So the idea is a mechinism to encourage but not force people to spread fire while not causing battles to degenerate into impossible to kill situations. The idea is similiar to bomb damage where excess bombs are destroyed. In this case, excess heat at certain threshholds destroy a percentage of incoming rounds.

You split the current ships into hull sizes:

Small
Medium
Large
Capital

You then assign each hull size damage threshholds, these are just placeholders and not intended as finished numbers

Small - 1000 - damage reduction 10%
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Small - 6000 - damage reduction 60%

Medium - 5000 - damage reduction 10%
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Medium 30000 - damage reduction 60%

And so on


* The different damage reduction amounts for different sized hulls of course are necessary to prevent larger ships from being impossible to kill.
* While you can still use overkill to kill targets its no longer a straight line damage equation. Putting out 600,000 dps on one ship might be possible but splitting up those same ships and shooting 3 ships instead for 300,000 each would mean logi needs to rep 3 ships for 900,000 dps instead of the 1 for 600,000. Makes sense?

A sample battle of 6 seconds:

Ships with Blasters doing 15000 per tick
Ships with Projectiles doing 25000 per 2.5 ticks
Target is a battleship and it has dps thresholds of 10000 damage, 20000 damage, ..., 60,000 damage

The reduction would be

Tick 1 15K - 10% = 13,500 damage
Tick 2 15K - 10%
Tick 3 40K - 40% = 24,000 damage
Tick 4 15K - 10%
Tick 5 15K - 10%
Tick 6 40K - 40%

Based on the 10 percent per threshold.


If you had blasters doing 20,0000 dps and no projectiles

Tick 1 - Tick 6 20K - 20% = 16,000 damage


If you were doing 80000 damage with blasters

Tick 1 - Tick 6 80K - 60% = 32,000 damage

At 50,000 damage in one tick - 50% you're doing 25,000 damage
At 60,000 damage in one tick - 60% you're doing 24,000 damage

Diminishing returns, it works and its not exploitable. Additionally in terms of the remote repairs they could be rebalanced so they're not trying to defeat the n+1 mechanic we currently have. They were only introduced as a patch against it anyway.

Its genius of course, I thought of it

smaller ships are already protected from larger weapons by there size. smaller ships are harder to hit. glances result in fractional damage. whats wrong with the current system?

It doesn't protect smaller ships. The reason they're broken up is because if you had a generic threshold for say, frigates, that same threshhold for capitals would make them impossible to kill. Likewise if you had a generic threshhold for capitals then frigates would be vaporised before the first 10% reduction kicked in.

First, a Capital weapon is so large it fires projectiles larger then a frigate, so of course its going to vaporize it.

second, It does protect smaller ships as larger turrets have slower tracking speed and makes it harder for them to hit smaller ships due to there size and speed. I can harass BC and larger ships in a frigate without much threat due to my size/speed compared to there tracking speed.

I am pretty sure CCP has considered dps diminishing returns (the more modules firing, the less damage per module) for ship-ship combat.

Just as I am sure its a back burner thing it will likely revisit in the future.

If you want small gang ~gudfites~, go have them.

leave large scale combat as large scale combat.

(Also, as I ask every time someone suggests this, please explain why you feel that supercapitals need this kind of a buff)

Danika, remind we why we would listen to a mindblurrbh of an NPC in the first place?

In the somewhat vain hope they'll accidentally post with their main so we can laugh at some feythabolis renter corp that hasn't seen a red in five years, usually.

Did you ever take a look into the "WHY" alpha-fleets are on the field?

It is only because of the op of logistics/faxes etc. .... so if you want to cut alpha ( while i-¦m still not sure why) you kill one of the last mechanics to kill gangs with large ammount of logis! via dmg!
No clue why?
Nerf logi or delete em from game!!! and you are fine!

Is DR applying to gross (before the shots hit and damage calcs run their course) or net (shots hit, damage calcs run thier course then the DR applied) damage? Reason asking is you seem to be doing gross, and one lump sum.

If gross damage before actual calcs...you have a problem. You have a weighted score that hurts the shooters. You are using paper damage. target shot may get this DR effect for damage they would have never gotten in the first place. 20 ravens flown by low sp noobs with crap missile skills with no paint/mgc/rigor will have impressive per ship paper damage to artificially boost gross damage. Actual net damage will sucks ass most likely however. Eft/pyfa raw damage only tells half the story on the top page. Its when run the graphs and mix up speed, angles and sig you see the other half.


If net, you now have another issue. YOu are inducing a half assed resist boost effect. your issue here is this why ccp put resist holes in ships is one. Or else we'd all be say 80% and higher.

Your second issue is ccp has in the past nerfed resist boosts. A few years back for some reason(s) I can't recall and didn't quite grasp when the change happened....ccp .dropped 5% per level resist bonus to 4%. For reasons some fellow bitter can jog my memory on maybe....my rokh and other ships were imba with 25% resists max skill and is now 20% max.

Third issue as Danika pointed out is you are buffing mommy ships. See when mommies became supers (I still call them mommies anyway, old habits die hard) CCP gave them an arguably stupid silly ehp buff. They took this away in rebalance. For good reason. You are giving that back as a mommy shoot will give it ample time to keep on getting your DR effect. And I am being nice...I haven't even slaved them if armour based. your DR, slaves, brick tank.....the mommy pilot would die from boredom if no save op before the shooters kill them. Self destruct to end the pain more quickly...I would not blame them for that even.

Basically with net damage you are bringing back stuff CCP nerfed, with extreme prejudice and deliberation. When they do this...they don't bring it back later generally.

This will only cause a stalemate in large fleet engagements, not a good idea.

You know there's a preexisting thread discussing this EXACT thing right?

Short version: Damage caps/reduction on spaceships are far too unpredictable due to the large amount of fitting choices on spaceships.

first off all this game involves HPz and reps so focused fire will always be a thing. although I do see what you're getting at I don't think this is the right way to accomplish that.

what about ECM. Instead of it preventing a target ship from locking anything, how about a cycle breaks lock from the parent ship. the same way chaff and flares work now. add projected ECM for the ECM bonused hulls.

makes an alpha volley more difficult without frustrating game rules, and gets rid of an existing awful game mechanic get two birds stoned at one ;)

So if a frigate pushes their dps over some arbitrary boundary 10 dreadnoughts now do as much damage as 9, correct?
The logic behind that is lost to me, could you please elaborate? And why does artillery need a nerf? And why do wrecking shots deal less damage than glancing blows all of a sudden? And didn't you want to make battleships great again? How does this help any ship with downfighting?

-1. This idea reeks to high heavens;

so, when I'm cruising around in my Typhoon, you not only need tackle to actually grab stuff, more tackle or paint to mitigate the way large weapons apply to smaller targets, but now even when we manage all this you still think it's fair to cap damage.

May I ask WHY?

There is also the small issue of high alpha weapons such as Artillery turrets, who pay dearly for this in DPS output. They track poorly, they output sub-par damage, often requiring multiple tracking enhancing modules and/or rigs to become viable; and they eat powergrid like no other. -BUT- they deliver Alpha. Their one redeeming quality.

Your proposal takes entire doctrines, schools of thought, and throws them in the trashbin- not only the alphastrike doctrines, but the solid buffer counter-doctrines as well.

Here too, I see plenty going to waste for no reason.

DPS is DPS whether you do it all at once or every second.