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RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.04 23:08:51 -
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While I like the Porpoise and its stats and the fact that it is allowed into frigate size wh space the one complaint I have is...
Did you really have to reuse the noctis model? I was kinda hoping for a new hull but oh well... |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.13 23:57:33 -
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HOLY HEK!
So uh. whats with all the shiny little lights moving around the porpoise hull?
i also noticed the lights on the orca and rorqual as well! also THERE IS A TON OF DIFRENT SKINS FOR EM. like minmatar/amarr/gallente/caldari as well as skins for all of the pirate factions! and they are all called (industry livery skin)whats up with that??? |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.15 01:34:54 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Rain6637 wrote:There is a distinction to be made here. The Noctis hull is cool. Salvage is an important gameplay mechanic and in the right situations it brings in a lot of ISK. The look of the Noctis has always fit its role.
With the upcoming expansion there are very nice, awesome, amazing additions to the game like Industrial complexes, and leadership boosting is also undergoing a fundamental change. The small mining booster ship is also completely new.
The Noctis hull is cool, but reusing it for this occasion of A Bunch Of Cool Things seems underwhelming.
What's in a ship model, though. Right? It's only the most identifiable object that represents the player's existence in the game. When this is a new expansion and a new ship, does it feel completely right that your super cool new game piece is basically a Player B outfit Okay, should they put off the mining revamp until they have another ship model done? It's not even like the Porpoise is a terribly important ship either, it's a newbie-friendly mining booster. Most older players will use an Orca or Rorqual. I do belive you are missing one important aspect of the porpoise. the fact that it can pass trough frigate only wormholes. imagine a battlecruiser like ship in a wormhole where only frigates should be allowed. with powered up drones to take on any small frigate gangs that might apear to try and gank some endurances or prospects. and if you have 3 you could spider tank a little thanks to the porpoises enhanced remote shield bonuses. people will think twice about attacking a well prepared wormhole mining fleet lol. altough i guess bombers might be a bit of a problem... but hey. there needs to be a paper for your rock somewhere lol |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.16 16:04:49 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:This ship looks interesting, and will definitely be an asset for low sec / WH ice miners (yes they do exist!).
But what's the minimum fleet size to make a Porpoise worthwhile (e.g. 2 Endurances + a Porpoise vs 3 Endurances: which would be better?).
edit: looking at the "COMMAND BURSTS AND THE NEW WORLD OF FLEET BOOSTING" dev blog, it shows that a "Mining Laser Optimization" command burst will reduce the cycle of a ice harvester (or laser?) by up to 57%. So this is more than half. Basically an Endurance + Porpoise is better than two Endurances?
Id say 1 porpois and then 1 endurance/prospect atleast. you need tor emember that the porpoise got boosted attack drones and mining drones., while not as good as an orca they will ahve around the same mining ability as a barge. wich beats the yield of any mining frigate lol. and they can also fight back against hostile frigates that will show up in the frigate only wormholes. and heck if you bring mutiple ones you can spdier tank them. they do have remote shield booster range bonuses. |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.16 16:07:23 -
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Thomas Lot wrote:I am reposting this in the feedback thread. I posted it earlier in the 'Ships/Modules' thread as well.
I am working in nul under a fully boosted rorqual system. Using a Prospect with T2 mining crystals and max skills. I am pulling very close to 2500 m3/min ore. In the dev blog covering the introduction of the mining boost changes, the Porpoise is said to be able to achieve comparable mining rate of a mining barge. Maybe the developers are referring to a raw, unboosted mining barge with no Orca or Rorqual support.
This is not really a fair comparison. The mining drones are not going to be affected by the boost mechanics and therefore will only achieve about half the mining rate of a mining barge under boosted operations. Factor in the pitifully slow movement of mining drones and that number decreases to as much as a fourth of the yield of a barge.
Many dedicated miners may be very disappointed with this aspect of the Ascension mining mechanic.
I dont think your using it the right way here. its main usage is the fact that it can access frigate only wormholes. and it costs the same as a battlecruiser to build. making it exelent for new players who want to boost in highsec and cant afford an orca. and again. in frigate only wormholes its the only one that can give boosts to a fleet as well as bring logi to the fleet. the area it will truly shine is wormhole space. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.18 20:04:09 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:I honestly don't see the porpoise.
The Porpoise is to have a cheap ship for new people to use as well as haveing a ship that can enter frigate only wormhole space and help lead mining ops.
