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Madorthene
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Madorthene on 23/03/2007 15:23:55
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Stuff
Delusional.
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F Apparition
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: F Apparition on 23/03/2007 15:32:47
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I cannot help pointing out that I think this thread very much seems to prove true what was said in the top post about the mounting frustration and resulting smacktalk from our enemies.
It is a nice try, and one has to give to INFOD that when it comes to volumes they can raise a mighty propaganda machine, way more powerful than that of any other than enemy I have fought. No matter what differences of opinion or style of fighting, skill and force must be respected, both those of guns and of words.
Of course, no amount of respect for skill or force can change the facts here: that INFOD are pirates, smacktalkers, and liars, and we are not. Our allies certainly know this, and based on what they know choose for themselves who they shoot and who not. We are not jealous of our targets. Neither seems INFOD to be that of theirs...
I have zero interest to take this to "did not, did too" and thus will not comment details of engagements or battles in public, outside of the war situation updates, which I hope we can make more frequent in the future. Suffices to say that the situation seems to me to be improving nicely.
I'm not sure if you're replying directly to queries in this message, but I would appreciate an answer (perhaps via evemail?).
It is: Where is this mounting frustration? As I said above, the only form of frustration is due to the lack of enthusiasm shown by your pilots in engaging our fleets. You accuse us of "raiding your home system with several capital ships for backup" as if it is needed to pacify you. It's not. We just have that kind of firepower at hand. We can summon a fleet of battleships in minutes.
You don't seem to understand that we are a corporation that thrives on combat. It's our sole purpose. Don't spin this into giving the impression that we need to bring capital ships and heavy battleship gangs to roll over your home system. We just have the pilots ready in highly skilled and well fitted ships, and when we say "hey, let's head over to hedal and see if nmtz will fight", that kind of fleet response is just from pilots in corp wanting some action, no more. Don't act so smug that we're bringing this scale of equipment. The size of the gangs you've seen lock hedal down are normal for us; you're nothing special.
And so far, you haven't delivered, really. You declared war on us. The NMTZ response has been quite small, seeing as when you rarely gather a sizeable fleet against us it is usually under half nmtz, and more 5th column. I'd also, like many corp members above, like to thank 5th for showing a lot of balls in fighting us. We have a fair amount of respect for you now.
I don't like repeating myself, but the only real frustration is from your lack of effort in bringing the fights. It would be nice to see some real nmtz action in our timezone (mostly EU).
We've destroyed several POS's in hedal so far, and you're foolish if you believe we will let up. We are going all the way with you this time. Not because we're desperate to kill you, or that we're dirty pirates. We're just want some action. And if it's not nmtz who are bringing the fight, we will take it out on your minions in hedal.
In my very humble opinion, your goals of securing MH from pirate forces seems to be failing dismally. We've destroyed capital ships, faction battleships, and god knows how many others. Just because we can.
So, in summary, please bring some more. We aren't fracturing from the inside. Far from it. We're having a great time killing indiscriminately. We're outnumbered greatly and still kicking ass left and right. We'd just like to see some more explosions.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Of course, no amount of respect for skill or force can change the facts here: that INFOD are pirates, smacktalkers, and liars, and we are not. Our allies certainly know this, and based on what they know choose for themselves who they shoot and who not. We are not jealous of our targets. Neither seems INFOD to be that of theirs...
Proof that I am a liar in eve-online. PROOF OR SHUT THE FECK UP.
I am sick of you spitting around stuff which is not true because that is lying. Do not spit on my reputation, it will make it personal and than you are doomed.
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Wardog 1 on 23/03/2007 16:07:44 Edited by: Wardog 1 on 23/03/2007 16:04:58
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I cannot help pointing out that I think this thread very much seems to prove true what was said in the top post about the mounting frustration and resulting smacktalk from our enemies.
It is a nice try, and one has to give to INFOD that when it comes to volumes they can raise a mighty propaganda machine, way more powerful than that of any other than enemy I have fought. No matter what differences of opinion or style of fighting, skill and force must be respected, both those of guns and of words.
Of course, no amount of respect for skill or force can change the facts here: that INFOD are pirates, smacktalkers, and liars, and we are not. Our allies certainly know this, and based on what they know choose for themselves who they shoot and who not. We are not jealous of our targets. Neither seems INFOD to be that of theirs...
I have zero interest to take this to "did not, did too" and thus will not comment details of engagements or battles in public, outside of the war situation updates, which I hope we can make more frequent in the future. Suffices to say that the situation seems to me to be improving nicely.
oh ffs eve is broke... anyway, again...
Nice to see that the OP has folded to sufficient provocation, you say you will not respond to this thread... but you do. You bash our propaganda, yet yours is no different, more subtle, heavily packed with lies but its all the same.
Specificly addressing the fact that you call us liars. I'd accept smacktalkers and pirates, but liars, without proof, is a bit of a desperate claim no? I ask that you present some proof to the public. Or can't you?
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Plymer Ization
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon [...] no amount of respect for skill or force can change the facts here: that INFOD are pirates, smacktalkers, [...]
