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murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 02:57:00 - [1] To all the carebear mission runners out there: if you're being offered a ransom, please take it. Pirates are doing you a favor. Don't smack them, don't argue with them, don't tell them that they're going to 'pod me anyway'. If they're trying to ransom you that means that they'd rather see your ship and equipment live. Odds are that it's a reasonable and fair ransom and that you'll be saving money by taking their offer. Otherwise all that is going to happen is that they're going to shred your ship, your pod, and probably every other ship and pod you have when they catch you over and over and over because you refuse to wise up and pay attention. Every time a mission runner gets podded, an angel gets it's wings. Please, think of the angels... Because I said so...
T'Renn Crimson Squall	Posted - 2007.03.31 03:23:00 - [2] zomg its m1! First in an m1 post! -- Wanna be a low-sec scumbag?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 03:30:00 - [3] lol. Because I said so...
Ma'lice Minmatar Sexa Inc	Posted - 2007.03.31 03:33:00 - [4] And rest assured, if it is I who is firing on you. I am rich and not worried about ransoming. My sole desire, my resolve, is eliminating your comfort zone and obliterating you. Sorry but I don't ransom. So F you to me in local or whatever you can cleverly muster in the heat of the moment will not sway me. Consider yourself popped if I'm not dying under the guns. I'm Killing without cause ( YOU MISSION RUNNERS). But that is just me personally. What M1 is stating is fact take it if it's offered. And I'm sure you'lll survive the encounter. Originally by: Portios Smith 1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug
Ma'lice Minmatar Sexa Inc	Posted - 2007.03.31 03:38:00 - [5] But yeah what M1 said. Originally by: Portios Smith 1 v 1 are like sex, be selective or catch a bug
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.31 04:06:00 - [6] I ransom because Caracal's usually drop crap loot.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 04:24:00 - [7] I see a lot of ePeen wagging here. Want to take on a carebear in a fair fight? Click my sig noobins.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.31 04:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Curzon Dax I see a lot of ePeen wagging here. Want to take on a carebear in a fair fight? Click my sig noobins. I don't fly battleships. No one in the world fights fair as we are not clones or all a-sexual
Kritinana	Posted - 2007.03.31 05:10:00 - [9] the bears perspective: i've only got ransomed once, well, only been pinned down once. I didn't pay, but not because i thought "screw u pie scum!!" or anything of that sort. in fact i found it rather entertaining, thinking to myself "sweet i'm getting ransomed by pirates! how cool is that **." The only reason i didn't pay it was because it was just a bit too much, i weighed my costs of destruction vs. cost of ransom and he was just a hare on the wrong side. So i told him "fire away, i'm insured, got loot, and i want to see what it looks like ')" I get the feeling he appreciated my attitude as he replied shortly after "you wern't lying, you really do have ** loot, you can come get it if you want". I suppose that or either he just didn't want my crap......i didn't want it either. threadjack aside.....bears point of view, pay it if its worth it, and consider yourself fortunate it was offered in the first place.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 05:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Curzon Dax I see a lot of ePeen wagging here. Want to take on a carebear in a fair fight? Click my sig noobins. see my post in your thread noob. Because I said so...
Josh Causto Gallente Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.31 05:41:00 - [11] lol o/ Murder
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 05:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Kritinana the bears perspective: i've only got ransomed once, well, only been pinned down once. I didn't pay, but not because i thought "screw u pie scum!!" or anything of that sort. in fact i found it rather entertaining, thinking to myself "sweet i'm getting ransomed by pirates! how cool is that **." The only reason i didn't pay it was because it was just a bit too much, i weighed my costs of destruction vs. cost of ransom and he was just a hare on the wrong side. So i told him "fire away, i'm insured, got loot, and i want to see what it looks like ')" I get the feeling he appreciated my attitude as he replied shortly after "you wern't lying, you really do have loot, you can come get it if you want". I suppose that or either he just didn't want my crap......i didn't want it either. threadjack aside.....bears point of view, pay it if its worth it, and consider yourself fortunate it was offered in the first place. I totally see your point. The whole point of my thread is because I have offered quite a few guys ransoms on their pods now, and I know they have the ISK, and I know they have hundreds of millions of implants, and I don't ask for too much (50-75m or so), and they still say no, because they think they're going to get podded anyway. Too many players assume that just because I killed their ship that I "have no honor" and that I'll kill them after I take their ransom. Because I said so...**
