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Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:05:30 - [1] - Quote Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature".
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1444	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:07:10 - [2] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13175	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:18:01 - [3] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? While you're at it, try and remember that there are no corvettes in this game. This is not Wing Commander. There are no Kilrathi or Mark Hamill here Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Tarkanon Falsarth Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:18:07 - [4] - Quote came in looking for a minmatar ship thread, left disappointed...
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1261	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:19:28 - [5] - Quote Nothing requires you to use features you find annoying. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:22:13 - [6] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? A rookie ship is worth 0 ISK. It can, and often is trashed after arrival at destination. Which was in this case the pickup of another vessel. However, a momentary lapse in concentration meant that the fittings I was transporting for the new-to-be fitted ship were also trashed along with it. I am not blaming CCP for my own error. I'm blaming CCP for CCP's error. which was to quote the estimate price of the vessel to be trashed as 0 ISK. When that price should have included the cargo it was carrying. I confirmed my intention to trash the ship. I didn't state that I wanted to trash the cargo it was carrying. Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood.
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:25:11 - [7] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Nothing requires you to use features you find annoying. You misunderstand. The function is useful. The "feature" is annoying. The option to trash ship is used and wanted. The mechanic whereby cargo contained in said ship is also trashed (instead of being transferred to the item bay) is annoying an unwanted. Also, please consider that if you can't be bothered fixing things which I and other user find annoying. Then you should be prepared to read a lot of replies from said annoyed people.
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:26:12 - [8] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: While you're at it, try and remember that there are no corvettes in this game. This is not Wing Commander. There are no Kilrathi or Mark Hamill here You obviously haven't logged in since the new expansion. Rookie ships are now classed as corvettes.
Engage You Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 16	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:31:38 - [9] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? A rookie ship is worth 0 ISK. It can, and often is trashed after arrival at destination. Which was in this case the pickup of another vessel. However, a momentary lapse in concentration meant that the fittings I was transporting for the new-to-be fitted ship were also trashed along with it. I am not blaming CCP for my own error. I'm blaming CCP for CCP's error. which was to quote the estimate price of the vessel to be trashed as 0 ISK. When that price should have included the cargo it was carrying. I confirmed my intention to trash the ship. I didn't state that I wanted to trash the cargo it was carrying. Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. I think you just weren't clear in your op so people is giving you a hard time. tldr: op wants tooltip to show price of ship including the items in the cargo hold
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2464	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:31:40 - [10] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Bumblefck wrote: While you're at it, try and remember that there are no corvettes in this game. This is not Wing Commander. There are no Kilrathi or Mark Hamill here You obviously haven't logged in since the new expansion. Rookie ships are now classed as corvettes. He needs a new pair of glasses... When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19253	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:32:38 - [11] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? While you're at it, try and remember that there are no corvettes in this game. This is not Wing Commander. There are no Kilrathi or Mark Hamill here Actually bumble, you might want to check that. The New Npe calls rookie ships Corvettes explicitly and repeatedly, Also one of the lads mentioned that they're called this somewhere else in the client too. We now have a new tell on someone's age We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Valkyrie Harkonnen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:35:17 - [12] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. This is a very annoying "feature". Why doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. Thats why you should revove those black glasses before playing!!! Start your EVE Online experience with 250.000 extra skill points!
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2741	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:38:19 - [13] - Quote I accidentally threw away a box full of things I wanted and for some reason, the garbage men didn't realize that I had only wanted to throw away the box, and not the contents. Can you believe those guys? "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1445	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:39:42 - [14] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. You do remember what game this is, right? No one gives two flea infested rat sphincters about your "mood", princess. Take an aspirin and get over it. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:40:45 - [15] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. This is a very annoying "feature". Why doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. Agreed. They should either include the value of items in cargo and/or automatically put cargo in station storage. Obvious design flaw the way it is now.
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1445	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:40:45 - [16] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? While you're at it, try and remember that there are no corvettes in this game. This is not Wing Commander. There are no Kilrathi or Mark Hamill here Actually bumble, you might want to check that. The New Npe calls rookie ships Corvettes explicitly and repeatedly, Also one of the lads mentioned that they're called this somewhere else in the client too. We now have a new tell on someone's age I always thought they were called cyno ships. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1445	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:43:32 - [17] - Quote Engage You wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? A rookie ship is worth 0 ISK. It can, and often is trashed after arrival at destination. Which was in this case the pickup of another vessel. However, a momentary lapse in concentration meant that the fittings I was transporting for the new-to-be fitted ship were also trashed along with it. I am not blaming CCP for my own error. I'm blaming CCP for CCP's error. which was to quote the estimate price of the vessel to be trashed as 0 ISK. When that price should have included the cargo it was carrying. I confirmed my intention to trash the ship. I didn't state that I wanted to trash the cargo it was carrying. Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. I think you just weren't clear in your op so people is giving you a hard time. tldr: op wants tooltip to show price of ship including the items in the cargo hold No, I was perfectly clear on what he wanted. I just don't ******* care. OP literally went somewhere, bought fittings for a ship, flew back, and trashed the ship he flew to buy the fittings before removing them from the cargo hold. The ship he literally used as the shopping cart. That's just carelessness and I honestly have no interest in protecting people from their own stupidity. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 784	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:45:37 - [18] - Quote Right now if you try to repackage a ship with cargo inside, it get's flushed to the inventory. Maybe they should do that with trash the option, or at least a warning message (an additional one, not the "are you absolutely sure you want to do this").
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10943	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:45:55 - [19] - Quote Remember kids; Repackage anything and everything before you do anything with it. Even if you are going to trash something. Repackaging will make sure that all the juicy loot and stuff in any ship you are about to get rid of will be squeezed out. Also... yeah... this is kind of your own fault OP. Heh... I once lost an Atron-class frigate filled with VERY valuable loot. I had used it the previous day, blew up some people, docked, logged off and went to bed. The next day, I forgot to empty out the cargohold and instead undocked and went Leeroying around the area. Predictably, I died and lost everything. Oops. >_> Live and learn. How did you Veterans start?
