I'm honestly not trying to sound like an a**hole here, but a subscription is $15/month for something you get dozens of hours of entertainment out of.

If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job.

I like the idea that alphas are limited to only racial ships. But to get truly fresh blood into this old game, I would have suggested to simply limit them to frigs and dessies (no cruisers) T1 and T2, with every relevant skill and every module available (exception for cynos and cloaking devices, maybe even bomb launchers to prevent abuse). That way even a newbie could become competitive with older players in his own narrow niche, he will become more desirable for non-**** corps to recruit and will feel that he can really contribute to the game (especially if he flies dictors or inties for his corp).
If a newbie feels that he can achieve something and that he really matters, he is probably much more likely to stay and go for a full subscription.

I'm honestly not trying to sound like an a**hole here, but a subscription is $15/month for something you get dozens of hours of entertainment out of.

If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job.

If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job.

You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what?

You can't quit anymore.. Haha

in my mind, free to play isnt just a model, its more like the future of gaming, you would be shooting yourself in the leg if you didnt take the opportunity to make your game free to play nowadays

Thats not what I said smart guy. I said that I noticed some modules that are not locked for alpha clones. didn't say you could fit your entire ship with T2.

I believe I was able to fit T2 cap modules and a few other things.

Yep. In the grim darkness of the future there is only F2P. I really dislike F2P models, but as far as they go, CCP thought of a pretty decent one. Let's hope it works out and we don't get dragged into P2W-hell.

... it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. ...

GG

If you happen to live in the US of A, Canada, Australia, Japan or the better off parts of Europe, that might be true. But there are parts of the world where no amount of work would make it easy to pay 15$ a month for a game. It's not like that can be fixed easily, and CCP is not a social welfare organization, but you still sound like an A-hole. :D

I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure.

I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp.


I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turretswhen I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right.

The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players...

Scipio...u missed the point. I'm not trying to put hybrid turrets on an amarr ship.


I'm saying, because I am Amarr, I can only use Amarr ships with an Alpha account. I cannot use any other type of ship other than Amarr and thus I can only use energy weapons. I can't fly Caldari or Gallente ships even though my Gallente and Caldari skills are at lvl 5. I can only fly an Amarr ships and use Amarr weapons with Alpha account status.

I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure.

I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp.


I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turrets when I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right.


Also, about 84million sp I have spent years to train is useless and are disabled on an Alpha account.


Eve needs to do better to bring older players back because this just isn't enough. I assume many new players will gain interest in EvE which is good but not enough to bring back many older players.

Does that mean t2 miners are available?

One person did suggest that they let you use all current skills you have trained, and simply disable skilltraining while in Alpha state. Re-enable it for Omega. Simple, and effective. The innovative, non-grindy nature of the training queue calls for it. If they really are willing to make the game free, their entire approach to skill training has sort of always given a hint as to the best possible way of achieving a F2P model.

Skill training: Enabled. Skill training: Disabled. Nothing more, nothing less.

Alpha clone = Able to log in and view in-game assets and trade (even THAT, to an extent.) But to be able to do something actually productive? No. Not even in the slightest.

Its absolutely pay to win. Unlike most games it just isn't pay once to win forever.

I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure.

I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp.


I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turrets when I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right.


Also, about 84million sp I have spent years to train is useless and are disabled on an Alpha account.


Eve needs to do better to bring older players back because this just isn't enough. I assume many new players will gain interest in EvE which is good but not enough to bring back many older players.

One person did suggest that they let you use all current skills you have trained, and simply disable skilltraining while in Alpha state. Re-enable it for Omega. Simple, and effective. The innovative, non-grindy nature of the training queue calls for it. If they really are willing to make the game free, their entire approach to skill training has sort of always given a hint as to the best possible way of achieving a F2P model.

You can do that today. Just sell your SP you gain as an active Omega, use that ISK to buy PLEX (and the necessary SP extractors), and use the PLEX to stay Omega. You basically gain zero SP, but you can play perpetually as an Omega. And it benefits CCP because somebody, at some time, purchased the PLEX and extractors from them with real-world money. (This method is, of course, subject to the costs the market places on the related items - currently you actually make a small profit of ISK doing this but it could become an ISK sink too.)