| Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Jadek Kin
Incorruptibles
59
   |
Posted - 2016.10.13 03:07:45 -
[1] - Quote
CCP adds a command prompt feature to private chat channels (e.g. /drawcard or /picknumber or /flipcoin).
The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from.
The option to let users bet with enhanced chat channel commands allows CCP to keep the mechanics of gambling in game. However, I'd never see this becoming a thing as it's an extra headache for the CCP legal team.
Regardless, what are your thoughts?
@JadekMenaheim
|
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
No Points Necessary
356
|
Posted - 2016.10.13 04:05:59 -
[2] - Quote
Jadek Kin wrote:The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from.
Do you really expect the underage users to be honest about their age ? |
Jadek Kin
Incorruptibles
59
|
Posted - 2016.10.13 04:12:37 -
[3] - Quote
Hesod Adee wrote:Jadek Kin wrote:The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from. Do you really expect the underage users to be honest about their age ?
Not really, it doesn't stop people from lying about their age to access pr0n sites. If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian.
@JadekMenaheim
|
Iain Cariaba
3211
|
Posted - 2016.10.13 04:44:14 -
[4] - Quote
Jadek Kin wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Jadek Kin wrote:The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from. Do you really expect the underage users to be honest about their age ? Not really, it doesn't stop people from lying about their age to access pr0n sites. If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian.
The burden may fall upon the parental guardian, but let's face it, most parents these days are idiots who'd much rather blame someone else for their bad parenting. CCP would save themselves a great deal of headache by simply enforcing a, "no gambling with in game currency, period," policy.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
|
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
No Points Necessary
356
|
Posted - 2016.10.13 07:45:25 -
[5] - Quote
Jadek Kin wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Jadek Kin wrote:The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from. Do you really expect the underage users to be honest about their age ? Not really, it doesn't stop people from lying about their age to access pr0n sites. If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian.
Who do the various government agencies that enforce gambling laws say the burden falls upon ?
Agencies that aren't happy about underage gambling. The kind of agencies that told Valve to take whatever action is necessary to stop any 3rd party gambling sites involving Steam or face GÇ£additional civil or criminal actionGÇ¥.
In the UK two people have been charged with running/promoting illegal gambling. No mention of underage gambling. Meaning an age check that worked wouldn't be enough to satisfy UK law, and you're suggesting an age check that won't work.
At a minimum, I see CCP blocking all gambling until all the fallout from the CS:GO skin gambling has finished. Which might include law changes. Then you might be able to convince CCP to have a look at the cost of running legal gambling and the benefits such gambling would bring to Eve. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2266
|
Posted - 2016.10.13 14:51:30 -
[6] - Quote
Perhaps CCP could focus their efforts on space ships, immortal space heroics and stuff like that. Personally I could give a ratsassamatass how difficult it is to make isk via Eve gambling. Do the right thing, go gank a fat freighter for isk. Work the land, it's good for the soul. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
855
|
Posted - 2016.10.15 01:16:51 -
[7] - Quote
Long story short, the reason for the gambling shift is CCP is seeing the US and a few other nations focusing the evil eye on online gambling, CCP is now distancing themselves as far way as they can. They won't put this in game. 3rd party is where you will find this and 3rd will have ot get creative as it seems CCP already started bans.
Underage gambling is an upfront legal reason they have for it. The powers that be always have these visible reasons that make sense. Candy coats the pill. Tin foil hat 103 says real reason is this is money they can't touch. Why do casino's get their licenses, someone wins big there is the nice cashier handing you tax form x. Won the lottery....at some point you may give up some winnings to taxes.
Tin foil hat says they can't give this reason so they find other legal ones. In the case of online gambling they can't even use reasons like supporting criminal organizations. It's fat gaming nerds.....not the mob captain or triad thug running the show.
Now the interesting thing to watch for is as this steam rolls out is how will eve-nt broadcasts go since at least for AT it was clear eve bet heavily sponsored them. Will that change I wonder. Its CCP's right to share the streams. Or...not share. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18625
|
Posted - 2016.10.15 02:23:08 -
[8] - Quote
Hay, how about we keep internet spaceships about spaceships and gambling about gambling yeah?
Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agents
Praposal:Un-F**k NPC Corps
=]|[=
|
Jagd Wilde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2016.10.20 23:33:53 -
[9] - Quote
Jadek Kin wrote: If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian.
this needs said again 
|
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18715
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 01:53:12 -
[10] - Quote
Jagd Wilde wrote:Jadek Kin wrote: If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian. this needs said again
eve is pegi 12
Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agents
Praposal:Un-F**k NPC Corps
=]|[=
|
|
|
Lugh Crow-Slave
3254
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 01:57:43 -
[11] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote:Jadek Kin wrote: If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian. this needs said again eve is pegi 12
and ccp would like to keep it that way
BLOPS Hauler
|
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
201
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 02:08:43 -
[12] - Quote
Hesod Adee wrote:Jadek Kin wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Jadek Kin wrote:The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from. Do you really expect the underage users to be honest about their age ? Not really, it doesn't stop people from lying about their age to access pr0n sites. If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian. Who do the various government agencies that enforce gambling laws say the burden falls upon ? Agencies that aren't happy about underage gambling. The kind of agencies that told Valve to take whatever action is necessary to stop any 3rd party gambling sites involving Steam or face GÇ£additional civil or criminal actionGÇ¥. In the UK two people have been charged with running/promoting illegal gambling. No mention of underage gambling. Meaning an age check that worked wouldn't be enough to satisfy UK law, and you're suggesting an age check that won't work. At a minimum, I see CCP blocking all gambling until all the fallout from the CS:GO skin gambling has finished. Which might include law changes. Then you might be able to convince CCP to have a look at the cost of running legal gambling and the benefits such gambling would bring to Eve.
