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Cengiz Hope	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:40:00 - [1] Hello guys, I am really disappointed about corp thieves. I am the leader of a medium size corp and was stolen 2 times by persons which I trust. When I am petitioning this no one can help and no one will !! help because its part of the eve universe. This time my corp was stolen about 4 Billion ISK!!! And I cannot get help from a GM. Why? Why can a GM not get out the loggs for corp. hangars or ship maintenance arrays to find these thieves and track them down? Maybee a GM can answer???? 2 Petitions are out and nothing heard since 3 days!!!
Lady Sabriel	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:47:00 - [2] corp thieves are allowed within the game. GMs won't do anything.
Devious Dexter	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:49:00 - [3] Edited by: Devious Dexter on 22/03/2007 11:45:38 Originally by: Cengiz Hope no one can help and no one will !! help because its part of the eve universe.
Saint Lazarus	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:59:00 - [4] Why would or should they help? :insert cool signature here:
Eric Black	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Eric Black on 22/03/2007 12:00:35 Corp theft is a part of the eve universe mate, gotta learn to live with it. Maybe you should be a lot more paranoid about who you trust in future? Also go for a dig through the forums, youll find several instances of huge corp thefts that are almost legendary.
Kehmor Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:29:00 - [6] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:43:00 - [7] corp thieves are IMO the lowest of the lowest without a doubt. the fact alone that ANY random person can make a trial account, act like a noob, get into 1 of the billion corps that are happy to help new players.. BAM one more corp stolen from keep the hanger secured ? alot of direct help to new players can be free access to ammount of ammo,guns basic fittings. etc. as there wont be people around to freely hand that stuff out, the new players will find themself struggling, or find themself buying stuff the corp already had in stock. stealing ore in space is one thing, but a carrier path mostly based around people abusing the trial account system, or any simple alt, is wrong.. simply because after they had done it, they move the cash somewhere, delete the characters and you have 0 chance to ever get your revenge. a random thief or pirate killing/stealing from you.. you can write down his name, and take back what is yours, or simply kill him. all fair game, tho with the immense ammount of money that can be made with "legally scamming" corps with only good intentions is plainly stupid tho i do have the pleasure knowing these people have to get by with 2 braincells, and 3 or more imaginary friends
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:48:00 - [8] kehmor dont be an idiot >d edit your post -- Enjoy The Silence
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:48:00 - [9] wheres my LOL button?. O here it is played the game long enough to get 4 Billion ISK and never knew about corp theft ? Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:49:00 - [10] Edited by: Darqion Zenix on 22/03/2007 12:49:04 not that editting his post makes him less of an idiot tho and hes not saying he doesnt KNOW about it, its just stupid its legal dont trust anyone ? WTF, what game can ever get any fun if you CANT trust a single soul. theres people waiting months before they plunder a corp, its stupid and sad. "boohoo i lost my ship because (my internet sux) of lag, YOUR SERVERS SUCK"- ow ok.. heres a new ship if they give back a billion dollar ship to people with crappy internet, or some other bc story, why wouldnt they refund stuff STOLEN nontheless, and even more so, why would they allow something like that, when the ONLY person benefitting from it, is the thief, and the people suffering is EVERYONE left in the corp. yea makes sence
Major Stuart Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Sorted wheres my LOL button?. O here it is played the game long enough to get 4 Billion ISK and never knew about corp theft ? Thats because your a privateer, they get loaded camping trade hubs That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:54:00 - [12] Maybe you should consider not giving everyone hangar access. And you can't fully trust someone (in eve) who's not your friend in real life.
heheheh Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:05:00 - [13] its is not CCPs fault, you do not have to allow every player in your corp access to the hangar. You should make sure people arnt theives before letting them in.
