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Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:32:00 -
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Nothing major but I was thinking it'd be really cool if when you were training a specific skill, you could get a little bit of extra SP each time you used whatever that skill was for. So like if you were training Drones and you used your drones to perform a task you'd get a little sp for it, but ONLY if that was the skill that was actively training.
Obviously it wouldn't be much but it'd be something to give the people that actually do play the game a little edge over those people that just log in, queue skills, and log off and it might even give those people a reason to actually play vs afking. Of course the current mechanics wouldn't change at all, just something to add on top of it.
Is this a cool idea or am I just dumb? |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:37:00 -
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I really think eve could benefit from some sort of skill point grinding system. However it should be limited in how many points per day you could gain, so it wasn't mandatory, but it could give new players something to "work for" until they get the ropes better.
I think Active skills would be the best way to do it, so guns and missile skill points are learned while being used, in addition to the normal training. Again, only a few thousand points per day (good training now is 2800 pts per hour) Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |

Landrae
Blood Angel Asylum
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:39:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:I really think eve could benefit from some sort of skill point grinding system. However it should be limited in how many points per day you could gain, so it wasn't mandatory, but it could give new players something to "work for" until they get the ropes better.
I think Active skills would be the best way to do it, so guns and missile skill points are learned while being used, in addition to the normal training. Again, only a few thousand points per day (good training now is 2800 pts per hour)
no, just no. Eve is great because its the only game that doesnt have a gaytarded leveling system. Boltorano > Freaking Landrae, how does he work?
Roses are red, Violets are blue, I have a gun, Get in the van. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:44:00 -
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Landrae wrote:no, just no. Eve is great because its the only game that doesnt have a gaytarded leveling system.
Well that's a very well thought out and persuasive post you've got there. I know it convinced me!
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First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:45:00 -
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Yes we should have skills that we can improve. |

Disdaine
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:46:00 -
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Eve's skill training system is pretty unique.
Sure an experience style system makes some sense. Rewards people for playing the game more rather than just logging in to change skill queues. Less of an issue since they removed ghost training.
If implemented without restrictions there'd be a lot of vets who wish to maintain their SP advantage and the flexibility that comes from that. Secondly it would be days before botting programs were adapted and characters churned out en masse to be sold on the bazaar.
Even if implemented in a restricted form it would be seen as pretty much mandatory to log in and actively train your character each day. Reminds me of power hour in Ultima Online where you'd log in each character for an hour and run your macros to take advantage of the skill training boost. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 03:56:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Eve's skill training system is pretty unique.
Sure an experience style system makes some sense. Rewards people for playing the game more rather than just logging in to change skill queues. Less of an issue since they removed ghost training.
If implemented without restrictions there'd be a lot of vets who wish to maintain their SP advantage and the flexibility that comes from that. Secondly it would be days before botting programs were adapted and characters churned out en masse to be sold on the bazaar.
Even if implemented in a restricted form it would be seen as pretty much mandatory to log in and actively train your character each day. Reminds me of power hour in Ultima Online where you'd log in each character for an hour and run your macros to take advantage of the skill training boost.
What makes you say it would be mandatory? I was thinking of it more of a thing for those who chose to take advantage of it, and like I said it wouldn't be much. Certainly nothing worth changing the way you play for. Just something to reward those who do play. It wouldn't shave thousands upon thousands of hours off of your training time. Just a few minutes on lower level skills and maybe a few hours on the longer ones. Nothing spectacular. |

gfldex
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:04:00 -
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That used to be in beta. When cunning individual where spending the night shooting roids with a civilian railgun CCP decided that's not the route to take. Merry crisis and a happy new fear! |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:11:00 -
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gfldex wrote:That used to be in beta. When cunning individual where spending the night shooting roids with a civilian railgun CCP decided that's not the route to take.
Gosh you people really don't think outside the box here do you?
1. Civilian modules would be restricted.
2. Weapon skills would actually require you to be in combat with a ship, not a rock.
3. Like someone already suggested, there could be daily limits.
I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:14:00 -
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It sounds cool, but its not important, not needed. so...
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:14:00 -
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Basically you benefit from active playing, you will get more isk by doing something productive.
It is not skill points that matter on EVE, it is knowing what to do and experience comes only by doing something in EVE, so there is system you proposed, it is not skill points for your char but it is hidden skill point for you ! |

Disdaine
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:15:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote: What makes you say it would be mandatory? I was thinking of it more of a thing for those who chose to take advantage of it, and like I said it wouldn't be much. Certainly nothing worth changing the way you play for. Just something to reward those who do play. It wouldn't shave thousands upon thousands of hours off of your training time. Just a few minutes on lower level skills and maybe a few hours on the longer ones. Nothing spectacular.
Well sure, if it's 1000 sp a day for one skill it wouldn't be much. However every min/maxer would still be training that every day.
Eve is one of the few games where player skill can trump character skill once you've got the basics. Another advantage of pure time based training is that it encourages new players to go out and put the skills they've learnt into practice rather than just grinding them with blinkers on until they've achieved some sort of minimum template.
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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:25:00 -
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Quote:I really think eve could benefit from some sort of skill point grinding system
Morpheus wrote:Then I am thankful, that it is not up to you.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |

Killie
Loki's Marauders Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:29:00 -
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if it has daily limits I suppose there isn't a problem.... but try out a darkfall trial and go into a clan's city... you hear tons of spells going off people shooting arrows all kinds of crap, but nobody is actually logged in. Just botting skills. I honestly prefer eve's method, but I wish there was a way for newbs to catch up with vets in sp. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:31:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:Well sure, if it's 1000 sp a day for one skill it wouldn't be much. However every min/maxer would still be training that every day.
Well that's very true but I'm not getting exactly what the point is here.. like what exactly would be wrong with that?
Quote:Another advantage of pure time based training is that it encourages new players to go out and put the skills they've learnt into practice rather than just grinding them with blinkers on until they've achieved some sort of minimum template.
And while they're putting that skill into practice, they could also be actually learning that skil! It only makes sense. You practice mining, you get better at it. If anything being able to learn a skill slightly faster is going to be more freeing than the point you're trying to make.
Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:I really think eve could benefit from some sort of skill point grinding system Morpheus wrote:Then I am thankful, that it is not up to you.
Did you actually come here to say something constructive or are you just trolling?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:40:00 -
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Was it time for the "let's make Eve more like WoW" thread already? I thought it wasn't due until next week. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:43:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Was it time for the "let's make Eve more like WoW" thread already? I thought it wasn't due until next week.
I'm confused as to how this is anything like WoW...
Maybe we should get rid of the market because it's remotely similar to another MMO!! (Just so you could get a little perspective on how stupid your logic is.) |

gfldex
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:55:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it.
It would not work because there are plenty of skills that do not have an action associated with. How would you XP-up Corp skills? By shooting POS guns all day at a dread is siege? The bots wont care ofc. In fact they would love it.
Merry crisis and a happy new fear! |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 04:58:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it. It would not work because there are plenty of skills that do not have an action associated with. How would you XP-up Corp skills? By shooting POS guns all day at a dread is siege? The bots wont care ofc. In fact they would love it.
So because it couldn't work on all skills, it shouldn't be available for any.. that makes sense I guess. Case closed! Sorry for being so sarcastic tonight but damn. I didn't think one thread could attract so much stupid. I completely respect valid arguments, like Disdaine, you can at least tell she's thinking, but this is just sad. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
107
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Posted - 2011.12.23 05:34:00 -
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Unfortunately (or fortunately if a person is against this sort of thing) this would be a ridiculous boost to botting.
A person can start their bot, and not only make ISK but train extra SP in their target area.
That is my reason to not support it. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.23 05:34:00 -
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You guys should have just have taken the free gift remap, would solve all your problems. |

Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.23 05:35:00 -
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Absolutely not. |

Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:18:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Unfortunately (or fortunately if a person is against this sort of thing) this would be a ridiculous boost to botting.
A person can start their bot, and not only make ISK but train extra SP in their target area.
That is my reason to not support it.
Thanks for actually having a reason for your opinion, but honestly botting is something that shouldn't even be IN the game. It should not even be a concern when adding something to the game. The fact that it is just shows that CCP just needs to crack down on botting and getting it under control.
It is a very valid point though with the state of the game, although it shouldn't even be a concern.
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Ioci
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:23:00 -
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Yea, I like it. We can call them Implants. |

Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:35:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:gfldex wrote:That used to be in beta. When cunning individual where spending the night shooting roids with a civilian railgun CCP decided that's not the route to take. Gosh you people really don't think outside the box here do you? 1. Civilian modules would be restricted. 2. Weapon skills would actually require you to be in combat with a ship, not a rock. 3. Like someone already suggested, there could be daily limits. I still think it seems really cool and can't think of a thing wrong with it.
The problem is there's no way to do it that's not exploitable.
The real issue is that there's two phases to skill training:
1) The first 3-4M SPs where you can't really do anything and just suck all around 2) All the SPs you get after that, which open up new shiptypes (or maybe other stuff like industry, if that's your thing) but don't make what you already have any better. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
668
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:46:00 -
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There are those who say put this on the crew, so when crew dies you lose thier experince they provided.
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FastJack316
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.23 06:57:00 -
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On the subject of letting newer players match older players in sp, there's already a method for that; the thriving market in resale of characters.
If a new player is sufficiently driven and talented to make or scam several billion isk they can go ahead and buy their way up. |

Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2011.12.23 07:52:00 -
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First Lieutenant Dan wrote: Thank god it has subtitles. |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.23 07:58:00 -
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WTB 5 mil SP gift from ccp. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.12.23 07:59:00 -
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No it couldn't because such a system cannot be applied with any balance to the complex skill system of EVE and only serves to promote and reinforce stupid behaviour. It would distract people with grinding rather than actuall playing the game.
In fact, a mechanic to that effect was removed for that very reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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