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:47:42 - [20] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Engage You wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? A rookie ship is worth 0 ISK. It can, and often is trashed after arrival at destination. Which was in this case the pickup of another vessel. However, a momentary lapse in concentration meant that the fittings I was transporting for the new-to-be fitted ship were also trashed along with it. I am not blaming CCP for my own error. I'm blaming CCP for CCP's error. which was to quote the estimate price of the vessel to be trashed as 0 ISK. When that price should have included the cargo it was carrying. I confirmed my intention to trash the ship. I didn't state that I wanted to trash the cargo it was carrying. Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. I think you just weren't clear in your op so people is giving you a hard time. tldr: op wants tooltip to show price of ship including the items in the cargo hold No, I was perfectly clear on what he wanted. I just don't ******* care. OP literally went somewhere, bought fittings for a ship, flew back, and trashed the ship he flew to buy the fittings before removing them from the cargo hold. The ship he literally used as the shopping cart. That's just carelessness and I honestly have no interest in protecting people from their own stupidity. My edit from above especially applies to you: It's so cliche to find so many hate-posters that try to argue with something so fundamentally obvious. Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? That observation isn't just for this game, it's pretty much every game with online forums. No person can make a valid criticism without a bunch of people acting like their lifestyle is being insulted, and having to go on the offense against the person making the critique. That's just sad. With all the numerous sanity checks the interface automatically offers, the original poster is perfectly reasonable to point out the interface inconsistency. For some reason you are PERSONALLY offended by his post, and you attack him as "stupid" and "careless". Wow. Get a life.

Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:50:45 - [21] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. You do remember what game this is, right? No one gives two flea infested rat sphincters about your "mood", princess. Take an aspirin and get over it. Your under the mistaken impression that I was saying that for my own benefit... I was actually saying it for yours.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10944	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:55:23 - [22] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? Because every game needs to have "flaws" to make things "interesting." And when I say "flaw" I mean "the game doesn't always tell you exactly what you need to know, want to know, do things for you, or protect you from yourself." If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now. How did you Veterans start?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19255	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:58:16 - [23] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. You do remember what game this is, right? No one gives two flea infested rat sphincters about your "mood", princess. Take an aspirin and get over it. Your under the mistaken impression that I was saying that for my own benefit... I was actually saying it for yours. Oh god please throw down over a forum post please, it's been a while since someone talked themselves into trouble here. We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:58:28 - [24] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? Because every game needs to have "flaws" to make things "interesting." And when I say "flaw" I mean "the game doesn't always tell you exactly what you need to know, want to know, do things for you, or protect you from yourself." If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now. "If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now." - The game wasn't designed to cater to your fetish for forum schadenfreude. Get over yourself, and get a life. You, a player of this game, should approve of basic interface improvements, and definitely should not be attacking others for wanting them.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19255	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:59:15 - [25] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? Because every game needs to have "flaws" to make things "interesting." And when I say "flaw" I mean "the game doesn't always tell you exactly what you need to know, want to know, do things for you, or protect you from yourself." If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now. Yeah, this is why the jump and bridge buttons are right on top of one another We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:00:40 - [26] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? No. It's because this game attracts arseholes who take pleasure in the misfortunes of others - and this game seems to cultivate those traits. Like any ********, these one flock to any such manifestation of misfortune, wherever it may be found. Like flies on a dung heap.
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:03:09 - [27] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? No. It's because this game attracts arseholes who take pleasure in the misfortunes of others - and this game seems to cultivate those traits. Like any ********, these one flock to any such manifestation of misfortune, wherever it may be found. Like flies on a dung heap. I'm sure that's part of it. My guess is that the primary reason is that these people spend so much time in the game, and value it so highly, that any criticism (valid or not) is construed as a personal attack on their lifestyle. I can't think of any other reasonable explanation as to why they react so aggressively. It's literally just a video game. Strange.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10947	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:05:56 - [28] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: The game wasn't designed to cater to your fetish for forum schadenfreude. True enough. But you can't say it doesn't make things "interesting." Gheeeed wrote: You, a player of this game, should approve of basic interface improvements, Nah. Some of the best fights, situations, and general WTF moments I have been in are a direct result of UI "issues." Hell... some of the biggest fights in the game have been the result of someone literally clicking the wrong button. Making things "idiot proof" would result in boredom. How did you Veterans start?
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:10:43 - [29] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Gheeeed wrote: The game wasn't designed to cater to your fetish for forum schadenfreude. True enough. But you can't say it doesn't make things "interesting." Gheeeed wrote: You, a player of this game, should approve of basic interface improvements, Nah. Some of the best fights, situations, and general WTF moments I have been in are a direct result of UI "issues." Hell... some of the biggest fights in the game have been the result of someone literally clicking the wrong button. Making things "idiot proof" would result in boredom. I think situations that develop from skill, logistics, and communications are more interesting and valuable than situations that develop from buggy/flawed user interfaces....if you disagree, well, at least you have a unique reason to promote bad design.