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:09:00 - [14] ive had a person in corp, who was loyal, helping out, whatever comes to mind.. to have him steal most hangers clean because there was NOTHING even close to making us think he wouldnt be a good guy there never is a good way. ive heared people stealing and simply dumping a full hanger worth on the market at 1 isk, and quit the game minutes after. GG you say, i say sad person if trust cant excist, if you can build it, but it still means nothing... then it never means anything. the fact you shouldnt trust someone, doesnt make it ok to have people clear out corp hangers. the fact an idiot talks like an idiot, wouldnt make his insulting words less banworthy, so in effect, the fact you cant trust ANYONE, shouldnt mean those peiople can do whatever they please
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:09:00 - [15] Hopefully CCP hand you a ban for abusing the petition system and wasting GM's time. Also, Kehmor please don't grief the forums like that :P
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:15:00 - [16] you people start to look more and more like those f-tard WoW barrens chat people. rather funny to see how you all enjoy to see the loss of peoples hard work, but all cry when you lose a ship because you are downloading pokemon, call it lag, and DEMAND your ship back. hurray, EVEs true fact is showing...
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Darqion Zenix you people start to look more and more like those f-tard WoW barrens chat people. rather funny to see how you all enjoy to see the loss of peoples hard work, but all cry when you lose a ship because you are downloading pokemon, call it lag, and DEMAND your ship back. hurray, EVEs true fact is showing... Enjoy? No, not particularly, but spamming the forums and wasting GMs time by filing multiple petitions over something that cannot be petitioned in the first place, is never going to receive much sympathy, is it?
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:26:00 - [18] not from you perhaps. tho the fact that corp theft is ok ATM doesnt mean you should just put up with it. you could be saying "yes, corp theft is low, tho you cant do anything about it" would contribute more and would also show a slight sence of sympathy, which, me personally do have and im going to whine about people enjoying, or agreeing that corp theft is ok , whenever i see a topic about it. it doesnt add anything to the game. theres no real ingame "fun" thing to prevent it, or to take revenge, which IMO makes it all the more weird that it is indeed a legal act
heheheh Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:39:00 - [19] Its part of the game, space is full of liers and cheats, just as it would be. Protecting Corps from their own stupidity would be taking alot away from the game. Dont trust anyone. its a fact of life, not just EVE.
Garrac Torus	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Garrac Torus on 22/03/2007 13:43:15 Unfortunatly this is the dark side of human nature , people do it because they know they can get away with it and not face any consequences for their actions. Corp theft should be a bannable offence in my opinion , that would make these people think twice about doing it ,unless they were quitting the game.
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:56:00 - [21] corp theft doesnt add anything but frustration and dis-trust, so not having it, wouldnt take anything away, unless you enjoy taking stuff from people without them being able to defend against it, without resorting to 100% hanger restrictions it makes it harder to share things within corp, as ONE mistake could end up costing you millions. anyway.. its a lost fight, i know that. its just sad that i cant share stuff with my corp freely, because im scared some sad little kid takes all the stuff for an easy provit
Lady Kinla Iron Hammer Academy	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Darqion Zenix corp theft doesnt add anything but frustration and dis-trust, so not having it, wouldnt take anything away, unless you enjoy taking stuff from people without them being able to defend against it, without resorting to 100% hanger restrictions it makes it harder to share things within corp, as ONE mistake could end up costing you millions. anyway.. its a lost fight, i know that. its just sad that i cant share stuff with my corp freely, because im scared some sad little kid takes all the stuff for an easy provit Dude that's pretty much why this game is so great. You need to stfu. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:27:00 - [23] So you get robbed and waste gm time by petitioning something that you surely know already is perfectly allowed in game. Eve is loved by so many because of it's freedom and it's corruption, and i love it along with many many others. I think the appropriate thing to do now in line with other posts would be to suggest you try wow DE
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.22 14:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Masta Killa And you can't fully trust someone (in eve) who's not your friend in real life. Like the Chinease guy who got stabed after stealing his real life friends ingame Sword? -- In Internet Explorer, You keep tabs on your browser. In Soviet Russia, browser keeps tabs on you
Balor Rand Caldari Continuum Rift	Posted - 2007.03.22 18:10:00 - [25] Edited by: Balor Rand on 22/03/2007 18:07:02 CCP will do nothing about corporate theft, it's part of the game. The best course of action is to review your corporation's security protocols and procedures to make needed changes. Restrict access to any valuable assets (BPOs, T2 ships, T2 modules, etc). Trust no one unless you know them in real life and/or have been gaming with them for years. Balor Rand
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:19:00 - [26] You need to pick a few key people you KNOW you can trust and give them access to materials and charge them with actually handing them out to people that need them. Its more a question about how you run things, if you just give blanket access to certain areas based on some general guideline (for example based on time spent in the corp) you will more likely than not fall victim to someone out to steal. Check their corp history and go ask some people belonging to it what the person is like, usually if they did someone evil everyone angry with them is more than willing to spill all the dirt. Have they issued any contracts? You can look backwards at all the contracts someone has issued. Usually people that will steal from a corp have started off with some other smaller scams. Is your corp the first one they ever joined? These could be trial accounts or just someone new that is legit. Since you have no background to look into you must assume they are a high risk and give them access accordingly. People who are only in to steal from you are usually less willing (or completly unwilling) to do anything for the corp without immediate monetary compensation, doing something for the well being of the corp is usually not an activity a corp thief is willing to do. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:27:00 - [27] Omg, Kehmor broked the forums.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:37:00 - [28] Oh wow, I can help you with this. I'll join your corp and give me access to your hangars. Trust me. I'll put a stop to it.