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 05:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Kritinana the bears perspective: i've only got ransomed once, well, only been pinned down once. I didn't pay, but not because i thought "screw u pie scum!!" or anything of that sort. in fact i found it rather entertaining, thinking to myself "sweet i'm getting ransomed by pirates! how cool is that **." The only reason i didn't pay it was because it was just a bit too much, i weighed my costs of destruction vs. cost of ransom and he was just a hare on the wrong side. So i told him "fire away, i'm insured, got loot, and i want to see what it looks like ')" I get the feeling he appreciated my attitude as he replied shortly after "you wern't lying, you really do have loot, you can come get it if you want". I suppose that or either he just didn't want my crap......i didn't want it either. threadjack aside.....bears point of view, pay it if its worth it, and consider yourself fortunate it was offered in the first place. I totally see your point. The whole point of my thread is because I have offered quite a few guys ransoms on their pods now, and I know they have the ISK, and I know they have hundreds of millions of implants, and I don't ask for too much (50-75m or so), and they still say no, because they think they're going to get podded anyway. Too many players assume that just because I killed their ship that I "have no honor" and that I'll kill them after I take their ransom. Because I said so...**
T'Renn Crimson Squall	Posted - 2007.03.31 07:00:00 - [14] Edited by: T''Renn on 31/03/2007 06:58:45 Originally by: murder one Too many players assume that just because I killed their ship that I "have no honor" and that I'll kill them after I take their ransom. This is because, quite frankly, people are inherently stupid and though they are supposed to act like reasonable, self-interested maximizers they in fact act like children who don't know how to weigh cost vs. benefit. We ransom pods and try to give reasonable ransom demands. People just let their foolish pride get in the way. They're mad at us for popping them, they're mad at CCP for not making low-sec even more facilitating for their laziness, and they're mad at themselves for that laziness that got them killed in the first place. Camping a gate is usually something you're at for a while - we typically camp our favorite gate for hours at a time, for instance - and the reason we don't move around too often is because we don't have to, despite the usual warnings by snitches in the neighboring high-sec system. Like I said - stupid. If more people paid ransoms for their pods, demand for implants would fall, which would lead in an increase in the amount of implant supply and thus a decrease in price. I don't know about the rest of Eve, but I'm all for cheaper implants! I'm also (incidentally) "all-for" snickering at the 20 or so frozen corpses of the fools who didn't pay floating around the gate I'm at. -- Wanna be a low-sec scumbag?
PCaBoo Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.31 08:18:00 - [15] I used to offer 10 day old characters ransoms. 1b for the pod. Oddly enough, none of them ever paid. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.31 09:57:00 - [16] see, what we're doing here is dressing up an insanely boring pastime; killing someone who poses no challenge, with big words and chest beating to get some ???? from it. It's the equivalent of an FPS-addict going into the newbie servers of your FPS game of choice. The experienced RTS player only facing someone who's only ever played against the PC, nobody respects them, and most wonder why they bother. The only good that can come from your bottom of the barrel gank-pvp is some of those people realising they can fit their ships for some pvp too, then go and splatter you and yer pod. They have plenty of sec status to spare, after all. Flashing White Box (rank 1)
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 10:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness see, what we're doing here is dressing up an insanely boring pastime; killing someone who poses no challenge, with big words and chest beating to get some ???? from it. It's the equivalent of an FPS-addict going into the newbie servers of your FPS game of choice. The experienced RTS player only facing someone who's only ever played against the PC, nobody respects them, and most wonder why they bother. The only good that can come from your bottom of the barrel gank-pvp is some of those people realising they can fit their ships for some pvp too, then go and splatter you and yer pod. They have plenty of sec status to spare, after all. Carebears are so cute when they spew their typical carebear rhetoric. I'm talking to all players who get their asses kicked, not just the noob non-pvp-fitted llamas that get caught by us evil pirates. I think warping in on three Ravens with my Ishtar solo is a pretty fair fight myself, even if the Ravens arn't specifically PVP fit. But regardless, carebears always start in right away that we're mean and evil and picking on 'poor defenseless noobs' and that we're less of a person and cowards for doing it. Get over it. 99% of the pirates I know kill everything. Big, small, noob, old. We don't ignore the old experienced players in favor of the noobs. Far from it. I specifically go after the oldest ones I can find, as they have waaay more ISK and better mods than the noobs do. I only kill noobs when there's nothing else to shoot. Because I said so...
