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Flowerpot Gallente The Fun in Dysfunctional	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:06:00 - [1] First I would say to anyone posting in this thread - don't resort to personal attacks or borderline personal attacks - what ever borderline personal attacks are Anyway - A certain large mercenary organisation was accused of logging off their freighter because it was about to get popped :O This is sad because it insults the killer and the corp of the person about to be killed. Unfortunatly my polite but interested post about the subject and the suggestion was deleted or something. BUT..hey you er mercenary guys - you have a golden opportunity here to create a lot of fun and become even more of a legend than you already are .... We know u guys hate this abuse of game mechanics - punish the offender - by ordering him to fly a freighter thru low sec for the next week - proving a small escort - the freighter should be full of nice stuff too - I'm sure it was before it was gonna be ganked. Think of it as returning some of the fun to the game thats it has given u
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/03/2007 00:30:48 They logged off their freighter after jumping. If they had not logged, they still would have survived, because the attackers had a 60 second aggro timer. Its the attackers' fault for being nublets and not bumping the freighter --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:45:00 - [3] OP is a tool, IT IS NOT LOGOFFSKI IF YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES BEFORE YOU QUIT!
Warrio Ruin Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Warrio on 27/03/2007 00:42:53 Mmmm, I'm sure they will. Remmember that everyone loves the moral high ground until it comes to actually having to defend it. MC, BoB, D2 and RA are no different to each other. Each of them wants to win and will do so at all costs. The only way to fight that is if the others do the same. I know if I was in their position I'd do the same thing. I think the titan kills ingame so far have done well to be a shining example of this. Yarr etc.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:59:00 - [5] Eh....after Mercenary Coalition abused the voting system in Eve Idol to get Crovan to win despite his...well, I'm not going to call it talentless(?) but judge for yourself. =p
DiuxDium Loot	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:05:00 - [6] /me hands you the "worst pirate in eve medal of distinctive service to the cause". Quote: Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
maomini	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:32:00 - [7] Edited by: maomini on 27/03/2007 01:27:59 nm
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:32:00 - [8] Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion.
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Curzon Dax Eh....after Mercenary Coalition abused the voting system in Eve Idol to get Crovan to win despite his...well, I'm not going to call it talentless(?) but judge for yourself. =p Damn dude not too bitter now, are we? Crovan did nothing wrong, at all - other than advertising EVE Radio, and voting for the 'best'. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry, but you'll have to live a very bitter and twisted person. [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:53:00 - [10] Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually.
Anila's Delight	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:30:00 - [11] Just to those saying 'BOO evil logofski', would the situation be different if he jumped into a dead end system, which then would have been camped to prevent him leaving? The only possible way to avoid being scanned an popped in a system like this is to constantly warp between safe spots untill the gate camp disperses, or untill help arrives. Now lets see what happened here: He was warp scrammed in a freighter He then flew towards the gate to jump to another system You shot him He reached the gate He jumped You were locked out due to agro for 60 sec In 60 seconds he could have initiated warp and go anywhere He logged out Now lets see where you lost the kill: He jumped through a gate while you had aggro, there by prevented from jumping for 60 seconds. The kill was lost at this point. What ever the pilot does after they get away cant be considered logofski because the fight was over! Logofski is logging in the middle of a fight so you dont loose a ship. 60 seconds is a long time in a fight, a lot can happen. I am sure that any alliances standard procedure when moving freighters is to log them out if there is a risk of them being killed, being as they are worth 1 bill not taking into acount their contents. Originally by: Altrex Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
Ratamnim Natas	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:46:00 - [12] Was there any need for starting this thread again?? Last one was locked. Hands out tissues again and plays violin.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:01:00 - [13] Originally by: FlailofFury Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually. What if more aggressive ships had at that moment come out of warp on the other side of the gate? Surely they then would have been able to strip him of his remaining 5% structure? Logging off denied the (admittedly very small) chance of this happening. I guess what I am saying is that he should have attempted to warp to the station and dock, he shouldn't have logged off even if it ultimately made no difference. This crime is very minor, so minor that its hardly worth bothering about given the situation. The bitter fact remains however, the freighter exploited a loophole in the game mechanics to deny victory to the aggressors who had done no wrong. Clutching at straws? Maybe, but I'm sure you're no fan of logging targets yourself. This isn't really a good example to be setting is it?
Arched	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:23:00 - [14] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: FlailofFury Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually. What if more aggressive ships had at that moment come out of warp on the other side of the gate? Surely they then would have been able to strip him of his remaining 5% structure? Logging off denied the (admittedly very small) chance of this happening. I guess what I am saying is that he should have attempted to warp to the station and dock, he shouldn't have logged off even if it ultimately made no difference. This crime is very minor, so minor that its hardly worth bothering about given the situation. The bitter fact remains however, the freighter exploited a loophole in the game mechanics to deny victory to the aggressors who had done no wrong. Clutching at straws? Maybe, but I'm sure you're no fan of logging targets yourself. This isn't really a good example to be setting is it? the problem is your example falls flat on it's face. HAD there been hostiles right behind this one to jump through, they could have EASILY knocked off the remaining 5% structure before the two minute dissappearance took place, because REMEMBER, you can scramble people who log at gates, they will dissappear after two minutes but that would be more than enough to through 5% unhardened strucuture. He did not "exploit a loophole to deny victory" VICTORY WAS DENIED, the second he jumped through that gate.
