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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.06 17:00:06 -
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Only problem with battleships is the pilots trying to fly them. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.07 07:18:50 -
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There is a lot of misinformation here from people who seem to think battleships should be some sort of I win card. As someone who has spent great deal of time in these hulls I can safely say that battleships are more than able to get around quickly, fully able to pin down even interceptors and well able to disengage. While bombs are an issue it's mostly a shield issue, armour battleship fleets can handle 100+. The man reason you don't see as many battleship fleets is the fact that T3C get the same tank with a tiny sig and can run their prop mod and weapons while being cap stable. This effectively gives T3C a massive tank even compared to battleships. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.07 07:33:18 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Beast of Revelations wrote: If not that, then I see no reason to keep the name 'battleship' if it doesn't match up with anything in a historical context, so the other option could be to change the name to something else. The term 'battleship' is supposed to convey just that - a battleship.
Short of inventing new names or possibly adapting some aircraft ones, I think we are stuck with the naval names even if the details differ. I like the idea of converting more battleships (especially Gal and Min) to logi or ewar.
Stay away from my battleships. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.07 09:30:41 -
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Steffles wrote:Beast of Revelations wrote:baltec1 wrote:There is a lot of misinformation here from people who seem to think battleships should be some sort of I win card. Just because someone doesn't think battleships are in the right place doesn't mean that person thinks battleships should be an 'i win card.' Quote:The man reason you don't see as many battleship fleets is the fact that T3C get the same tank with a tiny sig and can run their prop mod and weapons while being cap stable. This effectively gives T3C a massive tank even compared to battleships. This probably points to one of the issues. Why are T3C so darn good? T3's are not that good. If they were you would see significant numbers of them but you don't. There are certainly applications that make T3C's, T3D's, Cruisers and other ships overpowered but they are not hull specific. Take a look at some of my alts kills: L Dopa There's a Covert Ops Tengu that I lost to NC, that started off with me agressing a dictor which I killed later. That agression turned into a couple of inties and cruisers showing up, followed by couple of HAC's, eventually an Aeon arrived which still didn't manage to kill me, I think there were 12 ships at that point unable to break my tank, finally they dropped a Hel and I melted. Tengu OP? Nope. That Tengu was fitted with a battleship sized cap battery and a battleship sized XL shield booster. Those two oversized mods fitting on that T3C is why it was so overpowered. I think it tanked around 2k dps per second. I have another kill on L Dopa, an Onyx which tanked a fleet of 20 thrashers who ran away after I started killing them, later I tanked a fleet of 15 Svipul's which again ran away and refused to engage again after I killed one or two. An Onyx can tank cap stable a ridiculous amount of damage, up to 3-4k dps (twice as much as a battleship) and still put out 400 dps cap stable, and comes with a 37k long infinite point long scram. Again the reason, battleship sized cap battery and battleship sized XL boosters, or you can get a battleship sized buffer tank on it again with oversized extenders. Its not the hulls that need nerfing.
It's very much the hulls that need nerfing. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.07 10:05:07 -
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Those are not the fleet comp T3C we are talking about here. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.07 17:10:11 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Just want to point out that if we feel the need to nerf a whole bunch of other ships just to make battleships viable, then it's probably easier and better to just buff the battleships.
People like their ships, and nerfing T3C's won't make them fly battleships, the same way nerfing high-sec won't make carebears interested in low.
There are several kinds of T1 cruisers, and several classes of T2 cruisers. Compared to the multitude of cruisers (and frigates), there are way too few battleship types. EVE doesn't have gear progression, and bigger isn't better, but I feel that there should be a greater diversity of battleships, given that they're sort of the end-of-the-line as far as subcaps.
The 4 T3C invalidate way more than battleships. I think at the last count some 60+ ships were either invalidated or matched by T3C.
We are talking of a cruiser that gets more EHP than a battleship, a sig half the size, 3x faster, better tracking and more firepower all while being cap stable.
