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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Radras on 22/03/2007 10:43:37
Edited by: Radras on 22/03/2007 10:42:32
Have access to lvl 4's and an industry alt that is deactivated, i need to make a clean 150m within a week to activate him.
Don't have 0.0 acess
All pvp skills with mining 3.
Acess to lvl 4's with main and salvage from said missions and a good corp
Also once i get him activated whats a good way to make money for pvp.
Basically running lvl 4's isnt payin the bills i only make about 5-7 mill a night maybe 10, i have alot of salvage parts and don't know what to do with them
Im terrible at playing the market too :(
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:46:00 -
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0.0
Don't say you don't have it, it's not some kind of WoW expansion.
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
0.0
Don't say you don't have it, it's not some kind of WoW expansion.
I'm saying by going to 0.0 id probably either a) get ganked b) get ganked or c) get ganked.
Ive had bad experiences with trying to make money in 0.0 outside of your alliances space.
If you have pointers on this i wouldn't turn them down.
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar
Doomcraft
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:51:00 -
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L4 missions.. killmissions work quite nice.. and once you get your industry alt reactivated, get him a L4 haul agent, by doing like, 3 missions a day with him (note, haul agents have a 5-10% chance to give killmissions.. so you'll have to decline those) you'll get an implant a week... 4 weeks, 4 implants.. means you'll make around 100m from 'cheap sales' on implants.
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Xaroth Brook
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xaroth Brook
L4 missions.. killmissions work quite nice.. and once you get your industry alt reactivated, get him a L4 haul agent, by doing like, 3 missions a day with him (note, haul agents have a 5-10% chance to give killmissions.. so you'll have to decline those) you'll get an implant a week... 4 weeks, 4 implants.. means you'll make around 100m from 'cheap sales' on implants.
See thats the thing, i have a scewed vision of how much money i should be making.
I do lvl 4 kill missions but im not sure if the 10m i make a night is good or bad, i think its bad it sure won't let me activate my alt and pvp at this rate which is my problem atm.
Kind of at a catch 22 the alt can make tons of money but i need money to play him.
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar
Doomcraft
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:56:00 -
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the thing is, if you can make 10m a day, you only need to mission 2 weeks a month to get your alt 'active'.. from that point on you can do semi-afk hauling missions with your alt (set destination + autopilot = win) to let him earn money for himself, while you go on about your own business on your main... then at the end of the month you just check what kind of funds your alt still needs, and you do a few more missions on your main to keep him alive.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:59:00 -
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get yourself an interceptor and head to a 0.0 npc region of your choice (off-hours or short before/after downtime recommended) - preferable taranis for serpentis/crusader for sanshas/bloodraiders ... you can also take an AF - but they are imho a bit too sluggish for ninja NPCing in hostile terretory.
look for a mediocre hunting system - you want a mix of BCs and low-end BS spawns.
use a nearby NPC station as stagging point. fit your ship to a NPC fit (which will likely be with AB) and head during quiet times to your hunting system of choice. also have a small secure-can with ammo in your cargohold (if you fly amarr - also use a can .. it's not only for ammo) ... anchor this can on a safespot in your hunting system.
chain the spawns. if you find some nice loot (the isk/m¦ is important in this case) bring it to the can. when the can is full and you want to bring the loot back to the station you can leeroy with the AB fitted ceptor to it ... or you can play it safe - fly to the station only the cheap stuff in cargo and switch to an MWD fitting and return to the can and bring it back to station.
in my experience you can make 6-10mio isk per hour in bounties and depending on luck also the same amount of isk with loot.
it's not that uber isk generation like a -1.0 system where you chain the NPCs with a raven. but it's so safe that it's already laughable, as ganksquads will have a hard time to surprise you in the belt. 
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Kehmor
Caldari
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:06:00 -
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you must really suck if you can't make that sorta isk from level 4's.
The fact that you think you can't go into 0.0 just proves this, all it requires is a bit of thought. Some people swear by being careful aswell but pfft.
