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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3089
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Posted - 2016.11.13 08:25:46 -
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Careby wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:CCP, can you please check the invention time of the Industrial Core II, on SiSi and TQ it says for me 10 day.  This can't be right for a ~100M item? You're not supposed to tell anyone it's on TQ!
Why?
The T2 item is not listed in the market yet, but everybody can simulate the invention. I was not expecting it to actually work, so didn't try ... however if you can start the invention already now, this would be an explanation for the extra time, to make sure the BPC does not come into existence before Tuesday. Did CCP ever do this kind of move before, without notice?
Clarification is required.
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Jack Oat
Brothers In Arms.
SOLAR FLEET
2
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Posted - 2016.11.13 13:35:19 -
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CCP Please,
Allow some grace period of a week or two,
to allow players to actually build at least some new infrastructure.
Regards,
Jack |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2801
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Posted - 2016.11.13 14:05:07 -
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Fozzie and the CSM, how about you use your time more constructively instead? I have something that needs fixing: Sort the god damn list entries in the component section in Blueprints alphabetically! Their sorting is completely random and a mess, whereas the everywhere else things are properly sorted in alphabetic order. This has been an issue for over many years now!
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Maenth
The Thirteen Provinces
27
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Posted - 2016.11.14 02:15:27 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Fozzie and the CSM, how about you use your time more constructively instead? I have something that needs fixing: Sort the god damn list entries in the component section in Blueprints alphabetically! Their sorting is completely random and a mess, whereas everywhere else things are properly sorted in alphabetic order. This has been an issue for over many years now!
Same with the list of facilities in the industry panel drop-down menu
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Lightning Q
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
2
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Posted - 2016.11.14 10:38:41 -
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Ellowah
Since I build the normal caps I can agree on longer manufactering times for the carriers/dreads.
The market got saturated (for some caps) after the latest expantions.
However longer ME & TE research I do NOT agree on, it already takes years to get these bpo's researched.
Let alone before the BPO + research is earned back.
Copying I can agree on, since if people will be building less caps less bpc's will be needed, or risk an oversuply of BPC's.
And it's better to sell coppies at a proper price then trowing them away for a few mil.
And indeed sort the Required Materials list alphabeticly ! how hard can that be :p
No experience with supers or titans so can't comment on those % |
Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
70
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Posted - 2016.11.14 10:47:25 -
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Careby wrote:Messenger Of Truth wrote:...So I wonder if every blueprint should get a 30% TE reduction due to the introduction of ECs witih silly levels of bonuses. Starting a year long research job in a destructible EC is not without risk.
Only if you don't bother to log in and cancel the job during the 8+days between your EC being first attacked and being destroyed!
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Careby
311
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Posted - 2016.11.14 12:00:10 -
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Messenger Of Truth wrote:Careby wrote:Starting a year long research job in a destructible EC is not without risk.
Only if you don't bother to log in and cancel the job during the 8+days between your EC being first attacked and being destroyed!
Canceling research jobs accomplishes nothing. Assuming you don't do your research in wormhole space, the BPO is not at risk either way. But the job installation cost and the time spent researching are lost when the structure is destroyed OR when you cancel the job. I don't know about you, but for me the risk of losing months of research on expensive blueprints is at least something to consider when choosing between EC and station.
For manufacturing jobs, canceling won't save you anything either, but it does deny the attacker a chance at some loot.
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Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
192
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Posted - 2016.11.15 03:07:32 -
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So ME 9 to 10 on a titan blueprint will take 1313 days * .3472 = 455 days (- a month or so for the 5% implant) in a destructible facility. New entities seeking to enter this level of gameplay are going to be thrilled!
Good thing some people have grandfathered ME10 blueprints that were handed to them a couple years back.
Build time? Sure. Copy? Yeah, it encourages people to get more blueprints in general and deters the ability of the grandfathered few to saturate the market with perfect copies.
Research? If the bonuses are too strong, the bonuses are too strong and it will affect markets wider than this change. Why arbitrarily increase it for these particular blueprints, instead of toning down the bonuses, or a proper balance pass on blueprints?