Agreed on the first two points, and quite proudly I might add.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon [...] and liars, [...]
Really? When did we lie?
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon [...] and we are not.
You're lying when you are trying to falsely portray us as liars. In the old-world saying, "Pot, kettle. Black." Your propaganda is nothing but lies, you know you are faltering, and you cannot handle the fact that you are being bruised and broken by a group of 'pirates and smacktalkers'.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Our allies certainly know this, and based on what they know choose for themselves who they shoot and who not.
Your allies may soon decide it isn't worth their time, ISK, or effort to help you in your conceited quest of "purging Molden Heath" from vile people such as ourselves.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Suffices to say that the situation seems to me to be improving nicely.
I would beg to differ. Perhaps you should check your communication logs with CONCORD and note that you have a few more enemies in your backyards. It's you who brought this on yourself - all out war. I'm fairly certain that us smacktalking pirates would have been content with simple skirmishes but now you've opened the floodgates.
Perhaps we will see you in space someday instead of letting your 'allies' do the fighting for you. For shame.
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Aariss
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:28:00 -
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She calls US Liers... lol that sounds desperate cuz corperations are seeking to talk with us "pirates" and the power has shifted away from namtz.. no no please don't leave... we will give you a discount on coffee if you stay and die .. er i mean fight for us.. Namtz is lossing this war in which they started and they have lowered themselves from their pervibial high perch down to the rest us us SCUM (as they call us) by smacking it up on the forums.. see i knew they would show their true sides.. if at first you don't win.. cry smack cry some more.
But to the pilots of 5th column you guys rock.. you sacrafice your ships to protect the very alliance that has brought missery to your homesystem and you guys just wanted to stay neutral... you guys are the true heroes of the evil side of this war.. keep it up guys!
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: betty
Lies n stuff
I can't believe how much utter bull**** comes from your mouth lol! ---
G o> INFOD Director.
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Malachi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.24 01:09:00 -
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*yawn*
Less jibber jabber and more pew pew.
Come out from what ever rock you are hiding under and fight.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.25 09:03:00 -
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United galnet offensives yay.
You people seem so desperate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.25 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Isyel
You people seem so desperate.
"Definitly".
Desperate enough to pirate in molden heath how we please
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.25 17:17:00 -
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The skill and courage of NMTZ's pilots is something that I can vouch for at first hand. The incompetence and arrogance of some their commanders alas, is something I've also witnessed at close quarters.
NMTZ fleet command is a closed shop dominated by those who only see fit to listen to their own counsel and regularly abuse the goodwill and competence of those who fly under their command. It is a small minded cabal of yes-men who are all too willing to dispense with the services of some of their best combat pilots in order to massage their own ego's with the construction of absurd tactics and ignorance of strategic necessity.
In anticipation of some of the more acerbic comment that NMTZ diplomats customarily engage in, can I point out that this message was prompted by the departure of another pilot from NMTZ whose opinion I value above those who see themselves as the leaders of the alliance. It seems commonplace for those who seek to challenge the exisiting order in NMTZ to be abused and kicked out without a thought of reasonable debate. Dissention is not to tbe tolerated within NMTZ, which is something to be lamented in an organisation that purports to support a democratic Republic.
NMTZ' declaration of war was poorly thought out as an instrument of declared alliance policy and the tactics of NMTZ fleet command compounded political error with dull and unimaginative intiatives that were designed to avoid loss rather than win engagements. Fleet command console themselves with rigged statistics from the last week of the war, fiddling whilst Rome burns, all the while the forces arrayed against them grow in the absence of a decisive offensive.
It's far too early to talk of the demise of NMTZ whilst it has pilots with the skill and courage necessary to confront INFOD still in it's ranks. The fact that this skill and courage is being blunted by incompetence and arrogance bodes ill for the future.
Far better pilots than myself have been kicked and I know for certain that another who features large in the killboard standings is about to leave. If NMTZ is to survive it has to resort to better leadership than it enjoys at present else it will find that it's abuse of it's own pilots shall come home to roost in a rather unfortunate fashion.
I wish the pilots of NMTZ well but I cannot but object to lions being led by Donkeys.
"If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable" |
Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:25:00 -
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Post with your main goddamn coward. ----------------
If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png. |
Souvera Corvus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 Post with your main goddamn coward.
I think you'll find that this is, as anyone in NMTZ could tell you.
"If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable" |
The Yzzerman
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.03.26 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: The Yzzerman on 26/03/2007 06:04:14
Said by PIE people: After Pirates have been "taken" care of in amarr PIE will come to Molden Heath .
Infod You would need to pay us if that " ever" happen. Giving you targets to kill, they must have run out by now in Molden Heath
Keep it rolling..
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Jaden Brock
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Posted - 2007.03.26 18:42:00 -
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#1 That is his main. #2 What does perforatives mean. Souv, you always did talk above my head.
