted - 2007.03.22 01:19:00 -
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There was no account sharing... and there is no way for you to prove that anyway... I regularly played at nico's house as well as here at my house... He lives just down the road.... So really if CCP did find my account logged in at 2 different places in the same day... that's too bad... anyway.. I'm done with the flame war... I'm happy I did what I did.. but again.. I did NOT pop the hangers... believe me or not... up to you...
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Tinn Kutsuu
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Posted - 2007.03.22 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Operion
I did NOT pop the hangers... believe me or not... up to you...
If this is true, you still left them in the position to get popped, so YOU are still responsible. even if YOU didnt pop them directly, YOU still caused thier destruction
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Maam
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Posted - 2007.03.22 08:38:00 -
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It's only a matter of time before this sort of thing spills over into RL unpleasantness.
Leaves me with a very nasty taste in my mouth, and I just can't get it into my head how someone could, in effect, ruin the game for so many people.
You really have to be such a dishonest and unpleasant person in RL, or so addicted to Eve that you'll do anything, just to get the latest and biggest shiny thing.
Piracy, all the other "bad" professions. I can understand those. But corp theft, where you rip off people you know and who trust you. Nah. 
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.22 09:12:00 -
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Destroying the hangars with the ships and all fuel was far and beyond corp theft, it was downright heartless.
The annoying thing is we had just received a contract with a alliance and we're supplying them with ships (upwards of 20+ battleships a week) but lost that contract due to this.
But anyway, we'll get over this and be stronger - you'll always be a weak person.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.03.22 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.
And you have a RL anger problem that's clouding your already messed up reasoning capabilities.
Think about that one for a bit..if you don't get it, I'm sure others will explain it to you.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Pika Chiu
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Posted - 2007.03.22 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.
thats your professional medical oppinion is it?
its a GAME one in which you can be a bad ass if you so choose, it is in no way a reflection of a persons mental issues. Granted in some cases it is, but in most no, its just a play style get a grip! its like saying in CS:Source someone has mental problems if they play the terrorist side, and yes ive seen that opinnion banded about in CS, or that anyone that plays an animal race in fantasy MMOs is a furry or a yiffie, it doesnt make sense.
To the OP, sorry for your loss, but you should look after your corp assets more carefully, a corp is a business, its hard work to keep it safe, but the extra measures are worth it, and hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson :)
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Sisco Deivas
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.22 09:59:00 -
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Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.
Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.
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Pika Chiu
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sisco Deivas
Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.
Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.
Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.
do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?
the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.
yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.
personally i wouldnt do it i dont have the patience to pull it off, but i can see how it has its place in the game.
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Jack Cannon
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:13:00 -
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there is a simple answer to this... you know where he lives... you can find his IP and personal information easy enough... be creative.
or
consider this is a game and maybe you should all go play it a little more aggressivly since that's how ccp wants it played. Create alts and go follow him and rip him off. One day he'll slip up.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:16:00 -
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Guys - i appreciate the sentiments but really, lets keep this civilised. In no way do i wish anyone harm in RL over an incident that happened in a game, thats just silly talk.
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OneSock
PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: OneSock on 22/03/2007 11:37:18
Originally by: Pika Chiu
do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?
the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.
yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.
Interesting issue though isn't it because they said they planned it IRL out of game. And they knew that there were real people who had put a lot of their RL time into their corp. So IMO there is a cross over and to an extent it does reflect a lack of RL moral character. If these people had never met IRL and planned all this in game then maybe it would be slightly different.
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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Sisco Deivas
Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.
Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.
Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.
do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?
the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.
yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.
personally i wouldnt do it i dont have the patience to pull it off, but i can see how it has its place in the game.
all i can say is that eve's mature community ensures that along with a good supply of quality players you're going to get real troubled people, mental problems generally develop with age...but i certainly am not able to say what said people do in eve, it seems too neat and tidy to suggest they'd all become corp thieves, which is basically roleplaying to the max. I'm tempted to think that the people who are nice and empathic in real life actually play gun crazed fragging maniacs online  , isn't that the point of a game ^.^
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:59:00 -
[48]
Condolences to Jewel. As always, the three characters mentioned will be set to -10, KOS.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:00:00 -
[49]
Sorry to hear of you guys loss. We had a corp theft last august I think it was just before a war. The corp theft though wasn't related to the war or at least never could link them. They only got cheap stuff.
