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Renfus
Celestial Expeditions
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:20:00 -
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Instead of getting rid of Alts... How about listing every character on the account in each of their Bio's. Example: If you looked at my bio you would see Alts:John Doe , John Doe2. If you looked at John Doe's Bio it would say ALTS: Renfus, John Doe2
There ya go, Problem solved ... And away with Spys UNLESS their on a seperate account which ofcorse there's not much you can do about that...
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 18:46:00 -
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Excellent, everyone accountable for ALL their actions not just the actions of your main.
I am tired of alt-invincible actions. They should be able to be hunted (ala main) like everyone else. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC! |
Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:01:00 -
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Well some people might want to play different characters without people knowing about their other characters on their account for perfectly legitimate reasons.
Such as I might want to have one RP orientated character, and one for just going out and pvp'ing or whatnot. It kinda ruins the immersion if everyone knows you're a harcore pirate on your other character or somesuch.
In any case, for industrial players, you pretty much need all your alts just to have enough manu slots, lab slots, etc just to be competitive with multi-account players.
So nerfing alts might get rid of spies etc. in shuttle from noob corp, but they'd also nerf many industrialists. What is your reply to that?
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Mr Horizontal
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Posted - 2007.04.02 19:17:00 -
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This, flatly, just will not happen while there are humans playing Carebears and PvP in the same part of space.
And no one will give you opinions on the matter as to why unless it's in secret.
EVE is a far, far more complex and realistic vis a vis human interaction on many more levels than you think.
I've said enough.
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NumberFour
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:42:00 -
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People should be able to post ideas on this forum and play other characters in game and only be accountable for those characters actions.
Originally by: Lord Artemis Excellent, everyone accountable for ALL their actions not just the actions of your main.
I am tired of alt-invincible actions. They should be able to be hunted (ala main) like everyone else.
This smacks too much of "personal" Vendetta to me, which should not be allowed by any means.
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: NumberFour People should be able to post ideas on this forum and play other characters in game and only be accountable for those characters actions.
Originally by: Lord Artemis Excellent, everyone accountable for ALL their actions not just the actions of your main.
I am tired of alt-invincible actions. They should be able to be hunted (ala main) like everyone else.
This smacks too much of "personal" Vendetta to me, which should not be allowed by any means.
Funny but this is the reason that alts are weak, its a free license to create one day after day and play scout or run your mouth with impunity.
When you talk to someone's main or player they don't want to delete or recycle, you will notice a HUGE difference in attitude and candor. They stand up for who they are and act the way they want to be treated. It's honest and real.
The main attraction for me to this game was actions / consequences & risk vs. reward
It would seem that alts are only to hide your shame. Make a stand for who you are and your playstyle don't be afraid of it. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC! |
Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:32:00 -
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I play two characters with completely different styles. However neither of them are negative, one Miner and the other a Mission Runner. If one was a pirate, I fail to see how allowing a miner main to be a target because of the actions of a pirate alt would help.
Although some use alts for nefarious actions, some actually do play both characters differently depending on what they want to do at that time. If they want to relax in highsec with a miner alt, having their day torn up by some player who got popped by their less friendly main won't make things any better.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:49:00 -
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Well, how about a 'main' flag in your character's description?
Let it either be your highest SP char or maybe you can decide which char is your main and set that flag accordingly. The two other chars will not have it.
Sure, it wouldn't be perfect, but probably a lot better. _________________________________ - The sky is the sky wherever you go - |
NumberFour
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
Originally by: NumberFour Stuff
Originally by: Lord Artemis Stuff
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Funny but this is the reason that alts are weak, its a free license to create one day after day and play scout or run your mouth with impunity.
When you talk to someone's main or player they don't want to delete or recycle, you will notice a HUGE difference in attitude and candor. They stand up for who they are and act the way they want to be treated. It's honest and real.
The main attraction for me to this game was actions / consequences & risk vs. reward
It would seem that alts are only to hide your shame. Make a stand for who you are and your playstyle don't be afraid of it.
We seem to have a conflict of play styles, some play different characters with different playstyles, since this is a "MMORolePlayingGame".
It seems you play the game according to who "you" are. Nothing wrong with either, but makes all the more important to keep the idenity of those alts different.
This "game" allows people to play and explore different "roles" that are available. There should be no connection between these. Pirate one day, minner next.
Some people say "post with your main" so we can settle this "in game". As if it was an actual competition between the two. This is a "game". I post my ideas of how the game should and should not be. I don't want to be bothered by those who "strongly" disagree with me when I "play" this game.
Some people seem to find it hard to seperate real life "this forum" and fantasy "in game", but it is a distinction that should be made. Who I am in real life is not the same as who I am in this "role playing" game.
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 20:29:00 -
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Alts remind me of what I find missing in other games.
-Progressive play where every time you beat any part of the game you save, if you mess up, you reload at the last save and do it over and over 1000 times if needed to get it right without having to start over.
-FPS games that you run around shoot someone or get shot. Start over lose nothing (maybe a few cooler weapons but nothing you can't get in a min or two) rinse, repeat. Monotony.
-Everyone in the end is the hero, only one path to salvation, blah blah.
Eve is unique, it pits you against the world of Eve. There are winners and there are losers. Sometimes you feel both sides. In the end when you win it feels good, when you lose it sucks, but it is challenging, exciting, unpredictable, and limitless to the experiences you can have.
I agree there is a useful and good point of view about having a miner and a pirate. Fine. If you look at that closely you will see beyond the front and get to the behind the smoke conclusion. Your pirate character is ebil, kills ruthlessly, and is probably a hoot. He probably doesn't earn an income or grind missions or mine. Your miner character does and you transfer cash/mods/ships to the pirate. Please don't say you mine in your pirate char because you would be the first. So all in all your blowing up ships causing hate and discontent to other players. A lot of fun huh? Sure it is your miner money maker is safely anonymous and out of reach for any favor returning (vendetta is nothing more than reply in kind to being wronged already ) That's what everyone against this is worried about. Losing their consequence free playstyle.
I've played this game a long time. I enjoyed the fact that this game requires a bit of thinking and planning. You have to be careful, strategic, cunning, adaptive.
Challenge yourself once in a while, hell, you might even surprise yourself and come out on top. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC! |
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.04.04 01:33:00 -
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Instead let people cash in their alt slots for an increased chance of getting to morph their character into jove.
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Let Nelass
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Posted - 2007.04.04 09:25:00 -
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Look, this is ridiculous. CCP clearly states that the use of alts in whatever manner is permissible, and even encouraged. They even applauded people's ingenuity in the employment of alts!
You are complaining about a valid game mechanic, personally I find the threat of spies to add a richer flavour to corp life. And if people are so worried about their anonymity when doing something that they got to the trouble of creating an alt for it, then I say they should be allowed to reap the rewards of their trouble. If it is something truly illegitimate, such as macro mining, the account will be banned anyway if discovered. Hopefully. As long as they stay within the rules of the game I wish them the best of luck.
Why don't you all think of a reliable way to reveal macro-miners, instead of alt-bashing?
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Riggers Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Let Nelass they got to the trouble of creating an alt for it
Trouble with creating alts??
You can make one in 10 minutes.. there is no trouble, risk or anything with that.
Do everything with your main, and you have to face the consequences of your past. Create an alt, and your main gets away free of ANY consequence. That is not right.
I don't mind alts for different play styles, I might even try out piracy i an alt. But using the alts to make buisness for your main, is not that way to go.
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Kadean
Gallente Visual I.D GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:15:00 -
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i agree with the idea but seems like a pain in the butt to inforce and make happen though, most ppl will just create a seperate account which they already have yeah?
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Nim9i5
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:13:00 -
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alts ruin the game period. In the real world you dont have two sperate lives. Alts manipulate the game, make it less strategic, less specialized roles, and allows for easy ways to make money in war. Whats the point in a war, when the alt makes the money. You are not hurting them financially. Alts basically water down the game. A game based on specialization, can be run by one player with multiple accounts.
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Uhmari
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:29:00 -
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original poster, Good idea, But i dont support it.
Alts are part of the game, Spies are part of the game, And only people who are unexperienced cannot counter them, This endless crying and whining about alt spies, ect and so forth need to stop and get over it.
it is part of the realistic world, There for, it is part of eve.
it is my opinion is servers a beneficial effect on eve, and its integrity of keeping the realism intact. Empires are built on conquest and war, not peace and trade. |
Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.09 12:32:00 -
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Sarigot Thade
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:07:00 -
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I don't agree with this idea. I'm all about holding people accountable for their actions. But in the end of it all, this is not real life, EVE is just a game...
If someone wishes to play two different play styles (ie: one pirate, one friendly miner), without character alt's being anonymous, what ability does a player have to play the game and experience every exciting aspect it has to offer? Just because you might have personally found a single play style to be to your liking, does not mean that you can assume that everyone else is happy with only playing one character, one way. Due to the nature of EVE, a person who wishes to enjoy the excitement of pirating would then suffer when they desired to mine with a corp, due to the fact that they desired to experience multiple aspects of a videogame they are paying good money to enjoy.
In the end, the people willing and able to afford two accounts for the sole purpose of hiding their pirate identity would do so regardless. You would only punish those who cannot afford to pay 2 monthly fees, and particularly, those unwilling to buy a whole new copy of the game, to bury their past, after deciding to go straight.
Basically, if we are going to go so far as to say we should remove alt anon, then why not remove player anon as well? Heck! I know I was podded last night in low sec space by a 13 year old kid and his buddies, if I knew where he lived to go kick his arse, I bet he would behave himself better in game; he couldn't hide behind alt anon with multiple accounts either... ------------------------------------------------
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Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:57:00 -
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Just make it possible to investigate funds / assets transfers. If you use separate characters for different purposes , then you wouldn't be affected. Alts (especially hauling / scamming ones) would be rather obvious.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:05:00 -
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I support this idea. What if some one wants to form a corp with no alt accout having players?
Now the question comes how would people be able to track the accounts if some one uses multiple credicards?
Well you could use and Ip tracker of sorts to find out who is who. Of course then comes the question of cyber cafe's and what not
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:19:00 -
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Well, obviously Im not going to disagree with this (I already do it in my bio and siggy), but I dont really think it would solve much. NPC corp alts are still NPC corp alts, usually you know who theyre working for already theres just not much you can do about it. Plus you have the whole multiple account issue, and a lot of famous/notorious players have a much lesser known 2nd account for hauling and stuff. So all it would really do is nerf semi-legit alt usage and encourage even more metagaming.
The one thing that would be nice is if a character could voluntarily make available their alts, so potential employers would know for sure of their identity (login screenshot is easily faked by anyone whos not a moron). _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Maxpie
Split Infinity
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Posted - 2007.04.15 23:55:00 -
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I don't think it would work unless you also kept a log of all past alts too since people would just delete their corp thief alts and such.
Personally, I'm all for 1 char per paid account. I think it really adds to the game enjoyment when that's you, except in the game. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |
Thomas Maleficus
Caldari all professions
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Maleficus on 16/04/2007 14:36:33
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Let Nelass they got to the trouble of creating an alt for it
Trouble with creating alts??
You can make one in 10 minutes.. there is no trouble, risk or anything with that.
Do everything with your main, and you have to face the consequences of your past. Create an alt, and your main gets away free of ANY consequence. That is not right.
I don't mind alts for different play styles, I might even try out piracy i an alt. But using the alts to make buisness for your main, is not that way to go.
Yes it is, that is exactly what alts are for. In war situations you can bet your ass I'm using an alt to mine for me to fund my pvp needs.
The rest of what you said I agree with. I don't want to be a fun nice person all the time in eve. Somtimes I want to be a bad ebil pirate, a can thief, a spy, a scout, or a smack tard. Typically a bad day at school or work turns into a destructive pirating binge, raining down suffering and pain on others. I am not going to ruin the progress of my good character just so I can have a bit of fun flouting the conventions of civilised society. Sure I admit to this, but those affected by my main don't know me from the jack. If I could not have an anonymous alt on my account then I would use iskies to buy a second account, simple as that. How then do you counter the second account alt?
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.16 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maxpie Personally, I'm all for 1 char per paid account. I think it really adds to the game enjoyment when that's you, except in the game.
Wouldn't that be exactly the same as what we have now? I have 2 accounts. What's to stop me having one as a Pirate and funding him from the other account? So instead of a main and an alt, people will have multiple mains to do the same thing. The only real difference is that it makes life even easier because both characters can train at once.
Example: If I could make one main a corp thief, it would pay me to have that account as a disposable character just as an alt is now.
It's a standard part of any game, live with it. Even WOW players have multiple accounts for the same reason.
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Mr Resident
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Posted - 2007.04.16 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Maxpie Personally, I'm all for 1 char per paid account. I think it really adds to the game enjoyment when that's you, except in the game.
Wouldn't that be exactly the same as what we have now? I have 2 accounts. What's to stop me having one as a Pirate and funding him from the other account? So instead of a main and an alt, people will have multiple mains to do the same thing. The only real difference is that it makes life even easier because both characters can train at once.
Example: If I could make one main a corp thief, it would pay me to have that account as a disposable character just as an alt is now.
It's a standard part of any game, live with it. Even WOW players have multiple accounts for the same reason.
I think it's "disposable" alts that get people hot under the collar...make new char, go into 0.0 space and look for enemy ships...if he gets dead, no great loss. Sure you could pay $10 per month for the pleasure of doing that on a totally different account, it just aggrieves some people that EVE lets you do it for free.
I'm a fan of alts. Not just for in-game purposes but also for the forums. There are those childish enough here to wardec someone for their opinion (you know who you are) and alts give good protection against that.
And, to avoid a self-fulfilling prophecy...yes, this IS my alt.
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Emylissan
Gallente European Science Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.16 16:06:00 -
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So i readed about alts and additional accounts in this thread, now whats the point?
Using an alt in the same account the main char is in, is no problem in my opinion. That way you can only earn money with one char at the same time. Mining with one or missions with the other for example.
Or do you mean an alt char in a different, additional account?
In that way the player PAYS for another account so the player has the goddamned right to do what ever the player wants when paying another account.
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Zee Zen
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Posted - 2007.04.16 16:42:00 -
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Ignoring the merits of the argument, if they 'ban' alts, then only those who can afford to pay for a second account (and employ a proxy for a 2nd IP address) will have one.
There is no way to enforce a ban. It's like trying to stop P2P piracy.
Just accept it and move on.
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