Jinar	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:51:00 - [29] While I realize that there is no consolation for the people who have lost billions to piracy and corporate thieves, I find it to be one of the draws of Eve. Before the flames start, I have been a victim of corporate theft and I have lost billions to BOB gatecamps, piracy, and theft. While it is never fun to the things you have worked so hard for, stolen or destroyed, I gurantee the guys who stole it are having fun. With that said, GM will not interfere with piracy or corp theft unless the comission of that act involved an exploit or hack
Maximor Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:52:00 - [30] Edited by: Maximor on 22/03/2007 19:48:56 Had the wrong character selected, the above post by Jinar is from me
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 20:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Major Stuart Originally by: Sorted wheres my LOL button?. O here it is played the game long enough to get 4 Billion ISK and never knew about corp theft ? Thats because your a privateer, they get loaded camping trade hubs What would you of posted if my sig and corp/allaince hadnt been showing? the guy should know better. 4 Billin ISK and whining on the forums as if someone exploited to get it.. Bollox Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.23 09:29:00 - [32] Obviously the corp-theft was well-deserved. // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
Sneerglaw II Amarr Metalworks	Posted - 2007.03.23 10:50:00 - [33] EVE is based around social interaction based on trust ie, IPOs, Contracts(escrows and verbal), Corp Hangers, POS's etc. If you(read CCP) take that out of EVE, where everything is set up where absolutely no trust is needed. Then it's nothing more than WOW in space. For every corp thieft you read about on forums, theres countless other corps with the exact opposite happening. It's no ones fault but the person who blindly puts trust into someone joining a corp with assets in the billions. I personally don't like corp thieves or scammers, but I will not flame them. For that is what they do and enjoy doing it. I dont know of another game where 'crime' is allowed like it is in EVE. That, in my opinion is what makes this game what it is....The freedom to do what you want, there are little to no restrictions when playing. It allows people to come up with innovative ways to make isk. I remember 3 years ago or so, IPO's were near about unheard of, when the most profitable way to make isk was mining, and who could forget Zeepo??!! The long end short of it is that the freedom of EVE is what makes it so great. And with that you get the good and the bad. So, by default if you want to get rid of the bad then you would need to take the good with it. Which isnt going to happen. We love our freedom.....and the Minmatar would love to have it
Prophet Jurah Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.23 12:31:00 - [34] Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 23/03/2007 12:30:48 Originally by: Darqion Zenix corp thieves are IMO the lowest of the lowest without a doubt. the fact alone that ANY random person can make a trial account, act like a noob, get into 1 of the billion corps that are happy to help new players.. BAM one more corp stolen from keep the hanger secured ? alot of direct help to new players can be free access to ammount of ammo,guns basic fittings. etc. as there wont be people around to freely hand that stuff out, the new players will find themself struggling, or find themself buying stuff the corp already had in stock. I don't believe in stealing from your corp. If you want to be a thief be a man about it and take it by force. None of this sissy infiltration crap. I do believe corp theft is preventable 99.9% of the time though. Keep access restricted from people you can't trust. No, there can't always be somebody around to hand this stuff out. Thats why we have contracts. You shouldn't be letting a trial account into your corp in the first place. You shouldn't be letting in anyone you don't know. Have them hang out with your corp in your public channel for a while and get to know everyone first. Apart from helping with figuring out if he is right for the corp, it also dissuades impatient corp thieves and bad actors. If you take the right precautions its nearly impossible for someone to rip you off. Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Masta Killa And you can't fully trust someone (in eve) who's not your friend in real life. Like the Chinease guy who got stabed after stealing his real life friends ingame Sword? I told people lineage kills, but nobody listened. If i had to grind that much i'd be mentaly unstable too. (well, more so anyway. It's not like i'm all that healthy in the first place)
zwerg Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.03.23 19:11:00 - [35] go play wow, im sure they will even give you back your time u spent on eve ._.