Golden Helmet Caldari Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:09:00 - [18] Someone has to keep the T1 frig producers in business... right??... that's my justification at least What the OP said is true. Pay the ransom. More often than not, it'll be reasonable, save you both time and isk, and you'll be let go as per the agreement (if not, make a new topic here, and said pirate will get flamed to high hell). Theres no shame in paying the ransom, especially if it's reasonable and beneficial to you (yes I've been ransomed, twice I paid and once I wanted the insurance instead). So pay the man, pirates have kids to feed too you know BTW, to any and all carebears that find themselves under my guns, I rarely offer ransoms because I simply can't be bothered. Convo me before you pop and make an offer quick and you may just save your ship. Yarr
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:12:00 - [19] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness see, what we're doing here is dressing up an insanely boring pastime; killing someone who poses no challenge, with big words and chest beating to get some ???? from it. It's the equivalent of an FPS-addict going into the newbie servers of your FPS game of choice. The experienced RTS player only facing someone who's only ever played against the PC, nobody respects them, and most wonder why they bother. The only good that can come from your bottom of the barrel gank-pvp is some of those people realising they can fit their ships for some pvp too, then go and splatter you and yer pod. They have plenty of sec status to spare, after all. Carebears are so cute when they spew their typical carebear rhetoric. I'm talking to all players who get their asses kicked, not just the noob non-pvp-fitted llamas that get caught by us evil pirates. I think warping in on three Ravens with my Ishtar solo is a pretty fair fight myself, even if the Ravens arn't specifically PVP fit. But regardless, carebears always start in right away that we're mean and evil and picking on 'poor defenseless noobs' and that we're less of a person and cowards for doing it. Get over it. 99% of the pirates I know kill everything. Big, small, noob, old. We don't ignore the old experienced players in favor of the noobs. Far from it. I specifically go after the oldest ones I can find, as they have waaay more ISK and better mods than the noobs do. I only kill noobs when there's nothing else to shoot. I only bothered with eve because of the PvP side, it's PvE is...complete ****. y'know it's an mmo not a solo play game, I personally don't get why people don't actively embrace pvp, other games do PvE way better. Perhaps they should look at the EULA, they own nothing in this game except the fun they get out of it... anyhoo my character is training up for EW and stuff, only a few days off from trying to belt pirate in my griffin ah well, I got the (mistaken) impression you only go after newbs from the zeal of your post, please accept this datasheet of my apologies (0.1m3). Flashing White Box (rank 1)
Johnny Gurkha Caldari Villains	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:14:00 - [20] To the op - amen, just take it mission runners ffs and learn from it. A corpmate and I ransomed an Abaddon for 100 mill last night after she decided to stupidly warp into a belt and engage us after a little friendly baiting in local..... Battleships pwn everything right????!!! - Er no they don't, and rather than pay she called us f**** c** in local and popped immedietly afterwards...... the angels were pleased
Wylee Coyote	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:15:00 - [21] Originally by: murder one Every time a mission runner gets podded, an angel gets it's wings. Please, think of the angels... Aren't Angels supposed to get wings though?
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.03.31 11:54:00 - [22] Originally by: T'Renn Edited by: T''Renn on 31/03/2007 06:58:45 Originally by: murder one Too many players assume that just because I killed their ship that I "have no honor" and that I'll kill them after I take their ransom. This is because, quite frankly, people are inherently stupid and though they are supposed to act like reasonable, self-interested maximizers they in fact act like children who don't know how to weigh cost vs. benefit. I can do the math. I have no implants. I have a cheap ship. I have a clone. I am making about 80 million isk an hour making trading runs - I don't care if my ship gets blown up, even with the cargo. For me to take the ransom offer seriously, it would have to be a lot lower than most ransomers have asked. So, I don't even answer them when they ask. It's not worth talking about.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness Originally by: murder one Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness see, what we're doing here is dressing up an insanely boring pastime; killing someone who poses no challenge, with big words and chest beating to get some ???? from it. It's the equivalent of an FPS-addict going into the newbie servers of your FPS game of choice. The experienced RTS player only facing someone who's only ever played against the PC, nobody respects them, and most wonder why they bother. The only good that can come from your bottom of the barrel gank-pvp is some of those people realising they can fit their ships for some pvp too, then go and splatter you and yer pod. They have plenty of sec status to spare, after all. Carebears are so cute when they spew their typical carebear rhetoric. I'm talking to all players who get their asses kicked, not just the noob non-pvp-fitted llamas that get caught by us evil pirates. I think warping in on three Ravens with my Ishtar solo is a pretty fair fight myself, even if the Ravens arn't specifically PVP fit. But regardless, carebears always start in right away that we're mean and evil and picking on 'poor defenseless noobs' and that we're less of a person and cowards for doing it. Get over it. 99% of the pirates I know kill everything. Big, small, noob, old. We don't ignore the old experienced players in favor of the noobs. Far from it. I specifically go after the oldest ones I can find, as they have waaay more ISK and better mods than the noobs do. I only kill noobs when there's nothing else to shoot. I only bothered with eve because of the PvP side, it's PvE is...complete **. y'know it's an mmo not a solo play game, I personally don't get why people don't actively embrace pvp, other games do PvE way better. Perhaps they should look at the EULA, they own nothing in this game except the fun they get out of it... anyhoo my character is training up for EW and stuff, only a few days off from trying to belt pirate in my griffin ah well, I got the (mistaken) impression you only go after newbs from the zeal of your post, please accept this datasheet of my apologies (0.1m3). I retract my calling you a carebear kind sir. Because I said so...**
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Wylee Coyote Originally by: murder one Every time a mission runner gets podded, an angel gets it's wings. Please, think of the angels... Aren't Angels supposed to get wings though? Yes, that's kind of the point. Because I said so...
