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STEREODOG Rules Drifter Corporation 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:27:37 - [1] - Quote After playing this game for 2 months and finally getting a Hyperion I tried a level 4 mission and lost my ship - it happens and I ground out enough credits again to get another one only to have it destroyed within seconds in a "safe" area while approaching a jump point. Foolish of me to think it was safe and I might be protected by the guardians of the jump point. As a new player I could not yet afford the insurance so I was staying to the "safe" areas and also avoiding level 4 missions. Thanks to players that killed my ship in a safe area I will now give up on this game as it is impossible to compete against long time players in better ships that just troll the safe areas. PS: can I have my money back?
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 500	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:33:04 - [2] - Quote 8 Golden rules of EvE Be able to afford a loss * Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can't afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit.
STEREODOG Rules Drifter Corporation 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:40:57 - [3] - Quote Whats the point of highsec areas if anyone can troll you as a new player?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10972	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:46:07 - [4] - Quote A few things before you go (perhaps I can clarify a few things): - What do you consider / understand to be a "safe area." (I ask because I am willing to bet you do not have the correct information... or not all of info you need at the very least). - How was your ship fit? This can make a world of difference. - Did you train as quickly as possible to use a bigger ship? This could be another factor. Just because you can fly it, it does not mean you can fly it "effectively." - What system did you get killed in? What killed you? I cannot find any killmail under your name... so there is no information anyone can examine. Even a simple screenshot of your death in your character sheet will provide critical information that we can interpret. How did you Veterans start?
Netan MalDoran Last Garrison 263	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:57:39 - [5] - Quote I just wanna throw this out there, 3-4 years into this game and I have never owned anything bigger than a battlecruiser. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! Falcon's truth
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 791	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:58:32 - [6] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: Whats the point of highsec areas if anyone can troll you as a new player? I don't know what highsec is supposed to be either. Thanks for playing @lunettelulu7
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 500	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:59:28 - [7] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: Whats the point of highsec areas if anyone can troll you as a new player? It's a misconception that highsec areas are "safe". It's better to think of it as space with different engagement mechanics than low/null or wormholes. The mechanics makes it harder to kill people, but you can always be killed. Basically, you consent to PvP when you press the "Undock" button. Being docked is the only safe place in EvE. 8 Golden rules of EvE Consent to PvP * You consent to PvP when you click "undock". * You are not safe in 1.0 security space. CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea. * In most cases, the only way to be 100% safe from aggression inside the game is to be docked in a station. Being cloaked in a secret safespot could work too. I really think you should read those rules...
Juggs O'Plenty Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:01:09 - [8] - Quote Compulsory 'Can I have your stuff?'
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1253	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:28:08 - [9] - Quote Juggs O'Plenty wrote: Compulsory 'Can I have your stuff?' Not in NQ&A. -- OP. HS is like living in a city with police everywhere. That doesn't stop convenience stores from getting robbed. It doesn't stop home invasions, or rapes, or any other crime from happening. In Eve "safe spot" specifically refers to a bookmark you made off grid, and preferably 16au or more from any celestial. This is made by the tedious process of warping between two celestial making a bookmark. Warping between two other celestials and making a bookmark. Then warping from one bookmark to the other bookmark and making yet another bookmark, so that the third safespot is completely out-of-line from any celestials, then deleting the other two bookmarks. Even in a safe spot, you aren't safe unless you are cloaked, because you can still be probed down. But being out-of-line and 16au or more from a celestial means that high-speed probing techniques can't be used on you. Anyway, whenever you fail at something in Eve, realize that there are tens of thousands of other players that can do it just fine. Instead of making excuses and claiming that something is impossible, you should ask for advice, including from the people that blew up your ship. If you are polite to the people that kill you, they will be more than happy to help you. Just don't ever whine or cry about your loss or they will milk you tears. If you couldn't afford to pay for insurance, you couldn't afford to fly that ship. At 2 month, you probably didn't have the ship skills to properly fly. But, people don't just gank hyperions in HS without some incentive. You probably triggered a suspect timer on yourself or somehow made yourself a legal kill target. Eve at its core is a game for people who "can." "I Can't" people will never be happy playing eve. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
STEREODOG Rules Drifter Corporation 2	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:30:40 - [10] - Quote I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll.

Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 500	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:33:04 - [11] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. 8 Golden rules of EvE Bigger is not always better * More expensive stuff is not always better stuff. * Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely. * Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it's not better. Other times it's not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better. * There are no "solopwnmobiles" in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it's shot hard enough. * With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn't matter all that much. This is just getting ridiculous now...