Chan Man	Posted - 2007.03.23 22:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Chan Man on 23/03/2007 22:02:39 LMAO lol, welcome to the wonderful world of Eve. about a yr ago I had accepted an app from a player that turned out to be an ore thief. Now I probably have the most stringent security setup in eve. We currently only allow access to new members after 90 days of active membership. After which they have access to the equipment hangers (only). The named items are in a seperate hanger along with the weapons ammo. They also have the ability to peek into other members hangers (not much theft risk here lol) so as to be able to return items that members may share with one another. After 9 months I''l let them have access to a very controled (quantity wise) ship hanger that only has t1 ships up to cruisers. after 1 yr they get to have access to a small library of bpc's with limited runs. Anything else of real value is kept in my second accounts hanger and is accessed by only 2 members. Myself and 1 other. This includes high end ships and named equipment as well as war supplies to be given out on an ass needed and a need to know about basis. Nobody in my corp knows about this second corps supplies. Some people might think this is too much security. lol I can only say ...it keep my stuff where its needed the most. with us.
Loril Nimith Amarr Shadowed Souls	Posted - 2007.03.24 04:04:00 - [37] I'm a yarr myself, but.. in real life, when someone scams another person, he either goes to jail or people will know him to be a scammer (well he can get away with it, but not all the time). in eve, everyone always gets away with being a scammer, and you don't even use your main char with it; you just use an unused alt for it. its far too easy to be a scammer imo. ----------------------------------------------- yarr! Its great being Amarr, ain't it?
wictro	Posted - 2007.03.24 05:25:00 - [38] Edited by: wictro on 24/03/2007 05:23:24 There should be a way to trace the thief. Or make a serious sec stat drop (to -7 or so). I've done some scams, and i have to admit, its too easy. it has absolutely _no_ risk. what can they do? war dec? hah. it would not affect anything. I rarely leave stations anyway. and i can always use alts to haul stuff ingognito. Scamming is 100% fastest, easiest and absolutely safe way top make ISK. And thats really stupid imho. But ill keep scamming as long its so easy. I dont do corp thefts tough, mostly basic contra, as its a tool making the scamming even more easier. You dont have to be fast talker/thinker to use em. Every third will take the bait, no questions asked. Also the total uselesnes of bounties makes it almost funny. I consider this state of game sad. As ISK has no meaning for me anymore, it grows on trees. And i could not make more ISK in any other way. It's like a "win eve" button. its not funny anymore. EDIT: and it seems that most people have fun only, when someone else doesen't. And they explain it with freedom.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.24 05:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Masta Killa And you can't fully trust someone (in eve) who's not your friend in real life. Like the Chinease guy who got stabed after stealing his real life friends ingame Sword? He didn't steal it, he sold it when the guy lent it to him. I believe a similar incident happened in EVE with a ship, only minus the stabbing... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
kublai Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.24 22:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Cengiz Hope Hello guys, I am really disappointed about corp thieves. I am the leader of a medium size corp and was stolen 2 times by persons which I trust. When I am petitioning this no one can help and no one will !! help because its part of the eve universe. This time my corp was stolen about 4 Billion ISK!!! And I cannot get help from a GM. Why? Why can a GM not get out the loggs for corp. hangars or ship maintenance arrays to find these thieves and track them down? Maybee a GM can answer???? 2 Petitions are out and nothing heard since 3 days!!! Rick james [Female dog]
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.03.25 00:35:00 - [41] Originally by: kublai Rick james [Female dog] ROFL my thoughts and ideas represent your corp
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.25 00:37:00 - [42] Edited by: DiuxDium on 25/03/2007 00:37:31 Originally by: Major Stuart Originally by: Sorted wheres my LOL button?. O here it is played the game long enough to get 4 Billion ISK and never knew about corp theft ? Thats because your a privateer, they get loaded camping trade hubs you're. p.s Exploiting stupid people has no risks in real life either. Real life scams happen every single day, and only one in a million carry any "risk". Just watch late night tv, you'll see tons of scams. I promise you not one of those people selling "MAEK $$$$$$$ NOW NO DOWN PAYMENT, INSTANT CASH, WOMEN, SEX, 140 INCH WANG", don't go to jail. Pinky Swear, even. Quote: Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