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Radras on 22/03/2007 11:09:20
Edited by: Radras on 22/03/2007 11:08:29
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
get yourself an interceptor and head to a 0.0 npc region of your choice (off-hours or short before/after downtime recommended) - preferable taranis for serpentis/crusader for sanshas/bloodraiders ... you can also take an AF - but they are imho a bit too sluggish for ninja NPCing in hostile terretory.
look for a mediocre hunting system - you want a mix of BCs and low-end BS spawns.
use a nearby NPC station as stagging point. fit your ship to a NPC fit (which will likely be with AB) and head during quiet times to your hunting system of choice. also have a small secure-can with ammo in your cargohold (if you fly amarr - also use a can .. it's not only for ammo) ... anchor this can on a safespot in your hunting system.
chain the spawns. if you find some nice loot (the isk/m¦ is important in this case) bring it to the can. when the can is full and you want to bring the loot back to the station you can leeroy with the AB fitted ceptor to it ... or you can play it safe - fly to the station only the cheap stuff in cargo and switch to an MWD fitting and return to the can and bring it back to station.
in my experience you can make 6-10mio isk per hour in bounties and depending on luck also the same amount of isk with loot.
it's not that uber isk generation like a -1.0 system where you chain the NPCs with a raven. but it's so safe that it's already laughable, as ganksquads will have a hard time to surprise you in the belt.
Awsome info ill have to try this in an enyo as i don't have evasive man V atm. How do you suggest finding these systems? wouldnt most 0.0 lack a station unless i was in the busy NPC regions?
Id imagine just use the map for current activity etc.
Also what is chaining spawns? ive heard this a lot but never bothered to ask.
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
you must really suck if you can't make that sorta isk from level 4's.
The fact that you think you can't go into 0.0 just proves this, all it requires is a bit of thought. Some people swear by being careful aswell but pfft.
Explain?
Running a lvl 4 goes as follows.
get mission.
Get in begin to kill collecting mediocre bounties etc etc etc.
bookmark each room.
Finish mission.
Hand in for reward
Warp back in salvage loot ship
Loot from lvl 4's is a joke
I haven't sold the salvage parts because i don't know what to do with them really.
What am i missing?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Radras
Originally by: Crumplecorn
0.0
Don't say you don't have it, it's not some kind of WoW expansion.
I'm saying by going to 0.0 id probably either a) get ganked b) get ganked or c) get ganked.
Ive had bad experiences with trying to make money in 0.0 outside of your alliances space.
If you have pointers on this i wouldn't turn them down.
I could tell you what I do, but tbh, you'd be better off going out there and finding what works for you. Just start small.
What I will tell you is there are plenty of empty systems out there, and even the worst chokepoints are empty sometime.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:18:00 -
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I rat in a -1.0 system... 2 patches in a row now the rats have gotten ****tier... 2 bs's in more than an hour...
Getting into 0.0 isnt hard... even low sec might make you decent money if there is a lot of belts... im not sure ratting in a ceptor will work but feel free to try it out... A decent BC can rat in 0.0 but you'll have to flee some rat spawns... alts are free so dont use em sparingly to scout 0.0... there are a lot of NPC station systems out there.. .find one with a low population in the surrounding area using the map.
Most of your troubles will be in trasport and your first week on the job... still... its where the moneys at... if you wanna mine in a cruiser that works too.. probably still make more than a retriever in empire...
If you can run level 4s (I cant... gave up and moved to 0.0) then 0.0 is easy.
The 2 main things: Move fast, learn your area, and empire -> 0.0 gates are usually camped...
Dont move with a ratting setup.. stabs or pvp... put the rat droppings on when you get there...
Use cheap ****.. .you dont need faction crap to rat in 0.0... full t1 kits and 2.5 mil sp will get you ratting no problem.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:19:00 -
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Therea re 0.0 space that are do not shoot if not red. You can go make money there. Even the ones where rating is restricted usually allow you to mine the high end ores.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
I rat in a -1.0 system... 2 patches in a row now the rats have gotten ****tier... 2 bs's in more than an hour...
Getting into 0.0 isnt hard... even low sec might make you decent money if there is a lot of belts... im not sure ratting in a ceptor will work but feel free to try it out... A decent BC can rat in 0.0 but you'll have to flee some rat spawns... alts are free so dont use em sparingly to scout 0.0... there are a lot of NPC station systems out there.. .find one with a low population in the surrounding area using the map.
Most of your troubles will be in trasport and your first week on the job... still... its where the moneys at... if you wanna mine in a cruiser that works too.. probably still make more than a retriever in empire...
If you can run level 4s (I cant... gave up and moved to 0.0) then 0.0 is easy.
The 2 main things: Move fast, learn your area, and empire -> 0.0 gates are usually camped...
Dont move with a ratting setup.. stabs or pvp... put the rat droppings on when you get there...
Use cheap ****.. .you dont need faction crap to rat in 0.0... full t1 kits and 2.5 mil sp will get you ratting no problem.
If i went to 0.0 id probably rat in a T2 blaster fitted enyo. Which at this point in time seems like the only option.