I understand how devastating this is. If you can convince your friends to stick it out, to rebuild. Otherwise you just let creeps like this win.
If you guys can still mine or something in high sec to get yourselves back on foot, I could buy some minerals from you. Send a mail in game to me if interested.
I would also petition the two characters. If they sent a mail that they had hacked the account, report that mail to CCP. Report it and all losses, you might be surprised. Might as well report the suspected shared account as well. There is no evidence that a player could obtain legally that CCP could use to ban an account, that's why them always asking for it is stupid. Ask the petitions to be seen by a senior GM team.
I also know a merc corp that is up and coming, they are led by Xornicon Altair, he and his outfit might be willing to kill a carrier if suitably motivated. You might contact him see what kind of offer you can get.
I hope you guys recover.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:24:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
What a load of malarchy.
Incidentally them redoing your corp roles to keep you in is not more against the EULA than you hacking another accout, or sharing another account....
Prior to your post they were made aware that it was against the rules and said they wouldn't be.
So what do you have to be proud of?
You've run folks off from the game. (Incidentally by the EULA if those quitting cited you as the reason you technically can be banned for this....)
You stole from those that were hard working because you were to lazy to make your own.
You are pathetic.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:28:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.
thats your professional medical oppinion is it?
its a GAME one in which you can be a bad ass if you so choose, it is in no way a reflection of a persons mental issues. Granted in some cases it is, but in most no, its just a play style get a grip! its like saying in CS:Source someone has mental problems if they play the terrorist side, and yes ive seen that opinnion banded about in CS, or that anyone that plays an animal race in fantasy MMOs is a furry or a yiffie, it doesnt make sense.
To the OP, sorry for your loss, but you should look after your corp assets more carefully, a corp is a business, its hard work to keep it safe, but the extra measures are worth it, and hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson :)
Not entirely correct, I"ve played RPing games for almost 30 years. In every character I have played there was a part of me. Given similar circumstances and abilities, I would have acted as they did.
Writing it off as just a game, and saying no harm was done is not being honest to yourself or to others.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:53:00 -
[52]
Any industrial corporations that are wishing to help us through this, or just want to touch base with a view to future co-operation then please feel to convo or pm me in game.
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Solbright
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:55:00 -
[53]
Unlike first-person-shooter type games, the time sink that is Eve makes it a rather good match for real life. The personal investment in a corp makes it of real value to all those involved.
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Father Lazarous
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:57:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Not entirely correct, I"ve played RPing games for almost 30 years. In every character I have played there was a part of me. Given similar circumstances and abilities, I would have acted as they did.
Writing it off as just a game, and saying no harm was done is not being honest to yourself or to others.
It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm.
When they turn off the EVE Client, they are still just the same person - perhaps a little annoyed - but still just the same.
People should be aware, that one day CCP will turn off the EVE servers - this is not going to last forever, then and only then will the real harm be done to people...
- The loss of man hours for something that is reliant on an internet connection.
- The loss of "real life" where they have not done things that they should have been doing as they wanted to play EVE.
...EVE is a drug in terms of being a time sink in my opinion. My drug used to be wanting to earn ISK and then I hit the point of never needing to again, so the need to be logged in all the time faded -but- there where times that I played too much.
In my humble opinion, the ONLY harm that will ever come to a person is who they will feel when one day -and it will happen- EVE is turned off. What happens ingame, stays in game.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:04:00 -
[55]
When I channel my hate to productive
I don't find it hard to impress.
Use that hatred to rebuild and send misery his way, grudges and unrefined hatred is part of the glue that keeps me in. Good luck in getting this guy, remember to send all his future corporations a letter reminding them of what he did.
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Q Bert
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
When I channel my hate to productive
I don't find it hard to impress.
*PANTERA Rules*
This to read makes me sick. He should get punished by Eve Law Enforcement, not able to undock from Jail Station for some month or so.
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shuckstar
Gallente
Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:23:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-SCUM
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:34:00 -
[58]
Quote:
Pika Chiu - "thats your professional medical opinion is it?"
