I really think eve could benefit from some sort of skill point grinding system. However it should be limited in how many points per day you could gain, so it wasn't mandatory, but it could give new players something to "work for" until they get the ropes better.

I think Active skills would be the best way to do it, so guns and missile skill points are learned while being used, in addition to the normal training. Again, only a few thousand points per day (good training now is 2800 pts per hour)

no, just no. Eve is great because its the only game that doesnt have a gaytarded leveling system.

Eve's skill training system is pretty unique.

Sure an experience style system makes some sense. Rewards people for playing the game more rather than just logging in to change skill queues. Less of an issue since they removed ghost training.

If implemented without restrictions there'd be a lot of vets who wish to maintain their SP advantage and the flexibility that comes from that. Secondly it would be days before botting programs were adapted and characters churned out en masse to be sold on the bazaar.

Even if implemented in a restricted form it would be seen as pretty much mandatory to log in and actively train your character each day. Reminds me of power hour in Ultima Online where you'd log in each character for an hour and run your macros to take advantage of the skill training boost.

That used to be in beta. When cunning individual where spending the night shooting roids with a civilian railgun CCP decided that's not the route to take.

What makes you say it would be mandatory? I was thinking of it more of a thing for those who chose to take advantage of it, and like I said it wouldn't be much. Certainly nothing worth changing the way you play for. Just something to reward those who do play. It wouldn't shave thousands upon thousands of hours off of your training time. Just a few minutes on lower level skills and maybe a few hours on the longer ones. Nothing spectacular.

I really think eve could benefit from some sort of skill point grinding system

Then I am thankful, that it is not up to you.

Well sure, if it's 1000 sp a day for one skill it wouldn't be much. However every min/maxer would still be training that every day.

Another advantage of pure time based training is that it encourages new players to go out and put the skills they've learnt into practice rather than just grinding them with blinkers on until they've achieved some sort of minimum template.

Was it time for the "let's make Eve more like WoW" thread already? I thought it wasn't due until next week.

I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it.

It would not work because there are plenty of skills that do not have an action associated with. How would you XP-up Corp skills? By shooting POS guns all day at a dread is siege? The bots wont care ofc. In fact they would love it.

Unfortunately (or fortunately if a person is against this sort of thing) this would be a ridiculous boost to botting.

A person can start their bot, and not only make ISK but train extra SP in their target area.


That is my reason to not support it.

Gosh you people really don't think outside the box here do you?

1. Civilian modules would be restricted.

2. Weapon skills would actually require you to be in combat with a ship, not a rock.

3. Like someone already suggested, there could be daily limits.

I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it.

Nothing major but I was thinking it'd be really cool if when you were training a specific skill, you could get a little bit of extra SP each time you used whatever that skill was for. So like if you were training Drones and you used your drones to perform a task you'd get a little sp for it, but ONLY if that was the skill that was actively training.

Obviously it wouldn't be much but it'd be something to give the people that actually do play the game a little edge over those people that just log in, queue skills, and log off and it might even give those people a reason to actually play vs afking. Of course the current mechanics wouldn't change at all, just something to add on top of it.

Is this a cool idea or am I just dumb?

So because it couldn't work on all skills, it shouldn't be available for any.. that makes sense I guess. Case closed! Sorry for being so sarcastic tonight but damn. I didn't think one thread could attract so much stupid. I completely respect valid arguments, like Disdaine, you can at least tell she's thinking, but this is just sad.

No and no and no and no. And I mean no.

EVE is almost unique in that it won't reward level grinding and so a casual player can be as skill-proficent as a guy who only unhooks for downtime.

Change that and kiss EVE goodbye.

I actually wonder wether the OP is trolling us, honestly.

Gosh you people really don't think outside the box here do you?

1. Civilian modules would be restricted.

2. Weapon skills would actually require you to be in combat with a ship, not a rock.

3. Like someone already suggested, there could be daily limits.

I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it.

It was like this in 2003. It got exploited to hell and back by virtually the entire server population.

Not going to happen again. Ever.

What makes you say it would be mandatory?

I was about to say that I remembered it used to have something like this back in 2003. The irony was the gameplay documentation was so bad virtually nobody knew about it :)

I (for example) only really developed my mechanics skill by swapping cargo expanders for overdrives at either end of a plutonium run and didn't realize what was going on till much later.

But its a bit of a crappy idea. Once you know how to trigger xp reward its always exploitable. Look at how many cheesy things people are doing in Skyrim to level their abilities.

I was about to say that I remembered it used to have something like this back in 2003. The irony was the gameplay documentation was so bad virtually nobody knew about it :)

I (for example) only really developed my mechanics skill by swapping cargo expanders for overdrives at either end of a plutonium run and didn't realize what was going on till much later.

