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Cker
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cker on 22/03/2007 13:57:02
Sorry to hear about your loss Jewel.
It seems like you trusted someone who prefers to act more like a child than an adult, 'take what you want whenever you want, no matter who's affected', just feel good in knowing that despite he took a lot of your personal time investments and flushed it away to buy a carrier, you can make the rest of his time in eve a misery, bounty hunters and mercenaries looking for wardecs on his corporations will more than happily blow up his carrier, and then his pod, and repeatedly do so until he quits.
Just post up a few contracts on the crime and punishment forum, ask for the destruction of his carrier as the factor to be fulfilled, and basically keep him out of every corp he joins, it'll work.
People who use out of game methods to screw over people they know in real life shouldn't be taken seriously, but blown up seriously.
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Sisco Deivas
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:34:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Sisco Deivas on 22/03/2007 14:42:21
 Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Sisco Deivas
Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.
Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.
Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.
do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?
the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.
yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.
personally i wouldnt do it i dont have the patience to pull it off, but i can see how it has its place in the game.
Eve may only be a "game" but the sheer factor is, you play it in real life with your free time.
To have someone take something off you, that you have worked hard for in a game or not, is pathetic.
As for your "judgment" on his real life character, have you read his previous posts?.. slightly obnoxiously arrogant don't you think to mock over it. |
Father Lazarous
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:46:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.22 15:33:00 -
[64]
Mate,
That sucks - corp thieves are the wreckers of this game. You and your corp were one of the ones I really liked from Amen Anera and I'm very sorry to hear about this incident.
I'll set those guys to -10 KOS and recommend it to my friends in CVA / NOS too.
In the meantime, my corp is pretty much disbanding for a while until I get more time to play amd our senior members have more PVP experience.
As such....I can offer you the loan of some BPOs until we're fully operational again including our pride and joy the Hyperion BPO. No charge, no interest, just a goodwill gesture - I hope you can profit from it as much as we have. 
Contact me and hopefully we can get you and your corp back on your feet.
Cheers,
Vyk.
(NB - I'm here for another 2 hours-ish today then off on a training course until about the 30th. Offer will still stand after that though. Cheers.)
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.03.22 15:50:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Saltire on 22/03/2007 15:47:11
who are you setting to -10? i bet they are frightened.
i thinm cva have us as -10 already after we ruined some of their providence fun
SALTIRE : the most loved, feared and respected pvper and pirate in eve history. |
Maam
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Posted - 2007.03.22 15:58:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
I fail to see how some people can't grasp this. It's not the goods as such, it's the time and effort taken to aquire them, and the time and effort that will be needed to re-aquire them. Just to get back to where they were at a couple of weeks ago.
They are paying to connect to the Eve cluster, you're correct there. But it's not the subscription money that's been taken away from them is it? It's a theft of their time.
You might as well say that someone breaking into your house and nicking the entire contents ... "Well, it's only stuff, you can work X hours and get it back again."
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:16:00 -
[67]
Corp theifs are the scum of this universe 
I sincearley hope Operion loses his carrier very quickley while hopelessley outguned, sensor damped to hell, and while full of BPO's.
Oh and hope an ibis gets the final blow... Sick. 
Good luck Jewel Enterprises, no-one and no corp deserves this kind of dishonourable crap, and i hope you recocer quickley.
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:17:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:22:19
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:19:05
Quote:
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
No im not saying that at all. What I am implying is that Psychology assessments of individuals who are stressed can be measured on a scale, aptly called " The LIFE EVENT SCALE " or the " Holmes and Rahe Social Readjustment Rating Scale" and this measures stress in terms of life changes. Even minor events can be measured and can effect the behavior of individuals
This of course is subject to cultural and age differences as not everyone ( such as those who post " its just a game " ) will find this experience stressful. I would tho. How about this, ever lost your keys or wallet or an item you needed to find? Minor event huh? How stressed did you become over this? Getting my point now?
In saying that, no one really knows if the original poster was in fact stressed at all :). I think I might research this more. Will ask in lecture tomorrow.
Edit.
