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Cengiz Hope
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:40:00 -
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Hello guys,
I am really disappointed about corp thieves. I am the leader of a medium size corp and was stolen 2 times by persons which I trust. When I am petitioning this no one can help and no one will !! help because its part of the eve universe. This time my corp was stolen about 4 Billion ISK!!! And I cannot get help from a GM. Why? Why can a GM not get out the loggs for corp. hangars or ship maintenance arrays to find these thieves and track them down?
Maybee a GM can answer???? 2 Petitions are out and nothing heard since 3 days!!!
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:47:00 -
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corp thieves are allowed within the game. GMs won't do anything.
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Devious Dexter
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Devious Dexter on 22/03/2007 11:45:38
 Originally by: Cengiz Hope
no one can help and no one will !! help because its part of the eve universe.
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Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:59:00 -
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Why would or should they help? 
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Eric Black
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Eric Black on 22/03/2007 12:00:35
Corp theft is a part of the eve universe mate, gotta learn to live with it. Maybe you should be a lot more paranoid about who you trust in future?
Also go for a dig through the forums, youll find several instances of huge corp thefts that are almost legendary.
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Kehmor
Caldari
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:29:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:43:00 -
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corp thieves are IMO the lowest of the lowest without a doubt.
the fact alone that ANY random person can make a trial account, act like a noob, get into 1 of the billion corps that are happy to help new players.. BAM one more corp stolen from
keep the hanger secured ? alot of direct help to new players can be free access to ammount of ammo,guns basic fittings. etc. as there wont be people around to freely hand that stuff out, the new players will find themself struggling, or find themself buying stuff the corp already had in stock.
stealing ore in space is one thing, but a carrier path mostly based around people abusing the trial account system, or any simple alt, is wrong.. simply because after they had done it, they move the cash somewhere, delete the characters and you have 0 chance to ever get your revenge.
a random thief or pirate killing/stealing from you.. you can write down his name, and take back what is yours, or simply kill him. all fair game, tho with the immense ammount of money that can be made with "legally scamming" corps with only good intentions is plainly stupid
tho i do have the pleasure knowing these people have to get by with 2 braincells, and 3 or more imaginary friends
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:48:00 -
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kehmor dont be an idiot >d edit your post
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Sorted
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:48:00 -
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wheres my LOL button?. O here it is 
played the game long enough to get 4 Billion ISK and never knew about corp theft ? 
Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Darqion Zenix on 22/03/2007 12:49:04
not that editting his post makes him less of an idiot tho
and hes not saying he doesnt KNOW about it, its just stupid its legal
dont trust anyone ? WTF, what game can ever get any fun if you CANT trust a single soul. theres people waiting months before they plunder a corp, its stupid and sad.
"boohoo i lost my ship because (my internet sux) of lag, YOUR SERVERS SUCK"- ow ok.. heres a new ship
if they give back a billion dollar ship to people with crappy internet, or some other bc story, why wouldnt they refund stuff STOLEN nontheless, and even more so, why would they allow something like that, when the ONLY person benefitting from it, is the thief, and the people suffering is EVERYONE left in the corp. yea makes sence
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Major Stuart
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
wheres my LOL button?. O here it is
played the game long enough to get 4 Billion ISK and never knew about corp theft ?
Thats because your a privateer, they get loaded camping trade hubs
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:54:00 -
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Maybe you should consider not giving everyone hangar access.
And you can't fully trust someone (in eve) who's not your friend in real life.
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heheheh
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:05:00 -
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its is not CCPs fault,
you do not have to allow every player in your corp access to the hangar. You should make sure people arnt theives before letting them in.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:09:00 -
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ive had a person in corp, who was loyal, helping out, whatever comes to mind..
to have him steal most hangers clean because there was NOTHING
even close to making us think he wouldnt be a good guy
there never is a good way. ive heared people stealing and simply dumping a full hanger worth on the market at 1 isk,
and quit the game minutes after. GG you say, i say sad person
if trust cant excist, if you can build it, but it still means nothing... then it never means anything.
the fact you shouldnt trust someone, doesnt make it ok to have people clear out corp hangers. the fact an idiot talks like an idiot, wouldnt make his insulting words less banworthy, so in effect, the fact you cant trust ANYONE, shouldnt mean those peiople can do whatever they please
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:09:00 -
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Hopefully CCP hand you a ban for abusing the petition system and wasting GM's time.
Also, Kehmor please don't grief the forums like that :P
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:15:00 -
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you people start to look more and more like those f-tard WoW barrens chat people. rather funny to see how you all enjoy to see the loss of peoples hard work, but all cry when you lose a ship because you are downloading pokemon, call it lag, and DEMAND your ship back. hurray, EVEs true fact is showing...
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix
you people start to look more and more like those f-tard WoW barrens chat people. rather funny to see how you all enjoy to see the loss of peoples hard work, but all cry when you lose a ship because you are downloading pokemon, call it lag, and DEMAND your ship back. hurray, EVEs true fact is showing...
