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DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.30 15:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Kardea Oi, Funkyshades. Thanks for standing up for me. I'm not whining, I'm simply stating something I think is rapidly becoming fact. I would not have been surprised at ten battleships gatecamping me. I -am- surprised when a mothership does it. It's not the fact that I lost an expensive t2 setup. It's the fact that I lost it to a ship that supposed to be legendary, but is now more and more and more commonplace. I pvp quite a bit in low sec and 0.0 and have only ever seen a MS twice. think that's about right to me. DE
Nyran Kheiron	Posted - 2007.03.30 15:40:00 - [32] I must say I'm a little confused on the SP numbers presented so far. I started this character in December '05 and have logged in today for the first time in over 6 months (I went and played WoW :P ) and my SP count is over 13mil. Admittingly 2.5 mil of that is in Learning skills and they're, along with standard frigate skills, are the first I learnt. Just how much of a difference does +1 on an attribute make? Also, as for the excessively large and numerous ships, I fail to see a problem. There isn't a single thing one player can do that another can't if they put in the effort. For the most part they're the product of team efforts anyway so it'll be somewhat illogical to believe solo players should consistantly remain competative. That and people get bored. Eventually, you might get bored with fleet engagements in your spiffy new Titan and just get the urge to gate camp in a 0.4. Most people consider it more of an honour to die in such a fashion. It sure beats that time I lost an Omen to a Punisher and Rifter duo.
Barbens	Posted - 2007.03.30 16:22:00 - [33] Well...If you dont want to risk ships, stay out of low sec... Barbens
Neo Maximus	Posted - 2007.03.30 16:30:00 - [34] Edited by: Neo Maximus on 30/03/2007 16:29:45 Edited by: Neo Maximus on 30/03/2007 16:28:38 Edited by: Neo Maximus on 30/03/2007 16:27:41 I started my first character in March, 2006. I played for 2 months before getting bored and going back to wow. About 4 or so months later (i don't remember) i came back and started playing eve again (while playing wow). I didn't train up my learning skills and then advance learning skills to 4 (except charisma) until after i had came back. Before taking a break on eve, i had only trained some basic learning skills to rank 4, however, if i had done more training for skills earlier on, i would probably have more sp now. The difference that a +1 to an attribute makes, as we all know, depends on what the primary attribute and secondary attribute for the skill. The greater the multiplier of that skill and, hence, the more time it takes for a rank of that skill to complete, the more of a difference you will see. For example: If i was to train a skill that was to take around 5 days; +1 to the primary attribute may lesson the training time by around 8-12 hours (im not sure, im just guessing). If you were to train a long skill like Battleship 5, +1 to the primary attribute makes a huge difference. (When i had gotten a +3 perception implant, my training time for Gallante Battleship 5 went from 49 days to 43 days.) - And as for whoever thinks or said that there should be an accelerated process for new characters training skills so they can catch up; you can't do this. Eve is based around the skills and has to be constant. The idea is bad for 1: It's not fair for the people who have been playing and paying for years to get where they are now; 2: You shouldn't comprimise how the game mechanics, such as this, works so it benefits other players - it just leads to more spoiled people whining for changes in patches, rather than they work for things and actually TRY to play well; and 3: A game get's quite boring when everyone is able to become close to the same as everyone else. There's a need for a difference in characters as it keeps variation in players; not to mention, from ccp's point of view, it also keeps people playing longer. My strongest point is in #1 though. -Also; as far as the OP goes, sounds like this was a QQ'ing attempt to get attention. If it wasn't he wouldn't have added the last part of his post: Quote: I think it may very well be time for me to lay down my aviator glasses and kiss EVE goodbye.Evil or Very Mad