Might be, when i finish my psychology degree and then my masters ;)
Quote:
Solbright -" Unlike first-person-shooter type games, the time sink that is Eve makes it a rather good match for real life. The personal investment in a corp makes it of real value to all those involved."
This is entirely correct, the emotional and psychological attachment from time invested becomes personalized unfortunately.
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed.
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Tekhmet Enylo
Gallente
Bionesis Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:39:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Tekhmet Enylo on 22/03/2007 13:36:12
Originally by: Jain Za
Any industrial corporations that are wishing to help us through this, or just want to touch base with a view to future co-operation then please feel to convo or pm me in game.
Not sure we can help industrially speaking, but if we can we will.
I feel your pain and I think what happened to your corp is really all CEO's and director's nightmare.
Having the griefer bragging about it here doesn't help either.
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:47:00 -
[60]
Oh, what a blow. Hope you guys are moving on and able to save your base. I'm not quite the miner, but I'll try to donate a bit of ISK if you're planning on continuing.
Operion will be on my list on crappy people. No reason to buy or sell anything to the git and I seriously hope someone pop his carrier and capsule.
I hope CCP will do something about plus restoring your stuff.
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Cker
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:00:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Cker on 22/03/2007 13:57:02
Sorry to hear about your loss Jewel.
It seems like you trusted someone who prefers to act more like a child than an adult, 'take what you want whenever you want, no matter who's affected', just feel good in knowing that despite he took a lot of your personal time investments and flushed it away to buy a carrier, you can make the rest of his time in eve a misery, bounty hunters and mercenaries looking for wardecs on his corporations will more than happily blow up his carrier, and then his pod, and repeatedly do so until he quits.
Just post up a few contracts on the crime and punishment forum, ask for the destruction of his carrier as the factor to be fulfilled, and basically keep him out of every corp he joins, it'll work.
People who use out of game methods to screw over people they know in real life shouldn't be taken seriously, but blown up seriously.
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Sisco Deivas
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:34:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Sisco Deivas on 22/03/2007 14:42:21
Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Sisco Deivas
Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.
Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.
Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.
do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?
the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.
yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.
personally i wouldnt do it i dont have the patience to pull it off, but i can see how it has its place in the game.
Eve may only be a "game" but the sheer factor is, you play it in real life with your free time.
To have someone take something off you, that you have worked hard for in a game or not, is pathetic.
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Father Lazarous
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:46:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.22 15:33:00 -
[64]
Mate,
That sucks - corp thieves are the wreckers of this game. You and your corp were one of the ones I really liked from Amen Anera and I'm very sorry to hear about this incident.
I'll set those guys to -10 KOS and recommend it to my friends in CVA / NOS too.
In the meantime, my corp is pretty much disbanding for a while until I get more time to play amd our senior members have more PVP experience.
As such....I can offer you the loan of some BPOs until we're fully operational again including our pride and joy the Hyperion BPO. No charge, no interest, just a goodwill gesture - I hope you can profit from it as much as we have.
Contact me and hopefully we can get you and your corp back on your feet.
Cheers,
Vyk.
(NB - I'm here for another 2 hours-ish today then off on a training course until about the 30th. Offer will still stand after that though. Cheers.)
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.03.22 15:50:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Saltire on 22/03/2007 15:47:11
who are you setting to -10? i bet they are frightened.
i thinm cva have us as -10 already after we ruined some of their providence fun
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Maam
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Posted - 2007.03.22 15:58:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
I fail to see how some people can't grasp this. It's not the goods as such, it's the time and effort taken to aquire them, and the time and effort that will be needed to re-aquire them. Just to get back to where they were at a couple of weeks ago.
They are paying to connect to the Eve cluster, you're correct there. But it's not the subscription money that's been taken away from them is it? It's a theft of their time.
You might as well say that someone breaking into your house and nicking the entire contents ... "Well, it's only stuff, you can work X hours and get it back again."
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:16:00 -
[67]
Corp theifs are the scum of this universe 
I sincearley hope Operion loses his carrier very quickley while hopelessley outguned, sensor damped to hell, and while full of BPO's.
Oh and hope an ibis gets the final blow... Sick.