My main issue though also is i use jump clones to keep up with corp pvp. would conflict with that id think being in 0.0
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 22/03/2007 11:25:27
Originally by: Radras
Awsome info ill have to try this in an enyo as i don't have evasive man V atm. How do you suggest finding these systems? wouldnt most 0.0 lack a station unless i was in the busy NPC regions?
Id imagine just use the map for current activity etc.
Also what is chaining spawns? ive heard this a lot but never bothered to ask.
http://www.fluidorbit.co.uk/ - here you can find the security status of the systems.
well ... i made a mistake - you're not exactly chaining them (keeping one NPC alive for respawn) but kill the spawn complete. did this in a crappy -0.14 system with 15 belts or so ... as i had holidays i took two days for NPCing sessions. hunted the NPCs for 15hours or so, split over two days - made around 100mio isk in bounties, 150mio isk in loot and had 3 shadow serpentis spawns.
the most difficult thing is to find a quiet NPC region/constellation. outer ring is in my experience really quiet.
the reasons why i prefer taranis over enyo:
taranis is fast and nimble, while enyo is quite slow and sluggish
taranis has a great damage output - 3 neutrons t2 + magstab + 2 hobgoblins t2 are great ... enyo has even more damage output with 4 neutrons t2 + magstab + 1 hobgoblin t2 BUT
ratting in a taranis is also a good training for PvP as you a.) get used to fly on high-transversal approach vectors b.) get used to deploy your drones when fighting and c.) get used to scoop your drones after the fight - at a certain point you start doing this automatically - now sometimes i'm wondering when i deployed and scooped my drones in PvP as i don't think about it when doing so. 
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iudex
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:28:00 -
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Lvl 4s in empire are not that profitable anymore, the lp are only worth half as much as they were half a year ago. If you want to make really good isk, i mean really phat sums, go do missions for Guristas. It will be hard at the beginning, you will get ganked a lot till you established yourself in that area and know how to avoid being killed, and till you got the standing for lvl 4s. But then, when you have the skills and equipment to do all lvl 4s in a decent time, know how to avoid being probed&killed in missions too often, know the advantage of agent-hubs, have your lp skills trained up etc. it will be raining worm-, gila- and rattelsnakes blueprints on you and a lot of crystal implants (which are worth tons of isk). You will get much more lp than in empire for the same or equal missions - and most important: that lps will be much more worth then those in empire. You will make many billions of isk a month.
L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: Radras
Awsome info ill have to try this in an enyo as i don't have evasive man V atm. How do you suggest finding these systems? wouldnt most 0.0 lack a station unless i was in the busy NPC regions?
Id imagine just use the map for current activity etc.
Also what is chaining spawns? ive heard this a lot but never bothered to ask.
http://www.fluidorbit.co.uk/ - here you can find the security status of the systems.
well ... i made a mistake - you're not exactly chaining them (keeping one NPC alive for respawn) but kill the spawn complete. did this in a crappy -0.14 system with 15 belts or so ... as i had holidays i took two days for NPCing sessions. hunted the NPCs for 15hours or so, split over two days - made around 100mio isk in bounties, 150mio isk in loot and had 3 shadow serpentis spawns.
the most difficult thing is to find a quiet NPC region/constellation. outer ring is in my experience really quiet.
Wow youve convinced me to fit up my enyo and go try this out, one question. as i posted earlier i need to be able to jump clone around. Therefore would need a station, is it often possible to get a quiet area with a station near?
Also id imagine just making an alt on your account to scout with safespots before jumping in?
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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:29:00 -
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Get a night job and buy 30 day game time cards with it, which sell for 140-150million isk, many night jobs pay well, so you'll be getting about 300million isk per hour.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:36:00 -
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The simplest way is... leave your corp if they wont go with you... I had about 3-4 mil SP when my ceo took the plunge and pushed us all deep into 0.0
Its a hard way to learn, you will lose, a lot, and you will live off scraps and be poor... but until you put up pos's you have nothing to tie you down...
Its the best way to be honest.. it makes hard pvp'ers...
So.. join a carebear alliance in 0.0 and get them to help you move out there... or just go for it... leave your CNR in empire though... as a fallback plan :P
You'll hate it and the enemies you make but its so much more than high sec.
It's a little crowded these days... but can I suggest X-70 and J-CIJV as good choices... avoid EC-P8R unless you have good information about whats in there... and go for it! 
You'll probably get stomped by the locals but its the best I can point out off the top of my head... there are many NPC stations within about 15 jumps of high sec though... and get on your noob alt and go for a fly around one night... the belt npcs alone will make you drool.