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.30 16:32:00 - [35] I expect as you see more and more people with the ability and the funds to fly motherships in empire, it will become a big problem, especially given the motherships immunity to ew. Having said that I expect one of two things to happen in response (its only a matter of time.) Either the Motherships will have their EW immunity removed, or they will be relegated to 0.0. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Brother Funkyshades Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.30 16:42:00 - [36] Edited by: Brother Funkyshades on 30/03/2007 16:38:26 how about making those things ewar immune in 0.0 but not in lowsec? add some rp gibberish about calibration from jumpgates or spatial anomalies or whatnot and done? would at least show which lowsec prats have balls to fly em then. i dont say its a good idea. just a thought.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.30 16:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Brother Funkyshades Edited by: Brother Funkyshades on 30/03/2007 16:38:26 how about making those things ewar immune in 0.0 but not in lowsec? add some rp gibberish about calibration from jumpgates or spatial anomalies or whatnot and done? would at least show which lowsec prats have balls to fly em then. i dont say its a good idea. just a thought. That really isn't a bad idea at all. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Greenbolt	Posted - 2007.03.30 16:48:00 - [38] I do have to agree with the poster to a small degree. I live in low sec areas..and twice weve had a bored pilot of a Mothership come visit just for giggles. (Guess it was a lull in alliance ops and they had the urge to stirr things up.). Best you really can do in low sec vs a mothership is snipe some fighters and hope the owner gets bored and moves on onless you have a fairly large fleet of your own nearby. Motherships are defenately overpowered for 0.4 space. As the game progresses and you see more n more motherships and titans floating around...this may become a larger issue. Then again..if they add L5 missions and L6 missions...then you will have something for bored cap pilots to do. Dont they call this adding more end game material or something in most mmos?
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.30 17:06:00 - [39] Ganked in low sec with no chance to win = no fun. Ganked in low sec with SOME chance to win = fun. Ganking in low sec with 100% chance to win = fun for the epeen challenged. "If you don't agree with me it's because you're stoopider than I am."
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.30 17:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Drunk Driver Ganked in low sec with no chance to win = no fun. Ganked in low sec with SOME chance to win = fun. Ganking in low sec with 100% chance to win = fun for the epeen challenged. "If you don't agree with me it's because you're stoopider than I am." Ganking in low sec with no chance to win = fun. Ganking in low sec with SOME chance to win = fun. Ganking in low sec with 100% chance to win = fun. DE
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:17:00 - [41] Edited by: Nymos on 31/03/2007 17:17:21 Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Originally by: Zaqar Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Since when was 0.4 Empire? I was under the impression it was low security? 0.4 = low-sec empire I thought Empire space is determined by Police presence and Concorde response... there isn't any in 0.4, ergo it is not Empire? no, high sec is defined like that. empire means that one of the four major factions claim sovereignity (their space reaches into low sec). if you're in caldari low sec you will see sovereignity claimed by caldari in the upper right corner of the screen. edit: typo --
Mi Lai Under Influence	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:25:00 - [42] Either they should allow Dictor Bubbles to work in low sec or prohibit Supercapitals from fighting there. I preffer the former
Neblua	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:34:00 - [43] Originally by: Jex Jast TBH I think you just got the most fantastic owning of your life and are unable to see it as such. Rather, you come in here and boo hoo about it when it was perfectly fair. Just because it was a ridiculous way to kill you doesn't make this OP any better than the typical carebear whine. Your only saving grace is that you were calm and logical about it. But the fact remains that you were fair game to anyone who could get you, even a Nyx/Fast-Lock Abaddon combo. And you are to blind to see that a problem exists.
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Can I have your stuff? Can't you read? His stuff got blown up And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:03:00 - [45] MS = LowSec I win button. Not so much in 0.0.
