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Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 14:42:57 - [1] - Quote The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG
Herbert G Wells Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 15:08:30 - [2] - Quote I have to disagree with some of your points. I'm an old time EVE player, first played way back in 2004, started properly in 2005 and carried on that way until 2013. I took a break from then until now, mostly due to the fact that I couldn't afford to play any more. Over the years I tried, and sometimes succeeded, to get other people into the game. That proved incredibly difficult given the fact that the 2 week trial period was never long enough to give people a decent sense of the game and its community. This new Alpha setup is, as far as I am concerned, a massive step in the right direction. I can now enjoy being part of the EVE universe again, though slightly limited, until such time as I can afford to sign up properly again, and it's given me a way to encourage those friends of mine who are careful with their money to try EVE out. I firmly believe that Alpha will have a fairly high conversion rate, and that will eventually prove to be the breath of fresh air this game needs. Sure, things will be topsy turvy for a while, certain market segments will see price fluctuations, and there will be some natural die off from that, but overall I think it will still prove to be a net gain.
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 15:57:22 - [3] - Quote Herbert G Wells wrote: I have to disagree with some of your points. I'm an old time EVE player, first played way back in 2004, started properly in 2005 and carried on that way until 2013. I took a break from then until now, mostly due to the fact that I couldn't afford to play any more. Over the years I tried, and sometimes succeeded, to get other people into the game. That proved incredibly difficult given the fact that the 2 week trial period was never long enough to give people a decent sense of the game and its community. This new Alpha setup is, as far as I am concerned, a massive step in the right direction. I can now enjoy being part of the EVE universe again, though slightly limited, until such time as I can afford to sign up properly again, and it's given me a way to encourage those friends of mine who are careful with their money to try EVE out. I firmly believe that Alpha will have a fairly high conversion rate, and that will eventually prove to be the breath of fresh air this game needs. Sure, things will be topsy turvy for a while, certain market segments will see price fluctuations, and there will be some natural die off from that, but overall I think it will still prove to be a net gain. I doubt it but we shall see.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2610	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:09:23 - [4] - Quote If losing a ship to a gatecamp causes them to leave, Eve was never going to be a game for them, anyway. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance 367	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:09:41 - [5] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online. This doesnt change whether free to play or pay to play. People have bought subscriptions and threatened to cancel their accounts because of greifing.
Xavier Higdon Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance 375	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:16:27 - [6] - Quote Yea, I'm gonna agree with the others. Gate camps might suck for people thinking this is WoW in space, but those people were unlikely to stay anyway.
Siigari Kitawa Waking Dreams 416	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:24:32 - [7] - Quote When a blob of tech 1 fitted players blow up your souped up tech 2 boat you might change your mind. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1045	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:34:07 - [8] - Quote "Slightly limited" is a bit of an understatement, but I don't see much of a problem with the skillset Alphas get. T1 is fine, really. Back in the day we actually used T1 ships and modules, and they haven't really gotten any worse since. So even though they are severely limited, I would say, Alphas should be able to play the game and get involved, and still have the option to sub/PLEX on demand if they want to. Eve has always been harsh, and 2-3 weeks have never been enough to get into the game and see behind all the scamming, stealing and ganking going on. Of course, if those things deter players from Eve, they will often do so within the first couple of weeks, but they are part of the game and anyone turned away by them wouldn't fit in anyway. So, I agree with Suroh Kurvora that the new Alpha clone system should be in a pretty good state compared to what we had.
Darius Falc Dark Harlequins 1	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:47:45 - [9] - Quote Limited? Wow...I sometimes wonder how much people making these criticisms play the game. T1 frigate, destroyer and cruiser gangs can be horrifically effective if the loadouts are right. It's entirely possible to get 700 dps out of a Thorax with a half way decent tank and destroyer gangs have long been a staple of null sec alliances. You're not going to be running Level 4 missions or C4s in these ships but for pretty much anything else you can put in a decent showing. I still occasionally take my Thorax out on roams despite being able to fly just about everything. Frankly I really hope I do see blobs of T1 cruisers with new players trying to get my T2 ship....if they manage to EvE will be a better place for it! More people playing, more people trying out low sec, more people building basic items, more people hauling stuff. I don't see how this is a bad thing? Sure droves of these newbies are going to get lo sec ganked....they'll either quit, become high sec care bears or think "Wow, combat...that was cool!" and I'll try and recruit them. It's high time that EvE got an influx of new blood and anything that helps that is great in my book!
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 365	Posted - 2016.11.16 16:48:07 - [10] - Quote Siigari Kitawa wrote: When a blob of tech 1 fitted players blow up your souped up tech 2 boat you might change your mind. this. people have lost ships to the lemming swarms of rookie ships doing ganks, you get those same types organized even its its limited, they can fly thrasher and catalyst is causes a lot more damage than a rookie ship and ive already seen a number of alphas advertising for exactly that. I hope all of the shipping lanes burn and all mining ceases. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1045	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:05:56 - [11] - Quote "Limited" doesn't necessarily mean useless. But limited they are. They cannot use T2 modules, T2 ships, a couple of core skills many consider essential, they cannot fly anything bigger than a cruiser (except for the gnosis), they have very little in terms of industry and trading skills, they cannot crosstrain - so yes, they are severely limited, and it would be ridiculous to say they aren't, regardless of what they will be able to do with their skillset.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1942	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:07:56 - [12] - Quote Well... Being alpha in Eve is similar to be zergling in Starcraft.... Flying cheap stuff in swarms, being disposable and killing bigger stuff by numbers.... If that's your cup of tea then Alpha is for you. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 772	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:29:36 - [13] - Quote Gate camps are't griefing. Griefing is defined in the TOS and is a bannable offense. If you see someone greifing as per the TOS, report them, don't start a thread.
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 75	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:42:11 - [14] - Quote That you used the word griefing to talk about game mechanics makes this thread silly. Come out to lowsec, it is what Alphas where built for, tons of Lowsec Corps will be able to pay for your losses and help you find wins. If you are an alpha and you are getting ganked in high sec you are probably not doing it right.
Voxinian 124	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:49:27 - [15] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: "Limited" doesn't necessarily mean useless. But limited they are. They cannot use T2 modules, T2 ships, a couple of core skills many consider essential, they cannot fly anything bigger than a cruiser (except for the gnosis), they have very little in terms of industry and trading skills, they cannot crosstrain - so yes, they are severely limited, and it would be ridiculous to say they aren't, regardless of what they will be able to do with their skillset. Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 773	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:52:12 - [16] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction. The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3121	Posted - 2016.11.16 17:53:51 - [17] - Quote You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what? You can't quit anymore.. Haha the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1045	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:02:06 - [18] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work.
Voxinian 125	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:08:11 - [19] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work. Thats not what I said smart guy. I said that I noticed some modules that are not locked for alpha clones. didn't say you could fit your entire ship with T2. I believe I was able to fit T2 cap modules and a few other things.
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 182	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:12:06 - [20] - Quote Agondray wrote: ... I hope all of the shipping lanes burn and all mining ceases. I'll drink to that!
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 549	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:14:09 - [21] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG You forgot to account for codes event going on right now, I agree it's all stupidity but eventually it will settle down, I got my Alpha clone going last night this morning I tried to log it in, CCP has taken it away it seems, meh, it was nothing to important if that's what CCP was worried about, I can take it or leave it.
Voxinian 125	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:15:10 - [22] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction. The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change. It's not smart if thats the reason. If the new player pick a faction (like I did 7 years ago) then they usually have no idea if that faction is what they really want to be in EvE. In my first days of EVE I started as Amarr and like a week later I came to the conclusion that I wanted to fly missle boats instead. With alpha clones the players are locked out of experimenting with other T1 ships of other factions, thus limiting their starting experience more than the original trail setup.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6253	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:20:11 - [23] - Quote There's no lock on modules for Alpha players. only locks on skills. So no, they can't use T2 guns or drones, as those require skills they can't get. They can, however, use a bunch of T2 modules which have skill requirements that they can train. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 467	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:20:59 - [24] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction. The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change. It's not smart if thats the reason. If the new player pick a faction (like I did 7 years ago) then they usually have no idea if that faction is what they really want to be in EvE. In my first days of EVE I started as Amarr and like a week later I came to the conclusion that I wanted to fly missle boats instead. With alpha clones the players are locked out of experimenting with other T1 ships of other factions, thus limiting their starting experience more than the original trail setup. Then they can just create a new char or account. It's free after all. People can just create 4 accounts for each race, if you really don't know which to pick. But honestly, the race doesn't matter too much, aside from solo/small gank PvP. All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence. Allowing all racial ships to be trained, would mean you would have to increased the SP limit, which in turn decrease the incentive to sub. The system is fine as it is.
Keno Skir 937	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:30:03 - [25] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG Gatecamps and griefing are what makes EvE gritty and engaging, you're just being a Wendy Gùï> 30 Day Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 30 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/
Zimmy Zeta Perkone Caldari State 59602	Posted - 2016.11.16 18:34:11 - [26] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: "Limited" doesn't necessarily mean useless. But limited they are. They cannot use T2 modules, T2 ships, a couple of core skills many consider essential, they cannot fly anything bigger than a cruiser (except for the gnosis), they have very little in terms of industry and trading skills, they cannot crosstrain - so yes, they are severely limited, and it would be ridiculous to say they aren't, regardless of what they will be able to do with their skillset. Wise words right here. I think that Alpha thing is very good to bring older players back, I'm just not convinced it will work with true newbies as well. Eve has the reputation of being a pretty brutal and merciless game, where older players have such a massive advantage, that newbies will never catch up (I know it's mostly untrue, but that's what people who have never played it say). T2 is pretty much standard for PVP- having newbies fly anything less puts them at a massive disadvantage right from the start (especially if they cannot use t2 ammo) and may reinforce the idea that it's impossible to catch up. And please don't give me that "A good and experienced pilot can win with a worse ship"-crap: true newbies by definition are NOT experienced, which puts them even more at a disadvantage. I like the idea that alphas are limited to only racial ships. But to get truly fresh blood into this old game, I would have suggested to simply limit them to frigs and dessies (no cruisers) T1 and T2, with every relevant skill and every module available (exception for cynos and cloaking devices, maybe even bomb launchers to prevent abuse). That way even a newbie could become competitive with older players in his own narrow niche, he will become more desirable for non-**** corps to recruit and will feel that he can really contribute to the game (especially if he flies dictors or inties for his corp). If a newbie feels that he can achieve something and that he really matters, he is probably much more likely to stay and go for a full subscription. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
blackiice Forging Industries Silent Infinity 7	Posted - 2016.11.16 19:20:26 - [27] - Quote Also if you have tried it or not you are limited to only running one Alpha account at a time so you cannot say run 5 clients at once on the same PC and roam around ganking miners in HS. Or on the flip side train 10 Alphas in to ventures for a mining fleet, I know I tried! Might be ways around this but not worth the effort to even try, and I imagine you would get banned as well from your Omega toons which would SUCK. They are limited for good reason and I would even add that they cannot remove the safety from their guns to make sure an alliance like Marmite doesn't have 20 people create Alphas for more ganking fun. They can attack back if they are attacked any ways even if the safety is set to green but do not allow them to make the first hit. my 2 cents.
