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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:19:00 -
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Why is raising sec status such a soul destroying chore?
after 2 hours of mind numbing NPCing I am 0.1 higher, I would sooner self-harm than click the F keys again and watch another f****** red cross explode
Bring back the bribable concord agent.... or something.... ANYTHING
PS - yes i know I'm -5 because I was a bad boy, but this is a game, and i need it to be fun pls
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:20:00 -
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I think possibly plex rats give a higher sec rating boost than asteroid rats.
Also, did you kill any ppl while ratting? That might be it.
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Quantium Arklight
Menzies' Bastards
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:22:00 -
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where are you ratting? i spent a few hours in 0.0 space and went from a -0.2 to a 0.3
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Quantium Arklight
where are you ratting? i spent a few hours in 0.0 space and went from a -0.2 to a 0.3
right, well i am -5 so think about it... to get to 0.3 would take me about 24 hours non-stop npcing
ITS WORSE THAN DEATH ITSELF
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Quantium Arklight
Menzies' Bastards
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Quantium Arklight
where are you ratting? i spent a few hours in 0.0 space and went from a -0.2 to a 0.3
right, well i am -5 so think about it... to get to 0.3 would take me about 24 hours non-stop npcing
ITS WORSE THAN DEATH ITSELF
ouch a -5.0 bad boy.. just do a little ratting a day, you'll chip away at it slowly but you won't go as nuts
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Alumion
Asteroid Preserve Patrol
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Alumion on 25/03/2007 21:31:05
I'm -7.6 
I wanted to fix it once, got as far as -6.3, then couldn't resist destroying 2 ships and podding the pilots
Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life For Me
Fixing my sec status clearly shouldn't be
this hard
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:37:00 -
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Good saying, if you cant do the time dont do the crime. Ive been -6 something, and ive been forced to get it up again ;)
It was worth it :D
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Veto1024
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
PS - yes i know I'm -5 because I was a bad boy, but this is a game, and i need it to be fun pls
You had your fun killing other players.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:40:00 -
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Dont pod everything in sight, sorry no pity here.
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Alumion
Asteroid Preserve Patrol
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:42:00 -
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That SQUISH sound is worth it
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Lost Troll
Caldari
LUBE INC.
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Posted - 2007.03.25 21:58:00 -
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You may want to train Fast Talk, and that's if it still not broke. 
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.25 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
PS - yes i know I'm -5 because I was a bad boy, but this is a game, and i need it to be fun pls
Well yes it's a game, but it's a game where you got your fun wrecking other people's stuff. Seems fair.
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The Slayer
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.25 22:23:00 -
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My ex-corpie went from -10 to -1.4 in about 3 days. That was 3 days of 8 hour ratting mind. Do the crime, do the time :D
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MeestaPenni
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alumion
Edited by: Alumion on 25/03/2007 21:39:47
Edited by: Alumion on 25/03/2007 21:31:05
I'm -7.6
I wanted to fix it once, got as far as -6.3, then couldn't resist destroying 2 ships and podding the pilots
Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life For Me
edit - lines removed as they made me look like I still want to fix my sec 
I pirate I like!!
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.03.25 22:28:00 -
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train fast talk to 5 it helps bi
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MotoTsume
Gallente
Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: MotoTsume on 25/03/2007 22:31:44
Edited by: MotoTsume on 25/03/2007 22:31:29
Like The Slayer said;
If you cant do the time, dont do the crime
if I was a Dev you would be taking even longer to get that bit of a jump in rating
Now having said that, I have played other online games where Pkers or pirates or what ever they might be called in the game can do dangerous quests to loose the karma or negative rating they have gained from Pking, Piracy, etc.
Might be a way for CCP to go, have some agents that aren't easy to find nor get to that can hand out missions that are vere tough and would raise negative sec ratings byu more than ratting now does.