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1447	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:15:05 - [30] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. You do remember what game this is, right? No one gives two flea infested rat sphincters about your "mood", princess. Take an aspirin and get over it. Your under the mistaken impression that I was saying that for my own benefit... I was actually saying it for yours. I fail to see how it's for my benefit. I'm not the one whinging on about how I threw away my groceries because I forgot to take them out of the sack I brought them home in before I threw it away. I mean how desperately did you need to get rid of that rookie ship that you had to trash it without getting your packages out of the boot? Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19257	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:15:51 - [31] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Gheeeed wrote: The game wasn't designed to cater to your fetish for forum schadenfreude. True enough. But you can't say it doesn't make things "interesting." Gheeeed wrote: You, a player of this game, should approve of basic interface improvements, Nah. Some of the best fights, situations, and general WTF moments I have been in are a direct result of UI "issues." Hell... some of the biggest fights in the game have been the result of someone literally clicking the wrong button. Making things "idiot proof" would result in boredom. I think situations that develop from skill, logistics, and communications are more interesting and valuable than situations that develop from buggy/flawed user interfaces....if you disagree, well, at least you have a unique reason to promote bad design. b-r asakai yeah We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:16:14 - [32] - Quote Well. Here is the TL;DR. When you trash an item or ship it shows the ISK value of the item(s) that you are about to trash. However, when you trash a ship it does not include the value of cargo which is also going to be trashed. My suggestion is that the estimated value include the modules and cargo installed and loaded into that ship. This is particularly important for when you want to clean up your inventory and trash a bunch of rookie ships remotely. As it is impossible to view their contents when doing so.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2465	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:19:42 - [33] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? Because every game needs to have "flaws" to make things "interesting." And when I say "flaw" I mean "the game doesn't always tell you exactly what you need to know, want to know, do things for you, or protect you from yourself." If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now. Yeah, this is why the jump and bridge buttons are right on top of one another Oh the joy of of watching Titans jump rather than bridge, the funniest video was the panicked rush to save the Titan I think it was Black Star Alliance in Fountain, and then the lone voice at the end saying "That went well!" The comment at the end of the video was a classic and still makes me giggle. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:20:20 - [34] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Also, if you don't have anything nice to say. Please don't reply at all. I'm not in the mood. You do remember what game this is, right? No one gives two flea infested rat sphincters about your "mood", princess. Take an aspirin and get over it. Your under the mistaken impression that I was saying that for my own benefit... I was actually saying it for yours. I fail to see how it's for my benefit. I'm not the one whinging on about how I threw away my groceries because I forgot to take them out of the sack I brought them home in before I threw it away. I mean how desperately did you need to get rid of that rookie ship that you had to trash it without getting your packages out of the boot? Elenahina - You're grasping at straws here. Give it up and stop throwing out baseless attacks. Nobody is "whinging" about anything except you. Marcus' post was not an insult to you or your supposedly perfectly designed game interface. Stop feeling offended and defensive, and stop insulting him. As Marcus stated in his TL;DR version just now: When you trash an item or ship it shows the ISK value of the item(s) that you are about to trash. However, when you trash a ship it does not include the value of cargo which is also going to be trashed. My suggestion is that the estimated value include the modules and cargo installed and loaded into that ship. That's all this thread is about. There is no logical argument against that suggestion. Stop turning this into a personal issue.
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1448	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:21:31 - [35] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Why is it there is always a brigade of people that come careening into a thread to defend every obvious flaw/insufficiency? No. It's because this game attracts arseholes who take pleasure in the misfortunes of others - and this game seems to cultivate those traits. Like any *******, these one flock to any such manifestation of misfortune, wherever it may be found. Like flies on a dung heap. You're mistaken that I take pleasure in the misfortune of others. Had you had an actual misfortune, I would have been happy to offer support and help. You, however, suffered no misfortune - you were not hurt, you were barely even inconvenienced. As someone said, it's just a video game, so I feel absolutely no sense of moral obligation not to point and laugh when people do something dumb. And I fully expect people to do the same to me when I do something stupid (and I will). Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno*
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1448	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:26:58 - [36] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Elenahina - You're grasping at straws here. Give it up and stop throwing out baseless attacks. Nobody is "whinging" about anything except you. Marcus' post was not an insult to you or your supposedly perfectly designed game interface. Stop feeling offended and defensive, and stop insulting him. As Marcus stated in his TL;DR version just now: When you trash an item or ship it shows the ISK value of the item(s) that you are about to trash. However, when you trash a ship it does not include the value of cargo which is also going to be trashed. My suggestion is that the estimated value include the modules and cargo installed and loaded into that ship. That's all this thread is about. There is no logical argument against that suggestion. Stop turning this into a personal issue. And you are quite mistaken that the OP was in any way offering a suggestion or some kind of constructive criticism. It was literally a whinge about how annoying this was for him personally. Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. This is a very annoying "feature". Why doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. The TL;DR is actually longer than the original post, is constructive in that it illuminates a problem and offers a solution, and doesn't have the tone of a five year old who just lost a lolly in the sand. Had the thread started with that, it might have gone very differently. But as I said, I am under no obligation to do anything but point and laugh when people do silly things. vOv Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:35:13 - [37] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Elenahina - You're grasping at straws here. Give it up and stop throwing out baseless attacks. Nobody is "whinging" about anything except you. Marcus' post was not an insult to you or your supposedly perfectly designed game interface. Stop feeling offended and defensive, and stop insulting him. As Marcus stated in his TL;DR version just now: When you trash an item or ship it shows the ISK value of the item(s) that you are about to trash. However, when you trash a ship it does not include the value of cargo which is also going to be trashed. My suggestion is that the estimated value include the modules and cargo installed and loaded into that ship. That's all this thread is about. There is no logical argument against that suggestion. Stop turning this into a personal issue. And you are quite mistaken that the OP was in any way offering a suggestion or some kind of constructive criticism. It was literally a whinge about how annoying this was for him personally. Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. This is a very annoying "feature". Why doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. The TL;DR is actually longer than the original post, is constructive in that it illuminates a problem and offers a solution, and doesn't have the tone of a five year old who just lost a lolly in the sand. Had the thread started with that, it might have gone very differently. But as I said, I am under no obligation to do anything but point and laugh when people do silly things. vOv His misfortune is 100% related to the flawed interface. You just admitted that (finally), while in the same post, you claim he is "whinging". You're essentially saying that anyone who criticizes/laments anything (whether in Eve or elsewhere in life) is simply "whinging". If someone's car brakes failed because of bad design, and you lost your whole family and complained about it, are you simply "whinging"? Are you a valid target for "pointing and laughing" at because you didn't specifically point out the fact that the faulty brakes were the reason? No. That would be stupidly illogical and insulting. As I said, you're grasping at straws. You continue to post to pretend that your insults were relevant. They're not. I don't think even you believe what you're saying.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1668	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:39:58 - [38] - Quote People don't defend flaws or bugs or features, but a small percentage are zombies drawn by anyone complaining. They want to feed on you and any reaction at all is nutritious to the howling black sucking hole in their chests where most people have hearts. Repackage and reprocess are right next to each other, allowing drunk people to wonder where all that morphite suddenly came from. Clear all cache files and clear all settings are right next to each other, one mouse slip and you're gonna have a bad time. Mouse jitter can mean moving that Caldari Navy module from one cargo to hangar makes it end up in the cargo of another ship. If a number of ships are trashed you lose. TLDR yes sometimes people are stupid, but the wretches who crouch drooling and waiting to point out stupidity are usually more tragic. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Kojee Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten. 33	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:43:07 - [39] - Quote Congrats, OP, you are well on your way to trashing a very expensive item by accident before your eyes open wide and then you start crying.
