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welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:27:00 - [31] Originally by: DeckardIRL Originally by: Fitz Chivalry This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurious system caps, meta gaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals. How this war ends is already certain. Think of the Great War and you might get the idea, because it will be the 2nd Eve War that really decides what happens. Deck I think what hes saying is there is a danger of there not being a second Eve war. This conflict has polarized like never before. We've almost got a North south divide. Thing is if the coalitions assault is completely turned on its heels who is left? A year before BoB & friends own it all is a very real prospect in my opinion. It's upto the smaller alliances who currently fight for one particular side to make a stand on their own. If every one of the sizeable groups picks a side then stagnation is a very real possibility. Sure there will always be your petty border disputes and bad blood conflicts but nothing that will trouble whichever side is victorius. Titans are an extension of this problem tbh. They are endgame. How long before BoB have 50? 6 months tops, possibly. With all that instant strike capability and an endless string of friends Eve is becoming a much smaller place. Not saying this will happen but it isn't unlikely.
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:23:00 - [32] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: DeckardIRL Originally by: Fitz Chivalry This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurious system caps, meta gaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals. How this war ends is already certain. Think of the Great War and you might get the idea, because it will be the 2nd Eve War that really decides what happens. Deck I think what hes saying is there is a danger of there not being a second Eve war. This conflict has polarized like never before. We've almost got a North south divide. Thing is if the coalitions assault is completely turned on its heels who is left? A year before BoB & friends own it all is a very real prospect in my opinion. It's upto the smaller alliances who currently fight for one particular side to make a stand on their own. If every one of the sizeable groups picks a side then stagnation is a very real possibility. Sure there will always be your petty border disputes and bad blood conflicts but nothing that will trouble whichever side is victorius. Titans are an extension of this problem tbh. They are endgame. How long before BoB have 50? 6 months tops, possibly. With all that instant strike capability and an endless string of friends Eve is becoming a much smaller place. Not saying this will happen but it isn't unlikely. Maybe someone can explain something to a realitive nub like me. Why is it BoB can build the super-capitals so much faster and more profecienlty than the coalition? Just a simple question. My thought wuld be that the North are more indvidualists and prefer not to force their players to play this game a certain way.
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:02:00 - [33] Originally by: welsh wizard I think what hes saying is there is a danger of there not being a second Eve war. This conflict has polarized like never before. We've almost got a North south divide. Thing is if the coalitions assault is completely turned on its heels who is left? A year before BoB & friends own it all is a very real prospect in my opinion. What I say here is personal opinion only. I used the WWI analogy because thats what I think will happen. Either RA or BoB will sue for peace. No-one else matters. D2 is dispensable as far as RA are concerned. Does anyone seriously expect BoB and RA to go toe to toe now? BoB are busy consolidating after the ASCN war and RA have just come back from the dead. Once D2 have been defeated I somehow think that there will be an uneasy peace for a while as BoB will control the North and West and RA the South and East. After that.... see how the coalition implosion ends up and then it will be round 2. Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:51:00 - [34] Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/04/2007 17:48:45 I don't think anyone will bother trying again personally. I think it'll calm down again while those that can be arsed (BoB) will continue to assimilate space and gain new friends to act as housekeepers. Until these entities who submit to larger groups have a change of heart and go it alone then it'll continue in this fashion until one side essentially owns New Eden. It's basically a snowball effect and it seems more hopeless for the defenders with each day that passes. This game is about blowing each other up but most would rather back a larger entity and claim the glory once the smokes cleared. Perhaps this sheds some light on the derogatory terms applied to those who are friends with BoB. Theres a clear 'Alpha' figure in your pack when there isn't as such on the other side.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:23:00 - [35] The vast bulk of the POS sovereignty is due to the extensive and well maintained moon mining operations that BOB has going on. T2 production requires the good stuff. Back during the ASCN war someone did a full "evaluation" of the their poses, what they were mining and a full count. I believe that count was 114. Add in the space (and moons) that came with ASCN falling and walah, big number.
probablecause Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:03:00 - [36] Serenity, How often is that data updated? Is there any chance it could be graphed over time?
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:06:00 - [37] Didn't the Chinese server end up with one alliance (and friends) effectively controlling all of 0.0? If I recall, that game is basically dead and buried too. Maybe one of our Chinese server players can give better details here.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Didn't the Chinese server end up with one alliance (and friends) effectively controlling all of 0.0? If I recall, that game is basically dead and buried too. Maybe one of our Chinese server players can give better details here. Wouldn't surprise me. It seems to me that many of the factions here can trace their way back to NPC space before there were outposts. Bad blood from that period surrounds many of the conflicts today. If TQ has gone straight into conquerable stations and pos wars and capitals, I don't think this game would still exist.
Galum Arfamon Red 42 CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:07:00 - [39] I sincerely hope people will not "give up" and let BoB win, not because I'm on the coalition side, but because this would lead to stagnation, and death of the game. Let's see: coalition wins -> Chaos as each portion of the coalition goes their own way, and BoB rebuild their strength, and goes back on a rampage. Everybody still has fun and pew pew! BoB wins -> they basically "win Eve". The best and experienced pilots (including BoB/MC) get bored and move on. The young pilots can't see much to accomplish anymore and move on. The game dies a slow death :( The titan situation unfortunately, as Welsh said, is pushing toward stagnation as well. Once one alliance has access to so much resources, and can build a fleet of those monsters, nothing can really stand to it anymore. We small alliances can do squirmishes, and sector warfare action but that's about it. I might be oversimplifying here, but tbh I love that game, even if I've only been playing for a little over a year (i.e. I'm a noob still), and really hope this war won't be leading to the end of Eve. Stagnation is bad, m'kay? (that's why I love Outbreak :) )
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:22:00 - [40] some of the replies really ***** me up. welsh, 50 titans in 6 months ? Are you really really believing that statement ? As far as the polarization is going, Eve has been polarized the whole time. Be it in the old CA vs all conflict, be it in the "north vs south" conflict or be it in the current conflict. Part of this problem is the habit of bringing more guys to a fight if you cant do it yourself. The northern napfest has shown this since 6 ? months. No real deep conflicts no earthshaking changes in this sector of space. Sure TCF were there but get evicted or a small uprising. But the south is in full change. A stagnation there ? Doubtfull. RA was forced back and came back to life. LV dissappeared. Stain dissapeared, V dissapeared, Ascn dissapeared and many "new" spaceholders popped up. This huge conflict brought one thing, it forced BoBs side to unite. "just businesspartners" were becoming brothers in arms and any coalition dream of "seeing you in Nol in a month" were by now proven to be a pipedream. The new war has proven one thing no poster so far has mentioned. Dedication is the key. Gone are the times where you just rolled in, destroyed and bored everyone to death and left a savaged land. Now you have to move in, place infrastructure, hold and defend space and assemble "locals" to defend your/their territory. A strategy so far all entities have acknowledged but not all have mastered. As a last reminder to all the ASCN dudes whining salty tears, during ASCN existance you were eager to maintain as many naps as possible and you didnt mind the polarization when BoB actually was on your side and you could blob EC- or when LV was on your side and you could blob RA. It seems you display a wee bit too much double moral here these days now that you got evicted and your buildings are inhabited by others.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.04.05 02:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Serenity Steele Are BoB or The Coalition winning? A static picture of the number of outposts doesn't tell you who's winning the war. You need a starting point to use as a comparison. Most people would mark the beginning of the war by BoB's announcement that it would join LV's effort and grind RedSwarm into dust. (Not in those words, of course, I'm sure the terms were more carefully couched--see number three.) From that perspective, the primary change is that LV's number of outposts has gone to zero. By that basis, the Coalition is winning overwhelmingly. But if you really want to track the progress of the war this way, you should keep a weekly record of how many outposts each alliance has, and see how it changes.
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.04.05 16:34:00 - [42] Geez I hope that list is more up to date than the animated alliance map on that site... . . . Regards, August
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.05 17:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Kcel Chim ...welsh, 50 titans in 6 months ? Are you really really believing that statement ? Ok maybe that was a bit of a half arsed comment. With each new titan the game shrinks though, as someone else pointed out other people can build titans too but not everyone can use them properly. This doesn't mean they aren't a considerable threat to the games longevity.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.04.05 18:03:00 - [44] I'am sorry but,this doent gives us a clear imagine off what is hapenning ,or does it? I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Karrimdra FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 18:52:00 - [45] Titans are first strike weapons and 'omg get them off the field fast' cards. Jump bridge a fleet, hit the enemy with DDD and jump out 10-15mins later, leaving a 150man fleet behind to have fun. I don't see it stagnating the game overly, just means that being 150 jumps from your enemy won't mean your safe from them without a concerted effort on the logistics of fighting so far from home. From nothing to something in just one corp! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:12:00 - [46] A titan is also a great guerrilla warfare resistance weapon against a great empire. Very hard to kill/trap, able to travel independently, tremendous if intermittent destructive power against anything less than a capital, and with lots of floating station type resources. Sort of a Battlestar Galactica. If people figure out how to coordinate and make the appropriate investment they can become a tool of resistance as much as a tool of domination.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:03:00 - [47] Edited by: patteSatan on 06/04/2007 11:00:23 Originally by: Kcel Chim some of the replies really ***** me up. welsh, 50 titans in 6 months ? Are you really really believing that statement ? As far as the polarization is going, Eve has been polarized the whole time. Be it in the old CA vs all conflict, be it in the "north vs south" conflict or be it in the current conflict. Part of this problem is the habit of bringing more guys to a fight if you cant do it yourself. The northern napfest has shown this since 6 ? months. No real deep conflicts no earthshaking changes in this sector of space. Sure TCF were there but get evicted or a small uprising. But the south is in full change. A stagnation there ? Doubtfull. RA was forced back and came back to life. LV dissappeared. Stain dissapeared, V dissapeared, Ascn dissapeared and many "new" spaceholders popped up. This huge conflict brought one thing, it forced BoBs side to unite. "just businesspartners" were becoming brothers in arms and any coalition dream of "seeing you in Nol in a month" were by now proven to be a pipedream. The new war has proven one thing no poster so far has mentioned. Dedication is the key. Gone are the times where you just rolled in, destroyed and bored everyone to death and left a savaged land. Now you have to move in, place infrastructure, hold and defend space and assemble "locals" to defend your/their territory. A strategy so far all entities have acknowledged but not all have mastered. As a last reminder to all the ASCN dudes whining salty tears, during ASCN existance you were eager to maintain as many naps as possible and you didnt mind the polarization when BoB actually was on your side and you could blob EC- or when LV was on your side and you could blob RA. It seems you display a wee bit too much double moral here these days now that you got evicted and your buildings are inhabited by others. And your BoB main is called what? I used to have respect for atuk, you pretty much eneded it. <br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
Primer Xenius Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:10:00 - [48] Quote: I used to have respect for atuk, you pretty much eneded it. More respect than I ever had. I remember them way back from the CA days back stabbing left, right and center. ATUK, BOB and their kind gives me pleasure in playing eve. What the point of playing eve without some great enemy to hate.
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Chrisb6122 Edited by: Chrisb6122 on 03/04/2007 01:21:10 I think CCP, and as a collective game is winning Since dispite the outcome on this conflict new people will be drawn in by what members of the community are managing to achieve in a game of this scale. Taking a step back and look in from the outside this conflict is a good thing for all of the community, PVP'ers get to 'pew' 'pew' "carebears" get to make bigger profits trading more. Edit, People will enjoy this conflict more if they particpate and newer players aren't directed to this section of the forum I think anyway I would say the total opposite. I fully expect BoB to "win" this war at which point loads of people will just say "meh **** it" and go play something else because if/when bob win the only options are quit or join bob/become a pet or a pointless gank-a-corp it seems. Having said that I would say a good proportion of my friends in-game have already quit or are winding down the amount they play massively, and I would be surprised if the same were not true of a grat many people. This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurous system caps, metagaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals. One of the best post in here, i think Fitz has hit the nail on the head ccp seem far to interested in fleshing out the game and adding pretty flowery bits onto it and not devoting time and resources to fix the obvious faults with the game.Will be interesting to see how many leave in june.
Esau Cairn Bombshell Cartel Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:18:00 - [50] I think people who believe that BoB want to control all of Eve are touched in the head. (Hmm, I should just end there, but let me explain.) Controlling territory is not the fun part. Dealing with a hundred different emails about 'so-and-so wants access to this plex' and 'this POS needs fuel' and 'this corp was mean to my corp' is not fun for most of us. I don't want any part of that and I think most people would want to minimize their need to take care of bs tasks like that. (There's always someone who enjoys it, but no way it describes the majority of Eve gamers.) The fun part of Eve is pew-pewing against other players. A gang of you and your buds against a gang of some guy and his buds? Does that not sound like every sand-lot pick-up game you've ever played? Aren't those fun? I could see BoB taking as much as 50% of territory, because at that point, there'd still be plenty of people to fight against. Any more than that, and it'd be too hard to find people to fight. Plus, the more territory you have, the longer it takes to get to the front lines. Who wants to travel 40 jumps every night to get to the battle? If BoB ever 'took' all of Eve, Molle would make a big "We win Eve" post, BoB would immediately withdraw to Delve, ignore everyone else and do their best to annoy everyone in existence for 2 or 3 months, until everyone was mad at them again and then Molle would post something like, "You guys ready? We're gonna take over Eve again. Here we come." Note: I'm a BoB 'pet'. I don't pretend to speak for BoB. But I bet I'm pretty close. (If you're not a PvPer, you might disagree with me. That's OK, I'm not talking to you.)
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Esau Cairn I think people who believe that BoB want to control all of Eve are touched in the head. Included in that group are some of your BoB overlords.
eLLioTT wave Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.07 07:27:00 - [52] Hasn't anyone seen Star Wars??? If bob & friends win then they will be the imperials ruling the galaxy. Then there will be a need (and therefore it will happen) for a great rebellion. Either way its fun for all.
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 11:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry I would say the total opposite. I fully expect BoB to "win" this war at which point loads of people will just say "meh **** it" and go play something else because if/when bob win the only options are quit or join bob/become a pet or a pointless gank-a-corp it seems. Having said that I would say a good proportion of my friends in-game have already quit or are winding down the amount they play massively, and I would be surprised if the same were not true of a grat many people. This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurous system caps, metagaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals. I think you're missing the point..... Eve will always have war - and history repeats itself, so lets look a little way into the past.... BoB are fighting ASCN - ASCN (as the history books tell us) lost pretty comprehensively - took about a month. But ASCN employees (or whatever you want to call them) went somewhere, taking what remained of the ascn fleet, the bpo's, the skill points and all that other stuff with them. The fact that BoB beat them doesn't automatically mean they will either align with BoB or quit Eve. Sure some of them may have aligned with BoB, and joined up, some may have quit Eve, but I know for a fact that some joined the coalition - point is, they are still there, the Phoenix has risen from the ashes in a sense. So it really doesn't matter (in the long term, I'm talking about here) who wins this war - the characters, skillpoints, resources (apart fromt the resources that got blown up ofc) will endure - if BoB gets beaten, another BoBlike entity will emerge eventually, if the coalition gets beaten, same applies. This war has already lasted longer than the ASCN one, and regardless of what you think about the "baby titan/empty POS" scenario, the fact remains that one of BoB's core home systems was sieged - BoB are finally getting a serious challenge, and to be fair for the most part they seem to be loving it. The main downside for this war is the same as most wars (irl ones too) which is that wars are 99% boredom and 1% helter-skelter madness - it just takes a bit of self discipline to maintain that more-or-less constant state of readiness - but dude, seriously tell your buddies who quit not to be so lame - pick a staging point, drop off a fleet ship there, and a jump clone, then go back to doing whatever you want - you can be on the other side of the universe, and still join in gangs within a second or two......War has never been so easy!! I've rambled off at a bit of a tangent, so I'll shut the fsck up now!!
Serenity Steele Last Orders Please Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.07 13:52:00 - [54] Originally by: probablecause Serenity, How often is that data updated? Is there any chance it could be graphed over time? I update it approx every 2 days for the outpost ownership, sovereign systems and alliance member count. New outposts built I check once a week. There are dates on the front page of the site that show how recent the data is. On graphing it over time - I have the data, but haven't had time to program a graph yet, it will come towards the end of the month. First I want to release the multilingual version of the site and ofc. the book. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank

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