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:43:00 - [15] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: FlailofFury Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually. What if more aggressive ships had at that moment come out of warp on the other side of the gate? Surely they then would have been able to strip him of his remaining 5% structure? Logging off denied the (admittedly very small) chance of this happening. I guess what I am saying is that he should have attempted to warp to the station and dock, he shouldn't have logged off even if it ultimately made no difference. This crime is very minor, so minor that its hardly worth bothering about given the situation. The bitter fact remains however, the freighter exploited a loophole in the game mechanics to deny victory to the aggressors who had done no wrong. Clutching at straws? Maybe, but I'm sure you're no fan of logging targets yourself. This isn't really a good example to be setting is it? Exactly what loophole did he exploit. He got throught he gate using core game mechanics (what is it 70ms) and jumping. By jumping that reset all agro timers (as intended) and then proceeded to logoff. No exploit was enganged. He did the opposite he could have logged and not slowboated to the gate and probably have lived (to be probed down) and that would have been logoffski. This is not.
Ovno ConSyquence The Plebians	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:05:00 - [16] it wasn't an exploit, get over it....
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:33:00 - [17] Emergency warp after logging = takes the same time as a normal warp to station/next gate. It made 0 difference, you wouldn't have caught it either way. Get over it. ------
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:14:00 - [18] he agressers lost the kill whne tthe freighter went through the gate.... it was theyr nooby fault it even made it there in the first place. after that he logged... he got away. and if its true it had like 5% hull left.. if there was a agressive ship there... it would have died. yes he could have gone to the station or some where else... but he decided to log... that is not a exploit... its same as docking and logging off allmost. agressers lost the kill becouse they so bad they couldnt keep a freighter from reaching the gate... like wtf.. its the slowest ship ingame... pft --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:49:00 - [19] Logoffski is when you log off to try and save your ship whilst in the middle of a fight and under fire. This wasn't the case after the freighter slowboated to the gate and jumped with you stuck on the other side with agro was it.
Alumion Asteroid Preserve Patrol	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:17:00 - [20] But if you log out you don't have to align do you? Not as much as turning toward a station anyway ---
Femaref Caldari For my sweet Revenge	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:30:00 - [21] You have to, as the ship warps to a various location in the system. (range from warp point: 1mil km)
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/03/2007 00:37:12 They logged off their freighter after jumping. If they had not logged, they still would have survived, because the attackers had a 60 second aggro timer. Its the attackers' fault for being nublets and not bumping the freighter Yes its still logging, yes its wrong. But its not as if you can claim they would have got it if he didn't log. This could possibly be the lamest defence I have ever heard. So now its ok to log off as long as you have evaded them once. Read the posts. When she came online in system she was not in the station = logged after jumpin. I just hate people defending it just because they are allies. If this was one of their enemies doing it the forum would have been ablaze with hate threads. Gordon Cain
Terra Mauter Reflex.	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Terra Mauter on 27/03/2007 12:46:43 I was the original pilot in question (attacking) freighter along with Hans Blix(Exit-13) who joined towards the end of the fight... The timer was not 60 seconds. [ 2007.03.26 12:57:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on ******* [CONIN]<MC> - - - > Obelisk < - - -, inflicting 302.4 damage. [ 2007.03.26 12:58:56 ] (None) Jumping to Stargate (Ishomilken) in Nikkishina solarsystem 55 seconds.. :D But hey thats just being picky. The fact is he logged untill an escort 'squadron' arrived in the solar system to protect his 5% hull. I am admitted i probably wouldnt of been able to catch him.. HOWEVER the next system was not empty and who's the say pilots on the otherside would not of finished it off? And to everybody smacking me for not having a web.. I have 3 medslots, I run AB/Disruptor/Cap Injector. Noob? kk w/e Lets also not forget him/her crying in local trying to distract us while they went for gate to log. [12:55:56] Loom* > please stop [12:56:20] Lina > I'll pay [12:56:35] Lona > PLEASE STOP [12:56:39] *mina > I"LL PAY ^Censored just incase mods dont like it :P
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Arii Smith OP is a tool, IT IS NOT LOGOFFSKI IF YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES BEFORE YOU QUIT! yes it is. logoffski is a term used when someone logs off to avoid combat. if that's what he did then it is a logoffski and pretty lame. But it happens all the time. nothing will ever change that. not really a big deal. the kill was lossed regardless of the logging. DE
Terra Mauter Reflex.	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:59:00 - [25] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Arii Smith OP is a tool, IT IS NOT LOGOFFSKI IF YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES BEFORE YOU QUIT! yes it is. logoffski is a term used when someone logs off to avoid combat. if that's what he did then it is a logoffski and pretty lame. But it happens all the time. nothing will ever change that. not really a big deal. the kill was lossed regardless of the logging. DE End of the day im suprised MC (I believed their reputation was inpecable) would travel through Mara/Nikkishina/Ishomilken (Mara is next to the reknown pirate heaven Passari)... In a freighter, UNESCORTED, UNSCOUTED.
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 15:04:00 - [26] As i said previously, everyone makes mistakes, life goes on. As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this... Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff? You take the freighter to a safespot and log.. is that a logoff? as to the comments in local, it preciptated you into asking for money, which may or may not have bought time, so it is nothing to mock. -
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.27 15:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Vily As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this... Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff? yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat. But, it's not really a big deal. will always happen and imo does not blemish MC's reputation just from 1 pilot. DE
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 16:06:00 - [28] answer both questions or neither. -
monkeyduck Mithril Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.27 16:07:00 - [29] Originally by: DarkElf yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat. But with that same reasoning, getting to the station and then logging off would still be considered 'logoffski'. They weren't intending to quit the game (they had a destination), but they are trapped in the station. Leaving the station is death; so instead of sitting there and playing with your clone () they leave, avoiding combat. Meh, lot's of grey areas here. So long as you escape combat before quitting the game, it's fair. You gave them a chance to kill you; they failed.
juduzz Amarr Memento.Mori	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:04:00 - [30] Logging off is still lame weather is was jumping away then logging striaght after jump or logging sduring combat same thing.

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