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:47:38 - [40] - Quote Kojee wrote: Congrats, OP, you are well on your way to trashing a very expensive item by accident before your eyes open wide and then you start crying. OR...the devs can make the interface more consistent and informative to make their game better. ...but nahhh, that's just a crazy idea, right?

Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 499	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:55:05 - [41] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. This is a very annoying "feature". Why doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. Are you serious??! Do you know how annoying it would be to trash cargo from a trashed ship a second time?? If I want to trash a ship, I expect everything to go. Total annihilation.
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 22:57:30 - [42] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. This is a very annoying "feature". Why doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. Are you serious??! Do you know how annoying it would be to trash cargo from a trashed ship a second time?? If I want to trash a ship, I expect everything to go. Total annihilation. Right - CCP is so imaginatively bankrupt that they can't possibly think of adding another button to the popup that includes destroying cargo in one click. I think you detractors need to give CCP a little more credit.
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 8	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:05:18 - [43] - Quote Okay, firstly I needed to make a correction. I went back and double checked and the message doesn't quote ISK value it lists items. Yet the point still remains that when trashing a ship it lists that ship only and not the items contained within it. As for me stating that I was annoyed. Yes I was annoyed. It was annoying. I tend to express that annoyance it form of ranting - I suppose that's just me. But lets all consider that had I spent the last 2 hrs mining ore instead of discussing it, I'd have made back the entire value lost... So why don't we just leave this there.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10948	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:07:49 - [44] - Quote eats popcorn Keep digging OP. You will eventually reach 6 feet under! U KEN DUU EET!! But yeah... seriously... that you perceive this as an issue at all is purely your own opinion. The fact that people are making fun of you and trolling the thread should make that evident. How did you Veterans start?
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:13:21 - [45] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: eats popcorn Keep digging OP. You will eventually reach 6 feet under! U KEN DUU EET!! But yeah... seriously... that you perceive this as an issue at all is purely your own opinion. The fact that people are making fun of you and trolling the thread should make that evident. "people are making fun of you..." - Nah, only a handful of illogical trolls attacking the original poster. It's not just his opinion. The game's interface is objectively inconsistent. For example - look at the ISK-related warnings related to selling or refining items. Why wouldn't there be one for something even more fundamental, like destroying items? If the game alerts with a specific ISK amount for attempting to refine/sell for a potential 80% loss (for example), why wouldn't it provide a specific ISK alert for a potential 100% loss? You can't argue against that logic. You would be being purposefully obtuse and contradictory to argue against that. This is obviously a design inconsistency/insufficiency. Sounds like you're just one of those illogical troll that jumped on the "Eve is perfect!" train against a valid complaint.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 4	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:19:55 - [46] - Quote Open a support ticket. I made this exact mistake once years ago. The gm was kind enough to reverse the trashing for me as a one time thing. Sure as hell learned my lesson though No guarantee the same will happen with you. But it's worth a shot. Although you will probably need to wait a couple of weeks with how overloaded they are right now.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10950	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:48:09 - [47] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: If the game alerts with a specific ISK amount for attempting to refine/sell for a potential 80% loss (for example), why wouldn't it provide a specific ISK alert for a potential 100% loss? Do you honestly think those alerts are reliable in any way shape or form? I once received an alert for when buying Multispectral crystals. The game told me it was 107% above market price. Out of curiosity, I checked the market and EVE Central. Nope. I was buying those crystals at the lowest price in the game. I pretty much ignore all "alerts" and "average price blurbs" at this point and wish they would be removed. They, at best, do not help (especially for items that see little to no market movement). At worst, they give incorrect info (especially for items that see a lot of market movement). It would be better to get players into the habit of double checking their own stuff. Gheeeed wrote: You would be being purposefully obtuse and contradictory to argue against that. This is obviously a design inconsistency/insufficiency. Take your "consistency" argument elsewhere. I WANT people to make mistakes. Again... it makes things more interesting and creates opportunities where they may not have been otherwise. In your case, it simply teaches you a lesson to double check your stuff (which will help you later in the game). Gheeeed wrote: Sounds like you're just one of those illogical troll that jumped on the "Eve is perfect!" train against a valid complaint. Hardly. EVE has its problems. I simply don't see this as one of them. How did you Veterans start?