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.03.31 22:05:00 - [46] I think one of the main problems is that 2 things have occured: firstly, the game has seen a whole series of dramatic changes between cold war and revalations in terms of ships, mods, etc.. for the first 2-3 years of eve you had frigs, cruisers, battleships and you pretty much knew where you stood. With the introduction of capital ships things have shifted quite drastically. At the same time as all these changes came into play there was a relatively fast influx of new players and the nature of the game is such that the age of your char will always hold a physical barrier between your capabilities and those of older characters, regardless of your skill as a pilot. but this is not to say that new characters cant compete in the eve universe simply because whilst theyre running lvl 1's in an ibis for 10 units of veld youve got older characters fighting off fleets of bs's in a carrier. At the end of the day theres high sec and theres low sec. these two space types are NOT synonymous with 'safe' and 'unsafe' space, theres always a risk even in 1.0. But the point is that new characters can train and advance in relative safety before they feel they can venture into more optimistic regions. If its 'too hard' or 'too unfair' then eve just isnt the game for you. try wow.
captain kikaz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.03.31 23:11:00 - [47] oo oo oo can i play cluedo i'm gonna say it was myz cenjui in rancer with the nyx
Thomas Maleficus Caldari all professions	Posted - 2007.04.01 00:08:00 - [48] I can't say I agree with the OP. Good things take time. Yeah it sucks that there are more wtfpwn capital ships, but they aren't battleship common yet. In reference to the SP thing, it's possible to train approx 1.3M per month possibly more, if you have the right attributes for the character you want. I chose combat only path and stick to just combat skills, so far at 10 months I have 13.5 million SP.
Celvice Klein The Hand Trade Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 01:01:00 - [49] Originally by: Kardea It's not the fact that I lost an expensive t2 setup. It's the fact that I lost it to a ship that supposed to be legendary, but is now more and more and more commonplace. Titans are the new Mothership. And when titans become common... tech 2 titans? As for SP, my attributes are in all the wrong places and with no implants I get about 1 mil sp/month
Reycks Armunicus Gallente CoreTech Industries	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:19:00 - [50] In response to the original poster: I get the feeling Eve is kinda supposed to be like that. The mothership will probably get blown up sooner or later, and someone will have a lot of fun doing it. Maybe you could make a goal of yours?
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.01 08:19:00 - [51] Originally by: Reycks Armunicus In response to the original poster: I get the feeling Eve is kinda supposed to be like that. The mothership will probably get blown up sooner or later, and someone will have a lot of fun doing it. Maybe you could make a goal of yours? How will it get blown up if its in lowsec? also welcome to Capital Ships Online
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.04.01 10:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Reycks Armunicus In response to the original poster: I get the feeling Eve is kinda supposed to be like that. The mothership will probably get blown up sooner or later, and someone will have a lot of fun doing it. Maybe you could make a goal of yours? How will it get blown up if its in lowsec? also welcome to Capital Ships Online pilots make mistakes. all it takes is for his cap to get a bit low when faced with a force designed to take out a mothership and he's toast. The problem is most MS pilots are super cautious atm so would rather run away than stick around to fight if they need to use cap. But, when they get more common mistakes will happen DE
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.01 10:23:00 - [53] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/04/2007 10:20:21 Have to agree with the ops underlying message. Super capitals (and to some extent capitals) make the game worse (imo). Unfortunately they're neccessary given the nature of the space claiming game.