Just a thought 
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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SupaFlyTNT
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Alumion
That SQUISH sound is worth it
Exactly
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Tissaphernes
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: MotoTsume
Edited by: MotoTsume on 25/03/2007 22:31:44
Edited by: MotoTsume on 25/03/2007 22:31:29
Like The Slayer said;
If you cant do the time, dont do the crime
if I was a Dev you would be taking even longer to get that bit of a jump in rating
Now having said that, I have played other online games where Pkers or pirates or what ever they might be called in the game can do dangerous quests to loose the karma or negative rating they have gained from Pking, Piracy, etc.
Might be a way for CCP to go, have some agents that aren't easy to find nor get to that can hand out missions that are vere tough and would raise negative sec ratings byu more than ratting now does.
Just a thought
Perhaps if you could do penal missions that didn't reward you at all except for an increase to your sec status, that would be a good idea. In a sense you'd be sacrificing the monetary and material gains for security status gains.
Personally, my main used to be -5.0. It sucked, but it seemed fair to put in the time bringing his sec back up. After all, I did wee on a lot of people's bonfires.
I think the only thing that is unfair is that the sec status drop and subsequent (optional) regain is much tougher on newer players. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: MotoTsume
Edited by: MotoTsume on 25/03/2007 22:31:44
Edited by: MotoTsume on 25/03/2007 22:31:29
Like The Slayer said;
If you cant do the time, dont do the crime
if I was a Dev you would be taking even longer to get that bit of a jump in rating
Now having said that, I have played other online games where Pkers or pirates or what ever they might be called in the game can do dangerous quests to loose the karma or negative rating they have gained from Pking, Piracy, etc.
Might be a way for CCP to go, have some agents that aren't easy to find nor get to that can hand out missions that are vere tough and would raise negative sec ratings byu more than ratting now does.
Just a thought
There is something sililar:
with exploration you can find some CONCORD agent.
As failing the missions(I failed it) reduce your security status, completing it with success should increase your sec. statut.
The only dubt is if you can speak with CONCORD with sec status -2 or worse
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.03.25 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 25/03/2007 23:44:57
Don't think about it as a "have to get it to +0.6!"
Think of it as, umm, collecting ISK for a treat day, or...err...civil service instead of jail...ah pooie...
I have two solutions for this:
A: All the ISK you make(is registered in the wallet) between TWO standing lowering thingies(in certain time limit) is the cost of bringing back your security status. So basicly you're paying back to society what you earned from your nortynes(it's a word!).
Or my fav, B: You do hard time. Your character is stripped of implants, jumpclones included, and you sit a number of days in jail. Say, 1 day for for -1.0
Originally by: Curzon Dax
1. I am not singing Ducktales.
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Lilian Long
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lilian Long on 26/03/2007 00:03:18
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Or my fav, B: You do hard time. Your character is stripped of implants, jumpclones included, and you sit a number of days in jail. Say, 1 day for for -1.0
Jails are stupid. I've beta-tested another game and thought I try out pirating. Got put in jail for two hours online time, before I knew, what happened.
Well, I made a new char to avoid that stupid jail and now I haven't played it for a few months.
I don't play 'pvp' games that try to teach pvp'ers not to kill other players. It's stupid, since I'm there to fight other players in the 1st place and not to get 'turned' into a carebear by force.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:18:00 -
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I think the issue with security status is this:
I agree, if you do the crime, do the time, yadda yadda. The problem is that the TIME is horribly disproportionate to the CRIME.
You can drop from 0 to -10 in a day or two if you really go mad pirating. And you don't even need a huge ship to do it.
Can you go back up in a day? No, and you can only go back up in three days or longer if you have a big powerful ship AND access to 0.0 to kill the bs spawns.
Now please don't come at me with "but if you murder someone IRL you have to spend the rest of your life in jail!". This is not life. It's supposed to be fun even if you kill people for a living for a while.
My situation, for example, is this: I fly frigates. The largest ship I've flown is a battlecruiser. But I don't have access to 0.0 and I no longer have that bc. This leaves me stuck killing rats in 0.2 in my interceptor. Yes I can kill a dual-bc spawn in it, but it takes a half hour, and every time someone enters system I have to be right prepared to safespot immediately as I'm in dangerous space.