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:55:30 - [48] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Gheeeed wrote: If the game alerts with a specific ISK amount for attempting to refine/sell for a potential 80% loss (for example), why wouldn't it provide a specific ISK alert for a potential 100% loss? Do you honestly think those alerts are reliable in any way shape or form? I once received an alert for when buying Multispectral crystals. The game told me it was 107% above market price. Out of curiosity, I checked the market and EVE Central. Nope. I was buying those crystals at the lowest price in the game. I pretty much ignore all "alerts" and "average price blurbs" at this point and wish they would be removed. They, at best, do not help (especially for items that see little to no market movement). At worst, they give incorrect info (especially for items that see a lot of market movement). It would be better to get players into the habit of double checking their own stuff. Gheeeed wrote: You would be being purposefully obtuse and contradictory to argue against that. This is obviously a design inconsistency/insufficiency. Take your "consistency" argument elsewhere. I WANT people to make mistakes. Again... it makes things more interesting and creates opportunities where they may not have been otherwise. In your case, it simply teaches you a lesson to double check your stuff (which will help you later in the game). Gheeeed wrote: Sounds like you're just one of those illogical troll that jumped on the "Eve is perfect!" train against a valid complaint. Hardly. EVE has its problems. I simply don't see this as one of them. Your post can be condensed to the following: The intent of the interface design isn't executed well enough, and instead of wanting further improvement, I would rather see continued or even additional insufficiencies and inconsistencies. With that mindset, you should never design anything. Ever.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10951	Posted - 2016.11.26 00:08:08 - [49] - Quote I am fairly certain I would gain a cult following if I did. Remember Goat Simulator? Surgeon Simulator? Even Oregon Trail? Objectively terrible games UI-wise. And yet they will forever be emblazoned in the memories of gamers everywhere BECAUSE it is pretty easy to **** up in those games. All DUE to the terrible UI. Most AAA game titles will never reach that level of infamy. How did you Veterans start?
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 00:16:02 - [50] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: I am fairly certain I would gain a cult following if I did. Remember Goat Simulator? Surgeon Simulator? Even Oregon Trail? Objectively terrible games UI-wise. And yet they will forever be emblazoned in the memories of gamers everywhere BECAUSE it is pretty easy to ** up in those games. All DUE to the terrible UI. Most AAA game titles will never reach that level of infamy. Absolutely false. You're being dishonest. Nobody, EVER, has said to their friends: "Guys you gotta check out this cool game! The crappy interface is really what makes it exciting!" Oregon Trail, for example, was great for a variety of reasons - the originality, the roleplaying aspect, the historical importance of the story, etc. The interface was not one of them. The "easy to ** up" parts of the games didn't magically become enjoyable because of flawed interfaces. The difficulty was enjoyable due to gameplay design, not due to deficiencies in interface design. You're literally just making stuff up, that you know to be not true, just so you can keep posting in an attempt to defend your argument for purposefully bad design. Look, if that's really your stance, just come out and say, "I think bad interfaces make games more fun." I think you're crazy, but at least it's honest. Also, just about nobody on this planet will agree with you, but still, at least it's honest.

Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1273	Posted - 2016.11.26 00:37:12 - [51] - Quote Entertaining thread. Still OP has a point and the sad thing is, that the thread isn't going to be read by the Devs here in GD. It needs to be in F&I for that. Remove standings and insurance.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8067	Posted - 2016.11.26 00:50:59 - [52] - Quote So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 00:54:14 - [53] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum.
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 11	Posted - 2016.11.26 01:25:22 - [54] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. I have an IQ of 122 and I'm studying a PhD in Chemical Engineering. Somehow, I doubt that intelligence was a factor. I would put it down to fatigue. As I was coming to the end of a 6 hr gaming session. Normally I would open the inventory, and hangar ( in normally set them up side by side on my interface). Drag the items across. Assemble new ship, take control, trash rookie ship. Open fitting. Fit modules. Probably in the same amount of time it took you to read this paragraph. But, I did those steps out of order because I was tired. Got to fitting window, and then realised my modules were gone... Simple mistake. I suppose I should be glad that I learnt that lesson with those modules and not more expensive ones. Yet, it does expose an interface flaw. As I would have expected the behaviour to be more consistent with repackaging, and there is no visibility of the contents within the summary list in the warning window. So no actual indication of what you are actually throwing away.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13178	Posted - 2016.11.26 01:27:13 - [55] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Elenahina wrote: Marcus Binchiette wrote: Just trashed a corvette. Immediately before realising it was still loaded with the fittings I'd purchased for the ship I was about to fit. Which doesn't the trash ship window include fitted items and cargo? Why doesn't cargo stored in a trash ship get transferred to the item bay. This is a very annoying "feature". Why don't you learn to manage your belongings before you just throw them away and stop blaming CCP for your ineptitude? While you're at it, try and remember that there are no corvettes in this game. This is not Wing Commander. There are no Kilrathi or Mark Hamill here Actually bumble, you might want to check that. The New Npe calls rookie ships Corvettes explicitly and repeatedly, Also one of the lads mentioned that they're called this somewhere else in the client too. We now have a new tell on someone's age If it's not an Immolator, I don't want to know Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8069	Posted - 2016.11.26 01:33:28 - [56] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. I have an IQ of 122 and I'm studying a PhD in Chemical Engineering. Somehow, I doubt that intelligence was a factor. I would put it down to fatigue. As I was coming to the end of a 6 hr gaming session. Normally I would open the inventory, and hangar ( in normally set them up side by side on my interface). Drag the items across. Assemble new ship, take control, trash rookie ship. Open fitting. Fit modules. Probably in the same amount of time it took you to read this paragraph. But, I did those steps out of order because I was tired. Got to fitting window, and then realised my modules were gone... Simple mistake. I suppose I should be glad that I learnt that lesson with those modules and not more expensive ones. Yet, it does expose an interface flaw. As I would have expected the behaviour to be more consistent with repackaging, and there is no visibility of the contents within the summary list in the warning window. So no actual indication of what you are actually throwing away. OKAY!!! Now we are getting somewhere. So, you did these things because you were tired, not because of CCP's design. Glad we got the cleared up. /thread GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10954	Posted - 2016.11.26 01:34:08 - [57] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Absolutely false. You're being dishonest. Nobody, EVER, has said to their friends: "Guys you gotta check out this cool game! The crappy interface is really what makes it exciting!