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welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:34:00 - [91] Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/04/2007 17:33:13 Originally by: DeckardIRL ... the biggest difference between us and the Co-alition is that when this is over we will all stay blue to each other while you all will reset standings. Deckard That doesn't sound like a promising future for the game tbh. Perhaps this is partly why derogatory terms are levelled at you. Blue sucks and BoB know it. You'll get no 'respect' until you stand on your own.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:42:00 - [92] Edited by: Taurequis on 04/04/2007 17:48:18 Originally by: batloard i would catagorize pets as the ones who pay bob to live in their space and mine, or have some sort of agreement that fattens bobs wallet, then theres the other category of their allies which include MC fix and xelas who dont pay rent Hi, The thing that always confused me was the Bob "Saving" FIX incidents when they were loosing all their stations and pushed back to empire. These "true allies" of Bob had all their stations taken away from them, leaving bob to net all the income from office rents, factories, clones etc & now have Bob dictating which extra corps can come live and work in their (FIX) space. Surely true "friendship" or "allies" would have just chipped in to save FIX, and then left them to control their own region. Not impose what effectively looks like "pet" status on FIX to all outsiders. On one hand Bob leadership praises FIX for being stalwart allies and friends, but on the other side strips them from their base rights to have their mark on the map and control their own space (i.e. makes them take it up the bum). Now, please, anyone tell me now why Bob needed to keep control of all of their dear friends FIXÆs stations after saved them from being pushed permanently back to empire? Best Regards, Taurequis
Tod Klemp Gallente K-Street Project	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:16:00 - [93] Originally by: Kozak For me this is stictly a discussion of the difference between Ally and Pet. We have allies. Our enemies have allies. But certain entities call some of their supposed allies Pets. Here's the definition: "pet n. An animal kept for amusement or companionship." If my allies called me a Pet, they wouldn't be my ally for long. The reason this discussion is going on is that these allies that BoB calls Pets, still think they are anything more then Pets. If you care, get a clarification from your masters. If you don't, then stop saying you aren't. Wait, so how many of the complexes in 'their' space do IAC get to run?
Tod Klemp Gallente K-Street Project	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Taurequis Now, please, anyone tell me now why Bob needed to keep control of all of their dear friends FIXÆs stations after saved them from being pushed permanently back to empire? Maybe you should check who owns the stations first?
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:23:00 - [95] Originally by: Tod Klemp Originally by: Taurequis Now, please, anyone tell me now why Bob needed to keep control of all of their dear friends FIXÆs stations after saved them from being pushed permanently back to empire? Maybe you should check who owns the stations first? 2 owned by Bob, 1 now owned by Gunboat Diplomacy (don't know thier relationship to FIX but it an't FIX) and 1 owned by FIX they put up ages after the war I menioned. Whats your point? Taur
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:46:00 - [96] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/04/2007 17:52:05 Originally by: DeckardIRL ... the biggest difference between us and the Co-alition is that when this is over we will all stay blue to each other while you all will reset standings. Deckard That doesn't sound like a promising future for the game tbh. Perhaps this is partly why derogatory terms are levelled at you. Obviously this applies to both sides, I'm not trying to say otherwise, indeed the North have been called The Napfest for the last 12 months or more... Blue sucks. BLUE IS AWESOME :O Blue Flame tbh welsh, i hope you understand, but with all the insults leveled at us over the last year and a bit, I can't see myself ever working with these people, and i'm pretty sure my corporation / alliance would agree when i say that going blue to the likes of Razor or aAa is something we definately dont want to do, as we have a lot of animosity towards them for their 'insulting' name calling...sorta like 5 year olds... God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 19:23:00 - [97] Pet is a demeaning term to all pets. Lackies is far more accurate I would think.
Kai Jyokoroi The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.04 19:41:00 - [98] Originally by: Jaakar Eldaris Perhaps if I posted in ignoramous you would understand, english seems too difficult a language for you. Come up with a respectable rebuttle and get back to me. Or you know, just tell me my opinion is wrong again, either way you look moronic. Oh, that's truly beautiful. That really is. It's made my day. I really love it when someone tries to call someone else ignorant of the English (note the capital letter there, it's a proper noun) language and then spells both "ignoramus" and "rebuttal" incorrectly. Thank you for making me nearly fall off my chair laughing. Sir, I salute you. If I see you in Delve I'll let your pod go. _____________ WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. RESISTANCE IS VOLTAGE OVER CURRENT.