Enjoy? No, not particularly, but spamming the forums and
wasting GMs time by filing *multiple* petitions over
something that cannot be petitioned in the first place,
is never going to receive much sympathy, is it?
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:26:00 -
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not from you perhaps. tho the fact that corp theft is ok ATM
doesnt mean you should just put up with it. you could be saying
"yes, corp theft is low, tho you cant do anything about it"
would contribute more and would also show a slight sence of
sympathy, which, me personally do have
and im going to whine about people enjoying, or agreeing that corp theft is ok , whenever i see a topic about it. it doesnt
add anything to the game. theres no real ingame "fun" thing to
prevent it, or to take revenge, which IMO makes it all the more
weird that it is indeed a legal act
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heheheh
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:39:00 -
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Its part of the game, space is full of liers and cheats, just as it would be.
Protecting Corps from their own stupidity would be taking alot away from the game.
Dont trust anyone.
its a fact of life, not just EVE.
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Garrac Torus
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Garrac Torus on 22/03/2007 13:43:15
Unfortunatly this is the dark side of human nature , people do it because they know they can get away with it and not face any consequences for their actions.
Corp theft should be a bannable offence in my opinion , that would make these people think twice about doing it ,unless they were quitting the game.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:56:00 -
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corp theft doesnt add anything but frustration and dis-trust,
so not having it, wouldnt take anything away, unless you enjoy
taking stuff from people without them being able to defend
against it, without resorting to 100% hanger restrictions
it makes it harder to share things within corp, as ONE mistake
could end up costing you millions.
anyway.. its a lost fight, i know that. its just sad that
i cant share stuff with my corp freely, because im scared some
sad little kid takes all the stuff for an easy provit
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Lady Kinla
Iron Hammer Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix
corp theft doesnt add anything but frustration and dis-trust,
so not having it, wouldnt take anything away, unless you enjoy
taking stuff from people without them being able to defend
against it, without resorting to 100% hanger restrictions
it makes it harder to share things within corp, as ONE mistake
could end up costing you millions.
anyway.. its a lost fight, i know that. its just sad that
i cant share stuff with my corp freely, because im scared some
sad little kid takes all the stuff for an easy provit
Dude that's pretty much why this game is so great. You need to stfu.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:27:00 -
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So you get robbed and waste gm time by petitioning something that you surely know already is perfectly allowed in game. Eve is loved by so many because of it's freedom and it's corruption, and i love it along with many many others.
I think the appropriate thing to do now in line with other posts would be to suggest you try wow
DE
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
And you can't fully trust someone (in eve) who's not your friend in real life.
Like the Chinease guy who got stabed after stealing his real life friends ingame Sword?
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Balor Rand
Caldari
Continuum Rift
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Balor Rand on 22/03/2007 18:07:02
CCP will do nothing about corporate theft, it's part of the game. The best course of action is to review your corporation's security protocols and procedures to make needed changes. Restrict access to any valuable assets (BPOs, T2 ships, T2 modules, etc). Trust no one unless you know them in real life and/or have been gaming with them for years.
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 19:19:00 -
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You need to pick a few key people you KNOW you can trust and give them access to materials and charge them with actually handing them out to people that need them.
Its more a question about how you run things, if you just give blanket access to certain areas based on some general guideline (for example based on time spent in the corp) you will more likely than not fall victim to someone out to steal.
Check their corp history and go ask some people belonging to it what the person is like, usually if they did someone evil everyone angry with them is more than willing to spill all the dirt.
Have they issued any contracts? You can look backwards at all the contracts someone has issued. Usually people that will steal from a corp have started off with some other smaller scams.
Is your corp the first one they ever joined? These could be trial accounts or just someone new that is legit. Since you have no background to look into you must assume they are a high risk and give them access accordingly. People who are only in to steal from you are usually less willing (or completly unwilling) to do anything for the corp without immediate monetary compensation, doing something for the well being of the corp is usually not an activity a corp thief is willing to do.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.03.22 19:27:00 -
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Omg, Kehmor broked the forums.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.22 19:37:00 -
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Oh wow, I can help you with this. I'll join your corp and give me access to your hangars. Trust me. I'll put a stop to it.
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Jinar
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Posted - 2007.03.22 19:51:00 -
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While I realize that there is no consolation for the people who have lost billions to piracy and corporate thieves, I find it to be one of the draws of Eve. Before the flames start, I have been a victim of corporate theft and I have lost billions to BOB gatecamps, piracy, and theft. While it is never fun to the things you have worked so hard for, stolen or destroyed, I gurantee the guys who stole it are having fun. With that said, GM will not interfere with piracy or corp theft unless the comission of that act involved an exploit or hack
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Maximor
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.22 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Maximor on 22/03/2007 19:48:56
Had the wrong character selected, the above post by Jinar is from me
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