That is in no way balanced. Never mind battleships, how are AHACs supposed to compete with that? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.07 19:37:47 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:
I don't disagree about T3C's, but this is a battleships thread.
They are the reason so many complain about battleships. The ideas always wind up being to buff battleships to ever higher levels to beat the T3C, power creep is very bad. You need to whack to 4 problem ships not buff everything around them. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.08 17:00:03 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Wanda Fayne wrote: Pick a battleship. I will fit and fly that battleship. Meet me in space with ANYTHING you choose to fly.
This scenario hides one of the major reasons why battleships aren't more popular. How about you fly the battleship and he flies whatever he wants, and both of you start in Jita and have to go to the deep end of Providence, with whoever gets there first being able to add to his fleet 1 friend/alt per every 10 minutes spent waiting for the other person. the op said PVP, not traveling We can't all just sit on the gate/titan and wait for the "fight" to fall in our laps.
People are roaming in gate traveling carriers.
CCP gave us several things to get around warp speed so use them if you want to go fast. They have also given us several things for dealing with small ships such as rapid launchers, webs, the grapple and lower firepower but higher tracking guns. Droneboats are great vs smaller ships, the likes of the geddon make fantastic platforms and the Hyperion is far from a pushover. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.08 17:13:42 -
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Steffles wrote: As for the T3C = too stronk, its rubbish. They're fine, as stated earlier with evidence which you failed to respond to, its the oversized modules that shouldn't be fit to smaller ships that are being fit to smaller ships, causing some of them to be OP.
I responded with an example that was better in every way than a battleship. A ship that is getting 7 bonuses that average out at 10% per level per bonus cannot ever be balanced. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.08 19:52:32 -
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Steffles wrote: Except it is balanced without oversized mods.
I didn't use any and still got more tank, a bit more firepower, better tracking, half the sig, 3x the speed and cap stability.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.09 09:35:58 -
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Spoken like someone who doesn't fly battleships.
Now lets look at the meta out there. If you want a battleship fleet you turn to T3C because they are faster, tank more, get better tracking and a so forth. People are not using battleships not because of any fault of the battleships, its because the T3C do their job better, same goes for AHAC fleets, BC fleets and so on.
Its not the oversized mods, its the massive amount of bonuses T3C get coupled with ample fitting room. No amount of your posting is going to change anyones mind on this, we all know thse ships are horribly overpowered, CCP knows they are horribly overpowered and they have been for far far too long. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.09 09:42:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
im seeing less and less t3c fleets going around these days...
The breakup of the old empires means a lot have moved around and money has been more tight. Now that people are getting settled expect them to come back. They have not lost any of their power. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.10 11:01:46 -
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Steffles wrote: Show me a T3C that doesn't use oversized modules that is overpowered. I'd be interested to see one.
[Megathron, Baltec Fleet]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermal Hardener Adaptive Nano Plating II
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 3200
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large Anti-EM Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Pimp fitted baltec fleet mega. 166k EHP, 518 DPS, 135 m/s (968 m/s with MWD running) sig 380 (2.28k with MWD). Cost 660 mil
[Proteus, oh no Proteus]
Damage Control II Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
165k EHP, 574 DPS, 210 m/s (516 m/s with AB running), sig 176, Cost 625 mil.
So the T3 cruiser is faster (its cap stable running both its guns and its AB) , half the sig (or 12x smaller if the mega is using its MWD), a bit more firepower thank to the insane thak allowing for 2 damage mods and to cap it all off, the damn thing is cheaper.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.10 11:14:47 -
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Lan Wang wrote:its not really cheaper though, if you die you're adding an injector on top of that.
Who bothers with that?
You generally have the time between these fights to get that skill back.
We still have a cruiser that thinks its a battleship here. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.11 10:42:13 -
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Steffles wrote:
So cheaper than the T3, more dps, twice as much cargo, 30k less tank but 224 armor reps x number of ships in fleet, discounting any logi. Has utiliity for web (fitted) or tracking disruptor, damps etc etc, better range, slightly slower until in web range. Could also ditch the remote rep and fit a nuet
Clearly its a match for the T3 and my money would be on this over the T3 anyday in a fleet, its a better ship.