But its a bit of a crappy idea. Once you know how to trigger xp reward its always exploitable. Look at how many cheesy things people are doing in Skyrim to level their abilities.

Funny how people propose a system that has already been tried and dismissed. Maybe we should get some suggestion on super highways going again.

The classic was the Afterburner skill. I'm pretty certain that nobody in 2003 actually used the (current) training system to get that past L2.

Amusingly I told you about the system way back in Phoenix Alliance days (my alt was a RKK director then, rented their first Venal office). I remember your plutonium runs well :)

I was about to say that I remembered it used to have something like this back in 2003. The irony was the gameplay documentation was so bad virtually nobody knew about it :)

I (for example) only really developed my mechanics skill by swapping cargo expanders for overdrives at either end of a plutonium run and didn't realize what was going on till much later.
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Well that's a very well thought out and persuasive post you've got there. I know it convinced me!

Nothing major but I was thinking it'd be really cool if when you were training a specific skill, you could get a little bit of extra SP each time you used whatever that skill was for. So like if you were training Drones and you used your drones to perform a task you'd get a little sp for it, but ONLY if that was the skill that was actively training.

Obviously it wouldn't be much but it'd be something to give the people that actually do play the game a little edge over those people that just log in, queue skills, and log off and it might even give those people a reason to actually play vs afking. Of course the current mechanics wouldn't change at all, just something to add on top of it.

Is this a cool idea or am I just dumb?

no, just no. Eve is great because its the only game that doesnt have a gaytarded leveling system.

80 days till i can fly a sleipnir!!! -___-


This doesnt retain new players in any way shape or form.

Why is it that so many wants to remove everything that is unique from EVE and replace it with everything that is bad in other MMO (e.g. XP grind, MT, voluntary PvP etc.)? Lack of imagination?

Nothing major but I was thinking it'd be really cool if when you were training a specific skill, you could get a little bit of extra SP each time you used whatever that skill was for. So like if you were training Drones and you used your drones to perform a task you'd get a little sp for it, but ONLY if that was the skill that was actively training.

Obviously it wouldn't be much but it'd be something to give the people that actually do play the game a little edge over those people that just log in, queue skills, and log off and it might even give those people a reason to actually play vs afking. Of course the current mechanics wouldn't change at all, just something to add on top of it.

Is this a cool idea or am I just dumb?

So because it couldn't work on all skills, it shouldn't be available for any.. that makes sense I guess. Case closed! Sorry for being so sarcastic tonight but damn. I didn't think one thread could attract so much stupid. I completely respect valid arguments, like Disdaine, you can at least tell she's thinking, but this is just sad.

200th time I've seen this said.

200th time I've said "I'd just afk all day in a Apoc shooting a roid to level Large Pulse Spec to 5 for the shiggles"

I didn't think one thread could attract so much stupid.

3. It wouldn't stop all you afkers from afking, you're still gonna get your sp. I'm just gonna have a little more(like and hour more!)
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The difference between a +4 and a +5 implant is about 80mil ISK or more. That's how much people are willing to shell out for an hour.

Well that's a very well thought out and persuasive post you've got there. I know it convinced me!

There are those who say put this on the crew, so when crew dies you lose thier experince they provided.

But you have to think about how much time that 80 million isk is actually worth, not the time that the implant shaves off. Basically you're trading 30 minutes worth of isk for an hour worth of training. Good trade IMO. This system would be trading 3 hours worth of time for 5 minutes worth.

On the other hand, if you make it actually useful. Perhaps I save a day or two...now you have a problem. Now it becomes NECESSARY to do that grind I just described. EvE becomes a ******* NPC grind fest.

I'm a dumbass

Here is your one mistake, if you would'vejust realized this, you would've saved yourself about 100 lines of text. You're ASSUMING that you would HAVE to grind for it and completely ignoring the fact that it would just be something to supplement the way you do play the game.

That, or people will just fly out into safespots with friends and shoot at each others' tanks afk, like in Tibia.

90% Ad hominems, 10% actual argumentation

Actually, my mistake was taking you seriously and treating you like an intelligent individual when all evidence pointed to the contrary.

What's it like being that stupid? I've always been incredibly curious but none of you stupid people will tell me. I imagine it must be sort of like when I'm super drunk or haven't slept for like 2 weeks or something....but one can never know until someone's willing to describe it.

Anyway, don't really expect an answer here either. Good luck with your brilliant plan. I hope that it gets all the attention that it deserves.