I think thats a good enough porpoise seing as wormholers have been beging for a ship that can enter frigate only wormholes to boost endurances and prospects during mining ops. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.20 22:58:12 -
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Je'ron wrote:Apparently CCP is still not sure what to make off this ship. On Sisi you can find it on the market under Ships /Captial ships /Capital Industrial Ships / ORE.
Very strange. If one would consider it a sub cap Command ship, it should be a T2 and place it as Ships / Industrial ships /Advanced Industrial ships /Command ships / ORE they ahvent even started developing its stats yet dude. it litteraly ahve the same stats and slot layout as the Noctis. hopefully next week they will start puting in all of the mining command ship changes. but until then we wait lol |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.11.10 15:31:44 -
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Raw Matters wrote:As much as I like the idea of a mini-Orca, I don't see much of a role for this ship. The Orca is far superior in every way except for the price-tag, but nowadays everyone can just insert 20Gé¼ to get enough money for an Orca + fitting in no time, so that is just another incentive to buy a Plex. Essentially this leaves the Porpoise with no Purpose (haha, the pun!), similar to what the old T1 frigates were like: you use them if you lack the (RL-)money.
This ship needs a more defined role if you want to see people flying it, and there are enough roles still open. My favorite would be to reduce the dps and give it a covert ops instead, which would be just the perfect addition for the cloaky miner ships we got earlier. Or at least some bonus to cloaking like the black ops get, but then I wouldn't know how to maneuver this thing through 0.0 with that align time. Also upping the cargo to 1000m-¦ would be a good thing to have, so that the player has at least the option to fit in some expanded cargo holds.
Essentially the ship as it is right now is a nice first try, but it won't find much use.
Lol. this thing is the perfect thing to use in wormhole space. it can enter frigate only wormholes, so you can bring 2-3 into a frig only shattered wormhole with some endurance/prospects and have accual mining ops. and because it is so cheap it can be brought into fleet low sec ops where a loss wouldent be a devastating 800m isk loss and instead just a 50-60m isk loss. its purpoise (i can pun to!) is to be a cheaper ship than the orca and being a good entry point for new players who want to learn about fleet boosting. and also having frig only wormhole access. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.11.10 16:20:51 -
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Raw Matters wrote:RainReaper wrote:Lol. this thing is the perfect thing to use in wormhole space. it can enter frigate only wormholes, so you can bring 2-3 into a frig only shattered wormhole with some endurance/prospects and have accual mining ops. and because it is so cheap it can be brought into fleet low sec ops where a loss wouldent be a devastating 800m isk loss and instead just a 50-60m isk loss. its purpoise (i can pun to!) is to be a cheaper ship than the orca and being a good entry point for new players who want to learn about fleet boosting. and also having frig only wormhole access. If the best thing about it is that it's explosion isn't so expensive, then it is not that much of a good ship. Yes you can push that into a C1 WH, but that's hardly worth the risk considering the low amount of ore you can find there. As soon as ore gets into reasonable levels of quantity you can already push an Orca through. Since the Porpoise can only hold the content of 2 retrievers, while the orca can hold about 10 retrievers worth of cargo, you in all cases want the Orca for most mining missions. Otherwise you will have to have a ship hauling ore back and forth, and then things get annoying and complicated. Also the Orca can store combat ships in case you get attacked, while the Portoise cannot. Aside from WH space however the use-case of the Porpoise once again boils down to "cheap enough to loose it", which is barely a reason to use it. Now add a CovOps into that and suddenly this ship becomes a lot more useful, because once reds warp in, you can instantly hit the cloak button and then warp away to safety. If you don't have any cloak bonus the reds know where you are, trying to crawl away at 20 m/s, and the ship becomes a guaranteed loss. If I had to plan a mining ops and would have to choose between a guaranteed 50m isk loss in case of an attack, that can't even hold enough ore to cover that loss on it's own, or a ship that is a lot more expensive but also durable and allows my miners to switch to combat ships and comes with 5 times the cargo... Well chances are good that I pick the Orca.
Att this point its down to opinions i guess. you say the porpoise isent good. i personaly see that it have worth in its roles of being cheap and being able to enter frig only wormholes and i think im not the only one who thinks that.
but yes if you cant see a reason to use one then you dont have a reason to use it lol. it wasent made for the ones who wont use it but rather the ones that will use it. |
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