Less DPS, slower, 1.7x larger sig, not cap stable, slower locking time.
Other major flaws are you have gone with RR which means they must ball up which makes them very vulnerable to titan DD and bombing runs. They are also impossible to resupply if you welp a few fleets as you cannot maintain the supply. They also will get chewed up by a carrier force and can be dread bombed effectively.
Steffles wrote: Fact is its not the T3's that overpowered, its the addition of the oversized mods and the battleships are vastly underpowered.
So you think the mod that is adding 5k armour HP is the thing overpowering T3C, not the 37.5% bonus to armour hitpoints coupled with the 7 other bonuses the ship is getting coupled with the ample fitting room. Lets go through them.
7.5% bonus to armor hitpoints per level. 10% bonus to warp disruptor and warp scrambler range per level. 5% bonus to power output per level. 10% bonus to medium hybrid turret damage per level 10% bonus to medium hybrid turret falloff per level 7.5% bonus to medium hybrid turret tracking per level 15% reduction in afterburner and microwarpdrive capacitor consumption per level 5% reduction in module heat damage amount taken per skill level
How exactly is that balanced? We have a cruiser pulling battleship stats because of these bonuses and fitting room.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.11.12 17:12:42 -
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Steffles wrote: Has more dps.
100 less DPS.
Steffles wrote: Its slightly slower but given the web twice as fast in web range. With a tracking disruptor in close your Proteus is hitting for half the damage its hitting for, at mid range with a damp your proteus is hitting for 0 damage, switched out for a tracking disruptor at range 40km+ with optimal range script your proteus is hitting for 20dps while its hitting for 120. It has almost the same ehp (1/5 less) and its a t1.
In web range, on a rail ship...
Steffles wrote: The reason I chose the navy version is not because its better, its because the other Brutix are active rep bonused and this version is not. The Brutix because its a similiar ship to the Proteus.
The pprot is a cruiser, the very fact you are having to use navy battlecruisers and you still cannot match it shows how overpowered they are.
Steffles wrote: You list all the wonderful bonuses the Proteus gets however its not the bonuses that are important, its the completed ship and how that ship compares to other ships.
Take away those bonuses are it drops from battleship level to poor t1 cruiser level.
Steffles wrote:You can see here quite clearly that they are quite evenly matched. Within 5 k the Brutix is superior. Outside 5k to 30k they are close to even, the Proteus does more dps but the Brutix have remote reps and web outside of scram range meaning they dictate range. With a nuet the Prots will go down fast, outside of 40k the Brutix clearly destroy the Prots. There is no overwhelming superiority of T3 here. Sure you can say bombers will destroy remote repping Brutixs's but they'll do that to any ships with remote reps, or any fleet that anchors up.
Clearly yo have no idea how fleets operate in null. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.12 19:19:18 -
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Steffles wrote:575 Prot vs 609 Brutix - It has more dps.
480 for the brutix.
Steffles wrote: Brutix can fit both rails AND blasters.
There is a reason why nobody used med blasters in large fleet actions.
Steffles wrote: The Proteus is a T3 Cruiser. Not a cruiser.
Hint is in the name. Its a cruiser, its supposed to be between t1 and t2 in terms of power, not beating battleships at being a battleship.
Steffles wrote: The issue is not one of class size its one of "Does the Proteus have a counter within reasonable range in terms of skill, cost and ability", "if it does its not overpowered". Given that the Brutix requires less skill training, less isk and can provide a counter to the Proteus then the Proteus is balanced unless the BNI is itself overpowered. Since the BNI is not overpowered then the Proteus cannot be overpowered.
You are still defending a cruiser by comparing it to a navy battlecruiser.
Steffles wrote: Take away those bonuses and its not a T3 cruiser.