Josef Djugashvilis 3479	Posted - 2016.11.16 19:21:12 - [28] - Quote Herbert G Wells wrote: I have to disagree with some of your points. I'm an old time EVE player, first played way back in 2004, started properly in 2005 and carried on that way until 2013. I took a break from then until now, mostly due to the fact that I couldn't afford to play any more. Over the years I tried, and sometimes succeeded, to get other people into the game. That proved incredibly difficult given the fact that the 2 week trial period was never long enough to give people a decent sense of the game and its community. This new Alpha setup is, as far as I am concerned, a massive step in the right direction. I can now enjoy being part of the EVE universe again, though slightly limited, until such time as I can afford to sign up properly again, and it's given me a way to encourage those friends of mine who are careful with their money to try EVE out. I firmly believe that Alpha will have a fairly high conversion rate, and that will eventually prove to be the breath of fresh air this game needs. Sure, things will be topsy turvy for a while, certain market segments will see price fluctuations, and there will be some natural die off from that, but overall I think it will still prove to be a net gain. I feel for you. I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town. I wish that every one who wishes to plat Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works. This is not a signature.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1162	Posted - 2016.11.16 19:29:35 - [29] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Well... Being alpha in Eve is similar to be zergling in Starcraft.... Flying cheap stuff in swarms, being disposable and killing bigger stuff by numbers.... If that's your cup of tea then Alpha is for you. You don't need a swarm. Technically, you don't even need a frigate, the free corvette is good enough to take out a BC if you know what you are doing Eve is a game of player knowledge. If you know how to use your ship properly, then you will be able to create situations where that ship can win. You will know what fights you should attack, and what fights you should avoid. There is no iwinpwnmobile in eve. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 774	Posted - 2016.11.16 19:33:07 - [30] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town. I wish that every one who wishes to plat Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works. I'm honestly not trying to sound like an a**hole here, but a subscription is $15/month for something you get dozens of hours of entertainment out of. If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job.
Josef Djugashvilis 3479	Posted - 2016.11.16 19:35:57 - [31] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town. I wish that every one who wishes to plat Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works. I'm honestly not trying to sound like an a**hole here, but a subscription is $15/month for something you get dozens of hours of entertainment out of. If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job. I pay by annual sub and have done so for the past ten years :) This is not a signature.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 93	Posted - 2016.11.16 19:53:13 - [32] - Quote Alpha is fine, if ur just starting out. But for 'returning' players, it's just pointless, your char is so gimped, u can't really do anything usefull impo. (if u have any suggestions i'm all ears though!!! ) esp, cus u can't even activate one next to a paid account. (yes, yes, i know, nobody wants to see fleets of F2P suicide alts, but ... not even 1???) Then again... i tought of starting all over... see how far i can get with just an Alpha
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1047	Posted - 2016.11.16 20:03:54 - [33] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: I like the idea that alphas are limited to only racial ships. But to get truly fresh blood into this old game, I would have suggested to simply limit them to frigs and dessies (no cruisers) T1 and T2, with every relevant skill and every module available (exception for cynos and cloaking devices, maybe even bomb launchers to prevent abuse). That way even a newbie could become competitive with older players in his own narrow niche, he will become more desirable for non-**** corps to recruit and will feel that he can really contribute to the game (especially if he flies dictors or inties for his corp). If a newbie feels that he can achieve something and that he really matters, he is probably much more likely to stay and go for a full subscription. Frigates and Destroyers, even fully T2 fit would be too harsh in my book. In PvP, especially with the Svipul-Garmur-Cancer Meta we have at the moment they will always just get eaten alive, they would not be able to participate in Incursions, would only ever fly the Newbietackle in a fleet, would not be able to even try L3 Missions and overall will hardly be able to properly participate in anything but ganking. And that's the thing - we want them to participate, and the best thing in order for them to be able to do that is the ability to fly cruisers, since cruisers can do about anything in Eve. On the other hand If CCP just gave away the ability to fly fully T2 fit Frigates and Cruisers for free, there would be little to no incentive to ever pay anything for this game for many players. And then they'd have to put in more varied pay2win options to be able to pay their bills. With what we have, you can either pay your sub and fly whatever or not and fly low-SP fit cruisers. And while this could be considered pay2win, at least everyone is paying the same for the same "level of winning". Giving them T1 fit cruisers strikes a fairly good balance, I think. If anything, I would have given them the Racial Battlecruiser skill on III or IV as well.
Nina Hayes Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2016.11.16 20:07:50 - [34] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town. I wish that every one who wishes to plat Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works. I'm honestly not trying to sound like an a**hole here, but a subscription is $15/month for something you get dozens of hours of entertainment out of. If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job. The best part is you sounded like an A hole without trying and you were honest to boot. Win win.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1048	Posted - 2016.11.16 20:35:32 - [35] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job. If you happen to live in the US of A, Canada, Australia, Japan or the better off parts of Europe, that might be true. But there are parts of the world where no amount of work would make it easy to pay 15$ a month for a game. It's not like that can be fixed easily, and CCP is not a social welfare organization, but you still sound like an A-hole. :D
Echo Falls Adherents of the Repeated Meme 8	Posted - 2016.11.16 20:43:20 - [36] - Quote Ooooh, I can post again, this is odd ........ I'd been in this game since 2004 and the good old days of splash damage but quit in 2013 mainly because I'd done pretty much everything, sold my character and bought 5 years worth of game time and all I used it for was logged in from time to time to fly around a few trapped capitals in high sec. shakes fist at that change I really hope I do get ganked at a gate, might bring back the feeling I had that kept me in the game for 9 years of excitement.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18197	Posted - 2016.11.16 20:49:50 - [37] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what? You can't quit anymore.. Haha I had to laugh "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
sisterofeve6 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2016.11.16 20:53:57 - [38] - Quote in my mind, free to play isnt just a model, its more like the future of gaming, you would be shooting yourself in the leg if you didnt take the opportunity to make your game free to play nowadays
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1048	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:03:44 - [39] - Quote sisterofeve6 wrote: in my mind, free to play isnt just a model, its more like the future of gaming, you would be shooting yourself in the leg if you didnt take the opportunity to make your game free to play nowadays Yep. In the grim darkness of the future there is only F2P. I really dislike F2P models, but as far as they go, CCP thought of a pretty decent one. Let's hope it works out and we don't get dragged into P2W-hell.
Radical Posture Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:50:09 - [40] - Quote I agree that two weeks is no way near the time it takes to try out EvE. I have been playing nearly 10 years and I am still learning new tricks. You can't wrap your head around EvE in two weeks! Unless you enlisted in EvE Uni or miraculously got taken in by a super D duper group of nice guys ..you aren't learning EvE in two weeks. I hope this gives more people a chance to get into EvE.
Matthias Ancaladron Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:37:21 - [41] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Neuntausend wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work. Thats not what I said smart guy. I said that I noticed some modules that are not locked for alpha clones. didn't say you could fit your entire ship with T2. I believe I was able to fit T2 cap modules and a few other things. Does that mean t2 miners are available?
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 217	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:57:30 - [42] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: sisterofeve6 wrote: in my mind, free to play isnt just a model, its more like the future of gaming, you would be shooting yourself in the leg if you didnt take the opportunity to make your game free to play nowadays Yep. In the grim darkness of the future there is only F2P. I really dislike F2P models, but as far as they go, CCP thought of a pretty decent one. Let's hope it works out and we don't get dragged into P2W-hell. Are you implying eve wasn't already P2W hell? That's, like, its defining characteristic and why most of us play it in the first place. Its absolutely pay to win. Unlike most games it just isn't pay once to win forever.
Wu-Tian Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:08:52 - [43] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: ... it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. ... GG I agree I guess. I play star wars: the old republic and they basically have the same model. I didn't see a increase in player activity there. Maybe this time it's different. We'll see.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 779	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:55:33 - [44] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: If you can't afford $15/mo for entertainment you need to spend less time on video games and more time either finding a new job or working a second job. If you happen to live in the US of A, Canada, Australia, Japan or the better off parts of Europe, that might be true. But there are parts of the world where no amount of work would make it easy to pay 15$ a month for a game. It's not like that can be fixed easily, and CCP is not a social welfare organization, but you still sound like an A-hole. :D I definitely know how saying what I said sounds, and it's hard to explain online without tone of voice, etc. I worked 90 hour weeks for years with zero free time to prove I deserve the salary I have today, so I sometimes have a hard time understanding why others wouldn't do the same. That being said, this is probably a conversation for private messages, not an EVE forum...
Xlyclonus The Wormm Store 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 00:00:09 - [45] - Quote I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure. I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp. I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turretswhen I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right. Also, about 84million sp I have spent years to train is useless and are disabled on an Alpha account. Eve needs to do better to bring older players back because this just isn't enough. I assume many new players will gain interest in EvE which is good but not enough to bring back many older players.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45707	Posted - 2016.11.17 00:10:04 - [46] - Quote Xlyclonus wrote: I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure. I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp. I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turretswhen I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right. I think primarily because CCP have tried to tailor the available skills to best match the racial ships, so putting hybrid turrets on an energy weapon bonused ship isn't all that efficient. True new players then don't end up training skills that have limited benefit compared to others, given that CCP racially restricted the ship choice. Edit: because my phone's autocorrect sux. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Sagara Mithril Back To High-sec Inc. 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 00:37:50 - [47] - Quote I don't see the Eve universe getting changed in a bad way by the influx of F2P players. The market has been on a big inflation since long ago and the prices always going up since the last years, i think more players will reduce the inflation of the market and bring it back to prices of few years ago. PVP, yes, it will change for a time till the players can get used to the new chaos. More players online i think is a good thing for Eve in many aspects. Regarding the limitations of an Omega Clone, i think they are a bit too much in some regards, like not being able to fly other races ships, or limiting the quality of basic skills, like gunnery, targeting,etc. I would like a method like for example, pay 5 dollars and you can unlock 5 skills of your choosing to be able to train on an Omega Clone. I think CCP would get more money this way, there are tons of players that don't want a subscription, that don't want to feel pressured to use the time efficently when time is running on an alpha clone. Some people might be willing to spend less than $15 or $15 every 6 months, just to unlock more skills of their choosing.
Atomic Virulent Dark Matter Industrial 167	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:25:48 - [48] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players... Been active for 7 years. Since when has griefing and gate-camping not been 99% of 'pvp'? But you are correct. They have spent untold amounts of $$$ trying to figure out how to keep new players from leaving.. and they can't get it through their thick Icelandic skulls that being used and abused as nothing more than feed for 'elite' lions is why they cannot keep a solid foundation of new players sticking around. Unlimited wardecs, without purpose, give groups like Marmite free and endless noob targets. Noobs and their corps get wardec'd for no reason other than griefing and they quit logging in and invest their time and $$$ in other games. MANY new players are attracted to the industry and resource gathering aspect that CCP so prominently likes to promote... Only to be ganked out of existence by CODE. et al, losing everything they have worked for and earned... Rage quit, never login again... move on and invest in other games. All for a few lulz at very little cost with OP AF T1 ships (seriously catalyst needs to lose 3 gun slots, at least) and very little penalty. Until wardecs are limited to 5 per corp/alliance (CEO skill based) and indy ganks are properly penalized nothing will EVER change.
Xlyclonus The Wormm Store 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:28:43 - [49] - Quote Scipio...u missed the point. I'm not trying to put hybrid turrets on an amarr ship. I'm saying, because I am Amarr, I can only use Amarr ships with an Alpha account. I cannot use any other type of ship other than Amarr and thus I can only use energy weapons. I can't fly Caldari or Gallente ships even though my Gallente and Caldari skills are at lvl 5. I can only fly an Amarr ships and use Amarr weapons with Alpha account status.
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:33:34 - [50] - Quote Xlyclonus wrote: Scipio...u missed the point. I'm not trying to put hybrid turrets on an amarr ship. I'm saying, because I am Amarr, I can only use Amarr ships with an Alpha account. I cannot use any other type of ship other than Amarr and thus I can only use energy weapons. I can't fly Caldari or Gallente ships even though my Gallente and Caldari skills are at lvl 5. I can only fly an Amarr ships and use Amarr weapons with Alpha account status. Will no one think of the poor Amarr ship builders?
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 779	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:40:08 - [51] - Quote Xlyclonus wrote: I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure. I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp. I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turrets when I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right. Also, about 84million sp I have spent years to train is useless and are disabled on an Alpha account. Eve needs to do better to bring older players back because this just isn't enough. I assume many new players will gain interest in EvE which is good but not enough to bring back many older players. It's $15/mo. Pay the money if you want your 90 mil SPs back. That's the cost of one dinner out with friends, and you get to play for as long as you want for a month.
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 315	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:58:29 - [52] - Quote Matthias Ancaladron wrote: Does that mean t2 miners are available? You can fit T2 Miners. They only have a requi of level 2 mining I think. Finding a CPU suitable fit might be a challenge. I haven't actually tried.
Jotunspor Aion 514 14	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:00:11 - [53] - Quote To even say the game is now very limiting would be an understatement. I honestly knew ahead of time I was going to be disappointed. Flying ships up to cruisers? It exceeded my expectations for disappointment, and then some. Bleeding into Joseph Stalin communist Russia levels of restriction. The levels of hilarity in this "Free" to play update are priceless. I find out Cross training is restricted... so, none of my Sansha ships are available. Ok. Then I get into a regular T1 Frigate... I can't use T2 GUNS!? A T2 Small Shield Booster? BAHAHAHAA! WHAT? What can I even DO at this point? L-O-L! Even PI is locked away, which is one of the cheesiest, non-stimulating forms of gameplay ever conceived. But most importantly, it's purely secondary income. Extremely SLOW secondary income. I really, really had a feeling this "Free" to play model would be an absolute joke. But I wasn't expecting CCP's greatest troll right next to the Shadow of the Serpent "event". Which consisted of grinding your testicles across miles upon miles of broken glass repeatedly, shooting endless waves of Serpentis ships. That's deep, immersive gameplay if I've ever seen any. One person did suggest that they let you use all current skills you have trained, and simply disable skilltraining while in Alpha state. Re-enable it for Omega. Simple, and effective. The innovative, non-grindy nature of the training queue calls for it. If they really are willing to make the game free, their entire approach to skill training has sort of always given a hint as to the best possible way of achieving a F2P model. Skill training: Enabled. Skill training: Disabled. Nothing more, nothing less. Because right now? The best way to summarize this approach to "Free to play" would be: Alpha clone = Able to log in and view in-game assets and trade (even THAT, to an extent.) But to be able to do something actually productive? No. Not even in the slightest. Omega Clone: You can continue to actually play the game. Thank you for your purchase. Have joy-joy filled day. Be well!
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2005	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:10:49 - [54] - Quote Jotunspor wrote: One person did suggest that they let you use all current skills you have trained, and simply disable skilltraining while in Alpha state. Re-enable it for Omega. Simple, and effective. The innovative, non-grindy nature of the training queue calls for it. If they really are willing to make the game free, their entire approach to skill training has sort of always given a hint as to the best possible way of achieving a F2P model. Skill training: Enabled. Skill training: Disabled. Nothing more, nothing less. Doing this would be like throwing away their entire income. I'd never have to pay again unless I wanted to raise another alt, which I really don't need. And there are I'm sure a multitude of others in the same boat, and more that could do on a few injectors occasionally.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 779	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:21:32 - [55] - Quote Jotunspor wrote: Alpha clone = Able to log in and view in-game assets and trade (even THAT, to an extent.) But to be able to do something actually productive? No. Not even in the slightest. Define productive. I was productive a month into the game in nullsec tackling in fleets and scanning/scouting out trade routes.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1056	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:31:54 - [56] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Its absolutely pay to win. Unlike most games it just isn't pay once to win forever. More often than not it's pay to get ridiculed and laughed at.
Voxinian 125	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:34:22 - [57] - Quote Xlyclonus wrote: I see a few players saying the Alpha accounts are limited. That is quite the understatement for sure. I logged in today for the first time sine the f2p model came out to see what I was limited to. I have almost 90 mill sp. I could fly a t1 frigate and cruiser, including corvettes and the mining frigate but when I went to look at t1 turrets, because I am Amarr, all I can use is energy turrets? I hardly ever used Amarr ships or turrets when I was active last time. Why such a restriction on using other t1 turrets or ships other than your race. I don't think that is quite right. Also, about 84million sp I have spent years to train is useless and are disabled on an Alpha account. Eve needs to do better to bring older players back because this just isn't enough. I assume many new players will gain interest in EvE which is good but not enough to bring back many older players. They at least should have given the choice for returning old players to choose the faction ships they want to fly with. I am now stuck with flying Amarr ships while I want to fly missle boats... as I've alway have done so in EvE.
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 646	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:46:49 - [58] - Quote Jotunspor wrote: One person did suggest that they let you use all current skills you have trained, and simply disable skilltraining while in Alpha state. Re-enable it for Omega. Simple, and effective. The innovative, non-grindy nature of the training queue calls for it. If they really are willing to make the game free, their entire approach to skill training has sort of always given a hint as to the best possible way of achieving a F2P model. You can do that today. Just sell your SP you gain as an active Omega, use that ISK to buy PLEX (and the necessary SP extractors), and use the PLEX to stay Omega. You basically gain zero SP, but you can play perpetually as an Omega. And it benefits CCP because somebody, at some time, purchased the PLEX and extractors from them with real-world money. (This method is, of course, subject to the costs the market places on the related items - currently you actually make a small profit of ISK doing this but it could become an ISK sink too.)
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2016.11.17 04:08:16 - [59] - Quote Just wait until you're doing a combat site just for someone to pop in with a gang to ruin your 50 or so minutes worth of effort. That is worse than a little gate camp=ƒÖä
Jotunspor Aion 514 14	Posted - 2016.11.17 04:24:34 - [60] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Jotunspor wrote: One person did suggest that they let you use all current skills you have trained, and simply disable skilltraining while in Alpha state. Re-enable it for Omega. Simple, and effective. The innovative, non-grindy nature of the training queue calls for it. If they really are willing to make the game free, their entire approach to skill training has sort of always given a hint as to the best possible way of achieving a F2P model. You can do that today. Just sell your SP you gain as an active Omega, use that ISK to buy PLEX (and the necessary SP extractors), and use the PLEX to stay Omega. You basically gain zero SP, but you can play perpetually as an Omega. And it benefits CCP because somebody, at some time, purchased the PLEX and extractors from them with real-world money. (This method is, of course, subject to the costs the market places on the related items - currently you actually make a small profit of ISK doing this but it could become an ISK sink too.) Sell SP? You mean train up and skill extract?
Alexis Red Red Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 05:01:52 - [61] - Quote For me, a part time PVE player... I can't see any reason at this point to ever pay for this game again, unless they seriously change the game and actually make a PVE server.. Otherwise, I really think it's the first of many final nails until it's the fat lady singing good night.
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 124	Posted - 2016.11.17 05:52:39 - [62] - Quote Alexis Red wrote: For me, a part time PVE player... I can't see any reason at this point to ever pay for this game again, unless they seriously change the game and actually make a PVE server.. Otherwise, I really think it's the first of many final nails until it's the fat lady singing good night. Next ones will be explorers...unless CCP revamp site spawn time I think in about two months all paying players doing exploration as their main isk/fun source will quit because they will find no sites anymore. I personally imagined it and turned my isk source on PI but from the moment players were doing trials that would be converted into alphas the numbers of relic/data sites aroud was drastically reduced... ...maybe it was only me unlucky but I have doubts...