Togakure Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.04 19:57:00 - [99] Originally by: Kozak This is a game, a place where we can all log in and try to be anything we want. The fact is, you pay someone to live in their space. If you stop paying, you will get kicked to the curb. I mean, in a game, where you can cut your own path, you actually choose to be somebody's Pet. People have to bend over and sometimes take it in the real world, but in a video game? Pretty lame in my opinion. But hey, some strive to lead, others are just pawns. Have you stopped to consider people's real life situation dictates their options in game? I love to fight and PVP as much as the next guy but I don't have the time or the desire to spend on all that is required in claiming and holding territory. Taking and holding territory requires alarm-clock ops, POS fueling, hauling, mining for industry, gate camps, and constant attention that frankly, I don't have. Nor do many of my corpmates. I suspect a lot of these alliances and corps critics call pets are simply people who found an arrangement that works best for their playing style and their level of commitment to Eve.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.04 20:49:00 - [100] Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:48:00 Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:46:57 Originally by: Togakure Originally by: Kozak This is a game, a place where we can all log in and try to be anything we want. The fact is, you pay someone to live in their space. If you stop paying, you will get kicked to the curb. I mean, in a game, where you can cut your own path, you actually choose to be somebody's Pet. People have to bend over and sometimes take it in the real world, but in a video game? Pretty lame in my opinion. But hey, some strive to lead, others are just pawns. Have you stopped to consider ..... You can stop right there Togakure. In order for Kozak to grasp anything beyond the end of his nose, he would need to consider why others do what they do. Kozak only sees the world that his blinders don't hide. A world where he freely admits he gets bossed around in. A world where he is a pawn. So he escapes that world in Eve as a replacement for what he cannot find in real life. A place where he can feel important. The rest of us approach the game as just that, a game. We try to get the most fun out of it with our limited time, exactly as you describe. It is tragic that Kozak's life is so bad. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise

Kyguard Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:00:00 - [101] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/04/2007 17:52:05 Originally by: DeckardIRL ... the biggest difference between us and the Co-alition is that when this is over we will all stay blue to each other while you all will reset standings. Deckard That doesn't sound like a promising future for the game tbh. Perhaps this is partly why derogatory terms are levelled at you. Obviously this applies to both sides, I'm not trying to say otherwise, indeed the North have been called The Napfest for the last 12 months or more... Blue sucks. Word. Dunno why people like to play sim city in space. - WeComeInPeace Video
batloard Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:04:00 - [102] Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:48:00 Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:46:57 Originally by: Togakure Originally by: Kozak This is a game, a place where we can all log in and try to be anything we want. The fact is, you pay someone to live in their space. If you stop paying, you will get kicked to the curb. I mean, in a game, where you can cut your own path, you actually choose to be somebody's Pet. People have to bend over and sometimes take it in the real world, but in a video game? Pretty lame in my opinion. But hey, some strive to lead, others are just pawns. Have you stopped to consider ..... You can stop right there Togakure. In order for Kozak to grasp anything beyond the end of his nose, he would need to consider why others do what they do. Kozak only sees the world that his blinders don't hide. A world where he freely admits he gets bossed around in. A world where he is a pawn. So he escapes that world in Eve as a replacement for what he cannot find in real life. A place where he can feel important. The rest of us approach the game as just that, a game. We try to get the most fun out of it with our limited time, exactly as you describe. It is tragic that Kozak's life is so bad. lol just lol bymmm, do you not have anything else to say than to drag in real life? your pathetic tbh. I have a boss and he yells at me does that make me a pwawn? get real.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:20:00 - [103] According to your corp mates, you are his pet. Fetch him some coffee. 8) Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:23:00 - [104] Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:48:00 Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:46:57 Originally by: Togakure Originally by: Kozak This is a game, a place where we can all log in and try to be anything we want. The fact is, you pay someone to live in their space. If you stop paying, you will get kicked to the curb. I mean, in a game, where you can cut your own path, you actually choose to be somebody's Pet. People have to bend over and sometimes take it in the real world, but in a video game? Pretty lame in my opinion. But hey, some strive to lead, others are just pawns. Have you stopped to consider ..... You can stop right there Togakure. In order for Kozak to grasp anything beyond the end of his nose, he would need to consider why others do what they do. Kozak only sees the world that his blinders don't hide. A world where he freely admits he gets bossed around in. A world where he is a pawn. So he escapes that world in Eve as a replacement for what he cannot find in real life. A place where he can feel important. The rest of us approach the game as just that, a game. We try to get the most fun out of it with our limited time, exactly as you describe. It is tragic that Kozak's life is so bad. Dude, you gotta be really hurt by what I say to attack my out of game persona so harshly. I'd appreciate if you kept the insults in character.