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: T'Renn Edited by: T''Renn on 31/03/2007 06:58:45 Originally by: murder one Too many players assume that just because I killed their ship that I "have no honor" and that I'll kill them after I take their ransom. This is because, quite frankly, people are inherently stupid and though they are supposed to act like reasonable, self-interested maximizers they in fact act like children who don't know how to weigh cost vs. benefit. I can do the math. I have no implants. I have a cheap ship. I have a clone. I am making about 80 million isk an hour making trading runs - I don't care if my ship gets blown up, even with the cargo. For me to take the ransom offer seriously, it would have to be a lot lower than most ransomers have asked. So, I don't even answer them when they ask. It's not worth talking about. Obviously you're one of those players who I'd just pod and scoop whatever crappy loot you happen to drop. If the exact situation/post doesn't pertain to your exact existing condition, why are you bothering to explain how superior you are by not needing to submit to paying a ransom? Of course it would never make sense for you to pay a ransom. That being said, I'm not referring to people like yourself. I'm referring to all the other people who have expensive stuff and will lose it if they don't pay me. Comprende? Because I said so...
Wylee Coyote	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:07:00 - [26] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Wylee Coyote Originally by: murder one Every time a mission runner gets podded, an angel gets it's wings. Please, think of the angels... Aren't Angels supposed to get wings though? Yes, that's kind of the point. And yet you created a thread telling them to pay ransoms so they don't get podded?
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:36:00 - [27] Originally by: murder one Obviously you're one of those players who I'd just pod and scoop whatever crappy loot you happen to drop. If the exact situation/post doesn't pertain to your exact existing condition, why are you bothering to explain how superior you are by not needing to submit to paying a ransom? Of course it would never make sense for you to pay a ransom. That being said, I'm not referring to people like yourself. I'm referring to all the other people who have expensive stuff and will lose it if they don't pay me. Comprende? Actually, I think there are quite a few like me out there. And I bet it ****es you off when we don't answer you, and you blow us up, and we don't have T2 loot on board.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: murder one Obviously you're one of those players who I'd just pod and scoop whatever crappy loot you happen to drop. If the exact situation/post doesn't pertain to your exact existing condition, why are you bothering to explain how superior you are by not needing to submit to paying a ransom? Of course it would never make sense for you to pay a ransom. That being said, I'm not referring to people like yourself. I'm referring to all the other people who have expensive stuff and will lose it if they don't pay me. Comprende? Actually, I think there are quite a few like me out there. And I bet it **es you off when we don't answer you, and you blow us up, and we don't have T2 loot on board. Nah, I just stack the corpses up like cordwood and keep on truckin. Because I said so...**
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.31 12:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Wylee Coyote Originally by: murder one Originally by: Wylee Coyote Originally by: murder one Every time a mission runner gets podded, an angel gets it's wings. Please, think of the angels... Aren't Angels supposed to get wings though? Yes, that's kind of the point. And yet you created a thread telling them to pay ransoms so they don't get podded? ya, if they PAY ME lol. Because I said so...
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.31 13:13:00 - [30] Motorcycle, if you can fly a Merlin, that might be a better choice than a Griffin for solo belt piracy. Though you get EW bonuses from the Griffin, it has less firepower potential, and if you're going to use EW you won't have much tanking ability. If, however, EW is your focus, then you should use the Griffin regardless. I'd like to hear how it goes. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Sorry mods, hijack removed - blame the sig length limit. I thought you just didnt love us anymore - Tim I got cookies! - Deckard

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