I'm going to also ask if the stress impinged on an individual from another individuals actions in a game causing stress would be construed as " Harm " and if that was the case, I wonder if there could be legal implications for CCp as they provide the tool for the action.
And before you jump down my throat lol, cigarette manufacturers are now fighting lots of legal cases where their product " harms" end users, and harm is harm be it physical or psychological which then manifests itself physiologically.
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Amphetaminer
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:19:00 -
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I think keep changing his roles should be allowed just to **** these people off. I see you guys call it herassment.. Well what the corp thief did was way worse and if this is a way how you can return the favor then it should be allowed.
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Amphetaminer
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:22:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Amphetaminer on 22/03/2007 16:19:07
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
so lets say you played months and months finnaly get your titan you put in countless hours then i come along and in a cheap way destroy it.. or delete your char. Can you say it doesnt bother you one bit? Who cares if its bits and bytes.. its there isnt it? A relationship with a person is also not physical.. losing one still feels bad..
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Korizan
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:24:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Korizan on 22/03/2007 16:22:55
FYI,
Nicodemus Novasun
Status: Logged off
Location:
Constellation - Mivora
System - Akkio
Station - Akkio V - Moon 6 - Caldari Funds Unlimited
Operion
Status: On Line
He is still in your corp so you know where he is but I can tell you where he is too if you wish 
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Nacho Star
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Posted - 2007.03.22 17:48:00 -
[72]
Yes, I believe that due to time investment, this game has a way of mirroring real life. Think of all your characters and do they not all reflect a part of your personality even a little. It can be scary if you think about it.
Now as for my personality...I would be switching corp roles just to **** him off. He obviously shared accounts to attack you guys and I don't see how its an exploit. Its in the game isn't it? Everyone knows that what's in the game isn't an exploit...ask the devs 
More than likely, he won't get any respect and consistently spit on as this thread circulates. Once the euphoria of his theft wears off, he'll realize that.
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Father Lazarous
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:00:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:22:19
Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 16:19:05
Quote:
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
< SNIP >
In saying that, no one really knows if the original poster was in fact stressed at all :). I think I might research this more. Will ask in lecture tomorrow.
Edit.
I'm going to also ask if the stress impinged on an individual from another individuals actions in a game causing stress would be construed as " Harm " and if that was the case, I wonder if there could be legal implications for CCp as they provide the tool for the action.
And before you jump down my throat lol, cigarette manufacturers are now fighting lots of legal cases where their product " harms" end users, and harm is harm be it physical or psychological which then manifests itself physiologically.
I would actually be very interested in the response, please do post it.
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Martyr Theos
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Posted - 2007.03.22 23:38:00 -
[74]
Jewel Thief???....
Oh... I get it. |
jimmyjam
Gallente
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.03.23 00:17:00 -
[75]
I think the corp theft threads should get there own forum section.There seems to be a new corp theft every 5 seconds.
Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, |
Hypatia Iola
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 03:08:00 -
[76]
i know Selmada, at least in passing. is it actually his alt or what? Sel always seemed pretty cool to me, but meh, what do i know.
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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.23 03:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
Are you mentally obtuse? Stress is everywhere in everything. People wouldn't play eve if they did not care and stress about it at times, people put large investments of time and cash into eve, and to imply somehow they don't care is foolish. If it were true you'd get people losing all their wealth in hours because they didn't care that their badger with all their wealth in it was on autopilot though 100 no-sec jumps. well actually...um, anyhow...
...To imply so dismissively that 'eve is just a game and you own nothing' is utterly missing the point of the game and the fact that you own your account, provided to you by CCP under terms; certainly nobody else does! Eve online strives to be a socially realistic game without safety nets to keep players glowing and happy, to imply that eve is just a game is ignorant of the depth of the game and the role of games in real life. You chose your level of involvement; players like me fly cheapo ships and know we are dead, but we hope one day to do a little more (or at least till AoC comes out mwhaha). Other players construct alliances, industrial infrastructures, Stations and social networks, that affect the entire game both me and you play. Without such players eve would be as 2 dimensional and pointless as WoW.
