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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.04 13:55:37 -
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Hey folks! This will be the specific feedback thread for the new Porpoise-class Industrial Command Ship coming this November. You can check out the dev blog here for the whole context. Other feedback threads are available for the Orca, Rorqual, and the mining foreman gameplay as a whole.
The Porpoise is the new Industrial Command Ship being added in our November expansion. It is intended to fill the cheaper and more mobile slot in the mining foreman ship progression path. Despite its low cost, the Porpoise is more than capable of fulfilling all three mining foreman pillars.
PORPOISE Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to ship cargo capacity and ore hold 2% bonus to Mining Foreman Burst Strength and Duration 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield -10% reduction in drone ice harvesting cycle time Role bonus: 50% bonus to drone mining yield 400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range 90% reduction in powergrid requirements for Mining Foreman Burst modules 90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue Can fit two Command Burst modules 100% bonus to Tractor Beam range 50% bonus to Tractor Beam velocity 300% bonus to Survey Scanner range
Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 2L Fittings: 420 PWG, 350 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6000 / 3000 / 8000 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 35 / 10 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 3500 / 875s / 4 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 100 / 1.5 / 4,500,000 / 9.36s Warp Speed: 2.7 au/s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 125 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 90 / 5 Sensor strength: 20 Magnetometric Signature radius: 300 Cargo Hold: 500m3 Ore Hold: 50,000m3 Fleet Hangar: 5000m3
Cost: ~50-60m isk Max Mining Yield: ~980m3 per minute + drone travel time Max DPS: ~400 dps
Let us know what you think!
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.04 13:55:48 -
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Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
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Geoffrey Boothroyd
The State Guard
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:41:35 -
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Waitasec.
There's a reduction to Ice Cycle time for teh drones?
So mining drones are going to be usable on Ice?
Also: What about mission miners? Having a command ship IN a mission.... almost better to have another mining ship
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:42:17 -
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Looks nice. Makes me think that I'll get one for my industry-alt even though her one-man company probably won't get much use out of it.
But you really nailed the aesthetics with this ship. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:44:52 -
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How about the industry information, is this an inventable T2 from the Noctis, or a T1 hull with its own BPO?
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:45:23 -
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Geoffrey Boothroyd wrote:Waitasec.
There's a reduction to Ice Cycle time for teh drones?
So mining drones are going to be usable on Ice?
Also: What about mission miners? Having a command ship IN a mission.... almost better to have another mining ship
We get tons of new drones, my friend. You really should read the dev blog. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14486
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:46:26 -
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Ydnari wrote:How about the industry information, is this an inventable T2 from the Noctis, or a T1 hull with its own BPO? T1 hull with a BPO sold by ORE.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
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Leeloo Killik
Everyone vs Everything THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:50:20 -
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Does Orca have a better mining output than a barge? Will we see Orcas being used as a default high sec mining plafrorm? |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory Peoples United Republic Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:50:34 -
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i want to be first to lose one. but yes the stats are seem ok. but why not let it fit mining lasers? |
Kismeteer
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:52:00 -
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What will be the skills to fly this ship, how many days is it expected to take to train a character to get in and then fly it well? |
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Jack Haakaari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:52:05 -
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Will we get Drone Mining Amplifiers like the Drone Damage Amps?
Is Industrial Command I the only skill it needs?
What would it's mining output be compared to a basic barge? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Tactical-Retreat
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Posted - 2016.10.04 17:54:29 -
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I like this. I looks like a noctis, but its tank sure isn't the same!
It's more expensive and way more skill intensive than a Procurer, but I could see some people chosing this as a "half bling" option between a Procurer and a Skiff. Don't know if it's intended or not, but I don't see this being bad tbh.
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Icarus Narcissus
Pathway to the Next
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:29:05 -
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I would love to see gas mining drones -- especially for this ship in wormhole space.
I think they'd see a lot more use here than on Orcas/Rorquals thanks to their low mass. |
Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:34:23 -
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10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield 50Mb bandwidth, 125m3 drone bay.
:notbad:
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Sal Askiras
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:34:42 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Ydnari wrote:How about the industry information, is this an inventable T2 from the Noctis, or a T1 hull with its own BPO? T1 hull with a BPO sold by ORE. Any hints on price of BPO? |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:35:39 -
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Nice, but I think it needs to be able to fit a smarter version of smartbombs, instead of drone bonuses. The smarter smartbombs should only hit targets which are red to you, and thus usable in high sec.