Ooo ad hominem, I should've expected as much from someone like you. I'll take that as you admitting defeat?

It wouldn't have to be either of those. Negligible in the short term, yes. In the long term it would = out to days worth of sp, but not so much that it would be worth wasting time in the short term to grind it out.

Anybody that replied to this guy like he was serious got trolled.

In other words, "I want both and am pretending that's possible."

Hmmm... now that could actually work...

Crew could develop certain bonuses over time. This would probably not be skill advancement increases, but something that can stack with skills - akin to rigs. It'd probably mainly be module activation cycle bonuses, capacitor usage, etc.

Larger ships would have more "crew slots" allowing you to have bigger bonuses or more different ones - like rigs.

If the ship is destroyed, the crew is lost. (like rigs... just kidding, I'll stop now) Or they have a very low chance of dropping as loot or salvage. Perhaps a 5%-20% chance for each "crew unit" dropping "intact" with its accrued skill, and/or a chance to produce a blank "crew unit" from salvaging a wreck.

If the crew is inactive for a certain period of time, it begins to lose its bonus, dwindling down to a blank slate.

Crew units would be tradeable on a personnel market. This would flatten the playing field, allowing people not interested in grinding to acquire the elite crews as well.

I kinda like parts about this. Take out the crew dropping as loot, or being able to sell the ship or crew members on the market or contracts. If you repackage or contract it the crew bonus gets set to 0.

You can build your crew up and in turn they will get better flying the ship. Maybe boost the ships resistances slightly the more your shot, boost the weapon damage the more you shoot, or any of the other attributes pertaining to that ship. Once you lose the ship you lose your crew with there bonuses.

I can see people building up ratting ships and saving them, but as long as the bonus is minimal it could be fun.

no, just no. Eve is great because its the only game that doesnt have a gaytarded leveling system.

Did you actually come here to say something constructive or are you just trolling?

Guys, guys...what Eve really needs is Night Elves!

Actually, my mistake was taking you seriously and treating you like an intelligent individual when all evidence pointed to the contrary.

What's it like being that stupid? I've always been incredibly curious but none of you stupid people will tell me. I imagine it must be sort of like when I'm super drunk or haven't slept for like 2 weeks or something....but one can never know until someone's willing to describe it.

Anyway, don't really expect an answer here either. Good luck with your brilliant plan. I hope that it gets all the attention that it deserves.

Sure it does. I don't know a single new player that can make 3M per day without help. Nor do I know of any brand players that are blind enough to think that they should be able to fly every ship on day 1.

When I was new, I decided that one day I would fly a Machariel. It took me about a year, but eventually I bought one. Goals are what gets people to stay, not what drives them off.

IF this were to be implemented, I would do it as a separate system from the skillbooks. Skills would stay the same, you just add another layer of bonuses on top. Put a cap on it, so people can't just grind into infinity. Do a talent type system where you get cool little bonuses that might make you fly a little faster or shoot a little harder. Make it so you can wipe it and start over. Would require careful balancing, and CCP already has their handful on that. Plus, one of the most unique things about EVE is that it doesn't have a system like that, so i'm inclined to leave it that way.

Could Eve benifit from an experience system?

Nothing major but I was thinking it'd be really cool if when you were training a specific skill, you could get a little bit of extra SP each time you used whatever that skill was for. So like if you were training Drones and you used your drones to perform a task you'd get a little sp for it, but ONLY if that was the skill that was actively training.

Obviously it wouldn't be much but it'd be something to give the people that actually do play the game a little edge over those people that just log in, queue skills, and log off and it might even give those people a reason to actually play vs afking. Of course the current mechanics wouldn't change at all, just something to add on top of it.

Is this a cool idea or am I just dumb?

Nothing major but I was thinking it'd be really cool if when you were training a specific skill, you could get a little bit of extra SP each time you used whatever that skill was for. So like if you were training Drones and you used your drones to perform a task you'd get a little sp for it, but ONLY if that was the skill that was actively training.

Obviously it wouldn't be much but it'd be something to give the people that actually do play the game a little edge over those people that just log in, queue skills, and log off and it might even give those people a reason to actually play vs afking. Of course the current mechanics wouldn't change at all, just something to add on top of it.

Is this a cool idea or am I just dumb?

The inflexibility of the SP system isn't as cool as you all think it is and it doesn't define EVE in greater scope at all.

I've been barking about making the SP system less rigid for a while now and I can only see the net positives to it, especially when it comes to potential new player retention.

Sensing someone like the skillpoint system from "that robot game"?

Could Eve benifit from an experience system?

I think you're talking about perpetuum or whatever it was called, I didn't play it.