Seriously, you should see me on FPS games and occasionally RTS, god damn i go manic. I've smashed keyboards over my knee's before. I've whipped mice against my wall, showering me with bits of cathartic plastic, i even once executed a PC with my Guitar.
stress is what makes games FUN you think everyone sits at their computers like hundu cows? surrounded by glass bowls full of pebbles and fake long-grass? no.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.23 07:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Gnulpie
I really dislike when people destroy the work of many people and months in such a shaby way.
The funny, ironic thing about this and all corp thievery is that everyone was like "wow!!! cool lol!!!omg you pwnzoR!!!1" when GHSC did this a while back. Can someone explain why, nowadays, every hates it?
Please, Dear CCP, Dear sweet baby CCP up in Heaven, please protect me from the ebil people, sweet baby CCP!
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:55:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Hypatia Iola
i know Selmada, at least in passing. is it actually his alt or what? Sel always seemed pretty cool to me, but meh, what do i know.
Yep Selmada is his alt and he seemed pretty cool to us till we rumbled him - at least you know what kind of person he really is now.
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G0rF
Gallente
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:29:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jain Za
Apparently Nico has left the game altogether or is on "holiday". What seems obvious is that he gave Operion the password to the account - who then proceeded to royally f**k over his corp of 6-7 months pretending to be a hacker.
This is a breach of the EULA.
No, CCP won't reimburse you. Says everywhere: "Never tell anyone your password".
Now you see why.
Oh, and the account wasn't hacked, it was given away.
Still, it's a hell of a loss, I feel your pain.
The Causality international MMO gamers' community |
Lacihtenu
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:14:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Fafnir Drake
Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
Stuff the 'holier than thou" bull. Let me see if I get you logic:
"Some corp mates are imo being screwed over. Hm, I think I'll screw the entire corp, including the innocents. But of COURSE it was all a noble plan to teach them valuble morals."
Stow it. Personally I hope CPP looks at this very closely. People like you are the type I will go out of my way to give an ulcer.
They won't though. I think that all the CCP employees are ex-Enron big wigs. 
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:47:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Crinos Childflayer on 23/03/2007 19:55:07
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:58:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
Originally by: Father Lazarous
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Quote:
Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."
Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..
Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?
Your saying that there is a stress rating for losing goods on an online game that you don't actually own anyway - as all your doing is paying to connect to a cluster of servers and a database and play in a fantasy universe?
Are you mentally obtuse? Stress is everywhere in everything. People wouldn't play eve if they did not care and stress about it at times, people put large investments of time and cash into eve, and to imply somehow they don't care is foolish. If it were true you'd get people losing all their wealth in hours because they didn't care that their badger with all their wealth in it was on autopilot though 100 no-sec jumps. well actually...um, anyhow...
...To imply so dismissively that 'eve is just a game and you own nothing' is utterly missing the point of the game and the fact that you own your account, provided to you by CCP under terms; certainly nobody else does! Eve online strives to be a socially realistic game without safety nets to keep players glowing and happy, to imply that eve is just a game is ignorant of the depth of the game and the role of games in real life. You chose your level of involvement; players like me fly cheapo ships and know we are dead, but we hope one day to do a little more (or at least till AoC comes out mwhaha). Other players construct alliances, industrial infrastructures, Stations and social networks, that affect the entire game both me and you play. Without such players eve would be as 2 dimensional and pointless as WoW.
Seriously, you should see me on FPS games and occasionally RTS, god damn i go manic. I've smashed keyboards over my knee's before. I've whipped mice against my wall, showering me with bits of cathartic plastic, i even once executed a PC with my Guitar.
stress is what makes games FUN you think everyone sits at their computers like hundu cows? surrounded by glass bowls full of pebbles and fake long-grass? no.