Weatherman Gallente Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:23:00 - [105] it's a shame, the way this thread started out I thought there might actually be some honest discussion on CAOD. Before I leave you to your smack, I just want to point out that the coalition's tactic of trying to rile up bob's allies by calling them pets and slaves etc has almost no chance of working. No more than someone would quit their job because someone called them a corporate slave. I'm sure the more intelligent members of the coalition can see that, so I'm convinced that most of the people on here are just venting because they're bitter and frustrated. In light of that, there's no reason to argue with you because it'll just be providing substance to the "pet" strawman you're trying to pound on. You're probably better off just getting a stress ball to squeeze on tho...
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:26:00 - [106] Originally by: Baymm According to your corp mates, you are his pet. Fetch him some coffee. 8) I've never said that, but if you insist, I can dig up the chat logs between my ex CEO and the "Pet Master" as SirMolle called him. As I said, I'm just repeating what was said. And stop attacking people out of game, I believe that's not allowed on this forum.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:41:00 - [107] Attacking him out of game? I see. So when you say a person lacks pride in game, that isn't attacking the person. When you say a person lacks pride out of game, that is attacking the person? Really, the contortions you will go through just so you can take a shot at someone is quite amazing. How about you stop wondering why anyone does anything and mind your own business? I will do the same. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:46:00 - [108] Originally by: Kozak Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:48:00 Edited by: Baymm on 04/04/2007 20:46:57 Originally by: Togakure Originally by: Kozak This is a game, a place where we can all log in and try to be anything we want. The fact is, you pay someone to live in their space. If you stop paying, you will get kicked to the curb. I mean, in a game, where you can cut your own path, you actually choose to be somebody's Pet. People have to bend over and sometimes take it in the real world, but in a video game? Pretty lame in my opinion. But hey, some strive to lead, others are just pawns. Have you stopped to consider ..... You can stop right there Togakure. In order for Kozak to grasp anything beyond the end of his nose, he would need to consider why others do what they do. Kozak only sees the world that his blinders don't hide. A world where he freely admits he gets bossed around in. A world where he is a pawn. So he escapes that world in Eve as a replacement for what he cannot find in real life. A place where he can feel important. The rest of us approach the game as just that, a game. We try to get the most fun out of it with our limited time, exactly as you describe. It is tragic that Kozak's life is so bad. Dude, you gotta be really hurt by what I say to attack my out of game persona so harshly. I'd appreciate if you kept the insults in character. OMG a rolleplyr, gtfo kthx!!11111 No, seriously, nice as it would be to have the CAOD IC only, it just isn't so -----
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.04 21:52:00 - [109] Let the coalition call them what they want. It'll sting more when they lose. ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Xune Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.04 22:20:00 - [110] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Baymm I must confess, I am "pretty unaware". I had no idea that others calling you a pet in real life was so harmful to your ego, that you had to resort to such conduct in a video game to regain your lost pride. You know, "pet" would actually make a pretty insult in real life. I think it requires some in the field testing. From a ooc and completly away of game sight, no not even close. Im proud to be a pet, and i dont mean Bob Mc or anyone else. Whats wrong with being a pet ? yes, you obey. At least most of the time, if you have a kitten you know what i mean. You are loved and cared for in return. Actualy being a pet sounds pretty nice to me. Xune, which once more repeats her sights are ooc, and not related to any political situation in eve.

