| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
42
   |
Posted - 2016.11.18 19:07:51 -
[1] - Quote
Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and-átrading.
|
Memphis Baas
2279
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 19:16:04 -
[2] - Quote
Sure.
They just released the whole Alpha/Omega thing, like, 3 days ago, so the options are limited for now.
But nothing's stopping them from adding Beta in the future.
Make an official suggestion in the Ideas and Suggestions forum. CCP keeps track of ideas there, and often implements them; if you just post in this General Discussion forum, your idea will get drowned by all the general chatter that happens here. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1064
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 19:36:57 -
[3] - Quote
Well, there's room for 22 more clone states between Alpha and Omega. Although, I think once we get a Sigma Clone State it may get a little confusing. |
Cara Forelli
Better Off Red
Unspoken Alliance.
2118
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 19:40:10 -
[4] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote: CCP keeps track of ideas there, and often implements them
lol
Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli
Titan's Lament
|
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
Jetpack Viking
373
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 19:41:06 -
[5] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
Why?
|
Matthias Ancaladron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 20:07:52 -
[6] - Quote
Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
440
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 21:33:31 -
[7] - Quote
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone
What gameplay reason would there be to play one? Faster skill training?
A signature :o
|
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1065
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 21:52:39 -
[8] - Quote
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:What gameplay reason would there be to play one? Faster skill training?
That was the idea, yes. Live fast, die permanently. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
Domestic Disturbance
368
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 23:10:57 -
[9] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
What about Gamma clones? Pay 5 cents a month per skill you want to go beyond the Alpha clone restriction.
Or Epsilon clones. Pay 5 dollars a month and be able to choose between 30 skills beyond the alpha clone restriction that you would like to use. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
581
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 23:13:08 -
[10] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
You are too early. Beta clones will come in the next big expansion in 2017. Gamma clones will follow in 2018 et cetera.
|
Memphis Baas
2283
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 23:17:51 -
[11] - Quote
Shhh.
|
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
220
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 23:25:31 -
[12] - Quote
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone
Ooh, I remember this one!
I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles. |
Zappity
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
3061
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 23:37:53 -
[13] - Quote
Pretty much inevitable at this stage.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
|
Gogela
Heh...
3367
|
Posted - 2016.11.18 23:58:00 -
[14] - Quote
PopeUrban wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone Ooh, I remember this one! I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles.
I think that the players taking advantage of this would be people with super long subs who would simply never log in and just accrue crazy SP. Alternatively, it could just be used to farm skill injectors. Probably not a great idea. It might be interesting though to give the so-called beta clones all of the Omega traits but with the risk of perma-death for 1/2 the price of a regular sub. That would make for an interesting risk vs reward dynamic.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
|
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
220
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 00:58:27 -
[15] - Quote
Gogela wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone Ooh, I remember this one! I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles. I think that the players taking advantage of this would be people with super long subs who would simply never log in and just accrue crazy SP. Alternatively, it could just be used to farm skill injectors. Probably not a great idea. It might be interesting though to give the so-called beta clones all of the Omega traits but with the risk of perma-death for 1/2 the price of a regular sub. That would make for an interesting risk vs reward dynamic.
pretty easy to just make such a clone unable to use extractors "due to experimental and unstable implant technology" since tracking clone states to determine use of items is part of the game now.
Plot twist: Let them avoid the diminishing returns from injectors as well.
And even if some longtime sub station sits to farm SP for a perfect super pilot on one of these I don't see the problem. He's still paying a substantial risk of permadeath for getting that super pilot up and running faster, but even at double training speed that's still a LONG time training that can be wiped out in a single podkill. As long as people can't use them to make invincible alts (e.g. trade alts, industry alts) and the skills like is limited to "stuff that is useful for flying spaceships" I don't see a problem with it.
Heck, kick it up a notch and make bounties on such clones pay out the full amount, since collecting the bounty is a permanent death, and publicly display the clone state of such clones to encourage more ganking. You could even make such cloning technology illegal so they get chased down by faction navies wherever they go in empire. I'd roll one. Sounds exciting. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
End of Life
335
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 03:32:24 -
[16] - Quote
it could easily be fixed
allow alpha clones upto t2 medium guns and tank mods
OR
allow alpha clones cross train at current skill restriction levels but for all races
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
|
Fatima Foont
3
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 05:15:31 -
[17] - Quote
How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month? |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
42
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 05:23:27 -
[18] - Quote
Fatima Foont wrote:How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month?
NEVER! 
Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and-átrading.
|
Mightylink
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 09:17:45 -
[19] - Quote
I like the idea of a "Veteran" clone, for people who already subscribed more then a year, they should get more benifits for their alpha clones then new alpha clones get, maby they played a lot when their teenagers but don't have time to subscribe anymore, it would be nice if they could still do a lot of passive stuff like all manufacturing and trading skills to level 5. |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
42
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 11:58:57 -
[20] - Quote
Actually didn't SPECIFICALLY have this in mind as a "vetarans" clone but I guess that is how it could be used.
My initial thoughts where just you are allowed a bit more of everything compared to the alpha clone...but don't pay full subscription....genius huh? 
Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and-átrading.
|
|
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
543
|
Posted - 2016.11.19 15:32:11 -
[21] - Quote
Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
|
|
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
543
|
Posted - 2016.11.20 02:46:38 -
[22] - Quote
Sorry this thread should not have been locked.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
|
elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1477
|
Posted - 2016.11.20 11:05:08 -
[23] - Quote
ISD Max Trix wrote:Sorry this thread should not have been locked.
Actually, we wouldn't mind at all if you would.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them.
This is the law of ship progression!
|
elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1477
|
Posted - 2016.11.20 11:06:27 -
[24] - Quote
David Grogan wrote:it could easily be fixed
allow alpha clones upto t2 medium guns and tank mods OR allow alpha clones cross train at current skill restriction levels but for all races
NO!
Or you could just pay 25000 per month like everyone else does.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them.
This is the law of ship progression!
|
Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad
Circle-Of-Two
175
|
Posted - 2016.11.21 12:38:28 -
[25] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
Get to know the game with an Alpha then go Omega if you like it (or not if not).
No more clone states.
-1 |
Voxinian
137
|
Posted - 2016.11.21 12:58:43 -
[26] - Quote
A cheaper clone without limitations other than being locked out of skilltraining would be nice. |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
42
|
Posted - 2016.11.22 01:30:23 -
[27] - Quote
I don't know why many of you are going bonkus because I am asking for just one more clone state and you think that I am asking for hundreds of clone states...
Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and-átrading.
|
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
45874
|
Posted - 2016.11.22 03:51:27 -
[28] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:I don't know why many of you are going bonkus because I am asking for just one more clone state and you think that I am asking for hundreds of clone states...
There's 24 letters in the Greek alphabet.
This one request if implemented, would just lead to someone else asking for a Gamma clone, then a delta, epsilon, etc., etc.
As soon as a line is drawn somewhere, someone will want the line moved somewhere else, or a way to remove the line all together.
We are only a week into the Alpha idea. Way too early to be suggesting other clone states in my opinion.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
|
Scuzzy Logic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
159
|
Posted - 2016.11.22 18:15:02 -
[29] - Quote
IMHO a formerly Omega clone that expires should be a Beta Clone and not an alpha one.
Same as alpha, but with the following: Cross-race skills ramain active. (To the extent of alpha clones) |
Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
12
|
Posted - 2016.11.22 18:27:16 -
[30] - Quote
While having other clone states may have some merit, just saying "a cheaper subscription that gives a bit more access than alpha clones" doesn't really promote what you are trying to accomplish.
How will you expand a so called 'Beta' clone's access, and still have it more restrictive than Omega?
-Access to all races ship types up to cruiser?
-Access to all ships within the race up to Battleship? or even Capitals?
-Allow training of advanced guns and ships?
-Full access but slower training?
-Full access but zero training?
And how will you achieve paying less when subscription is already so tightly tied to the PLEX?
-Introduce a new payment model?
-Allow the PLEX to extend game time by 2-3X the amount?
-How could a player make a transition between the two or three different states?
The only real suggestion made so far towards towards an actual idea of what could be different about them was the Hard Core mode that has insane training speed that was brought up. And while It's an intriguing idea, it would surly limit their playstyle and require so many in game restrictions around it that I think becomes unattainable in that form. As well, you don't want pilots to up and quit as soon as their character dies.
A hard core mode in Eve I think would need to have middle to high preset skills, mainly on combat, and near zero training needs and ability, so that when you die you don't just quit, but instead just role a new character.
While alternative clone states may be doable, I think there should be no middle ground for a subscription, and I think any new clone state would therefore need a duplicate between the pay and no-pay access models. Using "Hard Core Mode" as an example, you would need a subscription Hard Core Mode and a Free to Play Hard Core Mode, so that any single player created and locked into the mode on your account can transition between the two. |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |