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Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:17:00 -
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http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041
Quote:Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PCGÇÖs keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, itGÇÖs far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support.
Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there. |
Flakey Foont
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:18:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041 Quote:Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PCGÇÖs keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, itGÇÖs far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support. Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there.
The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play.
It's true.
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Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:20:00 -
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They just lost my sale, and I own consoles. So apparently you are wrong. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:21:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:Kuronaga wrote:http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041 Quote:Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PCGÇÖs keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, itGÇÖs far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support. Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there. The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play. It's true.
100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers? |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:23:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Flakey Foont wrote:Kuronaga wrote:http://www.dust514.com/en/news/?article=2041 Quote:Text chat is of course supported too. The PS3 supports standard USB and Bluetooth keyboards right out of the box and so we donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs unreasonable to expect that players will grab their PCGÇÖs keyboard for use in DUST 514. Believe me, itGÇÖs far easier than trying to use a software keyboard to keep up in a chat channel. The keyboard will be usable for chatting only. There will be no in-battle mouse + keyboard support. Grats. You just lost several sales over something that would have been ridiculously easy to implement. Good marketing strategy there. The console market is a different market. They don't use keyboards to play. It's true. 100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?
Flip on the "allow keyboard and mouse" switch, get paying customers.
Flip off the switch, lose paying customers.
Hmm, where have I see this before? oh yea, ship spinning. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:24:00 -
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My thoughts on this matter - link goes to penny arcade comic. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:25:00 -
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Its PS3 so that right off the bat loses my interest.
However, It is not fair to leave over no Keyboard and Mouse control. Those have a HUGE advantage over the controller on any FPS and frankly I can tell when people are using hardware hacks to use them (Which I consider cheating) in games such as Modern Warfare 3 and Halo.
It is the RIGHT decision! |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:27:00 -
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Be nice to have a dev explain the logic behind this. And don't you dare use the "its unfair to controller users" argument. People shell out hundreds of dollars on arcade sticks for fighting games, or cameras for kinect/PSmove games. I don't see how dropping a few bucks on a keyboard and mouse is any different. Nobody is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to use a controller.
Well actually, I take that back. Apparently you are. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:27:00 -
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Also remember ps3 was chosen over xbox for a variety of, Microsoft has a stick up its ass and wouldnt allow ccp to a variety of things that playstation would. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:30:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Its PS3 so that right off the bat loses my interest.
However, It is not fair to leave over no Keyboard and Mouse control. Those have a HUGE advantage over the controller on any FPS and frankly I can tell when people are using hardware hacks to use them (Which I consider cheating) in games such as Modern Warfare 3 and Halo.
It is the RIGHT decision!
And that is probably the logic behind it
10 of 10 K+M win over Controller
By allowing K+M control you just rule out Controller |
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Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:30:00 -
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It doesn't even matter which console its on, or the fact it even is a console -- the playstation 3 has keyboard and mouse support for first person shooters. It's been done before.
The decision to exclude it as a viable control option is baffling and simply lowers the games overall play value.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Its PS3 so that right off the bat loses my interest.
However, It is not fair to leave over no Keyboard and Mouse control. Those have a HUGE advantage over the controller on any FPS and frankly I can tell when people are using hardware hacks to use them (Which I consider cheating) in games such as Modern Warfare 3 and Halo.
It is the RIGHT decision! And that is probably the logic behind it 10 of 10 K+M win over Controller By allowing K+M control you just rule out Controller
Once again, nothing is stopping a person from going out and getting a cheap keyboard and mouse, or just using the one they already have attached to their computer.
You don't see fighting game fans bitching and complaining when they get beaten at a tournament by someone using an arcade stick. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:36:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers?
They're not interested in their current customer base for the obvious reason that they already have those customers GÇö it's a new game for a new set of customers on a new platform, so whether some completely unrelated group of people use keyboards is entirely irrelevant.
It's something rather different to radically alter your existing game with existing players to try to sucker in new people than to diversify and do something else. So if anything, they've learnt the right thing here: don't try to replace your customers, NGE-style GÇö attract new ones, Untold Legends-style.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:100% of CCP's current customer base use keyboards to play. What have CCP learnt over the last 6 months about foregoing their current customers on the potential promise of gaining new different customers? They're not interested in their current customer base for the obvious reason that they already have those customers GÇö it's a new game for a new set of customers on a new platform, so whether some completely unrelated group of people use keyboards is entirely irrelevant. It's something rather different to radically alter your existing game with existing players to try to sucker in new people than to diversify and do something else. So if anything, they've learnt the right thing here: don't try to replace your customers, NGE-style GÇö attract new ones, Untold Legends-style.
I've got about five friends who play first person shooters, but can't stand eve. They play first person shooters on PC normally, but they were interested in Dust because it was on PS3 and PS3 has keyboard and mouse support. Now, they've pretty much all lost interest.
Do you believe that cutting off such individuals for seemingly no positive trade off was in fact a sound business strategy? |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:44:00 -
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Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.
What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.
If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:45:00 -
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Ever watched those videos where people emulate or hack their PCs onto a console server? They absolutely slaughter them. If they aren't limited to controllers then they might as well be on computers.
Consoles are old and they are holding back the gaming industry.
Ideas and stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:46:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.
What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.
If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are.
I don't care if it's on PC or PS3. It's on PS3, which has keyboard and mouse support. I would like to use my keyboard and mouse.
It doesn't matter how good a game is if it controls like ****. |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:47:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Do you believe that cutting off such individuals for seemingly no positive trade off was in fact a sound business strategy? Cutting off people who don't play console FPSes from a console FPS isn't particularly strange, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Do you believe that cutting off such individuals for seemingly no positive trade off was in fact a sound business strategy? Cutting off people who don't play console FPSes from a console FPS isn't particularly strange, no.
And yet they still have managed to lose sales from one audience gained nothing in return.
So how is it a sound business strategy? |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:52:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Dust is a console game, to appeal to the console market.
What's so hard for you to get? I know you want it on your pc, but it's not that product. There are shooters for the PC if you want.
If you think tearing down dust will make it more likely you'll get it on the PC then I have news for you ... you're about to be more butt hurt than you already are. I don't care if it's on PC or PS3. It's on PS3, which has keyboard and mouse support. I would like to use my keyboard and mouse. It doesn't matter how good a game is if it controls like ****.
It is a sad reality of the console medium that a keyboard is WAY better than a controller, although your typical console player wants to grab his controller and play. Those who want the rolls royce play PC shooters.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:53:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:And yet they still have managed to lose sales No.
Quote:So how is it a sound business strategy? Going after customer X when you're making a game for customer Y means neither X or Y will be happy. So you ditch X because he's irrelevant and only adds pointless extra work for no extra gain.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:57:00 -
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Yes. Five people that I know myself personally, and plenty of others I'm sure. Simply saying "no" doesn't make it so, Tippia. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but these players obviously exist.
Quote:Going after customer X when you're making a game for customer Y means neither X or Y will be happy. So you ditch X because he's irrelevant and only adds pointless extra work for no extra gain.
PS3 already has keyboard and mouse support. This isn't something that is difficult to code into the game, at any stage of development.
Furthermore, console gamers are largely stupid to begin with. Some of them actually believe they have the advantage on a controller, and rest of them probably already own a keyboard and mouse. It's not exactly unheard of. |
Mathilde D'Arc
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:59:00 -
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OMG I am selling my PS3 because if this unimportant bullshit. |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:01:00 -
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Mathilde D'Arc wrote:OMG I am selling my PS3 because if this unimportant bullshit.
OMG I am selling my xbox 360 because of your unimportant post. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:03:00 -
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And i will sell my Porsche, but i dont have one 
Also maybe they managed to make controller actually great thing to play with in DUST 514  |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:04:00 -
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Furthermore, what about that stupid toy gun looking thing people use to play killzone?
It's ok to use that crap, but its unfair for someone to use a keyboard and mouse? what? |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:07:00 -
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I couldn't be happier to hear that there will be no KB + mouse control for Dust. Wooohoo! Controllers FTW.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:08:00 -
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No. You're making the argument that we should add instances, battlegrounds, PvE servers, and wizards to EVE because right now, we're having a ton of lost sales by not having them.
GǪexcept that those are not lost sales GÇö they are not part of the customer base. CCP is going for customer type X; the willingness of customer type Y to buy the game isn't relevant, because they're not part of the target market. You know, they're not including a dish washer in Dust either, so that's a ton of lost sales to stay-at-home parents who would like to have one.
Quote:these players obviously exist. GǪbut are irrelevant.
Quote:PS3 already has keyboard and mouse support. This isn't something that is difficult to code into the game, at any stage of development. GǪand that's why it's in every console FPSGǪ except for pretty much all of them. 
So maybe you're missing some important detail in making your leap of logic from GÇ£easy to doGÇ¥ to GÇ£doneGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:10:00 -
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Most people on the PS3 play with with a controller, Dust is aimed at those people.
By providing keyboard and mouse support those people would be forced to to use keyboard and mouse to remain competitive... thing is those people don't use a keyboard and mouse, most of them won't even know how for an FPS game. Why should they have to learn a completely new control method that is unsupported by every other game on their system?
It would be like a console player buying a PC FPS and asking everyone else to use controllers just because they don't want to learn how to use keyboard and mouse. |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:11:00 -
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Kuronaga wrote:
Furthermore, console gamers are largely stupid to begin with. [/i].
Then we should all stop listening to you now, since you're an admitted console player...
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
(The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Kuronaga
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No. You're making the argument that we should add instances, battlegrounds, PvE servers, and wizards to EVE because right now, we're having a ton of lost sales by not having them. GǪexcept that those are not lost sales GÇö they are not part of the customer base. CCP is going for customer type X; the willingness of customer type Y to buy the game isn't relevant, because they're not part of the target market. You know, they're not including a dish washer in Dust either, so that's a ton of lost sales to stay-at-home parents who would like to have one. Quote:these players obviously exist. GǪbut are irrelevant. Quote:PS3 already has keyboard and mouse support. This isn't something that is difficult to code into the game, at any stage of development. GǪand that's why it's in every console FPSGǪ except for pretty much all of them. So maybe you're missing some important detail in making your leap of logic from GÇ£easy to doGÇ¥ to GÇ£doneGÇ¥.
Yea, a few lines of code to make the system recognize a certain type of input that's already supported by the system itself, man that's some hard stuff right there. Those poor chinese developers just can't take the workload.
Also I'm failing to see how this is making a negative impact on controller gamers. What is stopping them from using a keyboard and mouse themselves, exactly? I hardly see how this is game breaking to them. In this day and age im pretty sure just about every household has a keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere if they are really that desperate to balance the scales.
And let's flip the arguement for a second -- Is it fair for me, as a "controller" user, to have to play against someone with the PSmove equipment? Why, it's all that money, and they can actually AIM better! That's just not fair! |
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