teth'eala Caldari Grey Scribes Inc	Posted - 2007.03.25 00:49:00 - [43] you got corptheftpwned twice? fool me twice ring a bell? lock up your hanger. it's not that hard, if somebody wants ammo or something have them ask someone with rights, your just asking to get robbed from by someone if you just open up your hanger to everyone. I would be greatly disapointed if ccp did do anything. This is one of the reasons i play, if you can't handle it, go play wow. do you have a loved one that's playing wow? give them a hug and tell tham that if they need a real mmo they can look no farther than eve
jizzmonkey	Posted - 2007.03.25 16:39:00 - [44] Edited by: **monkey on 25/03/2007 16:39:19 Edited by: **monkey on 25/03/2007 16:38:17 Corp Thief --> CCP -> What will you do against this persons??? absolutely nothing...say it again! WAR HU! ok enough of that... yes may be lame...depends if alts etc were used, but ccp are trying to make a realistic social environment, in rl people steal, but in eve, u got to police yourself :P if someone walks into my house, starts chatting, we have a cup of tea (the only civilised way to chat a proper chat) and they then pick up my tv and wander off, that man (women shall just be mocked....endlessly) will have 2 labradors and one thoroughly ****ed off stoner chasing him...my point being, locator agents can make someones eve life very hard indeed i thoroughly agree with above poster :P
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.26 00:39:00 - [45] tbh anyone complaining about how long their petition takes to get answered needs to frickin war dec ppl like this. it's because of egits like this that the petition queues are so dam long. try checking the rules before wasting gm time. really fecks me off tbh. DE
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:55:00 - [46] ccp promotes thievery and scams ingame it seems; so there's really nothing you can petition about.
Brother Funkyshades	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:09:00 - [47] i didnt read the second page, maybe it has already been mentioned: NOBODY except yourself should have full access to the real expensive stuff imho. not because of trust, but because of account hacking. the more people that are in your corp, the bigger the chance, that somebody was unlucky or dumb enough to have his account hacked. therefore: secure ur stuff.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2007.03.26 15:28:00 - [48] I run a corp and have no problems with securing hangers for various members of the corp at differing levles of access. You just need to work out how to assign roles/titles I guess; yes it is time consuming, but there is no way a new player could get access to "billions" of items in my corp Um if I had billions, but that's not the point Your Signature exceeds max allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Calamitty	Posted - 2007.03.26 19:08:00 - [49] Edited by: Calamitty on 26/03/2007 19:05:35 everyone is talking about how EVE allows for realism that you have to run your own checks and police your corp to avoid thieves, thats all fine and dandy, but i think the CCP should step in still help out in tracking down theives. why? to make it more REAL, which IS the goal after all, is it not? in the real world, if microsoft collapses because Joe Smith and 5 friends stole all the corporate money, i can bet my soul that "invisible forces" will come into play, and things like phone calls traces, internet traces and so forth will be implemented. the people and money will be found. having a swiss bank account isnt a big deal nowdays, and with enough money and determination, you WILL be found if you are wanted. in EVE, if someone takes off with your money and creates an alternate character and stores it there no one can trace them! if someone creates a new account how will everyone else know? the CCP should be able to provide lists of names and alternate characters of offending persons, perhaps not freely but on a case by case basis. 500 billion ISK stolen? petition, and get all of the persons information, what alts they have, what alts they had, what characters are on the friends list of all the alts the player ever had, last know place spotted, etc etc. if you are gonna hit some one for that much cash, in the real world you are going to RUN AWAY and hide your ass as best as you could. the way i see it, if someone robs your corp in EVE they can go on doing whatever it is that they were doing before without too much fear... and thats bull.
kublai Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.26 19:09:00 - [50] bla bla bla, it's a sand box, we ARE the police.