Herbert G Wells Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2016.11.17 06:41:21 - [63] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I feel for you. I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town. I wish that every one who wishes to play Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works. I see reading comprehension is still not a requirement to post on here, so not everything has changed. I'm not entirely sure how you equate a $35,000 luxury car with a computer game, but I guess when you talk of your ass there probably isn't much room for original thought. My point was that for those people who are a little more careful with their money, getting them to invest long term in a game can be problematic. Having the Alpha system in place allows them to try before they buy, just like in the good old days of demo's. As for my lack of funds, I moved to a different country, bought a house, got married, and started a new business, so money is still a little tight at the moment. I mean, you could have asked, but I guess making an effort is painful for you.
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3694	Posted - 2016.11.17 08:06:01 - [64] - Quote gatecamping is protecting our space, why would we let our enemies get vital warchest stock into our systems where we have our expensive toys? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Vigirr 42	Posted - 2016.11.17 08:39:24 - [65] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what? You can't quit anymore.. Haha But... you mean I can't do my annual rage quit? I hadn't thought of it like that.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1254	Posted - 2016.11.17 08:53:20 - [66] - Quote Herbert G Wells wrote: ...but I guess when you talk of your ass there probably isn't much room for original thought. You seem to be an expert, so I'll take this as a credible claim. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Caiyley Shadow Tek Industries 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:13:24 - [67] - Quote This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3695	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:18:46 - [68] - Quote Caiyley wrote: This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Caiyley Shadow Tek Industries 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:21:36 - [69] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Caiyley wrote: This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it? I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19097	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:26:55 - [70] - Quote Caiyley wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Caiyley wrote: This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it? I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs. all of the derpy ass new pilots would seem to disagree with that statement We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3697	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:26:56 - [71] - Quote Caiyley wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Caiyley wrote: This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it. pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it? I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs. why not? because they cant fly things like vindicators and nyx's? or because you cant have a free cyno or cloaky alt?, ccp has to tread carefully with f2p as people are smart and will find ways to exploit it Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 5	Posted - 2016.11.17 12:12:04 - [72] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online. This doesnt change whether free to play or pay to play. People have bought subscriptions and threatened to cancel their accounts because of greifing. That's sort of my point and then when you realize rolling t1s just isn't enough they're going to say why even bother?
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 5	Posted - 2016.11.17 12:17:54 - [73] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: gatecamping is protecting our space, why would we let our enemies get vital warchest stock into our systems where we have our expensive toys? Don't think for a second that I disagree with you because I don't ;) I'm simply stating that there are a lot of draw backs to this free to play model I used the gate camping as an example because I knew it would spark a conversation, one of the things I was getting at was this. Do you really think these new people are going to roll up on a gate camp with a **** load of t1 cruisers to get payback? No, they aren't they're going to look at it as " Well I can't use any useful ships so why bother?" or at least I would think that at least half of them would feel that way because they're new and don't know any beter. I would also then agree with the people that would say " Well then they don't belong here anyway" but at the same time I see this as an opportunity to say to ccp, if you're going to do something at least do it right and perhaps give them a little more freedom in regards to ships they can train. I mean really... They can't even train cross faction lol..
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 5	Posted - 2016.11.17 12:25:18 - [74] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Voxinian wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction. The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change. It's not smart if thats the reason. If the new player pick a faction (like I did 7 years ago) then they usually have no idea if that faction is what they really want to be in EvE. In my first days of EVE I started as Amarr and like a week later I came to the conclusion that I wanted to fly missle boats instead. With alpha clones the players are locked out of experimenting with other T1 ships of other factions, thus limiting their starting experience more than the original trail setup. Then they can just create a new char or account. It's free after all. People can just create 4 accounts for each race, if you really don't know which to pick. But honestly, the race doesn't matter too much, aside from solo/small gank PvP. All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence. Allowing all racial ships to be trained, would mean you would have to increased the SP limit, which in turn decrease the incentive to sub. The system is fine as it is. You proved via your comment that it's not, and to clarify I'm speaking specifically about this Quote: All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence. That applies to solo PvP and Pve as well, how far can they possibly get ratting in a t1 cruiser? This won't be an incentive to sub it's going to be a deterrent, someone in game made a great point she said to me " This isn't a free to play model, it's a re-bandaged trial account with no expiration" and she was 100 % right!
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2559	Posted - 2016.11.17 13:17:27 - [75] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
mkint 1229	Posted - 2016.11.17 13:43:59 - [76] - Quote My counter response to this entire thread is that after this launched, I collected 100 mil isk of ore scattered around from an old buy order. Some of it was in a lowsec/nullsec choke point. There was a total of 1 other person in local in lowsec. So yeah, running from lowsec to a major trade hub in a cheap untanked hauler with 100 mil isk cargo, with absolutely nothing interesting happening. I was honestly a little disappointed. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 459	Posted - 2016.11.17 14:44:43 - [77] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online. Or rise up and debases themselves... That works too, right? --Gadget waves to CODE. with a grin Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Imperator Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse 132	Posted - 2016.11.17 15:12:50 - [78] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work. Your are goon muppet. I use to run Somali Boot Camp for new players which was a training corp for my Somali Coast Guard Authority wardec corp. And we had swarms of t1 guys led by an FC attack people in T3 and Battleships while they were in t1 fitted frigates and cruisers and coming out on top. Yes the guys lost and I replaced those losses but just because you suck does not mean by default an Alpha will suck as well. As for the OP... I am back... See you soon. Cannibal Kane was my Test Character.
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 459	Posted - 2016.11.17 15:29:28 - [79] - Quote "Quantity has a quality all its own." Attributed to nearly every world and military leader of the late 19th and early 20th centuries of semi-mythical Old Earth. --Historian Gadget Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Othran Route One 738	Posted - 2016.11.17 15:37:36 - [80] - Quote Its an unlimited trial account, simple as that. Marketing can't be having that however so its F2P. I think CCP will probably up their "trial conversion rate" by a couple of percent but its not going to set the world on fire.
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 5	Posted - 2016.11.17 16:44:01 - [81] - Quote Mortlake wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it. This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings)
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 5	Posted - 2016.11.17 16:45:32 - [82] - Quote Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: "Quantity has a quality all its own." Attributed to nearly every world and military leader of the late 19th and early 20th centuries of semi-mythical Old Earth. --Historian Gadget I agree but how many new people will understand that?
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2016.11.17 17:25:04 - [83] - Quote "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 459	Posted - 2016.11.17 17:32:24 - [84] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" www.monster.com/Jobs/Search --Helpful Gadget Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 188	Posted - 2016.11.17 17:36:14 - [85] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" You could always scam :D
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 188	Posted - 2016.11.17 17:38:50 - [86] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: Mortlake wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it. This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that? Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens? I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. They're a company, they need to make money. Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment... It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model. Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do. This whole post is incoherent. What's the point you're trying to get at? Please be specific.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2016.11.17 17:47:53 - [87] - Quote Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" www.monster.com/Jobs/Search --Helpful Gadget Is EvE Pay-to-Win then??? But Tippia said it wasn't :((( Galaxy Duck wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" You could always scam :D :DDD I love being antisocial in social games! especially when there are no consequences!
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 192	Posted - 2016.11.17 18:38:35 - [88] - Quote High five! o/\o
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 781	Posted - 2016.11.17 18:53:31 - [89] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts. Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1060	Posted - 2016.11.17 18:55:32 - [90] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. But it really isn't. It's only pointless for people who wouldn't like the game either way. Alpha clone, Omega clone, 1M SP or 100M SP - players of all skill and experience levels have been ganked before, or scammed or found themselves in a really unfair situation that they had no way of winning by no fault of their own. And if a player cannot handle that, no matter if Alpha or Omega, Veteran or Newbie, they have a fundamental problem with the game itself. And if they don't like the game as a whole, no way of accessing it, no payment model and no NPE will ever be able to fix that. Players need a certain level of patience and resistance to frustration to enjoy Eve. Some players only notice that very late in the game, which is unfortunate, but often entertaining. With the new Alpha clone state, at least they don't have to sink any money into the game to get to that point (although I am sure many will, because paying means winning, right?).
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1060	Posted - 2016.11.17 18:59:41 - [91] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts. Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours. Witcher 3 cost me about 18 cents/hr, KSP significantly less. That's not counting electricity, internet and depreciation cost for the PC. :v
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 19:05:04 - [92] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts. Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours. Making fun of griefer enablers on a online forum: completely free Output: absolute euphoria "There's nothing wrong with paying for multiple accounts and buying secondary displays just because gameplay has never evolved, and clunky mechanics never were changed because they could be cheesed/circumvented by playing more accounts simultaneously!"
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 781	Posted - 2016.11.17 19:10:10 - [93] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Making fun of griefer enablers on a online forum: completely free Output: absolute euphoria "There's nothing wrong with paying for multiple accounts and buying secondary displays just because gameplay has never evolved, and clunky mechanics never were changed because they could be cheesed/circumvented by playing more accounts simultaneously!" But it seems you silently agree that alts are somewhat mandatory... does that make EvE Play-to-Win? No. AN experienced vet with an alpha account will destroy the day old newbie with five purchased accounts blinged out any day of the week.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1061	Posted - 2016.11.17 19:11:43 - [94] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: does that make EvE Play-to-Win? Statistically, if there is a chance to win a game, in absolute numbers you will win more often the more you play. So I'd say every game you can technically win is Play-to-Win. The real question is - can Eve be won? For most games the chance of winning is 0 if you do not play. With Eve, this may be the other way around.