Good luck Jewel Enterprises, no-one and no corp deserves this kind of dishonourable crap, and i hope you recocer quickley.
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:17:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:22:19
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:19:05
Quote:
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
No im not saying that at all. What I am implying is that Psychology assessments of individuals who are stressed can be measured on a scale, aptly called " The LIFE EVENT SCALE " or the " Holmes and Rahe Social Readjustment Rating Scale" and this measures stress in terms of life changes. Even minor events can be measured and can effect the behavior of individuals
This of course is subject to cultural and age differences as not everyone ( such as those who post " its just a game " ) will find this experience stressful. I would tho. How about this, ever lost your keys or wallet or an item you needed to find? Minor event huh? How stressed did you become over this? Getting my point now?
In saying that, no one really knows if the original poster was in fact stressed at all :). I think I might research this more. Will ask in lecture tomorrow.
Edit.
I'm going to also ask if the stress impinged on an individual from another individuals actions in a game causing stress would be construed as " Harm " and if that was the case, I wonder if there could be legal implications for CCp as they provide the tool for the action.
And before you jump down my throat lol, cigarette manufacturers are now fighting lots of legal cases where their product " harms" end users, and harm is harm be it physical or psychological which then manifests itself physiologically.
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Amphetaminer
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:19:00 -
[69]
I think keep changing his roles should be allowed just to **** these people off. I see you guys call it herassment.. Well what the corp thief did was way worse and if this is a way how you can return the favor then it should be allowed.
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Amphetaminer
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:22:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Amphetaminer on 22/03/2007 16:19:07
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
so lets say you played months and months finnaly get your titan you put in countless hours then i come along and in a cheap way destroy it.. or delete your char. Can you say it doesnt bother you one bit? Who cares if its bits and bytes.. its there isnt it? A relationship with a person is also not physical.. losing one still feels bad..
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Korizan
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:24:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Korizan on 22/03/2007 16:22:55
FYI,
Nicodemus Novasun
Status: Logged off
Location:
Constellation - Mivora
System - Akkio
Station - Akkio V - Moon 6 - Caldari Funds Unlimited
Operion
Status: On Line
He is still in your corp so you know where he is but I can tell you where he is too if you wish 
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Nacho Star
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Posted - 2007.03.22 17:48:00 -
[72]
Yes, I believe that due to time investment, this game has a way of mirroring real life. Think of all your characters and do they not all reflect a part of your personality even a little. It can be scary if you think about it.
Now as for my personality...I would be switching corp roles just to **** him off. He obviously shared accounts to attack you guys and I don't see how its an exploit. Its in the game isn't it? Everyone knows that what's in the game isn't an exploit...ask the devs
More than likely, he won't get any respect and consistently spit on as this thread circulates. Once the euphoria of his theft wears off, he'll realize that.
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Father Lazarous
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:00:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:22:19
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:19:05
Quote:
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
< SNIP >
In saying that, no one really knows if the original poster was in fact stressed at all :). I think I might research this more. Will ask in lecture tomorrow.
Edit.
I'm going to also ask if the stress impinged on an individual from another individuals actions in a game causing stress would be construed as " Harm " and if that was the case, I wonder if there could be legal implications for CCp as they provide the tool for the action.
And before you jump down my throat lol, cigarette manufacturers are now fighting lots of legal cases where their product " harms" end users, and harm is harm be it physical or psychological which then manifests itself physiologically.
I would actually be very interested in the response, please do post it.
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Martyr Theos
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Posted - 2007.03.22 23:38:00 -
[74]
Jewel Thief???....
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jimmyjam
Gallente
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.03.23 00:17:00 -
[75]
I think the corp theft threads should get there own forum section.There seems to be a new corp theft every 5 seconds.
Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, |
Hypatia Iola
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 03:08:00 -
[76]
i know Selmada, at least in passing. is it actually his alt or what? Sel always seemed pretty cool to me, but meh, what do i know.
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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.23 03:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
Are you mentally obtuse? Stress is everywhere in everything. People wouldn't play eve if they did not care and stress about it at times, people put large investments of time and cash into eve, and to imply somehow they don't care is foolish. If it were true you'd get people losing all their wealth in hours because they didn't care that their badger with all their wealth in it was on autopilot though 100 no-sec jumps. well actually...um, anyhow...
