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Flowerpot Gallente The Fun in Dysfunctional	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:06:00 - [1] First I would say to anyone posting in this thread - don't resort to personal attacks or borderline personal attacks - what ever borderline personal attacks are Anyway - A certain large mercenary organisation was accused of logging off their freighter because it was about to get popped :O This is sad because it insults the killer and the corp of the person about to be killed. Unfortunatly my polite but interested post about the subject and the suggestion was deleted or something. BUT..hey you er mercenary guys - you have a golden opportunity here to create a lot of fun and become even more of a legend than you already are .... We know u guys hate this abuse of game mechanics - punish the offender - by ordering him to fly a freighter thru low sec for the next week - proving a small escort - the freighter should be full of nice stuff too - I'm sure it was before it was gonna be ganked. Think of it as returning some of the fun to the game thats it has given u
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/03/2007 00:30:48 They logged off their freighter after jumping. If they had not logged, they still would have survived, because the attackers had a 60 second aggro timer. Its the attackers' fault for being nublets and not bumping the freighter --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:45:00 - [3] OP is a tool, IT IS NOT LOGOFFSKI IF YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES BEFORE YOU QUIT!
Warrio Ruin Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Warrio on 27/03/2007 00:42:53 Mmmm, I'm sure they will. Remmember that everyone loves the moral high ground until it comes to actually having to defend it. MC, BoB, D2 and RA are no different to each other. Each of them wants to win and will do so at all costs. The only way to fight that is if the others do the same. I know if I was in their position I'd do the same thing. I think the titan kills ingame so far have done well to be a shining example of this. Yarr etc.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:59:00 - [5] Eh....after Mercenary Coalition abused the voting system in Eve Idol to get Crovan to win despite his...well, I'm not going to call it talentless(?) but judge for yourself. =p
DiuxDium Loot	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:05:00 - [6] /me hands you the "worst pirate in eve medal of distinctive service to the cause". Quote: Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
maomini	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:32:00 - [7] Edited by: maomini on 27/03/2007 01:27:59 nm
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:32:00 - [8] Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion.
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Curzon Dax Eh....after Mercenary Coalition abused the voting system in Eve Idol to get Crovan to win despite his...well, I'm not going to call it talentless(?) but judge for yourself. =p Damn dude not too bitter now, are we? Crovan did nothing wrong, at all - other than advertising EVE Radio, and voting for the 'best'. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry, but you'll have to live a very bitter and twisted person. [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.27 01:53:00 - [10] Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually.
Anila's Delight	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:30:00 - [11] Just to those saying 'BOO evil logofski', would the situation be different if he jumped into a dead end system, which then would have been camped to prevent him leaving? The only possible way to avoid being scanned an popped in a system like this is to constantly warp between safe spots untill the gate camp disperses, or untill help arrives. Now lets see what happened here: He was warp scrammed in a freighter He then flew towards the gate to jump to another system You shot him He reached the gate He jumped You were locked out due to agro for 60 sec In 60 seconds he could have initiated warp and go anywhere He logged out Now lets see where you lost the kill: He jumped through a gate while you had aggro, there by prevented from jumping for 60 seconds. The kill was lost at this point. What ever the pilot does after they get away cant be considered logofski because the fight was over! Logofski is logging in the middle of a fight so you dont loose a ship. 60 seconds is a long time in a fight, a lot can happen. I am sure that any alliances standard procedure when moving freighters is to log them out if there is a risk of them being killed, being as they are worth 1 bill not taking into acount their contents. Originally by: Altrex Conclusive proof ladies and gentlemen that WoW kills brain cells.
