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Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 03/04/2007 01:17:12 Are BoB or The Coalition winning? "One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions." - Admiral Grace Hopper Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Capt Jack5parrow Aliastra	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Capt Jack5parrow on 03/04/2007 01:18:59 50/50 but according to your outpost tracker you're clearly losing
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Capt Jack5parrow 50/50 but according to your outpost tracker you're clearly losing Which alliance I am supposed to be in exactly Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Chrisb6122 Gallente Old Time Researcher Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Chrisb6122 on 03/04/2007 01:21:10 I think CCP, and as a collective game is winning Since dispite the outcome on this conflict new people will be drawn in by what members of the community are managing to achieve in a game of this scale. Taking a step back and look in from the outside this conflict is a good thing for all of the community, PVP'ers get to 'pew' 'pew' "carebears" get to make bigger profits trading more. Edit, People will enjoy this conflict more if they particpate and newer players aren't directed to this section of the forum I think anyway - Inactive, Now stop starting convo's with me when I'm only online to change skills!
Capt Jack5parrow Aliastra	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: Capt Jack5parrow 50/50 but according to your outpost tracker you're clearly losing Which alliance I am supposed to be in exactly no doubt a question you ask yourself everyday you login i kid, i kid
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Serenity Steele Edited by: Serenity Steele on 03/04/2007 01:17:12 Are BoB or The Coalition winning? "One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions." - Admiral Grace Hopper That is a list of outposts? since I have not written down last weeks number the list dont give me the answer. you'll never jump alone Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 03/04/2007 01:31:30 Originally by: Xthril Ranger That is a list of outposts? since I have not written down last weeks number the list dont give me the answer. Shame you hadn't subscribed to the newsletter .. TBF, the history is in the database, I just haven't had time to code up some display pages. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Darth Maule Pitch Black Incorporated	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:41:00 - [8] She either iac or ra alt
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Darth Maule She either iac or ra alt your so wrong but you are gonna find out Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:45:00 - [10] iac obviously http://eve.klaki.net/
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:58:00 - [11] Well I would require some magazines, a quiet room and a yardstick to get an accurate measurement. Do I win?
Capt Jack5parrow Aliastra	Posted - 2007.04.03 02:00:00 - [12] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.03 02:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk iac obviously lol .. not even if the RAM SAN froze over. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.03 02:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/04/2007 02:40:22 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk iac obviously Obviously that was a joke, but the irony of that statement is just tremendous GJ Tyrrax for making me cough up my soda --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 02:56:00 - [15] Bump for a good business(wo)man. Alas, ISS... ps. When we can walk in stations, will Serenity go on a date with me? I get weak in the knees for objectivists...
Sargonius Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.03 03:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Darth Maule She either iac or ra alt Wrong side <3 Outpost alert! Exploits s bad but true
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.03 05:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Darth Maule She either iac or ra alt QFT -------------------------------------------------
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.03 05:29:00 - [18] Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/04/2007 05:33:03 Seem to remember Serenity Steele has or had something to do with ISS. But well, maybe I mix things up. edit ok, it's true ... and the iac comments should have been prove enough. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Torm Ilmater No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.04.03 05:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Chrisb6122 Edited by: Chrisb6122 on 03/04/2007 01:21:10 I think CCP, and as a collective game is winning Since dispite the outcome on this conflict new people will be drawn in by what members of the community are managing to achieve in a game of this scale. Taking a step back and look in from the outside this conflict is a good thing for all of the community, PVP'ers get to 'pew' 'pew' "carebears" get to make bigger profits trading more. Edit, People will enjoy this conflict more if they particpate and newer players aren't directed to this section of the forum I think anyway Yeah surely more players will be drawn in by reports of "2000 players duke it out with lag in X0XX-O and lag prevails!" Makes me want to sub another 10 accounts.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 05:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Serenity Steele Are BoB or The Coalition winning? So what timeframe holds the holy grail or are we supposed to be counting up each side?
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.04.03 06:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Fred0 So what timeframe holds the holy grail or are we supposed to be counting up each side? Good question! I guess no-ones talking about who 'won' yet, so winning is just relative. Since last year BoB have about doubled in outposts. RAGOONIACS have been growing at about the same rate - mostly of it this year with taking over LV. The north (D2, Razor + Friends) have been basically static for the last 3 months. The thing I find most striking is that no-one other than BoB has such a large amount of Sov compared to their outposts. Makes me think 'The Coalition' control outposts and space, but haven't got their resource utilisation of moons into high gear yet. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - System Sovereignty - Alliance Rank
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.03 07:36:00 - [22] Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/04/2007 07:34:35 One thing that helps the coalition is maybe that the anti-ragoon forces in the southeast are a too scattered and unorganized and that almost noone is interested in another pos war currently, because it's costly and no fun. Some of the newly conquered territories of Redswarm and friends are extremely open for attacks. If the anti-ragoon forces in the area united and followed a plan, the train against BoB might slow down even faster, because the eastern coalition forces would be occupied at home. But like I said, most people are happy that they are away from that pos crap in the southeast and the forces are scattered, while territorial warfare is about blobs. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Serenity Steele The thing I find most striking is that no-one other than BoB has such a large amount of Sov compared to their outposts. Makes me think 'The Coalition' control outposts and space, but haven't got their resource utilisation of moons into high gear yet. I dunno if your conclusion is actually correct but it is quite interesting. Bob seems to have 4.2 systems under sov per outpost system (112/26). RZR has 5.8. D2 3.8. RAWR over 6. Count up the top 8 or so coalition territorial holders and we're looking at a infra-structure twice the size of BOB. Or maybe I just misunderstood you. But if your point is that we are still facing a huge infrastructure we need to beat down I think you are correct.
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:17:00 - [24] Edited by: DeckardIRL on 03/04/2007 09:14:02 Originally by: Darth Maule She either iac or ra alt Not knowing who Serenity Steele is, should disqualify you from posting in this Forum. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk iac obviously Now that was funny. LV was surrounded and thus being overrun was inevitable. BoB can only be hit from certain directions and thus can prepare accordingly. Aside from the loss of the LV territory the map has remained basically the same, for the minute. Outpost count therefore has to be considered a good measure of progress. I would consider having a war page count showing count history for the last year, 6 months, 3 months, month, current. That way you can watch the trends. Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:21:00 - [25] Wasn't the Serenity Steele character sold recently? Or if not, actively for sale now.. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Chrisb6122 Edited by: Chrisb6122 on 03/04/2007 01:21:10 I think CCP, and as a collective game is winning Since dispite the outcome on this conflict new people will be drawn in by what members of the community are managing to achieve in a game of this scale. Taking a step back and look in from the outside this conflict is a good thing for all of the community, PVP'ers get to 'pew' 'pew' "carebears" get to make bigger profits trading more. Edit, People will enjoy this conflict more if they particpate and newer players aren't directed to this section of the forum I think anyway I would say the total opposite. I fully expect BoB to "win" this war at which point loads of people will just say "meh **** it" and go play something else because if/when bob win the only options are quit or join bob/become a pet or a pointless gank-a-corp it seems. Having said that I would say a good proportion of my friends in-game have already quit or are winding down the amount they play massively, and I would be surprised if the same were not true of a grat many people. This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurous system caps, metagaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals.
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurious system caps, meta gaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals. How this war ends is already certain. Think of the Great War and you might get the idea, because it will be the 2nd Eve War that really decides what happens. Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:11:00 - [28] Originally by: DeckardIRL Originally by: Fitz Chivalry This war is not good for eve at all as it just shows the futility of trying to have large fleet battles (lag, spurious system caps, meta gaming, cheating, spying and other lameness) and the ridiculousness of super capitals. How this war ends is already certain. Think of the Great War and you might get the idea, because it will be the 2nd Eve War that really decides what happens. Deck Oooh, an analogy...so inaccurate, but so much fun...So...the Central Powers (Coalition) are defeated by the Allies (Allies)...but then, after the merciless peace terms enforced on the conquered regions, one of them (Goons ) rises from the ashes embittered and even more powerful than before, under the leadership of a charismatic madman (Dark Shikari ) and unleashes a war of untold aggression on their would-be conquerors, who are rescued only by the intervention of a heretofore insignificant third party (The Curry Alliance ) which at war's end emerges the strongest, richest, and most prosperous power in the world, locked in a stalemate with a monolithic eastern alliance (RA ) forever. Sounds fun!
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Morris Falter Wasn't the Serenity Steele character sold recently? Or if not, actively for sale now.. That's odd. I heard the same thing about the Evil Thug character... . . . Regards, August
dan drorgar Minmatar principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Chrisb6122 I think CCP, and as a collective game is winning Since dispite the outcome on this conflict new people will be drawn in by what members of the community are managing to achieve in a game of this scale. On the contrary. New players may be attracted by what the media spin describes as large fleet battles, but as in reality every single of those battles is dominated by severe lag, leaving hundreds of veterans frustrated and disappointed, the game and CCP are losing. PROMO Director of Not Speaking For My Alliance.

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