James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.04 22:45:00 - [111] Originally by: Xune Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Baymm I must confess, I am "pretty unaware". I had no idea that others calling you a pet in real life was so harmful to your ego, that you had to resort to such conduct in a video game to regain your lost pride. You know, "pet" would actually make a pretty insult in real life. I think it requires some in the field testing. From a ooc and completly away of game sight, no not even close. Im proud to be a pet, and i dont mean Bob Mc or anyone else. Whats wrong with being a pet ? yes, you obey. At least most of the time, if you have a kitten you know what i mean. You are loved and cared for in return. Actualy being a pet sounds pretty nice to me. Xune, which once more repeats her sights are ooc, and not related to any political situation in eve. A pet in RL is a guy that lets his gf/wife boss him around, ie making him do the dishes, cook her food, go to the convenience store in the middle of the night, wash the toilet etc. -----
axels2000 Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:14:00 - [112] Originally by: Kozak As I said, I'm just repeating what was said. And stop attacking people out of game, I believe that's not allowed on this forum. Kozak brought hate into the game (and forums). Now he goes down with it. Nobody really cares about his RL. In the game he is known as a character without character. We know decent and honorable adversaries. He is not one of them. When Kozak shows on the radar I hear ppl laughing and getting ready for local chit-chat. RABBLE RABBLE. He is trying to cope with the situation by saying things like: "keep telling it to yourself" or "go read what I said", or some other reflective sentences with zero content. Kozak, you are a pet of many players in this game. Be proud.
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.05 01:19:00 - [113] People seem to think being a "pet" is so bad. They seem to think it really makes us feel weak and stupid. They think the only reason we still survive is because of our "masters" protecting us all the time. Bob help us out. We have no qualms about admitting that Bob's capital fleet has stopped us losing our home system a few times. People can flame us for that all they want but when it comes to it - We don't care. We have an entire region to ourselves with almost unlimited access, and we can defend it against conventional attack 24/7 (when the coalition actually decide to fight rather than auto jumping to empire as soon as local rises by 5). We like it where we are. We like our alliance mates, and we like Bob, our allies. People don't think of the long term benefits for Bob AND their "pets" in this. While Bob aid us with their capital fleet and help us keep our space, it gives us a chance to build up so that we can return the favour some day. Contrary to popular belief, alliances like FIX and Xelas have become SO much stronger than they were at the start of this war. When the whole bandwagon thing started, we'd been fighting Iron for 6 weeks and quite frankly we were being owned because they'd only engage when they knew they could win, and we'd just engage simply to have a fight. And lose, because we were outnumbered. When Razor/MM/Tri/Pure and whoever else arrived, it looked bleak. We were struggling to get 40 people in gangs with about 10 battleships. Now, 2 months on, we're getting regular 120 fleet ops with alot of BS and Commandship/HAC support. From what I've heard about Xelas, they're much the same. Bob have sustained absolutely no damage in this war so far, they've lost a few dreads and carriers, who cares. The bandwagon are failing miserably right now. Instead of weakning Bob's "pets" to get a direct shot at Bob, they've made those "pets" much more resilient and much stronger than they were 2 months ago. This is due to those "pets" gaining much more confidence and experience, and realising that we just can't be bothered taking any crap anymore. MC are on free reign and wreaking havoc allover the galaxy right now, Fix and Xelas are sitting having a few beers in fountain and querious literally uncontested right now and Bob are lapping up the pleasure of wiping out an insane amount of Coalition capital ships. We're damn proud to be close allies with Bob. They've saved our asses before and we'll fight to the death to defend them this time because i'd rather be a pet of bob and viewed as a pet by the whole of Eve than work alongside the coalition just for some E-Glory. Bob are a bunch of fine people to fly with and learn from and even IF we somehow lose all our territory and end up mining veldspar in Empire, I would never look back and regret alligning myself with Bob. Chirinako Firmus Ixion Proud "pet".
