I do belive you are missing one important aspect of the porpoise. the fact that it can pass trough frigate only wormholes. imagine a battlecruiser like ship in a wormhole where only frigates should be allowed. with powered up drones to take on any small frigate gangs that might apear to try and gank some endurances or prospects. and if you have 3 you could spider tank a little thanks to the porpoises enhanced remote shield bonuses. people will think twice about attacking a well prepared wormhole mining fleet lol.
altough i guess bombers might be a bit of a problem... but hey. there needs to be a paper for your rock somewhere lol

so yeah for new players you got a cheap highsec mining op boosting ship and for the veterans we got a ship that can be used to harvest frigate only wormholes of their sweet ABC ore :p

Heck, remember the Prospect can fit fleet boosts also, it might not get bonuses to them but it can fit them. So you can take a combat booster through frigate WH's.

That's what Command Destroyers are for.

It's not like over sized ships fitting through wormholes too small for their class doesn't have precedent. The Nestor is the only Battleship that can enter a C1 and Interdictors have been squeezing through Frigate sized wormhole since they spawned. No point getting bogged down in the details.

As it stands, it makes for a useful booster/hauler to navigate those small apertures and is sorely needed in W-Space in particular.

In fact, if you are smart with your fitting, you can even squeeze Heavy Interdictors through frigate-sized holes.

Okay, should they put off the mining revamp until they have another ship model done?

It's not even like the Porpoise is a terribly important ship either, it's a newbie-friendly mining booster. Most older players will use an Orca or Rorqual.

You must know I meant Heavy Interdictors, surely?

The porpoise is on the test server and it's significantly gimped compared to what was advertised.

25m3 drone hold, 25m3 bandwidth

3k structure
2k armor
1.7k shields.

Gonna be useless with such low EHP.

Hopefully it's just code copied from the noctis and the stats arn't updated yet. I'm thinking so

Fit anchors on mining command ships!

This ship looks interesting, and will definitely be an asset for low sec / WH ice miners (yes they do exist!).

But what's the minimum fleet size to make a Porpoise worthwhile (e.g. 2 Endurances + a Porpoise vs 3 Endurances: which would be better?).

edit: looking at the "COMMAND BURSTS AND THE NEW WORLD OF FLEET BOOSTING" dev blog, it shows that a "Mining Laser Optimization" command burst will reduce the cycle of a ice harvester (or laser?) by up to 57%. So this is more than half. Basically an Endurance + Porpoise is better than two Endurances?

I am reposting this in the feedback thread. I posted it earlier in the 'Ships/Modules' thread as well.


I am working in nul under a fully boosted rorqual system. Using a Prospect with T2 mining crystals and max skills. I am pulling very close to 2500 m3/min ore. In the dev blog covering the introduction of the mining boost changes, the Porpoise is said to be able to achieve comparable mining rate of a mining barge. Maybe the developers are referring to a raw, unboosted mining barge with no Orca or Rorqual support.

This is not really a fair comparison. The mining drones are not going to be affected by the boost mechanics and therefore will only achieve about half the mining rate of a mining barge under boosted operations. Factor in the pitifully slow movement of mining drones and that number decreases to as much as a fourth of the yield of a barge.

Many dedicated miners may be very disappointed with this aspect of the Ascension mining mechanic.

Which is precisely why I've suggested allowing the Orca (but not the Porpoise) to use the Industrial Cores, with slight modifications to their effects (half or less fuel usage, burst strength bonus and drone bonuses).

IMO the Porpoise is tailor made for mobile roaming ops (lowsec or with mining frigates), fill-and-go ops and low end operators without the skill to use the Orca. Using an Orca IMO means you've got a hauler alt available so the Orca can stay on station with the miners.

If that's your only reason for letting them use the Core then what you actually want is some kind of active anchor module that lets the ship become basically bump immune while it's cycling. No need to mess with the balance of the ships by giving it bonuses on top of that.

Would be suitable, although I'm sure someone will be along to explain how it could be exploited.

I honestly don't see the porpoise.

I honestly don't see the porpoise.

4 medium and 2 low slots.

Is meant to do industry.

Okay look, this thing will be suicide ganked. Easily. Often. It needs far better options for defenses than this, I'd say 4/4/5 at the very least, because if anything will be coming for your minion ops, a pack if kids with disposable alts in Alpha-fit T1 dessies will, and that 'fight' will be over in 10 seconds of less and CONCORD won't save you. If you want mining ops to be defended better, kindly DEFEND THEM BETTER, don't just SAY you will then give the gank-happy folks out there more targets to salivate over.

I would strongly recommend that it is necessary to lower the skill requirement for porpoise.

Currently It is just a cheaper alternative to Orca with reasonable deduction of bonus effect. But I personally don't see it make too much sense. Just thinking about that, you are leading a mining fleet, your team members want to have a better bonus. And you are making suggestion or even decision of the choice between Orca and porpoise. You will tell them these two ships have the same skill requirements. So the only difference is the price-benefit comparison. I personally believe it is a good idea to raise some money by all team members to have an Orca because of its better performance in the long run. An Orca is not really too expensive for a corporation. For example, for a tiny mining corp with 5 high sec miners who plays about 4 hours per day (probably underestimated), on Plagioclase, they can make a profit around 6 m ISK per 30 minutes- person * 5 person * 2 * 24 = 1440000000 ISK per day.

Therefore, I would like to see it also serves as the term of entry-level skill for mining leadership.

How about remove the requirement of Industrial Command ship and put it down to ORE industry ship? Then players will have a step-by-step progression line.

4 medium and 2 low slots.

Is meant to do industry.

Okay look, this thing will be suicide ganked. Easily. Often. It needs far better options for defenses than this, I'd say 4/4/5 at the very least, because if anything will be coming for your minion ops, a pack if kids with disposable alts in Alpha-fit T1 dessies will, and that 'fight' will be over in 10 seconds of less and CONCORD won't save you. If you want mining ops to be defended better, kindly DEFEND THEM BETTER, don't just SAY you will then give the gank-happy folks out there more targets to salivate over.

I would strongly recommend that it is necessary to lower the skill requirement for porpoise.

Currently It is just a cheaper alternative to Orca with reasonable deduction of bonus effect. But I personally don't see it make too much sense. Just thinking about that, you are leading a mining fleet, your team members want to have a better bonus. And you are making suggestion or even decision of the choice between Orca and porpoise. You will tell them these two ships have the same skill requirements. So the only difference is the price-benefit comparison. I personally believe it is a good idea to raise some money by all team members to have an Orca because of its better performance in the long run. An Orca is not really too expensive for a corporation. For example, for a tiny mining corp with 5 high sec miners who plays about 4 hours per day (probably underestimated), on Plagioclase, they can make a profit around 6 m ISK per 30 minutes- person * 5 person * 2 * 24 = 1440000000 ISK per day.

Therefore, I would like to see it also serves as the term of entry-level skill for mining leadership.

How about remove the requirement of Industrial Command ship and put it down to ORE industry ship? Then players will have a step-by-step progression line.