Ratamnim Natas	Posted - 2007.03.27 02:46:00 - [12] Was there any need for starting this thread again?? Last one was locked. Hands out tissues again and plays violin.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:01:00 - [13] Originally by: FlailofFury Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually. What if more aggressive ships had at that moment come out of warp on the other side of the gate? Surely they then would have been able to strip him of his remaining 5% structure? Logging off denied the (admittedly very small) chance of this happening. I guess what I am saying is that he should have attempted to warp to the station and dock, he shouldn't have logged off even if it ultimately made no difference. This crime is very minor, so minor that its hardly worth bothering about given the situation. The bitter fact remains however, the freighter exploited a loophole in the game mechanics to deny victory to the aggressors who had done no wrong. Clutching at straws? Maybe, but I'm sure you're no fan of logging targets yourself. This isn't really a good example to be setting is it?
Arched	Posted - 2007.03.27 03:23:00 - [14] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: FlailofFury Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually. What if more aggressive ships had at that moment come out of warp on the other side of the gate? Surely they then would have been able to strip him of his remaining 5% structure? Logging off denied the (admittedly very small) chance of this happening. I guess what I am saying is that he should have attempted to warp to the station and dock, he shouldn't have logged off even if it ultimately made no difference. This crime is very minor, so minor that its hardly worth bothering about given the situation. The bitter fact remains however, the freighter exploited a loophole in the game mechanics to deny victory to the aggressors who had done no wrong. Clutching at straws? Maybe, but I'm sure you're no fan of logging targets yourself. This isn't really a good example to be setting is it? the problem is your example falls flat on it's face. HAD there been hostiles right behind this one to jump through, they could have EASILY knocked off the remaining 5% structure before the two minute dissappearance took place, because REMEMBER, you can scramble people who log at gates, they will dissappear after two minutes but that would be more than enough to through 5% unhardened strucuture. He did not "exploit a loophole to deny victory" VICTORY WAS DENIED, the second he jumped through that gate.
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:43:00 - [15] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: FlailofFury Edited by: FlailofFury on 27/03/2007 01:50:19 Originally by: welsh wizard Logged off to avoid dying, doesn't matter whether the original aggressors couldn't finish it off or not. Any logging to avoid death no matter how unlikely is deplorable. Play the game and accept that you lose sometimes. My opinion. Would you prefer he docked then logged off. He did one smart thing. Escaped their attack (jumping) and getting away. What should he have done after finnally getting away? Stay at the gate and let them finish him. No he got away fair and square and saved his ass. Edit: He could have even made the next jump because he had a full minute to align but they would have caught him eventually. What if more aggressive ships had at that moment come out of warp on the other side of the gate? Surely they then would have been able to strip him of his remaining 5% structure? Logging off denied the (admittedly very small) chance of this happening. I guess what I am saying is that he should have attempted to warp to the station and dock, he shouldn't have logged off even if it ultimately made no difference. This crime is very minor, so minor that its hardly worth bothering about given the situation. The bitter fact remains however, the freighter exploited a loophole in the game mechanics to deny victory to the aggressors who had done no wrong. Clutching at straws? Maybe, but I'm sure you're no fan of logging targets yourself. This isn't really a good example to be setting is it? Exactly what loophole did he exploit. He got throught he gate using core game mechanics (what is it 70ms) and jumping. By jumping that reset all agro timers (as intended) and then proceeded to logoff. No exploit was enganged. He did the opposite he could have logged and not slowboated to the gate and probably have lived (to be probed down) and that would have been logoffski. This is not.
Ovno ConSyquence The Plebians	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:05:00 - [16] it wasn't an exploit, get over it....
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:33:00 - [17] Emergency warp after logging = takes the same time as a normal warp to station/next gate. It made 0 difference, you wouldn't have caught it either way. Get over it. ------
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:14:00 - [18] he agressers lost the kill whne tthe freighter went through the gate.... it was theyr nooby fault it even made it there in the first place. after that he logged... he got away. and if its true it had like 5% hull left.. if there was a agressive ship there... it would have died. yes he could have gone to the station or some where else... but he decided to log... that is not a exploit... its same as docking and logging off allmost. agressers lost the kill becouse they so bad they couldnt keep a freighter from reaching the gate... like wtf.. its the slowest ship ingame... pft --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:49:00 - [19] Logoffski is when you log off to try and save your ship whilst in the middle of a fight and under fire. This wasn't the case after the freighter slowboated to the gate and jumped with you stuck on the other side with agro was it.
Alumion Asteroid Preserve Patrol	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:17:00 - [20] But if you log out you don't have to align do you? Not as much as turning toward a station anyway ---
Femaref Caldari For my sweet Revenge	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:30:00 - [21] You have to, as the ship warps to a various location in the system. (range from warp point: 1mil km)
gordon cain Minmatar x13	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/03/2007 00:37:12 They logged off their freighter after jumping. If they had not logged, they still would have survived, because the attackers had a 60 second aggro timer. Its the attackers' fault for being nublets and not bumping the freighter Yes its still logging, yes its wrong. But its not as if you can claim they would have got it if he didn't log. This could possibly be the lamest defence I have ever heard. So now its ok to log off as long as you have evaded them once. Read the posts. When she came online in system she was not in the station = logged after jumpin. I just hate people defending it just because they are allies. If this was one of their enemies doing it the forum would have been ablaze with hate threads. Gordon Cain
Terra Mauter Reflex.	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Terra Mauter on 27/03/2007 12:46:43 I was the original pilot in question (attacking) freighter along with Hans Blix(Exit-13) who joined towards the end of the fight... The timer was not 60 seconds. [ 2007.03.26 12:57:51 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Pulse Laser II places an excellent hit on ******* [CONIN]<MC> - - - > Obelisk < - - -, inflicting 302.4 damage. [ 2007.03.26 12:58:56 ] (None) Jumping to Stargate (Ishomilken) in Nikkishina solarsystem 55 seconds.. :D But hey thats just being picky. The fact is he logged untill an escort 'squadron' arrived in the solar system to protect his 5% hull. I am admitted i probably wouldnt of been able to catch him.. HOWEVER the next system was not empty and who's the say pilots on the otherside would not of finished it off? And to everybody smacking me for not having a web.. I have 3 medslots, I run AB/Disruptor/Cap Injector. Noob? kk w/e Lets also not forget him/her crying in local trying to distract us while they went for gate to log. [12:55:56] Loom* > please stop [12:56:20] Lina > I'll pay [12:56:35] Lona > PLEASE STOP [12:56:39] *mina > I"LL PAY ^Censored just incase mods dont like it :P
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Arii Smith OP is a tool, IT IS NOT LOGOFFSKI IF YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES BEFORE YOU QUIT! yes it is. logoffski is a term used when someone logs off to avoid combat. if that's what he did then it is a logoffski and pretty lame. But it happens all the time. nothing will ever change that. not really a big deal. the kill was lossed regardless of the logging. DE
Terra Mauter Reflex.	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:59:00 - [25] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Arii Smith OP is a tool, IT IS NOT LOGOFFSKI IF YOU GET AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES BEFORE YOU QUIT! yes it is. logoffski is a term used when someone logs off to avoid combat. if that's what he did then it is a logoffski and pretty lame. But it happens all the time. nothing will ever change that. not really a big deal. the kill was lossed regardless of the logging. DE End of the day im suprised MC (I believed their reputation was inpecable) would travel through Mara/Nikkishina/Ishomilken (Mara is next to the reknown pirate heaven Passari)... In a freighter, UNESCORTED, UNSCOUTED.
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 15:04:00 - [26] As i said previously, everyone makes mistakes, life goes on. As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this... Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff? You take the freighter to a safespot and log.. is that a logoff? as to the comments in local, it preciptated you into asking for money, which may or may not have bought time, so it is nothing to mock. -
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.27 15:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Vily As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this... Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff? yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat. But, it's not really a big deal. will always happen and imo does not blemish MC's reputation just from 1 pilot. DE
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 16:06:00 - [28] answer both questions or neither. -
monkeyduck Mithril Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.27 16:07:00 - [29] Originally by: DarkElf yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat. But with that same reasoning, getting to the station and then logging off would still be considered 'logoffski'. They weren't intending to quit the game (they had a destination), but they are trapped in the station. Leaving the station is death; so instead of sitting there and playing with your clone () they leave, avoiding combat. Meh, lot's of grey areas here. So long as you escape combat before quitting the game, it's fair. You gave them a chance to kill you; they failed.
juduzz Amarr Memento.Mori	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:04:00 - [30] Logging off is still lame weather is was jumping away then logging striaght after jump or logging sduring combat same thing.
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Vily answer both questions or neither. I'll answer whatever the hell i feel like answering thanks very much. i was trying to be constructive but also respectful towards a corp that a have a high opinion of. And to answer ur second question. if u are at a safespot and are not under a direct threat then in my personal opinion logging off there is ok. But as said above there are many grey areas which are mostly down to what u personally feel is an appropriate action and not exploiting the game mechanic. at the end of the day i feel he should have travelled to station before logging but it doesn't make much difference. DE
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.27 18:03:00 - [32] Regardless we are arguing the the most borderline logoffski. To sum it up the killers lost the kill and he got away.
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.03.27 18:12:00 - [33] If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view. Thing is, I don't really give a damn. Most of the big name alliances/corps in EVE are actually not so good. It's all about celebrity status and winning no matter what. So meh... They logged. Let it be on their conscious. Not like they are the only people to log off in combat.
Katarina Hetiako Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.27 19:37:00 - [34] The MC guy logged to save his ship from being destroyed, I think all this chat about aggro timers and being in a different system is all complete BS. Amazing how blind some people are when the facts are right in front of their eyes Yup, I'm an alt... if only you could see my main... he's so strong and tough!
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.27 19:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Tecam Hund If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view. No, he could dock and then undock then log before they could lock, warping to a deep safe, then while they camp the station expecting him to come back, he can log on and off again, thus moving his warp in point to a deep safe, leaving him perfectly safe to leave whenever he wants. Rinse and repeat through any system you go through, gogo invulner-freighter! Oh, and this isn't an exploit apparently according to the GM's. ------
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.27 20:53:00 - [36] Originally by: Tecam Hund If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view. Thing is, I don't really give a damn. Most of the big name alliances/corps in EVE are actually not so good. It's all about celebrity status and winning no matter what. So meh... They logged. Let it be on their conscious. Not like they are the only people to log off in combat. At what point did he log off in combat?
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 21:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Boliknar on 27/03/2007 21:08:14 Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Vily As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this... Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff? yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat. But, it's not really a big deal. will always happen and imo does not blemish MC's reputation just from 1 pilot. DE So in effect what you are saying is that none of us should ever log off anywhere. There is that small chance that two systems ahead there might be a camp and we might run into it. Therefore whenever anyone log offs after having fought its to be considered a logoffski. This is only your own logic carried out to its natural conclusion. Seems kinds silly don't it.
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.03.27 21:35:00 - [38] Originally by: FlailofFury Originally by: Tecam Hund If the freighter didn't log off the pirates would have still caught it somewhere on the next gate of a bit further down. He could dock, but then he would be camped in station. If he would choose to log in station, thats another story, but this was logging off in combat from my point of view. Thing is, I don't really give a damn. Most of the big name alliances/corps in EVE are actually not so good. It's all about celebrity status and winning no matter what. So meh... They logged. Let it be on their conscious. Not like they are the only people to log off in combat. At what point did he log off in combat? I think he logged off only once.
Altai Saker Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:16:00 - [39] I hope that one day the aggression timer will carry on to the next system. Anyway this type of thing is used by all lame people and there happens to be a lot of them in all kinds of corps and alliances, people seem to have really low standards nowadays. http://www.omniscient-order.com/
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.28 04:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Altai Saker I hope that one day the aggression timer will carry on to the next system. Anyway this type of thing is used by all lame people and there happens to be a lot of them in all kinds of corps and alliances, people seem to have really low standards nowadays. Then he docks and log offs. Or are we to call that logoffski to?