Detrol Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:05:00 - [51] Edited by: Detrol on 27/03/2007 11:02:47 Edited by: Detrol on 27/03/2007 11:02:09 Problem is that CCP can't do anything. I mean, suppose CCP does punish corp thieves, when is someone actually a corp thief? * when he clears out everything from corp, wallet, hangars, bpo's, everything.... ok, clearly corp thief. * when he takes 100M Isk from corp wallet but doesn't take bpo's, ships, .... is he a corp thief? Or did he take back money that he borrowed to corp in the beginning and wants it back before leaving? * same question but with 500 M Isk.... * or he doesn't take money but takes a HAC cruiser from corp hangar and leaves, not touching other stuff? It's too difficult sometimes to really call other people corp thieves. If CCP will only punish corp thieves that take EVERYTHING, future corp thieves will make sure they leave stuff behind. And then you run into the problem of deciding how much has to be taken from corp before it's considered to be a corp theft by CCP. That's part of the problem for CCP. They don't want to start investigating every claim from CEO's about someone who 'stole' from their corp while in reality there might be something completely different going on. Really, do we want to increase the average petition solving time by a factor of 2-10? Instead, CCP gives you tools to limit corp theft as much as possible. Will this avoid it 100 percent? No, is it a better solution then having each corp thief hunted by CCP resulting in even more delay for petitions? Imho, yes, absolutely. Typical corp thefts that will always be very difficult to avoid are the real-life friendships that suddenly blow up for some reason and where the other guy says 'sod this, I've had enough of it' and clears the corp out. In these cases, corp theft is the result of something else that went wrong, not the original goal.
Ghola Bashar Us Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.30 05:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Eric Black Edited by: Eric Black on 22/03/2007 12:00:35 Corp theft is a part of the eve universe mate, gotta learn to live with it. Maybe you should be a lot more paranoid about who you trust in future? Also go for a dig through the forums, youll find several instances of huge corp thefts that are almost legendary. Okay so start your own corp and trust no one...a corp of one is going to so far isn't it? Or join a corp that's arledy established and be a slave to that corp forever. Hrm that option sucks too. So what does one do? I started a corp, and my only corpmate is a real world relative who i know will never steal cause i'll drive the couple miles to his home and hit in the head with a bat. I have satrted paying for a second account to train two characters at the same time in hopes to get two specialists in my corp eventually. In rookie help i have been helping lkots of rookies who now all want to join my corp. How to tell if they are true newbs and not someone's corp pirate alt? Neither type has any standing or employement history. So, who do I let in, cause I HAVE to get the corp to grow some, and how do I tell who to keep out? Don't say let anyone in just give them no access to anything. F*** that. I wouldn't want it done to me so I am not going to do that to anyone else. What's the answer to getting a corp members and making sure one of those members isn't a thief? Anyone? Anyone ? Beuller...?
jizzmonkey	Posted - 2007.03.30 10:07:00 - [53] calamity... yes if someone stole all of microsofts money etc, they would most likely be found...at least if they ever spent the money...and probably battered in an alley somewhere. you can do the same here. locater agents + mercs (or your own fighters) = one dead thief. oh...and do u believe any gets 100% full access for company accounts without partner/board whatever permission? so...have stuff for the corp...t1 ships, mods, few t2 gear. and then your stuff, bpos etc etc. its not hard ok, lets say he used a second character, and transfered the money, was this 2nd character active? if not then he should be easy as hell to spot...whats he flying in, corp history etc. if it is active then he's done his work, and espionage has been planned longterm. nothing wrong with that. now lets say ccp banned corp thieving...as an above poster has said (but with different connotations) where do you draw the limit?and where goes our freedom to do what we want? i believe the people that have a big problem with/fall for corp thieves are the classic carebears. why? because they classically use 1 or 2 modes of the game for long periods...grinding missions, mining, production, and thats all gravy. but they dont really use, or appreciate the freedom that most pirates/scumbags do...as we have fewer in game morals preventing us.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.30 13:36:00 - [54] Edited by: n0thing on 30/03/2007 13:33:38 Ok, well, police. Now, lets move onto roleplaying aspect, say there is a police. Now, how exactly would they be able to counter someone who done something bad and ran into 0.0? Send a Concord fleet to battle combat-rigged POS? Rather funny. How you imagine yourself a police force in between of hundreds alliances, thousands corps, 4 empires, and tens of factions all residing in like 10-20+ regions. LoL? EDIT: Actually, to the person suggested that above...hm...joke, why are you yourself posting from an alt in first place? ---