Its not overpowered you mean. The bonuses are what is causing the problem, you simply cannot add that many bonuses and not get an overpowered ship, no matter what class of hull. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.12 21:12:58 -
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Steffles wrote:600 dps. It fields 5 med drones.
That get left behind with the first tactical warp.
Steffles wrote: Heres 3 more for you.
Damnation - 190k ehp (more than both your Prot and Battleship), 240k ehp if you add a links vs 212 Prot with same links. Fully cap stable with everything running. 500dps. Selectable ammo type. Murders the Proteus with its nuet and nova's. With MWD much much faster and small sig since mwd velocity cancels out sig bloom + adds sig reduction due to extra velocity.
Buffer Onyx - 137k ehp (23k less ehp than Prot), fully cap stable. Selectable ammo type. Murders the Proteus with its nova's and resists. Has a lovely 37k infinite scram. Close to the same damage with scourge.
Buffer Eagle - 150k ehp (10k less than Proteus), 1685 m/s cap stable. Optimal with antimatter 41k vs 18k. At optimal for the Eagle, Prot is doing almost no damage.
The point is your saying the Proteus is overpowered because its equal to a battleship. So are the ships above. The damnation is worse than the Proteus in that regard. It has a bigger tank than the Proteus, more utility and cruiser sized selectable damage type weaponry.
[Eagle, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II
Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
[Damnation, New Setup 1] Syndicate 1600mm Steel Plates True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile x 5 Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer [empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Valkyrie II x5
[Onyx, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field 10MN Afterburner II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Light Missile x 5 Warp Disruption Field Generator II, Focused Warp Disruption Script
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Eagle is not cap stable, has a massive sig, far less firepower, less tank, worse tracking.
damnation colossal sig, poor damage application, poor range, less firepower even before we take into account poor application.
Onyx, unable to break an enemy fleet, less tank.
None of those ships are equal to battleships, they all have flaws which is why nobody is flying your fits. T3C do not have flaws, they can be fitted to be better than battleships at the role of being a battleship as well as being better BC, hacs, cov ops and so on. Your rambling shitfits changes nothing, T3C are horribly overpowered and its the bonuses that are causing it. You simply cannot slap on 8 bonuses, most of them 10% per level and not get an overpowered ship. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.12 23:09:01 -
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Steffles wrote: The reason nobody is flying them is because there is no T3C emergency and there is no need to have 150k ehp cruisers to counter your fantasy of the T3C emergency.
We dont want 130k ehp cruisers to counter T3C we want T3C to be cruisers, not pocket battleships.
Steffles wrote: People are flying canes, cerbs, svipuls, T3's, rattles, bhargests, Caracals, Machs, etc etc. If Prots were so amazingly overpowered that's all we'd see in fleets but its not.
People flew all sorts of things back when cavalry ravens existed, back when titans had remote AOE doomsdays, back when the dram was god, back when nano was everything.
Steffles wrote: T3's don't need to be nerfed to make battleships good again, battleships need to be buffed and made more mobile and they need better damage application (turret based RHML). That's it.
That's called power creep. You don't buff everything around the 4 overpowered ships you nerf the problem ships. Hence why T3D are getting the sledge hammer applied to their face. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.13 09:22:11 -
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Steffles wrote: They're not pocket battleships. As I've demonstrated they are in line with HP of battlecruisers, interdiction cruisers and some of the heavy assault cruisers and command ships which are also cruisers. You'd have to nerf those along with T3C's which would make them useless.
The issue is battleships not cruisers.
You are still using a ship class above cruisers to try and say cruisers that are pulling battleship stats are not overpowered. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.13 14:02:04 -
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Steffles wrote: Nah not really. The onyx can get a battleship tank. Its a cruiser. The Eagle can get a battleship tank its a cruiser. Battlecruisers can get battleship tanks, actually as I demonstrated they get a hell of a lot more than both battleships and T3's yet theyr'e not battleships, they're mid way between battleships and cruisers if you like.
Admit you're wrong and we can move on to discussing fixing battleships, not nerfing T3's for no reason.