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Tyr Cloudstone
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:06:00 -
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Be strong Namtz'aar K'in you and your Allies will overcome this threat. Remember, UNITY, amongst your brothers and sisters will serve you well in the coming storm.
Tyr Cloudstone
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jaden Brock #1 That is his main. #2 What does perforatives mean. Souv, you always did talk above my head.
Sorry Jaden, as you know I get carried away sometimes.
As for pejoratives, it largely refers to terms of abuse. You're aware of what and who I objected to and it's that of which I speak.
"If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable" |
Ricardo ilMagnifico
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.27 11:52:00 -
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It looks like INFOD enjoy the smak-talk. I'm sure they fight well, but do they ever rise above this "omg we pwn u" kinda thing? Join NKB - Member Corp of Ushra'Khan |
shadow saber
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.27 12:02:00 -
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its only true where fighting 10-1 odds in total numbers and we aint even broke a sweat i cant recall a single op where by the end of it most of us where sober i would have a sig but i cant be bothered making one |
Diicc Tater
Aggressive Tendencies
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Posted - 2007.03.27 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ricardo ilMagnifico It looks like INFOD enjoy the smak-talk. I'm sure they fight well, but do they ever rise above this "omg we pwn u" kinda thing?
I know for a fact that when they get a fight they enjoy, they smack in a more respectfull way. It's still smack and I love them for it. ** Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me! ** |
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2007.03.27 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyr Cloudstone Be strong Namtz'aar K'in you and your Allies will overcome this threat. Remember, UNITY, amongst your brothers and sisters will serve you well in the coming storm.
Tyr Cloudstone
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Night Tripper
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:04:00 -
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INFOD seem to define themselves with their "relationship" with NMTZ. if INFOD could break NMTZ, that they seem to have been pursuing for years, i wonder if they could exist? it certainly seems that NMTZ is something that continuosly troubles them. one of the factors why they perhaps left CA? whatever is right or wrong, it continues to puzzle me why such "big fish" of PvP would chose to fight what their publicity machine paints as such "unworthy" opponents?
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tassi on 27/03/2007 19:17:07
Originally by: Night Tripper why such "big fish" of PvP would chose to fight what their publicity machine paints as such "unworthy" opponents?
This is very simple to answer darling. As you can see in this thread champagne for betty and tass INFOD has put out requests for me finally getting laid by a female.
These requests were not only answered by "no". NMTZ simply ignored them! Can't have that I say.
The INFOD church has a reputation of bi-curious priests. With our campaign "champagne for betty and tass" our Church tried to break out of this kinda reputation. However, NMTZ did not see the greater good of non bi-curious priests in our Church and will thus be eliminated.
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DaMiGe
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Night Tripper it continues to puzzle me why such "big fish" of PvP would chose to fight what their publicity machine paints as such "unworthy" opponents?
simply put, they wardeclaired us ---> My vids <--- latest movie = DaMiGe Control 1 |
Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.27 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Night Tripper INFOD seem to define themselves with their "relationship" with NMTZ. if INFOD could break NMTZ, that they seem to have been pursuing for years, i wonder if they could exist? it certainly seems that NMTZ is something that continuosly troubles them. one of the factors why they perhaps left CA? whatever is right or wrong, it continues to puzzle me why such "big fish" of PvP would chose to fight what their publicity machine paints as such "unworthy" opponents?
You've gathered this solely from the forums I presume? Believe it or not its actually quite hard to kill a low sec alliance. What with the fact they don't need to undock. Do they trouble us? Well they're the biggest supply of targets in the area, who else are we gonna shoot?
And no thats not why we left CA. We left for various other reasons, moved back to molden heath and NMTZ decided it would be wise to declare war on us.
We've not been persuing nmtz for years. We've shot them because they get in the way, and have done for a while. Could we exist without them? For the last year or so Infod has had its major pvp priorities centered in the Great Wildlands. Theres nout much there these days, so we go play RP with the minmatar guys.
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Aariss
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.28 01:50:00 -
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Did you know the elephant is the only mammal that can not jump..
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Night Tripper
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Posted - 2007.03.28 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wardog 1 You've gathered this solely from the forums I presume?
yeh pretty much so, you guys sure do put up one hell of a forum fight
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Flaming sambuka
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.28 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Night Tripper
Originally by: Wardog 1 You've gathered this solely from the forums I presume?
yeh pretty much so, you guys sure do put up one hell of a forum fight
Well if you cant find them on the battlefield, bring it to them on the forums.
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.19 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 19/04/2007 08:43:16
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
We would also like to take this opportunity to thank and praise all our allies who have stood together against this threat despite efforts of the enemy to cause discord: 5th Column, Electus Matari, Foundation, and the several smaller organizations working in the area.
In otherwords....Infod a corporation of 162 members vs you 513 pilots, 5th Column 284, Electus Matari 187 and Foundation 64 (lolz).
NMTZ consists of 12 member corporations, 228 pilots reside under its sovereignty.
Hehe, seams like you lost 285 rebels after you decleared war....along with your leadership. The universe await in awe for further clever decisions made by Matari rebels.
-------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
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