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYjCXjIeNJk The entire channel is dedicated to games that are, for all intents and purposes, "broken." The guys who run that channel even attempt to break honest-to-god "good games" that should not have any glaring flaws in them. Yes... there is a section of the gaming population that enjoy such things. Gheeeed wrote: Oregon Trail, for example, was great for a variety of reasons - the originality, the roleplaying aspect, the historical importance of the story, etc. The interface was not one of them. As a kid I remember that no other game made me quite as irritated as Oregon Trail. I couldn't do anything right (largely because of the UI). And that it what kept me going back to it. I don't play games for the "roleplaying" aspect of them (any of them). I play to master them and "win." The more difficult and irritating... the better. And I know I am not alone in this. Gheeeed wrote: The "easy to ** up" parts of the games didn't magically become enjoyable because of flawed interfaces. The difficulty was enjoyable due to gameplay design, not due to deficiencies in interface design. You're literally just making stuff up, that you know to be not true, just so you can keep posting in an attempt to defend your argument for purposefully bad design. See... this really comes down to a difference in mentality. I do honestly** ENJOY games that are "flawed" in some way. Not always in horribly game-breaking ways (though, those can be fairly entertaining in their own right)... but in ways that make it tricky to do anything. To master such games is a form of "skill" for me. In my mind, it takes a special kind of mental adaptability to take a UI that is working against you in some way and bend it to you will. [quote=Gheeeed]Look, if that's really your stance, just come out and say, "I think bad interfaces make games more fun." I think you're crazy, but at least it's honest.quote] Alright... I will admit to this. Now tell me... why should your want of a "better" UI overrule my want of a more "obfuscated" one? How did you Veterans start?
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8070	Posted - 2016.11.26 01:39:37 - [58] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum. My post was a trap. It was intentionally antagonistic, because I already knew he did it because of something else, and I wanted to get to the bottom of what it was. It succeeded, and now we have an answer. Because literally nobody but this guy complains about trashing ships with stuff still inside it, because literally nobody but this guy does it. Throughout my history on the forums, I've seen more people 'bragging' about accidentally trashing valuable stuff instead of complaining about it, only because it's funny as hell. I still remember one time, I was tired, and was trying to sell a faction cruiser of some kind (forget which one) and wound up trashing it somehow. Didn't complain at all, knew it was my own dumb fault, and took responsibility for it. See, here's the thing. This is one of EVE's design features that it's had for a very very very long time, and for good reason. Because there's nothing wrong with it. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 373	Posted - 2016.11.26 01:42:58 - [59] - Quote why should a ship sell price be quoted with all the fittings, the ship is 1 item when you click on it, your items in the hanger are only counted as 1 stack of items per stack. you knew you went shopping, you knew you didn't unload the cargo and chose to trash the ship with out repacking. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:06:26 - [60] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum. My post was a trap. It was intentionally antagonistic, because I already knew he did it because of something else, and I wanted to get to the bottom of what it was. It succeeded, and now we have an answer. Because literally nobody but this guy complains about trashing ships with stuff still inside it, because literally nobody but this guy does it. Throughout my history on the forums, I've seen more people 'bragging' about accidentally trashing valuable stuff instead of complaining about it, only because it's funny as hell. I still remember one time, I was tired, and was trying to sell a faction cruiser of some kind (forget which one) and wound up trashing it somehow. Didn't complain at all, knew it was my own dumb fault, and took responsibility for it. See, here's the thing. This is one of EVE's design features that it's had for a very very very long time, and for good reason. Because there's nothing wrong with it. A trap? LOL. That's one of the most contrived attempts at saving face I've ever seen. "...and now we have an answer." And what answer is that? That he was tired and the interface design failed in having a basic sanity check? That's your justification for promoting bad, inconsistent design? Pretty pathetic.

Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:08:45 - [61] - Quote Agondray wrote: why should a ship sell price be quoted with all the fittings, the ship is 1 item when you click on it, your items in the hanger are only counted as 1 stack of items per stack. you knew you went shopping, you knew you didn't unload the cargo and chose to trash the ship with out repacking. You're simply wrong. It's not one item. It's several items. We're talking pretty basic logic here. That's like saying your station container, which contains 100 items, is really only one item because the interface allows you to access it as single container that represents all 100 items. No - that would be stupid. It's 100 items plus the container.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8072	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:24:41 - [62] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum. My post was a trap. It was intentionally antagonistic, because I already knew he did it because of something else, and I wanted to get to the bottom of what it was. It succeeded, and now we have an answer. Because literally nobody but this guy complains about trashing ships with stuff still inside it, because literally nobody but this guy does it. Throughout my history on the forums, I've seen more people 'bragging' about accidentally trashing valuable stuff instead of complaining about it, only because it's funny as hell. I still remember one time, I was tired, and was trying to sell a faction cruiser of some kind (forget which one) and wound up trashing it somehow. Didn't complain at all, knew it was my own dumb fault, and took responsibility for it. See, here's the thing. This is one of EVE's design features that it's had for a very very very long time, and for good reason. Because there's nothing wrong with it. A trap? LOL. That's one of the most contrived attempts at saving face I've ever seen. "...and now we have an answer." And what answer is that? That he was tired and the interface design failed in having a basic sanity check? That's your justification for promoting bad, inconsistent design? Pretty pathetic. Save face from what? You? Who are you? The interface design shouldn't need a sanity check. He's an adult and should be able to manage his own sanity. If you were expecting the game to infantilise its playerbase, you've got the wrong game. The interface is fine. The responsibility for the error is his own. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:38:05 - [63] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: So let me get this straight. You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one. You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar. You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it. The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login. Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum. My post was a trap. It was intentionally antagonistic, because I already knew he did it because of something else, and I wanted to get to the bottom of what it was. It succeeded, and now we have an answer. Because literally nobody but this guy complains about trashing ships with stuff still inside it, because literally nobody but this guy does it. Throughout my history on the forums, I've seen more people 'bragging' about accidentally trashing valuable stuff instead of complaining about it, only because it's funny as hell. I still remember one time, I was tired, and was trying to sell a faction cruiser of some kind (forget which one) and wound up trashing it somehow. Didn't complain at all, knew it was my own dumb fault, and took responsibility for it. See, here's the thing. This is one of EVE's design features that it's had for a very very very long time, and for good reason. Because there's nothing wrong with it. A trap? LOL. That's one of the most contrived attempts at saving face I've ever seen. "...and now we have an answer." And what answer is that? That he was tired and the interface design failed in having a basic sanity check? That's your justification for promoting bad, inconsistent design? Pretty pathetic. Save face from what? You? Who are you? The interface design shouldn't need a sanity check. He's an adult and should be able to manage his own sanity. If you were expecting the game to infantilise its playerbase, you've got the wrong game. The interface is fine. The responsibility for the error is his own. Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread. The interface design should, AND DOES ALREADY, have various sanity checks. The original poster's complaint points out one area where the game doesn't, and should. To be so vocally against it shows me you have some weird insecurity, or some other personal issue, that makes you attack the poster. As I said earlier - your posting is a typical aggressive Pavlovian response to a simple and valid concern. You're a backwards thinker to believe that the interface "is fine" - as if there aren't a million improvements that could and should be made. You better e-mail CCP and tell them to stop wasting any and all time/money on the interface, genius.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8073	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:41:53 - [64] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread. Incorrect. The majority of people reading this thread understand that the mistake OP made was the OP's responsibility. Anyone that understands the game with no more than one seventeenth of a neuron knows this. I don't have to save face with anyone that matters, sorry, because I'm simply right, and proved it when the OP admitted the fault was due to his own fatigue. You can kick and scream about that in denial all you want, but the world is gonna go on, the game is gonna continue with the majority of people not trashing their stuff by accident, and this thread will be forgotten as the pointless anomaly that it is. CCP can't patch the cause of OP's failure. Even if that 'sanity check' was there, is there any guarantee he wouldn't have still made the same mistake? No, there really isn't. Tired people do stupid things regardless of the 'sanity checks' meant to stop them. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:44:31 - [65] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread. Incorrect. The majority of people reading this thread understand that the mistake OP made was the OP's responsibility. Anyone that understands the game with no more than one seventeenth of a neuron knows this. I don't have to save face with anyone that matters, sorry, because I'm simply right, and proved it when the OP admitted the fault was due to his own fatigue. You can kick and scream about that in denial all you want, but the world is gonna go on, the game is gonna continue with the majority of people not trashing their stuff by accident, and this thread will be forgotten as the pointless anomaly that it is. You contrived a junkpile of a reply, pretending that your insulting, aggressive, idiotic post was "a trap", like you're some sort of crafty forum detective. LOL. How laughable. So yes, you were trying to save face. You failed. You still haven't addressed the fundamental issue of the inconsistencies of sanity checks that the interface offers. All you have are insults and blame against the original poster. Why are you even in this thread? To point and laugh at someone's misfortune? Are you really that empty? Get well soon.
Specia1 K State War Academy Caldari State 182	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:49:17 - [66] - Quote OP messed up. Plain and simple. Bet he never does that again. No fix required. Lesson learned.
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:51:29 - [67] - Quote Specia1 K wrote: OP messed up. Plain and simple. Bet he never does that again. No fix required. Lesson learned. Wrong. The interface should show approximate ISK value, just like it does with refining and market transactions. THAT is what's plain and simple. You can not disagree unless you are promoting interface inconsistency, or promoting the removal of all sanity checks in the game (either of those options are terrible, but at least you'll be self-consistent in your beliefs).
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8073	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:51:51 - [68] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread. Incorrect. The majority of people reading this thread understand that the mistake OP made was the OP's responsibility. Anyone that understands the game with no more than one seventeenth of a neuron knows this. I don't have to save face with anyone that matters, sorry, because I'm simply right, and proved it when the OP admitted the fault was due to his own fatigue. You can kick and scream about that in denial all you want, but the world is gonna go on, the game is gonna continue with the majority of people not trashing their stuff by accident, and this thread will be forgotten as the pointless anomaly that it is. You contrived a junkpile of a reply, pretending that your insulting, aggressive, idiotic post was "a trap", like you're some sort of crafty forum detective. LOL. How laughable. So yes, you were trying to save face. You failed. You still haven't addressed the fundamental issue of the inconsistencies of sanity checks that the interface offers. All you have are insults and blame against the original poster. Why are you even in this thread? To point and laugh at someone's misfortune? Are you really that empty? Get well soon. Why do you feel like you have to defend the OP here? Did he not speak for himself above in a calm, non-offended manner? He didn't seem offended to me, not one bit, he was quite articulate, actually. You, however, seem to feel the need to go completely postal for his honour. Why? You haven't actually even said anything that matters, just gotten all ragey for no reason. I don't get it. Anyway, I've made my point, if you wanna ignore it, be my guest. Nothing you say about me is relevant cuz you don't know me, and it's off-topic, so I have no reason to reply to any of it. I can assure you, though, what you're doing right now is a good way to make sure no one on the forums ever takes you seriously. A really good way. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Specia1 K State War Academy Caldari State 182	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:52:36 - [69] - Quote OP whinged in GD for something he did to himself. Bet he never does that again. No fix required. Lesson learned.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8073	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:54:20 - [70] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Specia1 K wrote: OP messed up. Plain and simple. Bet he never does that again. No fix required. Lesson learned. Wrong. The interface should show approximate ISK value, just like it does with refining and market transactions. THAT is what's plain and simple. You can not disagree unless you are promoting interface inconsistency, or promoting the removal of all sanity checks in the game (either of those options are terrible, but at least you'll be self-consistent in your beliefs). You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that? What's plain and simple is, OP's belongings are OP's responsibility. Now, please continue to rant and rave about how wrong we are about that. It's meaningless of course, because we're not wrong, but go ahead and do it anyway. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 13	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:56:31 - [71] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: OKAY!!! Now we are getting somewhere. So, you did these things because you were tired, not because of CCP's design. Glad we got the cleared up. /thread Normally accidents don't have one singular cause. They happen because of a series of events which take place, or countermeasures which fail and there is rarely one failing point. My being tired was one factor. The interface providing insufficient information was another. As for the second problem the appropriate course of action is to make comment and bring it to the attention of CCP. As for the first issue, I should probably get a good night sleep and stop wasting my time chatting with idiots like you.
