Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PCGÇÖs keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, itGÇÖs far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.

100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?

And that is probably the logic behind it

10 of 10 K+M win over Controller

By allowing K+M control you just rule out Controller

They're not interested in their current customer base for the obvious reason that they already have those customers GÇö it's a new game for a new set of customers on a new platform, so whether some completely unrelated group of people use keyboards is entirely irrelevant.

It's something rather different to radically alter your existing game with existing players to try to sucker in new people than to diversify and do something else. So if anything, they've learnt the right thing here: don't try to replace your customers, NGE-style GÇö attract new ones, Untold Legends-style.

Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.

What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.

If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are.

Cutting off people who don't play console FPSes from a console FPS isn't particularly strange, no.

No.

Going after customer X when you're making a game for customer Y means neither X or Y will be happy. So you ditch X because he's irrelevant and only adds pointless extra work for no extra gain.

OMG I am selling my PS3 because if this unimportant bullshit.

No. You're making the argument that we should add instances, battlegrounds, PvE servers, and wizards to EVE because right now, we're having a ton of lost sales by not having them.

GǪexcept that those are not lost sales GÇö they are not part of the customer base. CCP is going for customer type X; the willingness of customer type Y to buy the game isn't relevant, because they're not part of the target market. You know, they're not including a dish washer in Dust either, so that's a ton of lost sales to stay-at-home parents who would like to have one.

GǪbut are irrelevant.
GǪand that's why it's in every console FPSGǪ except for pretty much all of them.
So maybe you're missing some important detail in making your leap of logic from GÇ£easy to doGÇ¥ to GÇ£doneGÇ¥.

Its interesting to me that Eve players still think that CCP is making Dust for Eve Players.

Its a completely different game, for a completely different player, it has nothing to do with eve other than a shared universe. Its like comparing Stratego to WWIIOL.

CCP isn't looking to make Eve2. They are looking to make Halo in the eve context. Does the Console version of Halo allow standard keyboard movement (I really don't know, so if it does, don't flame me too much).

these players obviously exist.

GǪbut are irrelevant.

What is stopping you from learning how to effectively use a controller? The input method used for 99% of the PS3 games, they're not exactly complex. Controllers are also perfect for when you're not sitting at a desk, which I'd take a guess most PS3 players are not.

As for the PS Move, it has pros and cons. Sure aiming is improved, it's good for sniping and such but no way can you use it to effectively turn and orient as fast as a controller. Clearing a close quarters room with a PS Move puts you at a disadvantage. Controllers of course are the opposite, so they're balanced control methods. Keyboard and mouse gives you both superior aiming and turning speed, it would be preferable to controllers and the PS Move.

You are noticing, of course, that the generic keyboard and mouse is an additional cost, whereas a PS3 controller is not?

Yes, I would imagine most do provided it remains functional that long. And when they do replace it they get another controller. Why would I get a keyboard and mouse to replace a controller on a system where the vast majority of games can't use it?

You actually think most console FPSes support two controllers for a single player?
Or are you just being daft?

The fact remains: the keyboard is an additional cost that doesn't actually add any real additional usefulness, the PS3 controller is not.

So you're using a PS3 controller for EVE, then, because you want to reduce the wear and tear on your keyboard, right?

You haven't disassembled a modern keyboard (or a controller), have you?

Anyway, the question remains: why aren't you using a PS3 controller for EVE?

GǪand if they don't want the hassle of connecting or linking it back and forth, they will have to buy a new one for their PS3. In addition, unlike the PC, this M/KB needs to be wireless and needs to work stably in your lap and on the sofa.

So, in conclusion, your silly and utterly unrealistic re-use OCD doesn't change the fact that it's an additional cost for something that adds nothing useful and which isn't supported by anything else the console player owns. It is as sensible as you buying a PS3 controller to play EVE (and asking CCP to add keyboard support to Dust is about as sensible as asking them to add full DualShock 3 support to EVE).

Just because some irrelevant part of a completely different set of consumers would like it GÇö and even they only want it because they can't be arsed/are to ham-fisted to learn how to play the game with the controls that all other games on the platform uses and which all players of said platform already own at zero additional cost and zero additional effort GÇö doesn't mean that adding support for that fringe control scheme is in any way a good use of your time and resources. It's quite the opposite, in fact.

GǪoh, and as for your friends, since apparently it's not a problem to buy additional and unsupported control tech, you know that there are KB/M-driven controller emulators that they can buy.

They all work effectively. You will have the same movement range as a controller player, so there is no need to add any KB/M support and it automatically solves the balancing issue since there is no advantage to using a keyboard and mouse other than familiarity.

You see, you are still so clueless about development that you're missing out the important details in doing the leap from GÇ£easy to doGÇ¥ to GÇ£doneGÇ¥.
Nope. But please keep up your uninformed trolling, because it's level of ignorance about everything and complete lack of any coherent logic is hilarious.