At the rate I'm going, I will never return to high-sec. I'm only -7.7 and yet, I am in for a lot of not-fun playing if I want to be allowed in high sec again.
Becoming a pirate/PvPer should not mean jumping down a hole that you can't climb out of. Sure, jumping into a pool that you have to swim a while to leave is fine, but the current system allows only the priveleged to regain sec status within a reasonable amount of time. And even then it's not that reasonable.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lilian Long
Edited by: Lilian Long on 26/03/2007 00:03:18
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Or my fav, B: You do hard time. Your character is stripped of implants, jumpclones included, and you sit a number of days in jail. Say, 1 day for for -1.0
Jails are stupid. I've beta-tested another game and thought I try out pirating. Got put in jail for two hours online time, before I knew, what happened.
Well, I made a new char to avoid that stupid jail and now I haven't played it for a few months.
I don't play 'pvp' games that try to teach pvp'ers not to kill other players. It's stupid, since I'm there to fight other players in the 1st place and not to get 'turned' into a carebear by force.
Oh i didn't mean "forced" jail
It's like a "Oh i've learnt my lesson because i couldn't go to jita where the sun shines once in 5 frames so put me in jail!" kinda thing.
Optional retribution?
But the "i can only rat in 0.2 space and so forth". It's a social game, get a friend or two...even a pirate has some!...and go hunting big baddies
Originally by: Curzon Dax
1. I am not singing Ducktales.
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xeom
Exit 13
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:28:00 -
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Xeom's guide to going from -10.0 to 1.7!
You will first need a few things
-Friends to rat with(Isk is split,But you get the same ammount of sec as if you killed it alone)
-A Ventrillo server
-BooZE
-Lots of dirty topics to talk about
If you do this for 4-7 hours a day you will lose it in two weeks!
Remeber fast talk kiddies!
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 26/03/2007 00:30:49
Originally by: Jex Jast
I think the issue with security status is this:
I agree, if you do the crime, do the time, yadda yadda. The problem is that the TIME is horribly disproportionate to the CRIME.
You can drop from 0 to -10 in a day or two if you really go mad pirating. And you don't even need a huge ship to do it.
Can you go back up in a day? No, and you can only go back up in three days or longer if you have a big powerful ship AND access to 0.0 to kill the bs spawns.
Now please don't come at me with "but if you murder someone IRL you have to spend the rest of your life in jail!". This is not life. It's supposed to be fun even if you kill people for a living for a while.
My situation, for example, is this: I fly frigates. The largest ship I've flown is a battlecruiser. But I don't have access to 0.0 and I no longer have that bc. This leaves me stuck killing rats in 0.2 in my interceptor. Yes I can kill a dual-bc spawn in it, but it takes a half hour, and every time someone enters system I have to be right prepared to safespot immediately as I'm in dangerous space.
At the rate I'm going, I will never return to high-sec. I'm only -7.7 and yet, I am in for a lot of not-fun playing if I want to be allowed in high sec again.
Becoming a pirate/PvPer should not mean jumping down a hole that you can't climb out of. Sure, jumping into a pool that you have to swim a while to leave is fine, but the current system allows only the priveleged to regain sec status within a reasonable amount of time. And even then it's not that reasonable.
have to nic-pic on the "fun" part, "murdering" someone might be fun for you. but chances are, its not for the victim.
another distinction.
if you pod someone in War, no standing loss..
vs
Pod an unwilling victum (who probley ISNT having fun anyways.) = standing loss...
now in the WORST case scenario..
say some newb with a set of +3 implants (pretty standards.) without jump clones. (yeah yeah, I know the "dont fly what you cant afford to lose" is coming...)
1 podding = (at current prices around 14 mill a pop x 5..) = 70 million...
now, I dunno about you, (or any leet players out there..)
70 million can be a week's worth of grinding for isk for the casual player...
the loss in TIME is kinda balanced.