You're very close to the truth actually. There was a lawsuit in some Asian country a while back about Ultima Online. The company removed certain items from the game all together, although they replace them with "equal value" the players were ticked off about the nerfed equipment. The player SUED THE COMPANY and believe it or not, HE WON. They ruled that the online items constituted real world value and had to be returned. It's insane, but the rulings we get here in the US can be worse. (Suing tobacco companies for cancer......duh) So, it's a borderline thing right now, and I'm sure the loss of a couple of years of work in EVE could push someone to suicide if it was all they had left. Some people don't get as attached as others, and some people just have nothing else in life but games. (I'm close ) Just a thought for you, although I think it's not that serious, to someone else, you could be destroying thier life. Chew on that next time you plan a scam or a corp theft.
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:25:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Boliknar on 23/03/2007 20:23:26
Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.
thats your professional medical oppinion is it?
its a GAME one in which you can be a bad ass if you so choose, it is in no way a reflection of a persons mental issues. Granted in some cases it is, but in most no, its just a play style get a grip! its like saying in CS:Source someone has mental problems if they play the terrorist side, and yes ive seen that opinnion banded about in CS, or that anyone that plays an animal race in fantasy MMOs is a furry or a yiffie, it doesnt make sense.
To the OP, sorry for your loss, but you should look after your corp assets more carefully, a corp is a business, its hard work to keep it safe, but the extra measures are worth it, and hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson :)
I point you to your favorite search engine...now search for psychological studies on game playing. You will find the vast majority of them state that in fact alot of insight can be gained from obvserving the way a person plays games. Take that as you will...but it really intresting to read.
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:46:00 -
[85]
Is which i stand by my original post. If theres an asswhole in you, EVE will make it worse lol.
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Crinos Childflayer
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:58:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Is which i stand by my original post. If theres an asswhole in you, EVE will make it worse lol.
*Raises his hand*
Seriously though, if not for the risk of death & loss of the comfortable American lifestyle, I'd be in the Carribean on a gunboat with a bunch of guys carrying AK's. I'd be directing the hijacking, and subsequent robbery, of cruiseships full of fat American buisnessmen and thier trophy wives. I can't even imagine the amount of loot you could get from a whole ship of richies. But of course, not gonna do that now, too much trouble.
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"The childrens are so much crunchier if you suck all the meat off the outside first!"
-Crinos, The Chosen of Chaos |
Ezoran DuBlaidd
Minmatar
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:32:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Crinos Childflayer
You're very close to the truth actually. There was a lawsuit in some Asian country a while back about Ultima Online. The company removed certain items from the game all together, although they replace them with "equal value" the players were ticked off about the nerfed equipment. The player SUED THE COMPANY and believe it or not, HE WON. They ruled that the online items constituted real world value and had to be returned. It's insane, but the rulings we get here in the US can be worse. (Suing tobacco companies for cancer......duh) So, it's a borderline thing right now, and I'm sure the loss of a couple of years of work in EVE could push someone to suicide if it was all they had left. Some people don't get as attached as others, and some people just have nothing else in life but games. (I'm close ) Just a thought for you, although I think it's not that serious, to someone else, you could be destroying thier life. Chew on that next time you plan a scam or a corp theft.
from the guy that was just recently bragging about his recent scam. same guy that was incredibly irked because he only got a couple million from it and most people laughed about it... i'm really not sure what to make of this.
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Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:36:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Sun Win on 25/03/2007 23:35:51
Originally by: Jain Za
Guys - i appreciate the sentiments but really, lets keep this civilised. In no way do i wish anyone harm in RL over an incident that happened in a game, thats just silly talk.
++ Points for this. A good and healthy attitude to bring to the game. Part of what makes Eve so great is that when you do lose things, it DOES hurt. But then you triumph over the adversity and move on and the whole thing is a lot of fun. Good on you for getting that it's all a game.
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Daqinson
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.01 16:03:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
stress is what makes games FUN you think everyone sits at their computers like hundu cows? surrounded by glass bowls full of pebbles and fake long-grass? no.
WOW! This guy hit it right on the head.... HUNDU COWS! revelations...
Not to mention that the pebbles and long grass are characteristic of Mainland China/ Northern Japan, rather than India... Just food for thought since you probably have not taken a civ class in your middle school yet :) |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:23:00 -
[90]
And thats why we all love Daq!! Said like a good Hundu man. :)
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