If the change does not affect components, only the hulls, will it have the desired result? Particularly in the regular cap department? The research change will only delay the inevitable of producers getting additional hull prints up to acceptable levels. Then it's back to current production rates using their current, researched component library. It does more to handicap new producers entering the market than lower overall production rates, or prevent a would-be increase. |
GeeBee
Paragon Fury
Tactical Narcotics Team
124
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Posted - 2016.11.15 03:18:15 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hi folks. With the upcoming release of Engineering Complexes in Ascension, we're taking the opportunity to look at the build/research/copy times of some of the largest blueprints in EVE. This will help ensure that production rates don't get too out of control with the bonuses on the new structures, and also generally cleans up some of the progression of build times between smaller and larger items. The current plan is: - Titan/Supercarrier blueprints: +100% build/research/copy time
- Carrier/Dread/Force Aux/Rorqual blueprints: +33% build/research/copy time
- All Upwell Structure blueprints: +33% build/research/copy time
Shout of the the CSM for helping ensure this stayed on our radar. Let us know what you think in this thread. Thanks!
I would like to request the 100% research time on Titan/Supercarrier blueprints not be implemented - no research time increase or at max 33% research time increase is needed. The Market for researching Super/Titan BPO's has been borked ever since Greyscale Nuked the old ME/PE system and converted to this new system. The time and cost of researching blueprints from the old system to the new system is already out of line. This simply reinforces the balance of power in the game to older players.
I'm not going to do the math to show the work but you're making a huge mistake here. I agree with the copy times and build times but not research times, that is already way too high and too long.
Until there is at least some form of incremental progress on the levels of the blueprints I strongly suggest this be reconsidered. |
Tasuku Furukawa
SAKUMA DROP
Caladrius Alliance
2
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Posted - 2016.11.15 15:47:37 -
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I am disappointed that research time is increasing by Ascension update. 
Why you force new manufacturer to further burden ?
I can't understand.
Japanese DUST and EVE player.Character name is DJIPS/Tasuku Furukawa.
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Kenrailae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
640
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Posted - 2016.11.15 16:29:41 -
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Vaughn Blackleg wrote:Fozzie, Please, whatever you do with the prints thats fine, but please can we get stacking BPC's for the Capital components. Please. Have you tried to count out copies for a Titan ?? Painfull.
This^
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Tasuku Furukawa
SAKUMA DROP
Caladrius Alliance
2
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Posted - 2016.11.16 08:35:03 -
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Before Ascension update, there is no TE bonus about build to SC/TT. The maximum job speed bonus available from Upwell structures after Ascension is 65.28%, so I agree increasing SC/TT build time.
About copying, there has been outpost TE bonus between 20%~60% before Ascension. Increasing required time exceed bonus change, but a time required copying is not so long, so I agree increasing copy time.
Researching is same as copying, but required time is so long and cost is so heavy. After Ascension, researching SC 9 to 10 with ideal environment required about 11.2 months. If TT, required 16.8 months. I think It's crazy, so I disagree increasing research time.
At this thread, many people agree increasing required time about build and copy but disagree about research. CCP Fozzie, please tell us what you get by our feedback.
Japanese DUST and EVE player.Character name is DJIPS/Tasuku Furukawa.
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Mordachai
SevLite Enterprises Inc.
6
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Posted - 2016.11.16 12:38:38 -
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Vaughn Blackleg wrote:Fozzie, Please, whatever you do with the prints thats fine, but please can we get stacking BPC's for the Capital components. Please. Have you tried to count out copies for a Titan ?? Painfull.
pwetty please do somethign about the gizillion cans with 1k copies in them .... |
Fifth Blade
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
78
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Posted - 2016.12.04 13:31:14 -
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Would be nice if some of the Citadel / Engineering Array Blueprints could benefit from ME research. The current design means that only the largest variants benefit outside of rapid equipment array build times with 5 ME (Which will obviously be removed with poses).
By making ME research pointless you remove a whole style of long-term research and investment which makes the player market, and potential resale of them very minimal. Please rethink this decision. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Badfellas Inc.
322
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Posted - 2016.12.04 20:00:56 -
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Fifth Blade wrote:Would be nice if some of the Citadel / Engineering Array Blueprints could benefit from ME research. The current design means that only the largest variants benefit outside of rapid equipment array build times with 5 ME (Which will obviously be removed with poses).
By making ME research pointless you remove a whole style of long-term research and investment which makes the player market, and potential resale of them very minimal. Please rethink this decision.
even the most basic one benefits from me bonuses once you hit me 8 combined with a rigged EC...
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