The primary killers of mining ships are player ganks, which usually rely on close range, high alpha damage, no tank, cheap ships - and typically more than one of them, operating in a coordinated attack. The battle is usually over in less than 15 seconds, with little time to respond by the defending miner. Thus, the nature of a gank attack does not lend itself well to being defended against by drones. Smartbombs would be a better defense, if made more safely usable in high sec. |
Althalus Stenory
Flying Blacksmiths
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:37:42 -
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still that ugly hull ... in game since the primae, but still as ugly as always...
Tell the designers with spare time (as they did for intys and frigs...) to redesign it please! ^^
Anyway, the bonus look good, i'm waiting to see some on killboard :p |
Joten Koldani
Alcoholocaust. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:43:02 -
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But can it mine gas? |
Atan Auden
Gallasen Order Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2016.10.04 18:56:27 -
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Please change the hull design it looks ugly and are you ccp so poor so you cant make a good looking new design for that ship.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:05:26 -
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Admit it....it's a rebadged Noctis =ƒÿë
Stats look good though...
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:08:36 -
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what is the reason you would use a barge over this ship?
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:09:14 -
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Again you've missed the mark CCP by nerfing the fitting options. If this thing is a BC (Which it's raw hull EHP suggests) it should have a slot layout something like 7/6/4. Even if it is considered a cruiser for fitting and a BC for handling because of industry it should still have 5/5/4. It should have some built in weapon options for the highs, unbonused of course but that's fine, 3/4 turret/launcher hardpoints. And it's PG/CPU should be more around 1250/500. So it can actually fit things like Prop mods.
Also it will never have the cap to actually use Shield Transfers for more than about 15-30 seconds. It might have very slightly more cap than an osprey, but 1/4 the recharge speed. It also has no bonuses to cap use (Compared to -25%), no bonus to amount repped (Compared to +200%), and no fall off bonuses (Compared to 430% falloff bonuses).
You need to stop treating industrial vessels as a second class line of ships and give them actual fittings comparable to other ships of their size, otherwise miners will continue to feel targeted and players will continue to treat them as second class citizens since you make them so.
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Samsara Nolte
Random Thinking Union Random Thinking
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:10:35 -
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As was asked before -
Is the Porpoise able to fit gas harvester ? - it has 4 High Slots but it is nowhere to find if those highslot-¦s are turret slots. This is a really important question, because wormholer usually are mining more gas than ore and if this ship has to be on grid to boost but can-¦t mine gas it is not totally usesless but it comes close. pretty much the same argument regarding the Rorqual can be used here for gas mining ... it has to be worth it to place on grid. Not done my math but if it can-¦t mine there probably have to be around 5+ ships able to gas harvest before it is rewarding to use this ship ... and since it will be a lot easier to catch than ventures and prospects there has to be a reason to do so.
Oh - and why aren-¦t there any drones to mine gas ? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3621
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:12:18 -
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Bienator II wrote:what is the reason you would use a barge over this ship? Volume mined. |
Jack Haakaari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:13:54 -
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Joten Koldani wrote:But can it mine gas?
gas mining command ship would bejavascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');} fun |
Allan 'Gopher' Green
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:27:36 -
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Fleet Hangar: 5000m3
I feel this is a bit small, as even the smallest barge hold can hold 12,000m3. it will be a continuous chore to keep moving ore out of the fleet hangar, with the fleet queuing up trying to dump their ore( only 2 barges will stress the 5,000 limit). I think 20,000m3 would be more suited, without over doing it ( still 50% of pre update Orca). |
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:52:06 -
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I like the look. I've always been a fan of the industrial-looking Noctis though.
Icarus Narcissus wrote:I would love to see gas mining drones -- especially for this ship in wormhole space.
I think they'd see a lot more use here than on Orcas/Rorquals thanks to their low mass.
Yes. This would be excellent. Add another skill tree like the ice drones.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3624
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:53:41 -
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Allan 'Gopher' Green wrote:Fleet Hangar: 5000m3
I feel this is a bit small, as even the smallest barge hold can hold 12,000m3. it will be a continuous chore to keep moving ore out of the fleet hangar, with the fleet queuing up trying to dump their ore( only 2 barges will stress the 5,000 limit). I think 20,000m3 would be more suited, without over doing it ( still 50% of pre update Orca). If you are running a significant number of barges the orca is actually the tool you want. The Porpoise is more suited to working with a small fleet of ventures. |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.10.04 19:57:29 -
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Ore hold on the Porpoise is 50,000 M3 per the devblog same as the current Orca.
Cargo Hold: 500 m3 Ore Hold: 50,000 m3 Fleet Hangar: 5,000 m3
This seems reasonable for a small mining op where you can easily fly to a Station/Citadel and unload. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3231
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Posted - 2016.10.04 20:06:15 -
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i think 980 m/3 a min is a bit high that puts it right next to a proc but with a huge hold. I don't see why i would use a proc or a ret when i could just use this
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