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Brenhalde
Shadowed Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:12:00 -
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Obviously everyone wants to know if there was anything building. BoB says the POS was empty (obviously), and coalition, which went to a lot of trouble say its propaganda - that there was a titan building (obviously).
So, I have a solution.
SirMolle, would you agree to letting CCP announce the truth? Coalition Leadership Representative (D2, AAA, whoever), would you agree to letting CCP announce the truth?
If one agrees and the other does not, I'd say the agreeing party "wins". If both agree, maybe CCP would be so kind as to... yeah, fat chance :p... but maybe...
Or the more likely scenario - neither responds and this thread needs to be locked.
Just a thought.
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maarud
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:13:00 -
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won't happen, cause ccp won't do it Maarud.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:15:00 -
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The only thing that everybody can agree on is that coalition lost close to 50 capital ships.
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lles
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:16:00 -
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And ppl wont believe CCP
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Plaetean
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:17:00 -
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We've just had one of these threads... it would be competely wrong for CCP to do this, even if Molle and/or coalition leadership wanted them to.
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Cataclysmic Rogue
Minmatar Federation of Builders Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:18:00 -
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There is picture proof and goonswarm have announced it was empty on other forums too, what more do you need?
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Nymos
Fimbulvintr
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:19:00 -
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do we want to know the truth? eve history is made by what the corporation and alliances announce. eve history books say ASCN had the first titan no matter how many had been built before by BoB because they didn't make it public.
it ruins immersion and fun if ccp does the announcements. and then the tinfoil hatters would say bob = ccp and can't trust ccp. in the end ccp would get flamed and lose credibility. --
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: lles And ppl wont believe CCP
"Tru dat"
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Plaetean
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:22:00 -
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The whole idea of CCP intervening on this is ludicrous.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:34:00 -
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I think it's a good idea tbh. Everyone want to know the truth finally - except those who lie ofc. And if both parties agree, why should CCP not ?
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:36:00 -
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I'm going to take a wild guess that this whole discussion is ludicrous because CCP will never agree to do it. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:36:00 -
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CCP wont do it. The Screenies and fraps are sufficient. -----
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bsspewer
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: bsspewer on 02/04/2007 21:34:47 CCP intervention is not needed. The accusations and conflict that is arising from this issue are natural parts of any war. One side has their intelligence, the other side has their's. The only truth that ever is recorded comes from the winning side in the time to come.
Besides, if CCP intervene in another BOB matter, it still wouldn't be enough convincing due to past circumstances that came to light.
EDIT: woot, I posted next to Josh! o/ old friend :)
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Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:41:00 -
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The moment CCP start to get involved in such matters they'll be repeatedly asked to. Personally I feel that CCP have no place getting involved in the politics of the game and as such no-one should even consider asking them to comment on such matters.
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Vannilla Venom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.02 21:59:00 -
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CCP confirmed the ASCN Titan was the 1st on tranq after BoB tried to claim they had 1 but nobody had seen it.So they will intervene when necessary.
If BoB asked CCP to confirm what was building I'm sure they would oblige.
CCP have obviously been 'sworn to secrecy' or asked to play along by Molle and co or they would have said a Titan was in the cooker or not when they made the entry in the 'player news' section.
It's extremely likely that, at some point, they would build a Titan there anyway and the result would be the same.The ship yard died.As will the next 1 the coalition think is building a Titan.
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:01:00 -
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Drilla
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba ...there are other pictures that show the inaccurate paintshopping of the origina screenshot...
Err no there aren't - there's just some people refusing to learn what JPEG is also several guides to reproduce the EXACT same diffusion patterns around the text has been posted using print-screen in EVE.
Get a grip - the pics and fraps are solid, now admit you screwed up and move on.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:15:00 -
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"All warfare is based on desception" "look strong where you are weak, look weak where you are strong" -Sun Tzu (translations may vary)
Keeping that in mind, actually letting the enemy know what your real casualities are is very, very dumb. Letting them assume, well that is alltogether a different thing. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus "All warfare is based on desception" "look strong where you are weak, look weak where you are strong" -Sun Tzu (translations may vary)
Keeping that in mind, actually letting the enemy know what your real casualities are is very, very dumb. Letting them assume, well that is alltogether a different thing.
this alone makes me believe the story is not true. notwithstanding the evidence.
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Ranko
Antares Frontier The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ranko on 02/04/2007 22:26:41 This whole mess about what was building inside the production array is pointless, who cares if it was a Titan, a Mothership, hell even a shuttle.
The coalition forces, with what I have read and understood on many of the many threads posted since, all point to the fact... The coalition did not care what was being built at the POS. Their goal was the destruction of the POS structure and hence to reduce BoBs capability to produce super-capital-class ships.
BoBs function at the time, was also simply stated, it was to defend the POS and if unable to do so, kill as much as possible within the given time-frame... again which they did...
So who wins in this case? Both do...
The coalition achived their battle objectives, remove and/or reduce BoBs super-capital production in a 'legal' way, via game mechanics and shear fire-power and numbers.
BoBs objects were also achived, the destruction of their enemies and the attacking capital fleets.
While I know everyone is itching to honestly know if and what the capital production array was producing (if anything), but to be honest, no one will ever truely know apart from BoB. BoB will never honestly say what was produced and hence destroyed or even if anything was destroyed at all. And to be honest I can not blame them for saying nothing was destroyed and so 'we win, because we destroyed the attackers capital fleet', just as the coalition will always say, BoB are lying and yes we did destroy a capital ship in production. Again its due to moral, principles and honor.
So... should CCP Games says what really happened, was a capital ship destroyed while being produced within the POS structure? No they should'nt, why? Because its not their right to pry into the privacy of an alliance, would the Goonis, D2, Razor, RISE or YW be happy that CCP just steam-rolled thru, looked into the database and said.... hmmmm... this alliance is producing or was producing a titan in the pos that just got trashe, lets just announce it... Of course they wouldnt. its not their right to do so...
Anyway, to be truely honest, would anyone ever listen or believe CCP if they did announce if a capital was destroyed in the POS take-down? Nope, why? the past history of BoB and CCP being in bed with one-another due to recent events.
So, people.... why is this chest beating, ego inflating, worthless drival still being spouted? Yes, BoB was dealt a blow by the destruction of one of their capital producing POSs, yes the coalition was dealt a blow by BoB in the destruction of their capital fleets. Yes the system was capped at 700 people, I can understand why it was done, and will no doubt be done again should numbers grow to such heights again.
But all in all, both sides of this war, BoB and their allies and the various coalitions on their side... Achieved their objects.
Lets move on, so I can sit back and see more EVE history be made, without (I hope) the bigitory, and jealously and hate many people of both sides have towards the other... It is after all a virtual reality, and a computer game at that... It does not really exist, but it is fun, and as such should remain as such.
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Ehrine Ashbark
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vannilla Venom CCP have obviously been 'sworn to secrecy' or asked to play along by Molle and co or they would have said a Titan was in the cooker or not when they made the entry in the 'player news' section.
The article in the player news section was written by an ISD reporter who is more then likely a volunteer. Said volunteer reported the news as it could be obtained by player and not developer. You'll note the article gives both sides claims with regard to the contents of the array and also states that there is no definate confirmation as to the contents. This is consistant with what pretty much anyone who could have written an article could know. Your statment about "CCP being sworn to secrecy" is therefore baseless and written by someone who clearly doesn't understand how such articles are written (or who by for that matter).
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:36:00 -
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What you people fail to realize is that Sirmolle or BoB really dont owe you an explanation at all. Also, both him AND coalition leaders have confirmed that there was no titan building at all.
There was also only one job running in the system, while the system had two cap yards. After the POS was destroyed, the job was still running"!"!!!
Now, what does that last bit of info tell you, combined with the screenshots and fraps of the mothership launching? Please stop crying now kthx
Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Hast
Refused.
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vannilla Venom CCP confirmed the ASCN Titan was the 1st on tranq after BoB tried to claim they had 1 but nobody had seen it.So they will intervene when necessary.
If BoB asked CCP to confirm what was building I'm sure they would oblige.
CCP have obviously been 'sworn to secrecy' or asked to play along by Molle and co or they would have said a Titan was in the cooker or not when they made the entry in the 'player news' section.
It's extremely likely that, at some point, they would build a Titan there anyway and the result would be the same.The ship yard died.As will the next 1 the coalition think is building a Titan.
umm, BoB never claimed to have the first titan. We just didnt confirm if we had one or not and people did their best to draw their own conclusions.
Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:44:00 -
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Clearly, the number of BoB members working for CCP would ensure that an investigation would only verify what Molle has said.
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bsspewer
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:46:00 -
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i believe the empire kill of the freighter by outbreak was a faked fraps movie. The compression of the movie was far to low. It's spin that was spun by outbreak to make the public believe they are uber and that you can't F w/ them.
anyways, I'm out of this discussion. I thought what I posted was "flame free". But I guess everyone can be lured into a false sense of security.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:49:00 -
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I think CCP has already "helped" enough. -------------------------------------
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Weng Lau
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:54:00 -
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FFS give this **** up!
its completly useless, completly moronic, and absolutly means **** all!
So why dont you go and make sure your floaters are flushed next time rather than posting here!
PS I am drunk so i represent the beer I am drinking!
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Baymm
Shadow Gypsies R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.02 22:57:00 -
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Let me guess!
Yuengling?
Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise |
ArkulA
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:04:00 -
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CCP is a company out-game which sells a mmorpg, they don't have anything to prove or to show, not a corporation or alliance IN-GAME (some perhaps forgot it).
It is not their role
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:28:00 -
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the intrigue IS part of the game, whether you like it or not.
if you dont want anything that cant be set in stone, then all eve-politiking is useless (standings? so ccp would have to hard code not being able to activate "harmful" mods onto a frienly standing player.) From nothing to something in just one corp!
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