Lady Ayeipsia Perkone Caldari State 1234	Posted - 2016.11.17 19:20:39 - [95] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: Mortlake wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it. This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that? Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens? I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. They're a company, they need to make money. Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment... It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model. Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do. But is this the fault of the game or the community? Take a look at the gate camp scenario you put forth. An alpha jumps his hard earned cruiser into low sec either trying to head into PvP, faction warfare, or an exploration escalation. On the other side, a gate camp awaits. The alpha is most likely doomed. That is the nature of eve and changing that would change what eve is. However, what happens next is based on player actions. The alpha could get killed, podded, and left to his own devices and leave. On the other hand, as happens at times, the gate campers reach out to the alpha. They strike up a conversation, explaining what happened and why. They may even offer the Alpha a free frigate and a chance to join the camp. The alpha player makes new friends and finds a new way to play, encouraging him to subscribe and stay. In the end, the game is what it is and nothing more. It's the interaction of the players that make it great. So instead of complaining on the forums, why not get out there and help make connections that will keep people in game?
tiberiusric Comply Or Die 264	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:24:57 - [96] - Quote Ccp was warned about they chose to ignore it. All thr alphas are not new playera just vets creatings lots of free alts and use to bump numbers and camp.gates etc. Real bad move imo was alphas All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
DaReaper Net 7 Cannon.Fodder 2900	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:27:49 - [97] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG Actually, CCP's internal studies have shown that when a new bro loses a ship to a player they are something like 80% more likley to keep playing. Which makes sense. A lot of people, if you poke push them or **** them off, they want revenge, this will make them focus on killing you, and thus stay OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:28:00 - [98] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: The alpha could get killed, podded, and left to his own devices and leave. On the other hand, as happens at times, the gate campers reach out to the alpha. They strike up a conversation, explaining what happened and why. They may even offer the Alpha a free frigate and a chance to join the camp. The alpha player makes new friends and finds a new way to play, encouraging him to subscribe and stay. In the end, the game is what it is and nothing more. It's the interaction of the players that make it great. So instead of complaining on the forums, why not get out there and help make connections that will keep people in game? Hazing rituals for online tough guys: the game Sociopaths Anonymous: the community Come grief random gamers with us! break immersion by going out of your way to cheese, and harvesting tears XD! Sonya Corvinus wrote: No. An experienced vet with an alpha account will destroy the day old newbie with five purchased accounts blinged out any day of the week. A somewhat new player with 5 accounts and a couple hours research into game mechanics will utterly BTFO anything a lone pilot jumps in his gatecamp, assuming it's not cloaky >haha you see he destroyed him by not fighting omg you're so right I guess all the tens of thousands that quit this game never to return really showed those griefers who's boss Neuntausend wrote: For most games the chance of winning is 0 if you do not play. With Eve, this may be the other way around. Like pottery
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 782	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:35:43 - [99] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: A somewhat new player with 5 accounts and a couple hours research into game mechanics will utterly BTFO anything a lone pilot jumps in his gatecamp, assuming it's not cloaky >haha you see he destroyed him by not fighting omg you're so right I guess all the tens of thousands that quit this game never to return really showed those griefers who's boss You've been in zero fights in game. What experience are you drawing upon when it comes to PvP?
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:40:38 - [100] - Quote Why should I post with my main when people don't scam and gank with theirs?
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3699	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:47:54 - [101] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: Mortlake wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it. This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that? Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens? I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. They're a company, they need to make money. Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment... It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model. Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do. you take gatecamping away and you take away another form of income for pvp'ers/pirates, if you took that away then you will lose players who pay money directly to ccp (people who pay subs and buy plex with rl money), right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game. are you going to remove wardeccers, code and every form of pvp to keep f2p players happy? who may never sub or buy a plex, they are called "free to play" for a reason and have restrictions for a reason. you start favouring that gameplay then you start losing customers who fund this game monthly over longterm. also, ive killed a lot of new players on gatecamps and have sent them 10x the amount of isk they have lost along with advice on how to avoid in the future, only if they interact with me though. and i know a lot of others do the same, i think mining and missions are a killer of the game and the cancer tax haven/sh** ceos of highsec corps convincing new players that mining in highsec is the way forward and boring newbies to death till they quit. Dont crap on other peoples playstyles, there is a clear notification popup as soon as someone tries to jump into lowsec that they can be killed, you dont get that notification with highsec corps exploiting newplayers to fund there own wallets. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3699	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:50:52 - [102] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Why should I post with my main when people don't scam and gank with theirs? what? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3699	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:52:55 - [103] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" www.monster.com/Jobs/Search --Helpful Gadget Is EvE Pay-to-Win then??? But Tippia said it wasn't :((( Galaxy Duck wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: "Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?" You could always scam :D :DDD I love being antisocial in social games! especially when there are no consequences! did you read the description of this game when you installed it? as you seem completely ignorant, the ones you call antisocial are the most social people in this game, its the people who mine and mission run and expect to be left alone in an "MMO" that are the antisocial ones, the ones who try and play solo Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 783	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:54:29 - [104] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Why should I post with my main when people don't scam and gank with theirs? You're scamming people with what you're saying in this thread? And since when do people not gank with their mains? What does scamming or ganking have to do with an alpha PvPing?
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 20:59:02 - [105] - Quote Surely you understand why "posting with one's main" is seen as a sign of being an online tough guy: because then you know who is the poster who rustled your jimmies, and you can find him ingame. This is why people have been lured for time immemorial to "post with their main". Now, one would argue that it's really dumb to go after someone, in a play pretend universe, because he rustled your jimmies in meta talk on an internet forum. On the contrary, during ingame interactions, one would be really right in trying to seek retribution from the gankers, scammers and generally griefers who tricked him. Alas! one cannot, because alts and accounts are not related together, and you can't find out which character is the 5.0 mission running char or hauler char of the guy who ganked/scammed/gatecamped you. So, you can't really seek retribution (hitting their wallet), because chasing down a throwaway alt is utterly futile. So, again, why should I post with my main to escape meta consequences ingame, when griefers grief with disposable alt which are not part of their isk making business, therefore making immersion-respecting vengeance for ingame actions, completely impossible?
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3699	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:03:46 - [106] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Surely you understand why "posting with one's main" is seen as a sign of being an online tough guy: because then you know who is the poster who rustled your jimmies, and you can find him ingame. This is why people have been lured for time immemorial to "post with their main". Now, one would argue that it's really dumb to go after someone, in a play pretend universe, because he rustled your jimmies in meta talk on an internet forum. On the contrary, during ingame interactions, one would be really right in trying to seek retribution from the gankers, scammers and generally griefers who tricked him. Alas! one cannot, because alts and accounts are not related together, and you can't find out which character is the 5.0 mission running char of the guy who ganked/scammed/gatecamped you. So, you can't really seek retribution, because chasing down a throwaway alt is utterly futile. So, again, why should I post with my main to escape meta consequences ingame, when griefers grief with disposable alt which are not part of their isk making business, therefore making immersion-respecting vengeance for ingame actions, completely impossible? i post with my main because i want to be accountable for my trolling and god i hope people come and look for me, nobody cares but dont try and troll people and bad mouth people from behind an alt, if you shiptoast then you should do it from your main instead of being a coward and making a forum alt, otherwise the opinions of a forum alt are disregarded Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1063	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:06:12 - [107] - Quote Posting with an alt makes your point invalid by default, that's why. I have no idea what this has to do with the topic, though. Post with your main or gtfo!
Xodiac Primus New Eden's Best. 12	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:08:38 - [108] - Quote Darius Falc wrote: Limited? Wow...I sometimes wonder how much people making these criticisms play the game. T1 frigate, destroyer and cruiser gangs can be horrifically effective if the loadouts are right. It's entirely possible to get 700 dps out of a Thorax with a half way decent tank and destroyer gangs have long been a staple of null sec alliances. Don't want to blow your mind here or anything, but the people who are supposed to be pulled in by this un-timed DEMO (Call it what it is) are not going to play for a week or two then glob up by the 100s to gank people with tricked out T1 geared Destroyers. It's just not going to happen. Since mission running level 2 missions will bore them after a day or two like anybody else they will log off never having seen 90% of this game.... and never will.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:08:42 - [109] - Quote Ah Lone Wong, you're the usual dude with zero RL friends (wonder why?) who finds a community of souls within the griefer subcommunity of New Eden. I guess it's a real promised land to you, being able to speak with people on voice comms, open your heart and play cookie clickers, while waiting for the gate activation signal to alt-tab back into the gatecamp and engage in some hot 12 v 1 action! Lan Wang wrote: did you read the description of this game when you installed it? as you seem completely ignorant, the ones you call antisocial are the most social people in this game, its the people who mine and mission run and expect to be left alone in an "MMO" that are the antisocial ones, the ones who try and play solo right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game. Griefing random gamers for no reason other than getting cheap kicks out of making them lose hours of ingame grind, and revelling in their rage: being social "if I couldn't gatecamp I couldn't have fun" LOL Never change Griefbears
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 194	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:10:35 - [110] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Ccp was warned about they chose to ignore it. All thr alphas are not new playera just vets creatings lots of free alts and use to bump numbers and camp.gates etc. Real bad move imo was alphas This is nonsense. I've only casually been playing a few hours a day since the expansion and I've already run into tons of genuine clueless noobs, much more than I expected.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 783	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:25:53 - [111] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Surely you understand why "posting with one's main" is seen as a sign of being an online tough guy: because then you know who is the poster who rustled your jimmies, and you can find him ingame. This is why people have been lured for time immemorial to "post with their main". Now, one would argue that it's really dumb to go after someone, in a play pretend universe, because he rustled your jimmies in meta talk on an internet forum. On the contrary, during ingame interactions, one would be really right in trying to seek retribution from the gankers, scammers and generally griefers who tricked him. Alas! one cannot, because alts and accounts are not related together, and you can't find out which character is the 5.0 mission running char or hauler char of the guy who ganked/scammed/gatecamped you. So, you can't really seek retribution (hitting their wallet), because chasing down a throwaway alt is utterly futile. So, again, why should I post with my main to escape meta consequences ingame, when griefers grief with disposable alt which are not part of their isk making business, therefore making immersion-respecting vengeance for ingame actions, completely impossible? No, posting with your main isn't a sign of being an "online tough guy", it gives credibility to what you're saying. Why would we take someone seriously if they could be a one day old newbie giving opinions based on nothing? If I were going to a mechanic to fix my car IRL, I want proof that the mechanic is good at fixing cars first. Posting with your main gives that proof. Griefing isn't allowed as per the TOS, so if you see griefing in game, I suggest you report it. If you're polite, reasonable and respectful of people whose opinions you disagree with, no one is really going to hunt you for what you say on the forums. Instead of using forum alts, just understand everyone views a sandbox game differently, and respect different opinions. tl/dr, post with your main or no one will take you seriously
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3699	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:29:06 - [112] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Ah Lone Wong, you're the usual dude with zero RL friends (wonder why?) who finds a community of souls within the griefer subcommunity of New Eden. I guess it's a real promised land to you, being able to speak with people on voice comms, open your heart and play cookie clickers, while waiting for the gate activation signal to alt-tab back into the gatecamp and engage in some hot 12 v 1 action! Lan Wang wrote: did you read the description of this game when you installed it? as you seem completely ignorant, the ones you call antisocial are the most social people in this game, its the people who mine and mission run and expect to be left alone in an "MMO" that are the antisocial ones, the ones who try and play solo right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game. Griefing random gamers for no reason other than getting cheap kicks out of making them lose hours of ingame grind, and revelling in their rage: being social "if I couldn't gatecamp I couldn't have fun" LOL Never change Griefbears again, did you read the description of this game before you installed or do you just wanna moan at people for playing the game how they want? griefing is bannable, im not banned so im not griefing, yeah i wouldnt bother logging in if ccp stopped my gameplay, im sure you would be the same Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:38:12 - [113] - Quote You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you? I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example... Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies. "Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths. Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 783	Posted - 2016.11.17 22:02:38 - [114] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you? You've been playing since July of 2015, until you post with a character that proves otherwise. Given I've been playing for three years longer than you, you should defer to my judgement as the more experienced player. And don't use the word sociopath. This a video game, not real life.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1064	Posted - 2016.11.17 22:07:00 - [115] - Quote I've played the negative pre-pre-alpha, I just paused for 20 years and started playing again in 2008, my **** is the longest.