Welcome to the better 70% of eve... high secs crap
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
Get a night job and buy 30 day game time cards with it, which sell for 140-150million isk, many night jobs pay well, so you'll be getting about 300million isk per hour.
do you understand that not everyone ive in europe or US? And in other countries, people like me with a master degree in Comp Science and 4 years of industry experience.. earn like 6-7 dollars per hour?
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
The simplest way is... leave your corp if they wont go with you... I had about 3-4 mil SP when my ceo took the plunge and pushed us all deep into 0.0
Its a hard way to learn, you will lose, a lot, and you will live off scraps and be poor... but until you put up pos's you have nothing to tie you down...
Its the best way to be honest.. it makes hard pvp'ers...
So.. join a carebear alliance in 0.0 and get them to help you move out there... or just go for it... leave your CNR in empire though... as a fallback plan :P
You'll hate it and the enemies you make but its so much more than high sec.
It's a little crowded these days... but can I suggest X-70 and J-CIJV as good choices... avoid EC-P8R unless you have good information about whats in there... and go for it!
You'll probably get stomped by the locals but its the best I can point out off the top of my head... there are many NPC stations within about 15 jumps of high sec though... and get on your noob alt and go for a fly around one night... the belt npcs alone will make you drool.
Welcome to the better 70% of eve... high secs crap
Ya corp is in a transition period right now been a lot of money making, most of them are off in 0.0 doing exploration.
i pvp a lot in 0.0 but never had to survive out there alone was always with an alliance.
Thanks alot for the great info so far guys :D
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Kitiara Armitage
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Radras
I'm saying by going to 0.0 id probably either a) get ganked b) get ganked or c) get ganked.
*is still busting up laughing* ^_^ Nice xD Sorry to hear but ROFL xD
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The Jackhammer
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Radras
Have access to lvl 4's and an industry alt that is deactivated, i need to make a clean 150m within a week to activate him.
1. Join Privateer Alliance 
2. Kill stuff 
3. Take loot and sell it 
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Joebarchuck
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:05:00 -
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The OP is quite behind. Running lvl4 missions quality 0 like I do for money gets you a good 100 million in 3 or 4 hours.
Remember that missions like Guristas Extra and World Collide will give you about 20 million in bounty 3 in rewards and a good 10 in loot + 15 in salvage.
That's about 50 million for one mission which takes about 2 hours solo.
I do not understand the OP cannot make more than 10 million in 3 hours of playing.
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Waiting impatiently for the upcoming lvl 5 missions which will have great rewards, bounties and techII loot maybe even faction items.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:18:00 -
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Buy ISK via GTC. Thats how most people do it to support PvP. I know I do. 
Proud member of Cult of War and Amarr 4tw
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Thmuses
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:26:00 -
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I'm a newbie, only doing lvl 3 now, so maybe I dont know, but, you dont sell your salvage? I sell my salvage. Theres were my mission ISK is.
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Joebarchuck
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Thmuses
I'm a newbie, only doing lvl 3 now, so maybe I dont know, but, you dont sell your salvage? I sell my salvage. Theres were my mission ISK is.
Yes, selling salvage is great money. The best is to wait until you have about 500 of each (lvl4 missions that's about 10 to 15 missions) and then go to jita to sell it.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Radras
Originally by: Crumplecorn
0.0
Don't say you don't have it, it's not some kind of WoW expansion.
I'm saying by going to 0.0 id probably either a) get ganked b) get ganked or c) get ganked.
Ive had bad experiences with trying to make money in 0.0 outside of your alliances space.
If you have pointers on this i wouldn't turn them down.
Get a fully insured battlecruiser (Myrmidon or Drake preferably), and fit with tech 1 equipment. Go to a system near 0.0 right before downtime. Enter right after downtime when the servers come back on. Find an empty system and keep an eye on local. Make safe spots. Rat. If someone enters the system you go to the safe spot, align for a gate and wait. If they warp in on you instantly warp to the gate and get out. (Alternatively you can just go to the safe spot and log out, but that is lame in my opinion.)
I used to do this in just a tanked up Thorax before I joined an 0.0 corp, and I used to do reasonably well. A battlscruiser will make it a lot more efficient though since you can take on pretty much anything in the belts.
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Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
Get a night job and buy 30 day game time cards with it, which sell for 140-150million isk, many night jobs pay well, so you'll be getting about 300million isk per hour.
This is the worst answer ever, Getting a job IRL so you can spend the money on ISK in a game is very sad indeed.
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Radras
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Posted - 2007.03.23 00:40:00 -
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So pretty much decided to head into 0.0 but having trouble locating a safe way in, seems all the pipes are camped from the looks of the map, how do you guys plot a safe way in?
IM looking for something near a station for jump clone capabilities.
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