Maxpie Split Infinity	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:02:00 - [55] The best fix for this, though it will never happen, is to get rid of alts. Each account should have 1 character only. People do stuff like this for the same reason that otherwise nice people do rude things in public like steal a bus seat from an old lady or rudely cut people off in traffic - because they know nobody who knows them will find out about it. I think people's real nature comes out in these types of anonymous situations. Now if they didn't have alts, their character would have to deal with the ramifications of their actions. In that case, ok, you want to make off with the isk, we can try to pod you, warn other corps about accepting you, etc. This also makes much more sense from a rp perspective.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Maxpie The best fix for this, though it will never happen, is to get rid of alts. Each account should have 1 character only. People do stuff like this for the same reason that otherwise nice people do rude things in public like steal a bus seat from an old lady or rudely cut people off in traffic - because they know nobody who knows them will find out about it. I think people's real nature comes out in these types of anonymous situations. Now if they didn't have alts, their character would have to deal with the ramifications of their actions. In that case, ok, you want to make off with the isk, we can try to pod you, warn other corps about accepting you, etc. This also makes much more sense from a rp perspective. That would eliminate corp thiefs, imo, even tho Im not protecting them, such kind of thing should exist to make people think twice. ---
teth'eala Caldari Grey Scribes Inc	Posted - 2007.04.23 03:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Ghola Bashar Originally by: Eric Black Edited by: Eric Black on 22/03/2007 12:00:35 Corp theft is a part of the eve universe mate, gotta learn to live with it. Maybe you should be a lot more paranoid about who you trust in future? Also go for a dig through the forums, youll find several instances of huge corp thefts that are almost legendary. Okay so start your own corp and trust no one...a corp of one is going to so far isn't it? Or join a corp that's arledy established and be a slave to that corp forever. Hrm that option sucks too. So what does one do? I started a corp, and my only corpmate is a real world relative who i know will never steal cause i'll drive the couple miles to his home and hit in the head with a bat. I have satrted paying for a second account to train two characters at the same time in hopes to get two specialists in my corp eventually. In rookie help i have been helping lkots of rookies who now all want to join my corp. How to tell if they are true newbs and not someone's corp pirate alt? Neither type has any standing or employement history. So, who do I let in, cause I HAVE to get the corp to grow some, and how do I tell who to keep out? Don't say let anyone in just give them no access to anything. F* that. I wouldn't want it done to me so I am not going to do that to anyone else. What's the answer to getting a corp members and making sure one of those members isn't a thief? Anyone? Anyone ? Beuller...? what's the big deal? you sound like some ed off kid on a rant. Locking up your hanger and giving people people stuff on a request basis is not unreasonsable at all. anyone who **es and moans because they have to wait a couple minutes for a director to transfer stuff to their hanger should probably only play single player games anyway. -------------------------------------------------- do you have a loved one that's playing wow? give them a hug and tell tham that if they need a real mmo they can look no farther than eve
Veldspar Vinnie	Posted - 2007.04.23 11:41:00 - [58] The fact that this has happened to you twice, can only mean that your not learning from your mistakes. Trust no one in this game, not even your directors. If you put expensive stuff in your corp hangers, and then give access to them to other players, You will log in one morning to find them gone. Simple as.
flashfresh Minmatar Independent Pilots	Posted - 2007.04.23 12:26:00 - [59] LOL CCP didn't allow the corp theft. YOU did. Peeps - you have communal hangars - pack 'em with cheapo stuff for the noobs. Leave all the expensive things in your own personal hangar. If someone steals from the communal; so be it. Quote: I am the leader of a medium size corp and was stolen 2 times by persons which I trust. What is the lesson here Cengiz? TRUST NO ONE. Quote: I am really disappointed about corp thieves. We're disappointed in you. After earning 4 billion isk and you let this happen? M'kay? Move on. F ---------------------------------------------- ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for...'ö

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