Ovale KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.05 03:57:00 - [114] Well put Chirinako.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:02:00 - [115] Originally by: axels2000 Originally by: Kozak As I said, I'm just repeating what was said. And stop attacking people out of game, I believe that's not allowed on this forum. Kozak brought hate into the game (and forums). Now he goes down with it. Nobody really cares about his RL. In the game he is known as a character without character. We know decent and honorable adversaries. He is not one of them. When Kozak shows on the radar I hear ppl laughing and getting ready for local chit-chat. RABBLE RABBLE. He is trying to cope with the situation by saying things like: "keep telling it to yourself" or "go read what I said", or some other reflective sentences with zero content. Kozak, you are a pet of many players in this game. Be proud. Haha, you sound like you are preaching. I know this though, I don't pay anyone to live in the station I reside in, and my station is not named "Pet Shop".
Tisanta Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:05:00 - [116] No worries folks, I have the Marque Kleenex II BPO so i can sooth my dear dear Kozak as he comes to his sad realization of what is life........... Huggles Kozak I mean really ppl and take a chill-booster.
Jaakar Eldaris Caldari Deep Space Consortium Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.05 04:34:00 - [117] Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi Oh, that's truly beautiful. That really is. It's made my day. I really love it when someone tries to call someone else ignorant of the English (note the capital letter there, it's a proper noun) language and then spells both "ignoramus" and "rebuttal" incorrectly. Thank you for making me nearly fall off my chair laughing. Sir, I salute you. If I see you in Delve I'll let your pod go. Last I checked I hadn't entered any spelling bee. I only joked that maybe I should try something apart from english for effect, it wasn't a literal statement. Take a joke homie. I'm also dreadfully sorry that I can't spell two words that I've used all of 4 times in my life. Please forgive my complete and utter ignorance. We can sit here all day and play find the spelling error. OR You can make a f**kin point, and maybe try to address mine this time. If you're going to quote a portion of my post, at least make an attempt to constructively comment on it. The spelling errors in my post do not negate its point. For the love of god say something interesting next time. Use those wits you've so clearly displayed here and come up with an actual counter-point to what I've said previously. The mindless "Haha, you're stupid." replies are getting super old. So we know you've got brains now (some). Fricking use them.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:08:00 - [118] Originally by: Weka Dart There are 3 types of people who rent BOB space: 1) The casual player, who neither knows nor cares what is happening politically and probably never reads the forums.Who just plays eve for a bit of mmo gameplay and possibly to chat / rat with rl friends. 2) The clever player, will be a few ceo's / directors, sometimes alts, who will make a fortune from the prolific opportunities present in 0.0 and the general type of player under them who in the main will be sheeplike and prefer to play it safe than follow the path of the warrior. 3) The morons - If you're reading this and you're on BOB's side and are not a rich ceo,or a BOB alt then that's you. You're the guy who used to play unreal tournament and find a lofty snipe spot and sit there for 4 days screaming 'headshot, mofo headshot' every 35 seconds. Yes, we're all morons and sheep because we don't explode into wall-punching temper tantrums when someone calls us a nasty name. Oh no, the nasty alt called me a name, my only possible recourse is to leave my advantageous and enjoyable position in 0.0 lest he should think less of me. This attitude towards games is counterproductive. More importantly, it's just stupid. People working together to promote a mutual interest will always enjoy a more profitable existence, which in EVE translates to more toys to throw into insane/fun PVP situations. But really, don't we 'teamwork' people all lose in the end, since our conduct in a video game correlates exactly with our real lives? PS - Path of the warrior? Are you serious?
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:20:00 - [119] It must be really frustrating trying to crush a military super power like BoB, only to be stopped by the ones being referred to as "pets", maybe the question to be asked is where all this anger is coming from? *Takes a seat with her notepad and pencil
Psy'Zo Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:38:00 - [120] Originally by: Proxay we have a lot of animosity towards them for their 'insulting' name calling...sorta like 5 year olds... Damn you're right, that is pretty immature. Animosity in response to name calling! Sticks and stones



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