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Where I got that was the original players guide. Not the lets cater to the pirates, because they cried so much version, that has left HI-sec so empty. Actions used to have consequences, ganks were harder.

They used to block pirates after a certain point and Hi-sec was actually Hi-sec. That is the difference between Hi-sec over time. Risk used to equal reward, not using cheap ships to kill what ever you please.

I am pretty sure an absolute lockout of highsec was never in the game. And if it was, it certainly hasn't been the case for the last decade or more since CONCORD was added to the game.

Ganks were trivial back in the day. At some points, you made a profit from insurance alone even if you completely failed. Ganking was also probably more common. In 2012, Dr. Eyjo said Exhumer ganking was at an all-time low (it's in the CSM minutes) and rates haven't changed too much since then. In fact, highsec has received buff after buff to safety making ganking, certainly for a profit, the hardest it ever has been.

It's fine if you want to sit on your porch in your rocking chair moaning about the good ol' days and what could have been, but that won't help you deal with the reality of the game. CCP wants you to be able to interact with pirates in highsec, and they want pirates to be able to interact with you so deal with that. They aren't going to make that impossible by keeping the players separate.

Why are we talking about security status though? This is completely off-topic. The topic is bumping (and bumping is completely cool with CONCORD) and the new golden age of miner bumping that we might be on the cusp of.

Actually the destroyer buffs made ganking a lot easier, mostly due to the damage output vs the cost.

The problem is a lot of PvE players don't want to interact with pirates and so took their money and left.

The lock outs were actually in to 2003 era.

So if we go back to the topic then it should actually be easy for the OP to just gank the bumper. Problem solved. Thanks.


CCP's study about why people quit shows the exact opposite to your simple gut feelings. I suggest you bring actual evidence if you want to argue the complete opposite

The problem is a lot of PvE players don't want to interact with pirates and so took their money and left. The fact that there are -10s running a round in Hi-sec on a slaughter will not bode well come next month and CCP are going to lose a huge chance to re-roll this game.

Nope. They've never locked anyone out of systems.

The problem is a lot of PvE players don't want to interact with pirates and so took their money and left. The fact that there are -10s running a round in Hi-sec on a slaughter will not bode well come next month and CCP are going to lose a huge chance to re-roll this game.

As for me I am the paranoid industrialist, so I am tanked as best as you can, within a reasonable risk vs reward margin of course.
edit on the bumping, with the timer, that will make it interesting to see if the gankers can get organised enough.

They showed and presented that NEW players did not quit due to ganking.

Maybe you would like to show proof that the industrialists didn't leave in droves because they got sick of being ganked because I know a hell of a lot of people I used to mine with did.

As to the bumper, if their sec status is below -5 everyone should be allowed to kill them, with or without bumping.

Again you show you absolute lack of knowledge about the game. Everyone is ALREADY allowed to kill a player with -5 sec status without CONCORD intervention, not even that, you even get faction police support after a few seconds.

So this is the second suggestion today from you which should fix the game but is actually already implemented. So tell me is the game now considered fixed for you?

Put the booster in the middle of an asteroid cluster.
It becomes more vulnerable to ganks, but the trade off is that a ship won't easily be able to bump the booster because the bumper keeps bumping off asteroids.

Actually the point about account cancellation was not about new players at all, which would also not make a lot of sense, since the < 15 day players actually never subscribed and therefor can't cancel the account. Maybe watch that video again. So the point stands, < 1% state harassment as a reason for account cancellation so please provide some evidence if you think you know better.

YOU try to argue the complete opposite to an established fact, YOU have the burden of prove. Everyone can make any number of garbage statements and it is on them to show why we should take it seriously.

No your misrepresenting what CCP stated to use it as proof. It is not.
Hell even Minerbumping.com got it right.

"As CCP Rise explained, a massive study was performed on the subject of whether new players get ganked, and what effect it has on player retention. No longer would the lies of the carebears be taken at face value. Facts and evidence would decide the issue."

They specifically state new players. I suggest you watch it again.

No your misrepresenting what CCP stated to use it as proof. It is not.
Hell even Minerbumping.com got it right.

"As CCP Rise explained, a massive study was performed on the subject of whether new players get ganked, and what effect it has on player retention. No longer would the lies of the carebears be taken at face value. Facts and evidence would decide the issue."

That's total rubbish, that never works and never has.

You're going to have to face up to the fact that this new super orca has a single weakness, bumping. If a good bumper goes for your orca, it will be rendered useless. You will have a few choices. Gank the bumper, and hope that he doesn't just replace his ship and return. You could move elsewhere. Or you could just not use an Orca.

A single bumper won't be able to do much to a booster if said booster is being intelligent. Also, if the booster doesn't have level 1 skills. Fit a Higgs rig, drop an MTU in the center of a belt, and orbit it at a few km.

The Orca, with zero Leadership skills, will have a 22.5km link, which is enough to reach all but the most extreme edges of any highsec static belt. The miners don't need to be humping the rocks at the outer edges at 0 to mine them, so they should be well within this very minimum range.

Add in level V Leadership skills (+6% range per level, or +30% at level IV) and that 22.5km range is now 29.25km.

Add in level V Wing Command (+5% range per level, or +25% at level IV) and that 29.25km range is now 36.56km.

Add in level IV Fleet Command (+4% range per level, or +16% at level IV) and that 36.56km range is now 42.4km.

Most highsec static belts are roughly 50km across, and your boost range with those skills is 86km across.

If you've gotten bumped far enough in an Orca in a highsec static belt that your miners are out of range of their boosts, you've managed to do something very, very wrong.

No your misrepresenting what CCP stated to use it as proof. It is not.
Hell even Minerbumping.com got it right.

"As CCP Rise explained, a massive study was performed on the subject of whether new players get ganked, and what effect it has on player retention. No longer would the lies of the carebears be taken at face value. Facts and evidence would decide the issue."

People who die, so people in the ganked group are the most likely to stay subscribed afterwards. People in the legally killed group are slightly less likely to stay subscribed and the people who don't die at all where the ones most likely to leave the game.

And on top of that we actually I can give one more fun fact: if you look at account cancellations for EVE, less than one percent of account cancelations cite ship loss or player harassment for leaving.

1% of those who responded.... what is the % of respondents to those who quit? My only question to ascertain the validity of the sample size for the study.

If % of respondents is low it means nothing, if % is high it means much MUCH more. Statistics are fun.

1% of those who responded.... what is the % of respondents to those who quit? My only question to ascertain the validity of the sample size for the study.

If % of respondents is low it means nothing, if % is high it means much MUCH more. Statistics are fun.

Actually it does; roid hugging is a fairly effective defence against bumping.

Every ship in Eve has weaknesses*, it's called balance.

*Except the Svipul, that thing is just OP as hell.

The gates also used to lock on you if you attacked someone near them.

So this is the second suggestion today from you which should fix the game but is actually already implemented. So tell me is the game now considered fixed for you?

Statistics are fun.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

It's actually 100% of subscribed players that respond. It's a mandatory part of cancelling the subscription.

See this screen:

https://puu.sh/rGltG/38478db686.png

So you can't actually cancel without including a reason.

If you try, the form validation returns an error message:

https://puu.sh/rGlzs/b2593c5582.png

But don't get hung up on the 1%. It's not really the issue of the thread.