Altai Saker Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 08:14:00 - [41] Docking and logging is a whole lot different then making sure you drop agro timer asap and log. So yes it would be different if he docked and logged. This type of thing is allowed and used to its fullest by a lot of people just because some mc guy did it under grey area circumstances doesn't mean it's not lame, if you don't think its lame great I don't care. My main point is that standards in recruitment and behavior have dropped a lot for much of the eve universe, all the way up to the supposedly "elite" level. http://www.omniscient-order.com/
Jean Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.28 11:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Altai Saker Docking and logging is a whole lot different then making sure you drop agro timer asap and log. So yes it would be different if he docked and logged. This type of thing is allowed and used to its fullest by a lot of people just because some mc guy did it under grey area circumstances doesn't mean it's not lame, if you don't think its lame great I don't care. My main point is that standards in recruitment and behavior have dropped a lot for much of the eve universe, all the way up to the supposedly "elite" level. WTS: clue... if ur not able to kill a freighter whilst its stuck well over 10km from a gate you really dont deserve the kill PERIOD... now, IF they wouldve had any sense whatsoever, they wouldve de-aggro'd one of their own in time to follow the freighter through and THEN they cudve started whining about logging in combat. but they didnt... our freighter pilot made a mistake and got away with it, u can rest assured it will not happen again...
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.28 13:02:00 - [43] seriously, all they had to do was have one of the command ships stop aggroing when it became obvious he was going to make it to the gate. Then follow him through when he did. you screwed up and are trying to blame it on some sort of exploit that isn't there.
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.28 13:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Boliknar Edited by: Boliknar on 27/03/2007 21:08:14 Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Vily As to the evasion of combat analysis, let me ask this... Hostiles are sighted jumping into the system you are about to warp a freighter to. You log the freighter off immediatly.. is that a logoff? yes it is. logging off is not designed to put ppl into safety if they are in fear of combat. it is designed for when ppl are ready to log off the game so they don't have to find a station first. If the person is logging off for the sole reason to avoid combat then it is in my opinion logoffski because him disappearing was never designed to help ppl in combat. But, it's not really a big deal. will always happen and imo does not blemish MC's reputation just from 1 pilot. DE So in effect what you are saying is that none of us should ever log off anywhere. There is that small chance that two systems ahead there might be a camp and we might run into it. Therefore whenever anyone log offs after having fought its to be considered a logoffski. This is only your own logic carried out to its natural conclusion. Seems kinds silly don't it. don't be daft. The point is that firstly we do not know why the pilot logged so can't make and assumptions. The point is that if u log off to avoid being killed because you feel that u can't get away without logging off then that is a logoffski. if u are in no danger and as u say there might be a camp ahead then of course it's ok to log off because you're not logging off 'to' avoid combat. But if the pilot logged off because he feared that the aggressors would follow him through and kill him then logoffski. DE
El'Jefe	Posted - 2007.04.01 02:18:00 - [45] I honestly don't see anything wrong in this :P If a freighter logs off in front of me while Im killing it, I will be there waiting for a week until the guy pops back in :) If the guy logs off the first place, he's got a lot to lose, which makes it even more fun to camp. Kinda like camping a NM in FFXI or WoW.
Gelban Fisto	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:06:00 - [46] Oh mai! We almost shot you a system back,so your not allowed to log untill we catch back up and finish killing you! I mean wtf. By the logic your spouting, any time a pirate or enemy sees you your supposed to sit and wait for them to come shoot you? You escape a gate camp, you gotta give them ANOTHER chance to follow after you and kill you? Jeezuz, he was in a freighter slowboating to the gate from 10km. FFS you should have had nearly a full minute to get your heads out of your.... well, more than enough time to plan your next step. Sounds to me like someone is feeling stupid and trying to make themsleves happeir about THEIR mistake.

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