(and now: the "dont fly what you can afford to loss argument" in short, I will bring up the "you dont have to pod someone who would drop no loot" argument....)
you choose to get the squishy noise....
(I recorded it =P...)
edit: *besides, real pirates dont care for random murders... unless theres profit in it =P *
-Siggi-
""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher7 on 26/03/2007 00:39:45
Do the crime, do the time.
Or heck just stay -10.
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xeom
Exit 13
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Posted - 2007.03.26 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: CAREBEARS
HAI GUYS! I AM A CAREBEAR!
And because some guy played EVE online differently then me he should have to BE BORED FOR WEEKS ON END AND PAY FOR IT, HAHAHAHAHA!
PS:IM FULL OF SH**
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.26 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 26/03/2007 01:09:40
Originally by: xeom
Originally by: CAREBEARS
HAI GUYS! I AM A CAREBEAR!
And because some guy played EVE online differently then me he should have to BE BORED FOR WEEKS ON END AND PAY FOR IT, HAHAHAHAHA!
PS:IM FULL OF SH**
ah hell, I will bite.. even if its flame bait from a troll...pretty sure is directed at me.
.... I dont even know where to start...
for one... a "pvper" (not the ones who are cool, dont whine/complain/insult/call other people names when they cant think of an arguement..) complaining about not doing the time when he does the crime...
seems.. wrong... I mean, arent all pvper suppose to be tough and and man enough to deal with a consequences?
in the event for the feebleminded: what I said earlier.
if you pod someone full of implants, which cost MONEY which takes TIME to get. you should suffer the conseqences of needing to work for the good policeman until the amount of time/work you did for him equals to the time you wasted on that player without any reason than to kill him...
(until pods start dropping implants, theres no reason to pod people randomly, other than not paying an ransom.)
and yes, I myself have grinded from -5 back to slightly positive... is not that bad, just a week, or 3 day marathan.
Remember, the standing count is only once per 15 minutes or so.. you dont have to work too hard.. just relax.. chat with buddies.. do something around the house...
edit: funny thing is, there are people who work just as hard to get to -10.0 .. =P
as for the Gankbe... I mean.. pvpers who dont want standing loss.. get your corp to Wardec the Privateers.... those guys are fun =P
Tons of targets.
-Siggi-
""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.26 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
Xeom's guide to going from -10.0 to 1.7!
You will first need a few things
-Friends to rat with(Isk is split,But you get the same ammount of sec as if you killed it alone)
-A Ventrillo server
-BooZE
-Lots of dirty topics to talk about
If you do this for 4-7 hours a day you will lose it in two weeks!
Remeber fast talk kiddies!
Sounds like the latest diet plan.
Honestly I think I'll try it...hm. How do get smashed in my home as someone who cannot legally drink...well I guess I'll have to work on that part.
And as for the replies to my post, I see where you people are coming from, but really, it's supposed to be a part of the game. Try pirating for a while and tell me it's not an issue.
As far as the "don't attack that which brings no profit" I pod people who won't pay ransom on their pod. If I didn't they would never pay ransom.
(knowing that 70 mil isk is a week's grind for a casual player makes me feel better about being poor...)
And yes, I've got mates in my corp. However, they aren't looking for me to go boosting my sec nor would they spend their time helping me with it when they could be profiting from a hunt.
I do have a mate in Astral Wolves, however, who is a carebear. I'll pay him a visit...
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.26 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
Originally by: xeom
Xeom's guide to going from -10.0 to 1.7!
You will first need a few things
-Friends to rat with(Isk is split,But you get the same ammount of sec as if you killed it alone)
-A Ventrillo server
-BooZE
-Lots of dirty topics to talk about
If you do this for 4-7 hours a day you will lose it in two weeks!
Remeber fast talk kiddies!
Sounds like the latest diet plan.
Honestly I think I'll try it...hm. How do get smashed in my home as someone who cannot legally drink...well I guess I'll have to work on that part....
*pssst* go to your local highschool for the errrm "special smokes" .. pretty sure theres one everywhere if you are in Europe or Canada =P
-Siggi-
""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
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