...To imply so dismissively that 'eve is just a game and you own nothing' is utterly missing the point of the game and the fact that you own your account, provided to you by CCP under terms; certainly nobody else does! Eve online strives to be a socially realistic game without safety nets to keep players glowing and happy, to imply that eve is just a game is ignorant of the depth of the game and the role of games in real life. You chose your level of involvement; players like me fly cheapo ships and know we are dead, but we hope one day to do a little more (or at least till AoC comes out mwhaha). Other players construct alliances, industrial infrastructures, Stations and social networks, that affect the entire game both me and you play. Without such players eve would be as 2 dimensional and pointless as WoW.
Seriously, you should see me on FPS games and occasionally RTS, god damn i go manic. I've smashed keyboards over my knee's before. I've whipped mice against my wall, showering me with bits of cathartic plastic, i even once executed a PC with my Guitar.
stress is what makes games FUN you think everyone sits at their computers like hundu cows? surrounded by glass bowls full of pebbles and fake long-grass? no.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.23 07:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Gnulpie
I really dislike when people destroy the work of many people and months in such a shaby way.
The funny, ironic thing about this and all corp thievery is that everyone was like "wow!!! cool lol!!!omg you pwnzoR!!!1" when GHSC did this a while back. Can someone explain why, nowadays, every hates it?
Please, Dear CCP, Dear sweet baby CCP up in Heaven, please protect me from the ebil people, sweet baby CCP!
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:55:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Hypatia Iola
i know Selmada, at least in passing. is it actually his alt or what? Sel always seemed pretty cool to me, but meh, what do i know.
Yep Selmada is his alt and he seemed pretty cool to us till we rumbled him - at least you know what kind of person he really is now.
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G0rF
Gallente
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:29:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jain Za
Apparently Nico has left the game altogether or is on "holiday". What seems obvious is that he gave Operion the password to the account - who then proceeded to royally f**k over his corp of 6-7 months pretending to be a hacker.
This is a breach of the EULA.
No, CCP won't reimburse you. Says everywhere: "Never tell anyone your password".
Now you see why.
Oh, and the account wasn't hacked, it was given away.
Still, it's a hell of a loss, I feel your pain.
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Lacihtenu
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:14:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Fafnir Drake
Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
Stuff the 'holier than thou" bull. Let me see if I get you logic:
"Some corp mates are imo being screwed over. Hm, I think I'll screw the entire corp, including the innocents. But of COURSE it was all a noble plan to teach them valuble morals."
Stow it. Personally I hope CPP looks at this very closely. People like you are the type I will go out of my way to give an ulcer.
They won't though. I think that all the CCP employees are ex-Enron big wigs. 
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Crinos Childflayer on 23/03/2007 19:55:07
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
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Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
Are you mentally obtuse? Stress is everywhere in everything. People wouldn't play eve if they did not care and stress about it at times, people put large investments of time and cash into eve, and to imply somehow they don't care is foolish. If it were true you'd get people losing all their wealth in hours because they didn't care that their badger with all their wealth in it was on autopilot though 100 no-sec jumps. well actually...um, anyhow...
...To imply so dismissively that 'eve is just a game and you own nothing' is utterly missing the point of the game and the fact that you own your account, provided to you by CCP under terms; certainly nobody else does! Eve online strives to be a socially realistic game without safety nets to keep players glowing and happy, to imply that eve is just a game is ignorant of the depth of the game and the role of games in real life. You chose your level of involvement; players like me fly cheapo ships and know we are dead, but we hope one day to do a little more (or at least till AoC comes out mwhaha). Other players construct alliances, industrial infrastructures, Stations and social networks, that affect the entire game both me and you play. Without such players eve would be as 2 dimensional and pointless as WoW.
Seriously, you should see me on FPS games and occasionally RTS, god damn i go manic. I've smashed keyboards over my knee's before. I've whipped mice against my wall, showering me with bits of cathartic plastic, i even once executed a PC with my Guitar.
stress is what makes games FUN you think everyone sits at their computers like hundu cows? surrounded by glass bowls full of pebbles and fake long-grass? no.