CS:GO skin gambling is just that, too. I know plenty of underage people that've spent 300+ dollars for the CHANCE of getting a video game skin. The way it works is you pump more money into the game via buying keys, then you unlock containers that randomly drop in the game and you have a chance of a skin which has some real world value like 5 cents to 1000 dollars.
They're still violating the spirit of the law because of the way it encourages gambling and losing real world money in a game of chance.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
|
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
201
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 02:30:20 -
[13] - Quote
Somehow a double post.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
|
Iain Cariaba
3219
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 03:33:58 -
[14] - Quote
Jagd Wilde wrote:Jadek Kin wrote: If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian. this needs said again
Except it doesn't work that way in the real world.
If an underage person misrepresents themselves to an establishment that sells alcohol with a fake ID, it is not the guardian who get penalized for selling to the minor. The burden falls upon the establishment, and ultimately the employee who made the sale.
If an underage person misrepresents themselves to a store that sells adult toys with a fake ID, it is not the guardian who get penalized for selling to the minor. The burden falls upon the store, and ultimately the employee who made the sale.
If an underage person misrepresents themselves to a strip club with a fake ID, it is not the guardian who get penalized for allowing the minor in. The burden falls upon the club, and ultimately the bouncer who let them in.
I've worked in all three industries. While I've never worked in a casino, I'm fairly sure the ones in cities where the local law enforcement isn't on the casino owner's payroll have the same general thing going on.
In the wonderful world of the interweb, businesses use credit cards as proof of age. They do this because you have to be a legal adult pretty much anywhere in the world to have a credit card. A minor who uses their guardian's credit cards is essentially using them as fake ID to misrepresent themselves. There is zero burden ever actually falling on the guardian. At the very most, they're stuck with a credit card bill, but sometimes they can even dispute the charges and get their money back.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
|
Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
41
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 04:22:05 -
[15] - Quote
I fully support CCP in the removal of gambling from Eve by any means necessary.There is no reasons for this game to be used as a cash laundring machine ,by at best shaddy people most likely criminals depending on their state laws. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1030
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 13:59:25 -
[16] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hay, how about we keep internet spaceships about spaceships and gambling about gambling yeah?
I could not have said it any better so I will not even try. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3256
|
Posted - 2016.10.21 14:08:31 -
[17] - Quote
Nya Kittenheart wrote:I fully support CCP in the removal of gambling from Eve by any means necessary.There is no reasons for this game to be used as a cash laundring machine ,by at best shaddy people most likely criminals depending on their state laws.
Most of the sights were completely clean both in terms of the TOS and local laws a few bad apples ruined it is all. Sucks too they were always a good place to get community events funded. I do however agree 100%that it is the best course of action legally for ccp
BLOPS Hauler
|
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
5421
|
Posted - 2016.10.23 04:15:12 -
[18] - Quote
Jadek Kin wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Jadek Kin wrote:The use of this feature can be locked depending on the user provided age of the account and the municipality laws of the location the user is signing into the Eve client from. Do you really expect the underage users to be honest about their age ? Not really, it doesn't stop people from lying about their age to access pr0n sites. If underage people are misrepresenting themselves to the TOS the burden falls on the parental guardian.
Oh to be so young and naive. 
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
|
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
874
|
Posted - 2016.10.23 04:39:33 -
[19] - Quote
Teckos Pech wrote:Oh to be so young and naive.
Does have its good points, miss those days. While jaded has me deal with life better...I do miss the days of wide eyed optimism. Was happier then as I recall. Jaded outlook just reinforced by it being right 90% of the time lol.
At least in the US, the ligation happy country, at some point and in some way....papers are filed against companies. The company corrupted my sweet little boy or girl. Its never the possibility that mommy an daddy's little angel is not so angelic to start off with. Usually its well I never did that as the hundred of stupids things they did are skipped over. Some parents tend to have selective memories. They remember lawyers phone numbers real good though. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
10762
|
Posted - 2016.10.23 05:16:33 -
[20] - Quote
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Nya Kittenheart wrote:I fully support CCP in the removal of gambling from Eve by any means necessary.There is no reasons for this game to be used as a cash laundring machine ,by at best shaddy people most likely criminals depending on their state laws. Most of the sights were completely clean both in terms of the TOS and local laws a few bad apples ruined it is all. Sucks too they were always a good place to get community events funded. I do however agree 100%that it is the best course of action legally for ccp
"We have to play to the 1% that are such ****wits that they ruin it for the rest of us. We have to move as slow as our 'slowest person' to keep society ****ing moving.
I take drugs like a ****ing champion. We should all be allowed to take ****ing drugs, but we can't, can we? Because 'Sarah' took drugs and stabbed her ****ing kids!
Ah! Thanks 'Sarah!' You ****ed it up for everyone!
Everyone should be allowed to drive their car as fast as they can do it! But we can't because 'Jonathan' got drunk and ran over a family. Thanks 'Jonathan!!' Now I have to drive at 30 you ****ing idiot!"
- Jim Jefferies
Hyperbole, I know. But it is relevant.
How did you Veterans start?
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |