When people try that "CCP better do something because Star Citizen" , I don't go into as much detail as you did. I just retype the list of games people on these forums proclaimed would be the end of EVE if CCP didn't do something because "competition is coming":

Earth and Beyond (the original cry was "CCP better hurry up, Earth and Beyond is already out!!!!)

Jumpgate

Black Prophecy

No less than two games with the words "Star" and "Wars" in them.

Star (that damn word again) Trek Online

No Man's Sky

Elite: Dangerous


And yet Gee Golly, EVE is still here and almost half the games on the list of "sure to kill EVE" are themselves dead or declining... Several include both "walking around stuff" and "having stuff to do (content)". And yet EVE, that damn game of nothing but space ships, little real "content", griefers and spreadsheets is still around... WTF mate?

I understand why EVE has a loyal community with players who have been playing it for more than 10 years. EVE is indeed a fantastic and complex game. I dont think STAR CITZEN will be the EVE killer. But I think once STAR CITZEN is released, NEW players will no longer be interested in testing EVE. The game will be suported only by the old players. That is why CCP needs to start investing more in immersion. To attract new players. And I'm sure CCP has a lot of interest in attracting new players, this new free-to-play model is the proof.

Also it may have escaped you, but people can actually play multiple games. It's not like they exclude each other or something.

(...)But of course. What do i know? Right? (...)

Capsuleers would have to have a good reason to leave their capsules.

The problem with WiS is that it would be a completely different game. It would be something like a Star Wars Galaxies kind of thing (which I wouldn't mind), but it wouldn't be Spaceships & Spreadsheets.

Do I want avatar game play? Yes. Is it worth building in Eve? No.

i disagree, Avatar gameplay could have a lot of uses in eve. but ti needs ot be done right, and not ****

Capsuleers would have to have a good reason to leave their capsules.

The problem with WiS is that it would be a completely different game. It would be something like a Star Wars Galaxies kind of thing (which I wouldn't mind), but it wouldn't be Spaceships & Spreadsheets.

Do I want avatar game play? Yes. Is it worth building in Eve? No.

I found the essential bit of the insane rambling. The part where you admitted that you don't know anything, and thus we can disregard the rest of your illogical, unintelligable, incoherent ramble.

I was a big fan of Wing Commander and foremost WC Privateer which was one of the best games I ever played. This game was the reason I started EVE. It was what started the dreams years before EVE even existed when we asked ourselves "what if this game had multiplayer? The possibilities would be endless."

Also it may have escaped you, but people can actually play multiple games. It's not like they exclude each other or something.

Games like ELITE or Wing Commander are games of the past. I suspect that most people who knew these are already not new in gaming and tried EvE at some point.

The thing with 'new players' are that most of them are from younger generation. And i think most of them never played old spaceship games and do not have 'the dreams'. They are used to different kind of gaming.

I talked about SC and not about new players in EVE and what they expect. EVE was never a game for everyone, not 13 years ago and not now. So why is suddenly everyone comparing to mainstream titles and wants to make it bland like the rest?

What I talked about are the people who hype and found SC and they are in fact perople who experienced WC and all those old games. They are people between 30-50 with a lot of money and not a lot of time. You don't get 200mil from a bunch of kids without job.

I talked about SC and not about new players in EVE and what they expect. EVE was never a game for everyone, not 13 years ago and not now. So why is suddenly everyone comparing to mainstream titles and wants to make it bland like the rest?

What I talked about are the people who hype and found SC and they are in fact perople who experienced WC and all those old games. They are people between 30-50 with a lot of money and not a lot of time. You don't get 200mil from a bunch of kids without job.

And another one! It's cute, though. What the fanboys cling on to with an actual affection. Muffin...

I think the big difference is this: We're critical, analyse proposals and evaluate them on their merits and the dev.s prior shown abilities. We're not fanboys, rather the opposite.
I didn't expect someone with your intellect to be able to grasp the finer points, though. That you know close to nothing about EVE, its history, its players, or even the general trends of the MMO game world, has been made painfully obvious. You replacea real argument with "cute" and "fanboy". That might work (Though I doubt it) in other games, and not at all on the EVE forums.

There is no argument. Because every time a fanboy or fanboy(s) are faced with nothing but logic distilled down to zero, they come up with random diarrhea to justify the garbage state of the product and/or company they defend with a personal affection. But I thoroughly enjoy it.

So this is a response to yourself? If it's an attempt to respond to why people are against WiS, it's incoherent.
You are either using a completely different definition of fanboys than everyone else, or you're mistaken.

Protip: Calling some of the people who most vocally attacked both the company and the product for 'fanboys' will get you first puzzled looks, then get you discredited. Whatever education you got with Carl Sagan, it should have prepared you to take a hard look at the evidence and evaluate that. I don't think you got an education with Carl Sagan - maybe you watched some of his videos on YouTube?

And CCP can't do it. They've proven that. Which leads me to this question that i'd really like an answer for:

How many times does CCP have to prove they can't do it before people just let it go? Like you said, it wasn't 18 months, it was 5 years, and MOST of the Jesus features they promised (member Atmospheric Flight, I member) never ever happen. how many more half decades do we want them to waste before trowing in the WiS towel?

Heck, at this point I'm starting to think the "player owned stargates" are going that way, when was the last time we heard of those?

So yea, how many times?

Please, dont bring Star Citizen here. That thing is one of the reasons the gaming industry is falling apart. Too many idiots paying for vaporware ends up with horrible broken games or even games that never see the light of the day.


Star Citizen is the greatest scam in the gaming industry. More than 100 million dollars for a vaporware. It created a cult of idiots.