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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:24:04 -
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- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑ
That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space.
Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit".
Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?
I doubt it.
*G£ö = Check Mark **Gì+ = Not Check Mark *** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:26:52 -
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And here come the small, vocal group of players. To tell you how wrong you are. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
515
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:30:36 -
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pajedas wrote:
- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑThat being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants? I doubt it. *G£ö = Check Mark**Gì+ = Not Check Mark*** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Huh? Not sure exactly what your getting at because I'm a bit obtuse, players already decide where they want to be, if you are on about the 1,000's upon 1,000's of threads about people being free to have free wack a mole they do, nothing stops anyone from shooting anyone else (except noob griefing), many -10 fly around EVE in high sec...not sure what you mean.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:45:16 -
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What a ******* hypocrite.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18700
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:47:46 -
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Whooooh boyos, he's super serious about this. Look ,he even has little tic mark emoji's.
Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agents
Praposal:Un-F**k NPC Corps
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1326
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:49:05 -
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pajedas wrote:
- Have a great product G£ö
- Launch it properly G£ö
- Maintain said product G£ö
- Listen to your customer base Gì+
- Evolve G£ö
- Keep your ego out of it Gì+
- Broaden one's horizons Gì+
I love Eve Online GÖÑThat being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. Let the players decide where they want to be. What are you afraid of? Eve subscriptions would skyrocket!
Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". Is that what CCP wants? Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants? I doubt it. *G£ö = Check Mark**Gì+ = Not Check Mark*** Please keep your comments on topic **** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥ The non-troll, in contrast, is trying to be understood and (ideally) to understand. ThatGÇÖs the difference between a debate and discussion. credit: John Halstead
Here's a better version:
1. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you where to start 2. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to do it 3. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to keep it 4. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to receive feedback properly 5. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you when to do it 6. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you why you should do it 7. A broadly defined term that sounds good but doesn't tell you how to plan for it
Bloody marketing.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite CODE.
45
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:50:50 -
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here come the antiganker tears complaining that high sec isn't safe enough XD
Maybe move out of uedama so you don't get to see freighters blowing up in your face non-stop daily. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2473
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:53:30 -
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Piugattuk wrote:
Huh? Not sure exactly what your getting at because I'm a bit obtuse, players already decide where they want to be, if you are on about the 1,000's upon 1,000's of threads about people being free to have free wack a mole they do, nothing stops anyone from shooting anyone else (except noob griefing), many -10 fly around EVE in high sec...not sure what you mean.
That's because you're not familiar with the OP, who suffers from a terminal case of stage 4 butthurt re: suicide ganking. It's all he ever posts about. All indications are its all he ever thinks about.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:05:02 -
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LOL.
Because I defend a good idea you think I'm a victim?
That just goes to show how uninformed this group of trolls is.
Looks like I'm ahead to me...
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
567
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:09:08 -
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I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. It would be borring. |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2474
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:27:20 -
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pajedas wrote:LOL. Because I defend a good idea you think I'm a victim? That just goes to show how uninformed this group of trolls is. Looks like I'm ahead to me...
"I'm elite. Tell me, mom!"
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1194
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:33:16 -
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pajedas wrote:**** The difference between the troll and the non-troll is that the troll is trying to GÇ£win.GÇ¥
pajedas wrote:Looks like I'm ahead to me...
Says it all really.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1625
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:59:19 -
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pajedas wrote:bunch of stuff
So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything. Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:01:16 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it. Thanks for the constructive feedback. Very well put.
My response: It's a big Universe. If someone wants to be left alone, you can't fault them for that.
They shouldn't have to sit in a station...
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:03:50 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything. Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh. Look down.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
629
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:06:29 -
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Welcome to New Eden
@lunettelulu7
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
280
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:16:38 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Welcome to New Eden You're a little late for that, but thanks.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18319
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:22:39 -
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pajedas wrote: Thanks for the constructive feedback. Very well put.
My response: It's a big Universe. If someone wants to be left alone, you can't fault them for that.
They shouldn't have to sit in a station...
They don't, they are free and able to go play EVE alone. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45195
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:24:24 -
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pajedas wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Welcome to New Eden You're a little late for that, but thanks. Wrapped up in Lulu's post is the message that New Eden is what it is. It isn't something else.
Your OP seems to be proposing that New Eden should be something different, that what it is, isn't ok.
The view that changing Eve to something different would lead to skyrocketing subscription doesn't necessarily follow. There are already other games that offer something different to Eve. If Eve changes to become more like one of those, doesn't it risk alienating its existing customers; and just put it in direct competition for subscribers with gamers that don't have a subscription and/or which already have those extra customers?
How would changing Eve suddenly lead to askyrocketing number of subscriptions? What is the basis for that?
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14841
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:53:04 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think what OP means is that there should be a place in new Eden where everyone can play the game how he want's (Mining, Missionrunning, etc.) without getting disturbed by groups that have another playstyle (Suicide ganking, PvP, Ninja-Looting, etc.) and so "sabotage" the experience for them.
In my opinion, this would absolutely destroy the Sandbox experience and kill Eve within months. A big part of Eve is to find your "niche", overcome obstacles, finding other Players / friends with the same playstyle and prevail against the odds of this Universe.
That sweet, sweet moment when you finaly can get your revenge on that guy that ganked you so often in your mining barge in an asteroid belt... Or shot your Missionrunner Ship... Because you learned and fitted a scrambler, a good tank and called your friends in.... That's the kind of experience that hooks you up for Eve for a very, very long time.
And most of all, it provides content not just for you, but for a whole bunch of other players. Eve would be very borring without it.
Its amazing that some people don't get that. The only thing that gives anything in EVE any value is danger, and in EVE, other people are the danger.
Every time I see that recurring bit of stupidity about "high sec should be totally safe", I remember all those idiots who proclaimed some new game was gonna kill EVE, and they loudly left for those new games, only to silently slink back when they found out that safety in a |
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Zak'eni
Revolutionary Socialialist Party of Amarr
9
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:15:50 -
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While there might be some merit in rethinking how high security works, and also how it works with regards to -10.0 sec status, making it a super safe opposition free dream land is not the way to go about it. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:22:30 -
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Zak'eni wrote:While there might be some merit in rethinking how high security works, and also how it works with regards to -10.0 sec status, making it a super safe opposition free dream land is not the way to go about it. You are very right.
It needs to be not even safer just more balanced between risk and reward.
going to -10 is no real risk, losing a destroyer is no real risk, however the rewards are great between freighters and even exhumers you are breaking even on ganks.
Their is no risk and their is no real reward for anti-gank hunters, their ships and worth bugger all and you might get some bounty money if anyone was silly enough to throw good money after bad.
They just need to fix the risk vs reward and make Hi-sec more balanced. |
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
101
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:56:45 -
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pajedas wrote: Is that what Novator Partners and the American investment fund General Catalyst Partners wants?
I doubt it.
Well, they're called Catalyst partners for a reason. People want different things from their investments. Some people expect quick profits, some people just want to shiptoast, so what? |
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
115
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Posted - 2016.10.20 05:19:43 -
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Can someone tell me exactly when this fascination with high-sec safety become such a thing? I remember the reason I joined was the expectation of danger everywhere, even in the safest spots. The thrill of success of holding your ground or outsmarting your competition. Now it's all "let me crawl in my corner and leave me alone". |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2850
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:01:29 -
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pajedas wrote:That being said, CCP needs to stop listening to a small, vocal group of players. If enough people want to practice a particular play style, let them! It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. CCP develops their single-universe PvP how they choose. Sure, they seek input and direction from the community of players, but it is the company who is responsible for the game design decisions and it is their employees and shareholders whose livelihoods and assets depend on it's continued success. There is not some small cabal of players in some dark room pulling the strings and making CCP make decisions and take directions that it does not want to do.
Feel free to invent conspiracy theories and direct your anger against other players for the fact the product is something else than what you personally want, but it is CCP who should be the target of your discontent. It was CCP who set out to design a full-time, competitive PvP sandbox game so many years ago. It is CCP is continues to follow that vision and make an everyone vs. everyone game where nowhere is safe, and the whole world can be considered a PvP zone. Besides, from all accounts it seems that it is the players begging for CCP to rework their PvP sandbox into a theme-park game for them that are in the minority.
pajedas wrote:You can have Actual High Security Space. You can have Actual Low Security Space. You can have Actual Zero Security Space. We already have that. Highsec is very safe: it is almost impossible to die in highsec if you take any active steps to protect yourself. Lowesec is much riskier, but there is still some protection from certain weapons, and punishment for illegal acts, and there is space where there is none of that. Players can choose where they want to play.
It's true there is no safesec, but there never was intended to be in New Eden. I don't see how you have contrived a history of Eve where a "small, vocal group of players" got safesec removed from the game or something.
pajedas wrote:Eve Online is a Universe. It can offer pretty much everything! Don't tell people that the only way they can be safe is to stay docked. That's just stupid. You may as well say, "just don't log in" which leads to, "just quit". No it can't really. A "safe space* and a full-time, open world PvP sandbox are indeed mutually exclusive. You can't give a safe, useful space in this type of game without it being overrun by veteran players looking to make an invulnerable income source depriving the game of conflict and content.
I suggest you leave the game design to the professionals and just worry about finding a game that suits your wants and needs, instead of agitating for game developers to toss out their vision and tailor their game specifically to you. That might mean that Eve Online is not for you, like it is not the game for the majority of gamers out there. There is no shame in that - different strokes for different folks and all that.
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Why Do They Gank?
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:01:52 -
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When I read posters write about sandbox I cannot stop to laugh thinking about the "sandbox" events like the Blood Raiders one and how it's almost impossible to find a empty site because "sandbox" players are creating content farming the sites like madness for the loots...
Don't be ridicoluos please.....
You are strict sandbox players when it's useful to you------ easy ganking
You're World of warcraft farmers when it's useful to you ----- CCP events with tasty loot |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3569
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:03:45 -
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can we make this a meme?
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Gogela
Heh...
3357
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:22:31 -
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I want to post a **** and balls render so badly... SO badly.
...but I'm trying to be a better forum poster. I'm reformed motherfrackers.
Still.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1626
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:23:36 -
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pajedas wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:So much advice, but i'm willing to bet you've never designed, released or maintained anything. Please drop a multi-paragraph essay about your expertise on the thread, i could use a laugh. Look down.
Nah, seriously, even though when i'm at a rave it's great to listen to people talk about DJing and make suggestions, i still need to see from what basis you're saying that your suggestions would be good for the game. Just calling me a troll doesn't help your case one bit.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Myles Wong
Mallaks Brown Grotto Raiders
33
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:26:05 -
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I'm confused. *popcorn* |
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