We already picked apart your shitfits. Literally nobody is agreeing with you here including CCP. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.14 09:38:08 -
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Steffles wrote: "We" as in just you.
Everyone in this thread says they are overpowered. CCP says they are overpowered. So yea, its just you.
Steffles wrote: You gave no actual argument basically because you don't have one.
Aside from highlighting the a huge number of bonuses and examples of why we use them over battleships.
Steffles wrote: YOU are whinging about the T3 Proteus having some sort of uber tank @ 160k ehp yet I put up a T2 HAC that had 150k ehp, outranged your proteus by 30km optimal with the same guns and ammo, was faster yet your only criticism was it did 400 dps instead of 530 and had a slightly larger sig. You completely ignore that fact that being faster and having 30km more optimal with 0antimatter means its untouchable by your proteus. Your proteus is doing 30dps at 40k, while my eagle is doing 100dps.
I posted a T2 battlecruiser that blows your Proteus and T1 Battleship EHP out of the water at 190k ehp which pretty much destroys your argument that the T3 is overpowered because it can get battleship EHP. This T2 can get 40k ehp above the Proteus's.
All of which are shitfits. They are either super easy to kill, easy to out maneuver or can't do any damage to an enemy fleet. You have been told this multiple times.
Steffles wrote: I also pointed out that in the past when a ship or doctrine was overpowered that almost all large alliances and coalitions would use that ship or doctrine over any other (Drakes, Ishtar's etc) yet this apparantly overpowered ship is not even in the top three most used.
remote titan doomsdays were horribly overpowered and only used by a few dosen, yet they still got nerfed. An overpowered ship is an overpowered ship. That said the only t3c not in the top 10 killers list is the legion so there another thing you are wrong about.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.14 17:39:12 -
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Steffles wrote: People saying they are overpowered doesn't mean they are overpowered. Proof is required and you have supplied none. I supplied lots.
You provided a bunch of poorly fitted ships. I provided a ship that is better than the Imperiums megathron fleet mega on steroids. The issue is we have a cruiser pulling better than battleship stats, that is what makes the prot overpowered. I said before and I'll say it again, take away those bonuses and those stats a drastically reduced.
Steffles wrote:Again bonuses mean nothing. The ship as a whole needs to be looked at and it has been and its been proven to NOT be overpowered. [/qute] When? CCP is also saying these ships are overpowered, they have been a joke for years now, everyone knows they are over powered including you. Steffles wrote: None of which are shitfits.
All of your ideas are horribly flawed. Rapid lights vs a cane fleet? eagles with battleship sized sigs? using a rail navy brutis in web range? These are not sound plans. [quote=Steffles] None are in the top 3. End of story. You're wrong but simply too biased or too salty about T3C's to admit it.
Its at number 4 on that list. The top rated ship that isn't a svipul (EVEs most glaringly overpowered ship), isn't the most popular tackle interceptor and not the most used dictor. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.16 06:58:55 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Shesuj Shayiskhun wrote:So far the dominix and megathrons are doing very well in pvp.
'Geddons too.
All of them do well, even the rokh which is still lord of the pipe bomb. The problem comes when you get people who only fly around in ships like the svipul who try a battleship, die horribly and blame the hull rather than themselves. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.16 17:17:57 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote: Perhaps you think a couple of frigs or cruisers should be able to take out a super-capital?
Given enough time and ammo they can, even NPCs have taken down a nyx. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:25:24 -
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Steffles wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:"Balls of Pure Amarrian Steel." Priceless. That video inspired me with my current levels of 'Geddon-love. I'm still convinced that it may be the single most versatile ship in the game. We're talking battleships though. The Geddon has bonuses to Nuets (a generic non-battleship weapon), Bonuses to drones (a generic non-battleship weappon) and can use RHML which shoots cruiser sized missiles. Lets see that with a battleship that can't fit RHML, bonused nuets and bonused drones...
Pest and cruise phoon |
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