Specia1 K State War Academy Caldari State 183	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:57:16 - [72] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Specia1 K wrote: OP messed up. Plain and simple. Bet he never does that again. No fix required. Lesson learned. Wrong. The interface should show approximate ISK value, just like it does with refining and market transactions. THAT is what's plain and simple. You can not disagree unless you are promoting interface inconsistency, or promoting the removal of all sanity checks in the game (either of those options are terrible, but at least you'll be self-consistent in your beliefs). Working hard on a new interface for ya
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 02:58:21 - [73] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Why do you feel like you have to defend the OP here? Did he not speak for himself above in a calm, non-offended manner? He didn't seem offended to me, not one bit, he was quite articulate, actually. You, however, seem to feel the need to go completely postal for his honour. Why? You haven't actually even said anything that matters, just gotten all ragey for no reason. I don't get it. Anyway, I've made my point, if you wanna ignore it, be my guest. Nothing you say about me is relevant cuz you don't know me, and it's off-topic, so I have no reason to reply to any of it. I can assure you, though, what you're doing right now is a good way to make sure no one on the forums ever takes you seriously. A really good way. Why? Because I feel like it. When I see idiots in action, sometimes I decide to speak against them. That's my personality. I hope you find that objectionable to your core. Also, I've said plenty that matters. You chose to ignore it - or maybe you have trouble comprehending basic logic? You didn't make a point. You jumped into this thread, figuratively reached into your pants to grab turds and throw them at people, and now you're acting confused when someone confronts you for it. I don't need to "know you" to say relevant things to you - your actions have told me enough.
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 03:01:54 - [74] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that? HAHAHA. "sweeping game changes" - what are you even talking about? Are you drunk right now? Adding an ISK value to a single dialogue box is not a "sweeping game change" by any sane measure. Hmm, yeah, you must be drunk.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8073	Posted - 2016.11.26 03:21:29 - [75] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that? HAHAHA. "sweeping game changes" - what are you even talking about? Are you drunk right now? Adding an ISK value to a single dialogue box is not a "sweeping game change" by any sane measure. Hmm, yeah, you must be drunk. Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 03:33:11 - [76] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that? HAHAHA. "sweeping game changes" - what are you even talking about? Are you drunk right now? Adding an ISK value to a single dialogue box is not a "sweeping game change" by any sane measure. Hmm, yeah, you must be drunk. Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held. Still posting garbage I see. Let's briefly go over the timeline: 1) You bumbled your way into the thread with a trite attack against the original poster. 2) You then completely ignored the main point - inconsistencies with interface sanity checks. 3) You complained about being confronted about your behavior. 4) You incorrectly call the suggested improvement a "sweeping change" - you failed to address the deserved ridicule. No, I won't so easily forget your ridiculous claim. Address it or admit you're wrong. 5) You have no legitimate response, so you go back to (1) - insulting the original poster by insinuating he needed his hand held. 6) (future action, hopefully) You leave the thread with your head down in shame, as you should.
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 567	Posted - 2016.11.26 03:39:57 - [77] - Quote Moved to Player Feature and Ideas. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8073	Posted - 2016.11.26 03:56:15 - [78] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: irrelevant garbage Let me reiterate for you, seeing as how you're trying very hard to ignore the point. Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 04:10:20 - [79] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: irrelevant garbage Let me reiterate for you, seeing as how you're trying very hard to ignore the point. Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held. You just recycled your same garbage post. You addressed nothing. Done wasting my time on you until you create an actual response.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1261	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:01:46 - [80] - Quote Marcus Binchiette wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Nothing requires you to use features you find annoying. You misunderstand. The function is useful. The "feature" is annoying. The option to trash ship is used and wanted. The mechanic whereby cargo contained in said ship is also trashed (instead of being transferred to the item bay) is annoying an unwanted. Also, please consider that if you can't be bothered fixing things which I and other user find annoying. Then you should be prepared to read a lot of replies from said annoyed people. Actually, I understood perfectly; which together with this thread goes to show that annoyed is just an alternate spelling of idiot. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8089	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:52:32 - [81] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Gheeeed wrote: irrelevant garbage Let me reiterate for you, seeing as how you're trying very hard to ignore the point. Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held. You just recycled your same garbage post. You addressed nothing. Done wasting my time on you until you create an actual response. I have addressed everything. Your ignorance of my points does not mean they were not made. Again, who even are you? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Marcus Binchiette Pyrotech Creations 14	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:49:18 - [82] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Open a support ticket. I made this exact mistake once years ago. The gm was kind enough to reverse the trashing for me as a one time thing. Sure as hell learned my lesson though No guarantee the same will happen with you. But it's worth a shot. Although you will probably need to wait a couple of weeks with how overloaded they are right now. Of all the comments in this entire thread this was by far the most helpful. This forum needs more people like you sir.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13192	Posted - 2016.11.26 15:08:40 - [83] - Quote Gheeeed wrote: 1) You bumbled your way into the thread with a trite attack against the original poster. Oi, mate I'm not a verb, FFS Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log


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