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3699	Posted - 2016.11.17 22:17:38 - [116] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you? I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example... Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies. "Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths. Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric. im a nice guy irl Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Jetpack Viking 371	Posted - 2016.11.17 22:33:31 - [117] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you? I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example... Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies. "Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths. Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric. It would seem from your posts that you are the one griefing and being opinionated as if people have any RL friends etc. It would also seem as if you are not happy with this game hence you not being subscribed for a very long time so it begs the question as to why you bothered comeing back if it is causing you so much anguish and annoyance? That in itself is not healthy and I would suggest you step back and calm down.
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 195	Posted - 2016.11.17 22:48:34 - [118] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you? I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example... Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies. "Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths. Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric. Lol your tears are rich and plentiful.
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2016.11.18 02:44:07 - [119] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: I've played the negative pre-pre-alpha, I just paused for 20 years and started playing again in 2008, my **** is the longest. Only the pre-pre alpha. You missed the pre-pre-pre alpha 5 years before that. Hell the pre-pre alpha was in colour. Luxury bloody luxury.
March rabbit Mosquito squadron The-Culture 1944	Posted - 2016.11.18 05:14:55 - [120] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Posting with an alt makes your point invalid by default, that's why. I have no idea what this has to do with the topic, though. Post with your main or gtfo! Mandatory: C&P that way =====> The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 460	Posted - 2016.11.18 14:39:41 - [121] - Quote How U win EvE? --Confused Gadget played EvE pong... Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Sul Glass Fat Dragon Mining Co. Darwinism. 61	Posted - 2016.11.18 16:40:59 - [122] - Quote Damn you CCP , this alpha clone thing is terrible. If I kill anyone who is less than a month old I send them a few miilion isk and message them to be more careful in low sec. Ascension is costing me a fortune. I would quit but as been pointed out I can't even do that anymore. Welcome to the Hotel California. Sul
Harry Forever Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 1320	Posted - 2016.11.18 16:45:53 - [123] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG you got not clue, everybody is loving this move, subscribers as well as people using alpha clones Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 78	Posted - 2016.11.18 19:31:27 - [124] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Neuntausend wrote: "Limited" doesn't necessarily mean useless. But limited they are. They cannot use T2 modules, T2 ships, a couple of core skills many consider essential, they cannot fly anything bigger than a cruiser (except for the gnosis), they have very little in terms of industry and trading skills, they cannot crosstrain - so yes, they are severely limited, and it would be ridiculous to say they aren't, regardless of what they will be able to do with their skillset. Wise words right here. I think that Alpha thing is very good to bring older players back, I'm just not convinced it will work with true newbies as well. Eve has the reputation of being a pretty brutal and merciless game, where older players have such a massive advantage, that newbies will never catch up (I know it's mostly untrue, but that's what people who have never played it say). T2 is pretty much standard for PVP- having newbies fly anything less puts them at a massive disadvantage right from the start (especially if they cannot use t2 ammo) and may reinforce the idea that it's impossible to catch up. And please don't give me that "A good and experienced pilot can win with a worse ship"-crap: true newbies by definition are NOT experienced, which puts them even more at a disadvantage. I like the idea that alphas are limited to only racial ships. But to get truly fresh blood into this old game, I would have suggested to simply limit them to frigs and dessies (no cruisers) T1 and T2, with every relevant skill and every module available (exception for cynos and cloaking devices, maybe even bomb launchers to prevent abuse). That way even a newbie could become competitive with older players in his own narrow niche, he will become more desirable for non-**** corps to recruit and will feel that he can really contribute to the game (especially if he flies dictors or inties for his corp). If a newbie feels that he can achieve something and that he really matters, he is probably much more likely to stay and go for a full subscription. Just going to quote all of this as I think there is a lot of good in it as well as a little that is not so good. T2 is really not needed in frigate combat or dessie combat. Yes there are some amazing T2 fits but they normally exponentially increase the cost of the ship, for alphas this should be a huge detractor from using T2 fit ships. T1 guns on a thrasher are an excellent way to reduce cost and lose very little in performance. this is pretty much the same across all Dessie hulls. (My experience with amarr hulls in PVP is extremely low so if this changes as I assume it might based on T2 Crystals please correct me.) Most of the time in PvP you actually want to be shooting Faction ammo not T2 ammo. Alphas can currently use faction ammo. The lack of cross training is huge it is an insane handicap. Eve really is not balanced so that each race has comparable ships in anything more then name and basic function. I have been wondering lately if CCP thinks it is balanced that way with this thinking on alphas.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1064	Posted - 2016.11.18 19:47:14 - [125] - Quote Well, T2 guns are quite important for some weapon systems, even for Frigates. How are you supposed to effectively scramkite a blaster boat without barrage? And kiting is the only thing most minmatar frigates can do well, as they would usually get ripped apart at point blank by about everything else. Same issue with scorch - I wouldn't want to fly a Slicer without Scorch. While you can substitute high-optimal T1 ammo, you will drop to laughable DPS. There are ways around this, though. Fly a breacher for example, instead of a Slasher or Rifter, but still - T2 guns are important for quite a few ships. That being said, though - I see why they didn't give Alphas T2 guns. If they did, a pilot specializing in FW Frigate PvP would have next to no incentive to ever subscribe.
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 7	Posted - 2016.11.18 19:47:42 - [126] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: Mortlake wrote: Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor. I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it. This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that? Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens? I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal. They're a company, they need to make money. Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment... It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model. Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do. you take gatecamping away and you take away another form of income for pvp'ers/pirates, if you took that away then you will lose players who pay money directly to ccp (people who pay subs and buy plex with rl money), right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game. are you going to remove wardeccers, code and every form of pvp to keep f2p players happy? who may never sub or buy a plex, they are called "free to play" for a reason and have restrictions for a reason. you start favouring that gameplay then you start losing customers who fund this game monthly over longterm. also, ive killed a lot of new players on gatecamps and have sent them 10x the amount of isk they have lost along with advice on how to avoid in the future, only if they interact with me though. and i know a lot of others do the same, i think mining and missions are a killer of the game and the cancer tax haven/sh** ceos of highsec corps convincing new players that mining in highsec is the way forward and boring newbies to death till they quit. Dont crap on other peoples playstyles, there is a clear notification popup as soon as someone tries to jump into lowsec that they can be killed, you dont get that notification with highsec corps exploiting newplayers to fund there own wallets. I'm sorry but I don't understand why you're focused on gate camping I never once said it should be "removed" I have hjow ever stated multiple times that I fully support gate campers and am one myself, please actually read comments before making useless posts like this.
Lord Lanzo Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.11.18 20:11:27 - [127] - Quote 10 year player just now restarting my alt account to get back to playing. I may or may not like Eve in its current state, but at least this is a nice way for me to try. I never left Eve because of Eve, I left because of the time commitment. This is a great way to get back. And if you think it's just easier for gate camping and grieving, then you obviously were never part of this game in it's prime.
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 461	Posted - 2016.11.18 20:44:09 - [128] - Quote Lord Lanzo wrote: 10 year player just now restarting my alt account to get back to playing. I may or may not like Eve in its current state, but at least this is a nice way for me to try. I never left Eve because of Eve, I left because of the time commitment. This is a great way to get back. And if you think it's just easier for gate camping and grieving, then you obviously were never part of this game in it's prime. --Gadget floats in Yulai, and pours one out for certain undead corporations. Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3703	Posted - 2016.11.18 23:16:38 - [129] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: I'm sorry but I don't understand why you're focused on gate camping I never once said it should be "removed" I have hjow ever stated multiple times that I fully support gate campers and am one myself, please actually read comments before making useless posts like this. Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players Suroh Kurvora wrote: This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings) looks to me like you dont support gatecamping at all...you seem to assume a ship above a cruiser stands more of a chance against a gatecamp than a frigate. frigates can get out of camps easier than a cruiser, cruisers and above simply eat s*t and die Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel*
7BitBrian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2016.11.18 23:20:38 - [130] - Quote As one of these new F2P players I want to know where all these gate camps are you're talking about like they're everywhere. I've seen one when I wandered into low security space curious, and from what I gather that is to be expected there. And it's definitely not turned me off to the game at all, I'm still having tons of fun and cant wait to get more involved.
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3703	Posted - 2016.11.18 23:33:14 - [131] - Quote 7BitBrian wrote: As one of these new F2P players I want to know where all these gate camps are you're talking about like they're everywhere. I've seen one when I wandered into low security space curious, and from what I gather that is to be expected there. And it's definitely not turned me off to the game at all, I'm still having tons of fun and cant wait to get more involved. camps are usually in the main pipelines on highsec gates, Rancer, Amamake, Tama and a few other places in lowsec, null have them too but its not like they are on every gate in the game, they are also easy enough to avoid with a bit of awareness. Alliance Logo Design Service -- Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Hilti Enaka State War Academy Caldari State 122	Posted - 2016.11.19 00:58:48 - [132] - Quote Herbert G Wells wrote: I have to disagree with some of your points. I'm an old time EVE player, first played way back in 2004, started properly in 2005 and carried on that way until 2013. I took a break from then until now, mostly due to the fact that I couldn't afford to play any more. Over the years I tried, and sometimes succeeded, to get other people into the game. That proved incredibly difficult given the fact that the 2 week trial period was never long enough to give people a decent sense of the game and its community. This new Alpha setup is, as far as I am concerned, a massive step in the right direction. I can now enjoy being part of the EVE universe again, though slightly limited, until such time as I can afford to sign up properly again, and it's given me a way to encourage those friends of mine who are careful with their money to try EVE out. I firmly believe that Alpha will have a fairly high conversion rate, and that will eventually prove to be the breath of fresh air this game needs. Sure, things will be topsy turvy for a while, certain market segments will see price fluctuations, and there will be some natural die off from that, but overall I think it will still prove to be a net gain. Dear Herbert, if the game needs a breath of fresh air, its not providing said game play for free that will provide value...
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7920	Posted - 2016.11.19 02:00:02 - [133] - Quote Hilti Enaka wrote: Dear Herbert, if the game needs a breath of fresh air, its not providing said game play for free that will provide value... The reason EVE had, for so long, such a strong community (and in some aspects still does) is because of player retention. The long people stick around, the better they get to know each other. So many games have terrible communities because of poor player retention. You get a bunch of new people coming into the game, a bunch of people leaving who were not long ago new themselves because the content has dried up, and as a result, no one gets to know each other. This is what I'm afraid of EVE becoming if this is CCP's only plan to grow the game, because if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though... I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions, friends who were my reason to continue playing this game. I don't even know what I'm doing back tbh, gonna give another month ago and see if I can get into it again, but CCP need to focus on player retention if they want to grow the strong community that really makes EVE great, and just making it free to play doesn't achieve that. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jotunspor Aion 514 14	Posted - 2016.11.19 02:35:01 - [134] - Quote Just found out, ISD told everyone in chat; customizing window appearance is also limited to Omegas. I think about half the channel died of laughter. Myself included.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.11.19 02:48:50 - [135] - Quote Buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets bring back Erotica1
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7923	Posted - 2016.11.19 03:46:12 - [136] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets bring back Erotica1 Did you hit up a random word generator for that incoherent gibberish or did the word salad you ate for breakfast disagree with you? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jotunspor Aion 514 14	Posted - 2016.11.19 04:45:34 - [137] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets bring back Erotica1 Did you hit up a random word generator for that incoherent gibberish or did the word salad you ate for breakfast disagree with you? My guess: Instant DMT trip.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4582	Posted - 2016.11.19 10:12:55 - [138] - Quote Well, ho-ho-ho. I'm back and can't wait to get back to ship toasting on the forums. Sugar Von MurdererTits-á: Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 59693	Posted - 2016.11.19 19:50:46 - [139] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: Well, ho-ho-ho. I'm back and can't wait to get back to ship toasting on the forums. About time.... I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.11.19 19:56:49 - [140] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though... I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions Buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets bring back Erotica1 -Sorry if it wasn't clear the first time!-
Steffles University of Caille Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2016.11.19 20:25:24 - [141] - Quote sisterofeve6 wrote: in my mind, free to play isnt just a model, its more like the future of gaming, you would be shooting yourself in the leg if you didnt take the opportunity to make your game free to play nowadays Not really. Saying free to play is the future of gaming is like saying free trade is the future of economics. There are both upsides and downsides to free to play. Free to play works best for games that are generic clones, like pretty much every game out there today. People are getting tired of this generic model and are looking for something that they can become a fan of rather than just a casual consumer. While its true games like league of legends etc make a lot of money they also have a high player attrition rate and are stable long term only with constant development expansions and new content which is expensive and leads quickly to convoluted and sometimes unpopular changes. Pay to play games are stable long term if the developers can create a hook and make people stay long term, EvE is one of those rare games that had the hook early on. In short if you can create a game that is unique, has elements that other games don't have and you can keep focus stick to your development goals then pay to play is better. 100,000 players who are loyal for 10 years and won't all go to the new flavour of the month game is better than 500,000 who are loyal for 6 months to a year and will leave when ever something shiny and new comes out. Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7937	Posted - 2016.11.20 02:21:50 - [142] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though... I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions Buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets bring back Erotica1 -Sorry if it wasn't clear the first time!- You weren't clear the second time. Make a point, if you have one to make, and speak plainly about it. Childish riddles are going to encourage me to take you about as seriously as a child. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4583	Posted - 2016.11.20 08:44:43 - [143] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Jake Warbird wrote: Well, ho-ho-ho. I'm back and can't wait to get back to ship toasting on the forums. About time.... Good to have you back, Mr. Warbird! Well, thank you! Considering they left a small door open, too good to pass up... How are you? How is Eve? Are Code still being 'pvpers' in hisec? Do Goons still own the game? Is the game still dying? Sugar Von MurdererTits-á: Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 59695	Posted - 2016.11.20 09:30:42 - [144] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: Jake Warbird wrote: Well, ho-ho-ho. I'm back and can't wait to get back to ship toasting on the forums. About time.... Good to have you back, Mr. Warbird! Well, thank you! Considering they left a small door open, too good to pass up... How are you? How is Eve? Are Code still being 'pvpers' in hisec? Do Goons still own the game? Is the game still dying? - How are you? Just came back to EVE a few days ago myself. To be honest, I am a little terrified. I always considered myself a well adapted, functioning member of society- and yet, since I returned to this game, I find myself constantly contemplating about how to screw other people over. Not sure if that's normal... -How is Eve/ Code My experiences so far are quite limited. As far as I can say, nothing much has changed in lowsec. Svipuls. Svipuls everywhere. Seriously, screw everything about that. But I am pleasantly surprised with highsec- apparently CODE has been busy the last year and changed highsec for the better. Wrecks and explosions on most gates. Carebears crying in local. It's a thing of beauty. Finally, highsec appears to be the dark, dystopian place it was always supposed to be. The whole thing reminds me of a poem by Byron i once read: "..and the widows of Assur are loud in their vail and the idols are broke in the temple of Bhael. For the might of the gentile, unsmote by the sword hath melted like snow by the glance of the Lord." At this point, I'm seriously considering staying in highsec for a while. -How about Goons No idea. I heard they lost a big sov war last year. But I find myself more and more on reddit and less and less on SA, so I am no reliable or knowledegeable source. But word on the street is that dreddit is recruiting. -Is the game still dying? I goddamn hope so, would be a shame if it wasn't. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated 8	Posted - 2016.11.20 10:58:10 - [145] - Quote Lord Lanzo wrote: 10 year player just now restarting my alt account to get back to playing. I may or may not like Eve in its current state, but at least this is a nice way for me to try. I never left Eve because of Eve, I left because of the time commitment. This is a great way to get back. And if you think it's just easier for gate camping and grieving, then you obviously were never part of this game in it's prime. Well friend like you I've got many accounts and I've been here since the start. The most pathetic thing I see in this thread are all the idiots focused on my gate camping comment that they misconstrued to mean something else. Read the actual comments before you make nonsensical ones such as this.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7946	Posted - 2016.11.20 11:05:49 - [146] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: Lord Lanzo wrote: 10 year player just now restarting my alt account to get back to playing. I may or may not like Eve in its current state, but at least this is a nice way for me to try. I never left Eve because of Eve, I left because of the time commitment. This is a great way to get back. And if you think it's just easier for gate camping and grieving, then you obviously were never part of this game in it's prime. Well friend like you I've got many accounts and I've been here since the start. The most pathetic thing I see in this thread are all the idiots focused on my gate camping comment that they misconstrued to mean something else. Read the actual comments before you make nonsensical ones such as this. I don't believe anyone that claims they've been here 'from the start' when they then proceed to use that as some kind of qualifier for their opinion. I don't know how your comments regarding gate-camping were meant to be taken, but on the surface, it seems you think that gatecamping and 'griefing' are driving players away. This isn't true now, and it never has been, and if you'd truly been here ten years, you would know that. People probably think you're complaining about gatecamping because you're giving it negative connotations, and, well, you are complaining about gatecamping. Trying to pretend that it's driving players away when it's not really is complaining. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.11.20 20:47:21 - [147] - Quote Remiel, you have a history of being not the quite sharpest tool in the box (euphemism), but let's try again: You pretend that it's not cool that CCP drives away content creators (normal people call them griefers), that it hurts the game and prevents newbies from enjoying it. Therefore, the "buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets" Now, as for the "bring back Erotica1", it should be self-evident, as your kind enjoys nothing more than a good griefing! bonus points if it's completely meta and humiliates the mark thoroughly. Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity. Therefore, yes, breaking news! random tryhard gatecamping is one of the reasons people quit the game. It falls under the umbrella of "griefing", which is coddled by CCP as it sells accounts. I hope you do enjoy the present Jeb! Surge in logged accounts, it might not last long.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony 853	Posted - 2016.11.20 22:15:17 - [148] - Quote Whoa. You sound mad.
Cien Banchiere Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution 129	Posted - 2016.11.20 23:17:57 - [149] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Some stuff that... what? So if I'm not part of these 10K am I not playing the game? Or am I too a scammed ganker try hard? Because if so, that's some news to me.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7966	Posted - 2016.11.21 02:39:14 - [150] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Remiel, you have a history of being not the quite sharpest tool in the box (euphemism), but let's try again: You pretend that it's not cool that CCP drives away content creators (normal people call them griefers), that it hurts the game and prevents newbies from enjoying it. Therefore, the "buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets" Now, as for the "bring back Erotica1", it should be self-evident, as your kind enjoys nothing more than a good griefing! bonus points if it's completely meta and humiliates the mark thoroughly. Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity. Therefore, yes, breaking news! random tryhard gatecamping is one of the reasons people quit the game. It falls under the umbrella of "griefing", which is coddled by CCP as it sells accounts. I hope you do enjoy the present Jeb! Surge in logged accounts, it might not last long. It amuses me greatly when you accuse me of not being the sharpest tool in the shed, while ironically demonstrating with your own vacant hyperbole how you missed the point of my post about player retention. I wasn't talking about any specific kind of player. I was talking about everyone who had been here for a while, and left. I'm sure it makes you, personally, feel better about yourself to belittle other people who play this game in a way that makes you upset, to make them less than human in your own mind, but you aren't fooling anyone that matters with your armchair psychoanalyses of the playerbase. We don't care what you call us, we're gonna keep ganking, and gatecamping, and doing all those other things you don't like regardless of your vitriol. So do yourself a favour, sweety. Calm the everloving **** down. Life's too short for the kind of nonsense you're expatiating around here, especially when you seem to be struggling to put it into correctly-formed coherent sentences. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, as you say, but your opinion of me means exactly as much as everything else you've posted here: nothing. If you can't contribute to the discussion without discriminating against elements of the playerbase that you just don't like, then you aren't contributing. Now, onto your assertion that gatecamps are causing people to leave the game: this was proven false, with data, years ago, so your argument there is also irrelevant. Come back when you have a meaningful, mature point to make. And if you're just going to strawman my points about retention again with more of that vacuous, impotent rage of yours, then I can only recommend you get some real therapy with a real psychologist instead of pretending to be one yourself. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.11.21 03:01:04 - [151] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though... I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions, What exactly do you mean by "content" and CCP's decisions?
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7966	Posted - 2016.11.21 03:11:07 - [152] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: if content dries up for the vets, the community will too, and nothing is more important for this game than the player community. For any other game, it doesn't matter so much. For this one though... I've seen too many good vets bail because of any number of CCP's changes that have been little more than bandaids on a gushing wound, bleeding players at an uncomfortable rate. I've had friends leave because of some of CCP's **** decisions, What exactly do you mean by "content" and CCP's decisions? I mean exactly what I said, with issues being addressed when they came up. I'm not going to make a detailed list here, the point of my post is that player numbers went down due to poor player retention, not because no new people were joining. I and other friends were recruiting new people every day during our stint in Khanid back in 2014-15, and then we'd watch them leave not because of gate camps, or because they got ganked, but because of a wide variety of reasons associated both with and not with the game itself. We watched the vets leave too, because of bad decisions by CCP, like removing watchlists without balancing the extremely altered power dynamic that resulted. That's just one example, but again, I'm not going to make a list, the point remains that retention is the problem, not attraction of new players. Making the game free will attract new players. It won't necessarily encourage retention. In fact, the only way to encourage retention now is to give those new people a reason to subscribe. Retention is also the core of the player community. As I explained, the more and the longer people stick around, the more people you have time to get to know, and establish a community with. If turnover is too high, people don't get to know each other, and no community develops. This is what makes retention much more important for a game like EVE Online (with social dynamics at the very heart of what makes the game successful) than any other. Let's face it, you can't PUG sov. And without established villains to rail against, what's left? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.11.21 04:58:21 - [153] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I'm sure it makes you, personally, feel better about yourself to belittle other people who play this game in a way that makes you upset, to make them less than human in your own mind, but you aren't fooling anyone that matters with your armchair psychoanalyses of the playerbase. We don't care what you call us, we're gonna keep ganking, and gatecamping, and doing all those other things you don't like regardless of your vitriol. Isn't your inability to describe what exactly CCP did wrong regarding player retention, that led to "content drying up" and vets being butthurt, tied to your underlying and pretty much incouscious shame of being an online sociopath? That would be pretty congruent with you being triggered that I describe griefers thus. Hyperdunking, bumping content... gone! Is that the content you were referring to? My dude, just like Ultima Online was trammelized because a certain subgroup of griefing tryhards abused mechanics, so is New Eden being normalized so you and your friends cannot cheese tears out of random gamers. Well normalized, not really... just being patched out of aberrations that were exploited endlessly
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7968	Posted - 2016.11.21 05:15:46 - [154] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: I'm sure it makes you, personally, feel better about yourself to belittle other people who play this game in a way that makes you upset, to make them less than human in your own mind, but you aren't fooling anyone that matters with your armchair psychoanalyses of the playerbase. We don't care what you call us, we're gonna keep ganking, and gatecamping, and doing all those other things you don't like regardless of your vitriol. Isn't your inability to describe what exactly CCP did wrong regarding player retention, that led to "content drying up" and vets being butthurt, tied to your underlying and pretty much incouscious shame of being an online sociopath? That would be pretty congruent with you being triggered that I describe griefers thus. Hyperdunking, bumping content... gone! Is that the content you were referring to? My dude, just like Ultima Online was trammelized because a certain subgroup of griefing tryhards abused mechanics, so is New Eden being normalized so you and your friends cannot cheese tears out of random gamers. Well normalized, not really... just being patched out of aberrations that were exploited endlessly And there you go with that useless armchair psychology again. You're wrong on every count, and as long as you continue to approach this and my point from an intentionally adversarial perspective, you will continue to be wrong. You're wrong about your ability to psychoanalyse people over the internet, you have no idea who my friends are, you're wrong about your assumption of what 'content' I'm referring to, and you seem to be completely inept at approaching this issue from a non-partisan standpoint, while I'm coming at it with no agenda except what's best for the game as a whole, not one particular group in it. Please get that through your tiny little skull before you accidentally strawman my positions again, thank you. I'm also going to report you every time you call someone 'sociopath' or any other pejorative, because you are not qualified to make an accurate psychological assessment of people, so the only way you can be using it is as a pejorative. If you can't be mature and have an adult discussion, then you aren't welcome at the adult table. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3717	Posted - 2016.11.21 06:43:46 - [155] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: That applies to solo PvP and Pve as well, how far can they possibly get ratting in a t1 cruiser? T1 cruiser gangs can do Lvl 4's and even some lvl 5's. I know because I've done that. Now I probably had more support skills than an alpha clone had as did the others in the fleet, but they still will be fine with Lvl 4's. 2 T1 Logi cruisers, 3+ DPS. Watch the targets die horrible deaths while the logi rep away. So yeah.... They can get a very long way indeed. Just have to actually work with others, not 'solo'
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3150	Posted - 2016.11.21 08:20:17 - [156] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity. You mean like forum alts? I am not sure why anyone would still "grief" you, since you already try to drown us with your tears. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3718	Posted - 2016.11.21 09:28:12 - [157] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity.. Average number of accounts is about 1.5 per player (From a Twitter guess the number fun thing from the CCP stats department) This means based on last financial report there are somewhere in the rough region of 250,000 players subscribed to EVE, and goodness knows how many more alpha's playing now. Your numbers might need a slight look at....
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 787	Posted - 2016.11.21 15:31:50 - [158] - Quote Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Remiel, you have a history of being not the quite sharpest tool in the box (euphemism), but let's try again: You pretend that it's not cool that CCP drives away content creators (normal people call them griefers), that it hurts the game and prevents newbies from enjoying it. Therefore, the "buhuhu my reverse griefed quitting vets" Now, as for the "bring back Erotica1", it should be self-evident, as your kind enjoys nothing more than a good griefing! bonus points if it's completely meta and humiliates the mark thoroughly. Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity. Therefore, yes, breaking news! random tryhard gatecamping is one of the reasons people quit the game. It falls under the umbrella of "griefing", which is coddled by CCP as it sells accounts. I hope you do enjoy the present Jeb! Surge in logged accounts, it might not last long. Again, griefing is against the TOS. If you see someone griefing in game, please file a support ticket. I suggest you read this and become familiar. https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/ If you need help reading it to understand what griefing is, shoot me a message in game and I can try to help you understand.
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 196	Posted - 2016.11.21 18:38:32 - [159] - Quote "Tryhard" I've noticed this term seems to be exclusively used by the chronically butthurt.
Lady Spank Get Out Nasty Face 3850	Posted - 2016.11.21 18:44:26 - [160] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Voxinian wrote: Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules. Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work. TII ammo is nice but you can live without it perfectly fine. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 1148	Posted - 2016.11.21 18:48:26 - [161] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what? You can't quit anymore.. Haha You can still biomass.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5663	Posted - 2017.01.04 04:57:07 - [162] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Ccp was warned about they chose to ignore it. All thr alphas are not new playera just vets creatings lots of free alts and use to bump numbers and camp.gates etc. Real bad move imo was alphas Yeah because by bumping numbers I get....uhhh...hmmm...oh yeah, nothing. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5663	Posted - 2017.01.04 05:00:25 - [163] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Whoa. You sound mad. Very mad. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5663	Posted - 2017.01.04 05:03:33 - [164] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote: Everyone that has played EvE and is not part of the 10k sadists and masochists sporting multiple accounts to either scam/gank/infiltrate/escape consequences or scout (masochists need to scout, to keep on playing the game instead of quitting it forever due to endless camping griefing), everyone not part of those circles quit the game because of your kind's toxicity.. Average number of accounts is about 1.5 per player (From a Twitter guess the number fun thing from the CCP stats department) This means based on last financial report there are somewhere in the rough region of 250,000 players subscribed to EVE, and goodness knows how many more alpha's playing now. Your numbers might need a slight look at.... I don't think Zoubidah will be swayed by facts, logic, or anything really. Just a truly pathetic troll. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5663	Posted - 2017.01.04 05:10:01 - [165] - Quote Suroh Kurvora wrote: The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play. All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours. GG Yeah...no. The only people who have looked at this in any meaningful way--i.e. with data--is CCP and t he results of that analysis says, "No, just the opposite." That is why one does empirical work, to make sure that one's intuition does not lead on astray. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Jotunspor Aion 514 32	Posted - 2017.01.04 06:43:27 - [166] - Quote Why was this thread resurrected? At least start a new one. FFS.
Omar Alharazaad Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3148	Posted - 2017.01.04 06:57:52 - [167] - Quote Hm. Well, this has been an interesting read at least. Anything that gets this many peeps flinging muck this savagely generally tends to be worthy of attention. I think I may have to start an alpha account and test some thingy bits out. I keep hearing about how bad they are, yet I have a strange feeling that I could squeeze some decent isk and shiny kills out of a t1 Incursus pilot. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2017.01.04 07:25:30 - [168] - Quote Siigari Kitawa wrote: When a blob of tech 1 fitted players blow up your souped up tech 2 boat you might change your mind. Couple of days ago someone was talking in local about a gate camp in the neighboring system. I told them all to jump into rookie ships and fit them with scrams and zerg rush them. I don't think they did but it would have been funny.
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin State War Academy Caldari State 6	Posted - 2017.01.04 19:59:16 - [169] - Quote Gotta agree with the OP. EVE is a skill devoid joke that caters to grief monkeys.

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