You're very close to the truth actually. There was a lawsuit in some Asian country a while back about Ultima Online. The company removed certain items from the game all together, although they replace them with "equal value" the players were ticked off about the nerfed equipment. The player SUED THE COMPANY and believe it or not, HE WON. They ruled that the online items constituted real world value and had to be returned. It's insane, but the rulings we get here in the US can be worse. (Suing tobacco companies for cancer......duh) So, it's a borderline thing right now, and I'm sure the loss of a couple of years of work in EVE could push someone to suicide if it was all they had left. Some people don't get as attached as others, and some people just have nothing else in life but games. (I'm close ) Just a thought for you, although I think it's not that serious, to someone else, you could be destroying thier life. Chew on that next time you plan a scam or a corp theft.
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Boliknar on 23/03/2007 20:23:26
Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.
thats your professional medical oppinion is it?
its a GAME one in which you can be a bad ass if you so choose, it is in no way a reflection of a persons mental issues. Granted in some cases it is, but in most no, its just a play style get a grip! its like saying in CS:Source someone has mental problems if they play the terrorist side, and yes ive seen that opinnion banded about in CS, or that anyone that plays an animal race in fantasy MMOs is a furry or a yiffie, it doesnt make sense.
To the OP, sorry for your loss, but you should look after your corp assets more carefully, a corp is a business, its hard work to keep it safe, but the extra measures are worth it, and hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson :)
I point you to your favorite search engine...now search for psychological studies on game playing. You will find the vast majority of them state that in fact alot of insight can be gained from obvserving the way a person plays games. Take that as you will...but it really intresting to read.
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:46:00 -
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Is which i stand by my original post. If theres an asswhole in you, EVE will make it worse lol.
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Is which i stand by my original post. If theres an asswhole in you, EVE will make it worse lol.
*Raises his hand*
Seriously though, if not for the risk of death & loss of the comfortable American lifestyle, I'd be in the Carribean on a gunboat with a bunch of guys carrying AK's. I'd be directing the hijacking, and subsequent robbery, of cruiseships full of fat American buisnessmen and thier trophy wives. I can't even imagine the amount of loot you could get from a whole ship of richies. But of course, not gonna do that now, too much trouble.
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Minmatar
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Crinos Childflayer
You're very close to the truth actually. There was a lawsuit in some Asian country a while back about Ultima Online. The company removed certain items from the game all together, although they replace them with "equal value" the players were ticked off about the nerfed equipment. The player SUED THE COMPANY and believe it or not, HE WON. They ruled that the online items constituted real world value and had to be returned. It's insane, but the rulings we get here in the US can be worse. (Suing tobacco companies for cancer......duh) So, it's a borderline thing right now, and I'm sure the loss of a couple of years of work in EVE could push someone to suicide if it was all they had left. Some people don't get as attached as others, and some people just have nothing else in life but games. (I'm close ) Just a thought for you, although I think it's not that serious, to someone else, you could be destroying thier life. Chew on that next time you plan a scam or a corp theft.
from the guy that was just recently bragging about his recent scam. same guy that was incredibly irked because he only got a couple million from it and most people laughed about it... i'm really not sure what to make of this.
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Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sun Win on 25/03/2007 23:35:51
Originally by: Jain Za
Guys - i appreciate the sentiments but really, lets keep this civilised. In no way do i wish anyone harm in RL over an incident that happened in a game, thats just silly talk.
++ Points for this. A good and healthy attitude to bring to the game. Part of what makes Eve so great is that when you do lose things, it DOES hurt. But then you triumph over the adversity and move on and the whole thing is a lot of fun. Good on you for getting that it's all a game.
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Daqinson
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.01 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
stress is what makes games FUN you think everyone sits at their computers like hundu cows? surrounded by glass bowls full of pebbles and fake long-grass? no.
WOW! This guy hit it right on the head.... HUNDU COWS! revelations...
Not to mention that the pebbles and long grass are characteristic of Mainland China/ Northern Japan, rather than India... Just food for thought since you probably have not taken a civ class in your middle school yet :) |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:23:00 -
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And thats why we all love Daq!! Said like a good Hundu man. :)
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:38:00 -
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I don't support corp theft, but I don't support whining about it either.
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