Trigger Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.03 08:56:00 - [54] omg, is this teh whiniest post ive seen in ages, i would rather be killed by 1 mothership than 15 idiots sat on a gate, at least there is less lag. you died get over it most pirates dont offer ransoms these days, its all about the kill mails not the isk. raking up points on the killboards. the people that can fly these ships have had long and tedious training, and have payed real cash to play for as long as they have.the ability to fly better ships is the reward for that cash, as for new players getting a boost, they already do and start off a lot more advanced then when i started playing nearly 4 years ago. maybe tetris is more to your liking
Tobias Lee	Posted - 2007.04.03 08:57:00 - [55] I cant beleive your moaning bout being popped in 0.4 by a mothership as others have said you were bait for 1 ship or 10 ships. its 0.4 ganks happen. AS one of those 50 m sp characters, i am seriously offended by your whining bout how powerful us vet chars are, ive spent 3 years in time and money building up my char making noob mistakes and getting popped. AS for catching up in skill points when i started playing eve buddy there were no advanced learning skills no implants at all. SO u got it good. IF u want to play a game with no skill involved go play wow or maybe u should go back to playing space invaders. but then again maybe u would whine bout how its infair when the invaders reach the bottom the screen its game over and its not fair how they speed up as you shoot them , and why can u only have 1 bullet on screen at a time. New char in eve got it good u start with more skill points its easier to make isk, u got warp to zero u can see ships destroyed on the map if u care to use it :P You can train advanced learns faster i did it with a new alt. buddy when i start eve 50k npc was the max and that was in 0.0 no missions, no cosmos no nuffin. so either learn froum your mistakes, or go play somethin else, and for the record i can fly a mothership but i have no where near the 34 billion isk to get one. IF your gonna stick with eve maybe u should join an aliance or a corp its a multi[layer game :P Kind Regards, V annoyed veteran eve player peeved off bout people whining that they dont have the sp :P
LiaLie Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.03 10:48:00 - [56] I like EVE. EVE is a funny game. I like to hunt rat's. BS rats is the best cuz theres most cash in them but i cant hunt in 0.0 without the chance of a pirat comming in on me when im like + dead. so i loose to a coward pirat sucks.... but why is there not any high sec. Belts with BS rats so pvp wasent allowed so people that did not want to do pvp had the same game as those that do. None pvp player dont have much else to do than do missions or mine with ore thiefs... Thats just to bad. There should be a EVE with none pvp for those who like the game with out pirats.... Note.... i like EVE as it is but im sure many would fall of the "1" server if another was made for none pvp. and then it would only be the pirats left to fight among them self. LiaLie
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:14:00 - [57] Originally by: LiaLie I like EVE. EVE is a funny game. I like to hunt rat's. BS rats is the best cuz theres most cash in them but i cant hunt in 0.0 without the chance of a pirat comming in on me when im like + dead. so i loose to a coward pirat sucks.... but why is there not any high sec. Belts with BS rats so pvp wasent allowed so people that did not want to do pvp had the same game as those that do. None pvp player dont have much else to do than do missions or mine with ore thiefs... Thats just to bad. There should be a EVE with none pvp for those who like the game with out pirats.... Note.... i like EVE as it is but im sure many would fall of the "1" server if another was made for none pvp. and then it would only be the pirats left to fight among them self. are you for real? if there were bs rats in high sec then no1 would come to low sec or 0.0 so pirates would get extremely bored. And i think you need to remind yourself that Eve is primarily a pvp game. and the phrase losing to a coward pirate just says to me that ur kinda whiney. DE courtesy of Raggii
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:14:00 - [58] Buy a Mothership, or fleet action? (or get two motherships in your fleet and wtfpwn the original MS Pirate). Militarily speaking the ability to pwn you enemy before he pwns you is vital to strategy. My experience is that under 0.5 is a very dangerous place to be alone. It used to be less dangerous as pirates were less gang'ed up, and by going around in gangs you had relative safety of numbers. Then pirates evolved into more organised groups, so the only way you could be a solo pirate was to bring more serious fire power to the table. Of course the two factions of pirate non-pirate are escalating rapidly, so its only a matter of time till pirates are flying dreadnaughts and Motherships, because that has become the only real solo choice (and eventually essential for piracy to continue as all sides tool up). Solo piracy/pvp is a dying art (it appears) and fleets are all the rage (although fleet means blob rather than fleet as in tactical fleet). The only way to avoid being ganked from Morden Heath to SU-17-V and back again is to fly something very powerful.... Welcome to the concept of arms races, and you probably understand why military tech sales are so astronomically profitable....
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:42:00 - [59] Ah here we go the self proclaimed tactical geniuses come out telling every one how to kill an MS in lowsec. Killmail and Fraps or STFU I SAY!
Father Shillelagh	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:49:00 - [60] To the OP, i sympathize with you. Ive nver been killed by a captial ship in empire but I have seen quite a few pratts pirating in them for easy kills. And lesson learned. Never come to these forums looking for support, 90% of the EvE community are total KNOBS( me included probably :P )

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