Here's a hint: no-one mentioned sensitivity except you. Stop with the 'shrooms because you're hallucinating now (and that would explain the other silly things you've said so far).

But thank you for confirming your ignorance once more.

Next time, check up what said emulators actually do, and why they erase the balancing issues between KB/M and controllers.

There's been a console/PC FPS where people could play against each other. And you know what they did? They dumbed down the KB/M controls so you didn't really have an advantage over a Controller user. Yes the former is easily superior to the latter. THAT is the issue. A large many of console players WANT to use a controller. They DO NOT want to use a KB/M. If they had to to be able to compete at all, they would leave. And since they are the target audience, it's simple common sense why the function is disabled.

Secondary Accessories. Primary for PC is KB/M, primary for Console is Controller. Most games on each will be suited for that primary control method. Some games, yes, you will do better with a wheel or stick. But it's the mentality behind it. People like me, who won;t use a controller for an FPS, want the control it offers. But most console gamers want the more casual controller. And they want an even playing ground like most sane people would. In ANY case, you want them to allow a KB/M for a secondary audience. Except, regardless of your ranting, doing so would push away the target audience.

We can run around with this all day. You say they're babies for wanting a level playing field with the standard console controller. Yet you're not a baby for wanting them to unbalance said level playing field just to get you to play? I understand the desire to only ever use a KB/M, I really do. But you know what? If the game isn't to my liking, as are console FPS games, I do not play them. I don't rant up a storm on the forums about it. It's just like all the people who want MMOs tailored to THEIR playstyle. The game was not made for our kind, get over it.

GǪright back to the question of: why should they add something that GÇö with one exception GÇö no other game in the same genre on the same platform has felt the need to implement?

Why will Dust die from this lack when the others didn't?
Why should CCP waste money on appeasing customer type Y when they're going after customer type X?

But is it worth the considerable effort for such a minimal (and very uncertain) gain?

Again, why will Dust die from this lack when the others didn't?
Why should CCP waste money on appeasing customer type Y when they're going after customer type X?
What GÇ£againGÇ¥? You never answered the questions to begin with.

So, just like Dust then.

Chicken and egg. Do they keep skipping to the new iteration because a new iteration is constantly being released, or do they release new iteration to keep people playing? Regardless, Dust will do the iteration thing, so what's the problem?

This is a horrible thread.

It's like I'm watching Tippia being forced to punish a puppy because it won't stop peeing on the floor.

Pop quiz: Name all the sources of income available to DUST players.

I played FF14.

Games intended for a console don't work on the KB and mouse. I'd actually like to see CCP allow this so you could see how bad you suck using a KB and mouse but I can't ask them to waste money just to prove a point.

And lastly, yes, some items will only be available for cash initially... and then be able to be freely sold on the market for ISK.

Out of all of the income streams I mentioned, "this" is your answer?

Okay, it looks like you are running out of steam... so I'm out of this one for now.

I still play FFXIV. A console fps with the aim helpers and the like turned off would be just fine with a KB/M.

Still doesn't give any reason that CCP should give in to your wishes and possibly risk losing their target audience, which is a larger risk than you seem to think.

You seem to confuse your assumptions with reality.
You are making factual claims about things not even CCP seem to know about yet.

Yes, you will probably have to grind ISK in Dust to buy stuff, and you will probably haveto buy AUR to buy other things. But don't for a second presume to know what tou buy for which and how long it lasts. We don't even know what the game will cost (if anythinh) to buy. So kindly go shove your hallucinations and, again, lay off the 'shrooms.

SoGǪGǪjust like Dust then.

No. You had just claimed it without anything to back it up, as usual

This post is stupid and you should be depressed for being the one who made it.

Tippia never claimed that. YOU claimed they suck and would leave. No one said they would. Burden of proof lies with you, sir.

That very well maybe, doesn't change the fact that your OP is stupid and this example of your stupidity will exist on the internet forever.

Tippia still never claimed to, you can see this with the words used. Tippia even said that since the games not out there's plenty we do not know yet..

Battlefield 3 also doesn't require you pay 5 dollars to CCP every time you lose little flying command center.

So, just like Dust then.

Quick drop in to mention that after 7 pages of this bullcr*p, OP needs to shut the hell up for 30 seconds and listen to whats being said to him by almost everyone.

By allowing keyboard and mouse by choice, the shiny trademark shaped and easily recognisable smooth fancy controllers would be obsolete both in function and in form. Their function is as a game controller and would be totally non-competative against those with keyboards and high sensitivity twitch mice. Their form is as a recognisable trademark of the company itself, and allows the observer to know exactly what console someone is playing even without seeing it.

Most console FPS game developers i'm sure feel it's important to keep people on as level a playing field as possible, and that is the main reason behind limiting players to one kind of input device.

I feel that these points have been clearly demonstrated in a number of different ways throughout the many pages of this text by more people than you can shake a Catalyst at, and so i only re-post the info because OP does not seem to be "getting it".