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DarkElf
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vily answer both questions or neither.
I'll answer whatever the hell i feel like answering thanks very much. i was trying to be constructive but also respectful towards a corp that a have a high opinion of.
And to answer ur second question. if u are at a safespot and are not under a direct threat then in my personal opinion logging off there is ok. But as said above there are many grey areas which are mostly down to what u personally feel is an appropriate action and not exploiting the game mechanic. at the end of the day i feel he should have travelled to station before logging but it doesn't make much difference.
DE
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FlailofFury
Slanik Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.27 18:03:00 -
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Regardless we are arguing the the most borderline logoffski. To sum it up the killers lost the kill and he got away.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.03.27 18:12:00 -
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If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view.
Thing is, I don't really give a damn. Most of the big name alliances/corps in EVE are actually not so good. It's all about celebrity status and winning no matter what. So meh... They logged. Let it be on their conscious. Not like they are the only people to log off in combat.
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Katarina Hetiako
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:37:00 -
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The MC guy logged to save his ship from being destroyed, I think all this chat about aggro timers and being in a different system is all complete BS. Amazing how blind some people are when the facts are right in front of their eyes 
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view.
No, he could dock and then undock then log before they could lock, warping to a deep safe, then while they camp the station expecting him to come back, he can log on and off again, thus moving his warp in point to a deep safe, leaving him perfectly safe to leave whenever he wants. Rinse and repeat through any system you go through, gogo invulner-freighter!
Oh, and this isn't an exploit apparently according to the GM's. ------
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FlailofFury
Slanik Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.27 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view.
Thing is, I don't really give a damn. Most of the big name alliances/corps in EVE are actually not so good. It's all about celebrity status and winning no matter what. So meh... They logged. Let it be on their conscious. Not like they are the only people to log off in combat.
At what point did he log off in combat?
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.27 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Boliknar on 27/03/2007 21:08:14
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Vily
As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this...
Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff?
yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat.
But, it's not really a big deal. will always happen and imo does not blemish MC's reputation just from 1 pilot.
DE
So in effect what you are saying is that none of us should ever log off anywhere. There is that small chance that two systems ahead there might be a camp and we might run into it. Therefore whenever anyone log offs after having fought its to be considered a logoffski. This is only your own logic carried out to its natural conclusion.
Seems kinds silly don't it.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.03.27 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: FlailofFury
Originally by: Tecam Hund If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view.
Thing is, I don't really give a damn. Most of the big name alliances/corps in EVE are actually not so good. It's all about celebrity status and winning no matter what. So meh... They logged. Let it be on their conscious. Not like they are the only people to log off in combat.
At what point did he log off in combat?
I think he logged off only once.
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Altai Saker
Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.27 23:16:00 -
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I hope that one day the aggression timer will carry on to the next system.
Anyway this type of thing is used by all lame people and there happens to be a lot of them in all kinds of corps and alliances, people seem to have really low standards nowadays. http://www.omniscient-order.com/
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FlailofFury
Slanik Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.28 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker I hope that one day the aggression timer will carry on to the next system.
Anyway this type of thing is used by all lame people and there happens to be a lot of them in all kinds of corps and alliances, people seem to have really low standards nowadays.
Then he docks and log offs. Or are we to call that logoffski to?
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Altai Saker
Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.28 08:14:00 -
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Docking and logging is a whole lot different then making sure you drop agro timer asap and log.
So yes it would be different if he docked and logged.
This type of thing is allowed and used to its fullest by a lot of people just because some mc guy did it under grey area circumstances doesn't mean it's not lame, if you don't think its lame great I don't care.
My main point is that standards in recruitment and behavior have dropped a lot for much of the eve universe, all the way up to the supposedly "elite" level. http://www.omniscient-order.com/
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Jean
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.28 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Altai Saker Docking and logging is a whole lot different then making sure you drop agro timer asap and log.
So yes it would be different if he docked and logged.
This type of thing is allowed and used to its fullest by a lot of people just because some mc guy did it under grey area circumstances doesn't mean it's not lame, if you don't think its lame great I don't care.
My main point is that standards in recruitment and behavior have dropped a lot for much of the eve universe, all the way up to the supposedly "elite" level.
WTS: clue...
if ur not able to kill a freighter whilst its stuck well over 10km from a gate you really dont deserve the kill PERIOD...
now, IF they wouldve had any sense whatsoever, they wouldve de-aggro'd one of their own in time to follow the freighter through and THEN they cudve started whining about logging in combat. but they didnt...
our freighter pilot made a mistake and got away with it, u can rest assured it will not happen again...
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.28 13:02:00 -
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seriously, all they had to do was have one of the command ships stop aggroing when it became obvious he was going to make it to the gate. Then follow him through when he did.
you screwed up and are trying to blame it on some sort of exploit that isn't there.
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DarkElf
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.28 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Boliknar Edited by: Boliknar on 27/03/2007 21:08:14
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Vily
As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this...
Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff?
yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat.
But, it's not really a big deal. will always happen and imo does not blemish MC's reputation just from 1 pilot.
DE
So in effect what you are saying is that none of us should ever log off anywhere. There is that small chance that two systems ahead there might be a camp and we might run into it. Therefore whenever anyone log offs after having fought its to be considered a logoffski. This is only your own logic carried out to its natural conclusion.
Seems kinds silly don't it.
don't be daft. The point is that firstly we do not know why the pilot logged so can't make and assumptions.
The point is that if u log off to avoid being killed because you feel that u can't get away without logging off then that is a logoffski. if u are in no danger and as u say there might be a camp ahead then of course it's ok to log off because you're not logging off 'to' avoid combat. But if the pilot logged off because he feared that the aggressors would follow him through and kill him then logoffski.
DE
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El'Jefe
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Posted - 2007.04.01 02:18:00 -
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I honestly don't see anything wrong in this :P If a freighter logs off in front of me while Im killing it, I will be there waiting for a week until the guy pops back in :)
If the guy logs off the first place, he's got a lot to lose, which makes it even more fun to camp. Kinda like camping a NM in FFXI or WoW.
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Gelban Fisto
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Posted - 2007.04.01 14:06:00 -
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Oh mai! We almost shot you a system back,so your not allowed to log untill we catch back up and finish killing you! I mean wtf. By the logic your spouting, any time a pirate or enemy sees you your supposed to sit and wait for them to come shoot you? You escape a gate camp, you gotta give them ANOTHER chance to follow after you and kill you? Jeezuz, he was in a freighter slowboating to the gate from 10km. FFS you should have had nearly a full minute to get your heads out of your.... well, more than enough time to plan your next step. Sounds to me like someone is feeling stupid and trying to make themsleves happeir about THEIR mistake.
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