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1253	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:36:09 - [12] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). This is a big misconception. In eve you can play for 2 hours (enough to complete the tutorial) then get in a better ships, and join a corporation and go fight in fleets. There is no need to play hundreds of hours. Quote: I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. You still haven't given us the name of your real character that got shot down. And we still have no reason to believe at this point you were trolled. People don't attack hyperions in HS unless they are a valid target. The fact that Concord DIDN'T come to your rescue tells us that you weren't ganked or trolled. You comitted an illegal action, so Concord didn't come. Concord only comes if you are "innocent." This is all on you. Not veterans trolling. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
STEREODOG Rules Drifter Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:39:12 - [13] - Quote Maekchu wrote: STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. 8 Golden rules of EvE Bigger is not always better * More expensive stuff is not always better stuff. * Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely. * Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it's not better. Other times it's not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better. * There are no "solopwnmobiles" in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it's shot hard enough. * With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn't matter all that much. This is just getting ridiculous now... Sorry I was too busy playing this game to read your 8 golden rules.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19270	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:40:25 - [14] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. CONCORD punish, not protect. Could you answer the question about how your ship exploded please? Were you at war? Were you suspect? Were you given a duel requests? We can and will explain what we can and will do our best to put aside any miscommunications you might have but you need to give us a little more context. We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1253	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:44:53 - [15] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: Maekchu wrote: This is just getting ridiculous now... Sorry I was too busy playing this game to read your 8 golden rules. It is not His rules. They are the time honored rules that good veterans always pass down to newcommers so that they can enjoy the game of eve. You ignored the rules, did you enjoy the game? Play by the golden rules and you will find the game significantly more enjoyable. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10973	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:48:12 - [16] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). This is not World of Tanks. Forget what you have learned in other MMOs as 90% of the things you learned in them will not help you here. There is no "best ship." Bigger ships do not have a clear cut advantage against smaller ships. In fact, they have some disadvantages. Your ship will not respawn. Ever. Corporations tend to recruit you less on what you can fly and equip and more on your mentality. STEREODOG Rules wrote: I didn't know that this game could care less about new players Oh... we care. We care a lot. But we don't believe in "coddling" here. We believe in "teaching" and "trail by fire." So upon request, we will provide you with a mountain of information, tips, advice, and sometimes even free stuff... but we expect you to use your own cunning to figure out how to apply said information. STEREODOG Rules wrote: I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. There are no "guardians" in the game. At all. The NPCs in high-sec are there for purely punitive reasons. A player's safety rests entirely upon his or her shoulders. And with information and experience, you can increase your safety by a large margin (but it will never be absolute, because nothing in EVE ever is "absolute"). How did you Veterans start?
STEREODOG Rules Drifter Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:52:55 - [17] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). This is a big misconception. In eve you can play for 2 hours (enough to complete the tutorial) then get in a better ships, and join a corporation and go fight in fleets. There is no need to play hundreds of hours. Quote: I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. You still haven't given us the name of your real character that got shot down. And we still have no reason to believe at this point you were trolled. People don't attack hyperions in HS unless they are a valid target. The fact that Concord DIDN'T come to your rescue tells us that you weren't ganked or trolled. You comitted an illegal action, so Concord didn't come. Concord only comes if you are "innocent." This is all on you. Not veterans trolling. My ingame name is the same as my avatar STEREODOG Rules I was jumping through Kassigainen on auto pilot towards Jita to get a Large cap charger 2 for my Hyperion on 2106/11/26 18:23 when I was attacked and killed.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19270	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:56:20 - [18] - Quote By whom is the question. Players? NPC faction police? We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18214	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:02:25 - [19] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: Iria Ahrens wrote: STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). This is a big misconception. In eve you can play for 2 hours (enough to complete the tutorial) then get in a better ships, and join a corporation and go fight in fleets. There is no need to play hundreds of hours. Quote: I didn't know that this game could care less about new players and say it was our fault for undocking in the first place. I can understand being attacked in red or orange zones as there is fair warning but the game was not clear that the guardians will not protect you in highsec areas from veterans who troll. You still haven't given us the name of your real character that got shot down. And we still have no reason to believe at this point you were trolled. People don't attack hyperions in HS unless they are a valid target. The fact that Concord DIDN'T come to your rescue tells us that you weren't ganked or trolled. You comitted an illegal action, so Concord didn't come. Concord only comes if you are "innocent." This is all on you. Not veterans trolling. My ingame name is the same as my avatar STEREODOG Rules I was jumping through Kassigainen on auto pilot towards Jita to get a Large cap charger 2 for my Hyperion on 2106/11/26 18:23 when I was attacked and killed. zkill shows no hyperion loss at or near that time, meaning whoever killed you didn't post the kill. This is extremely unusual for hi-sec PvPers. However, NPCs dont post kills. Are you sure you weren't killed by CONCORD or faction police? "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1255	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:04:08 - [20] - Quote zkillboard is only showing 3 ships and 3 pod kills in Kassigainen today, and nothing for a few days prior. Is it possible that the OP was somehow KOS to Caldari due to not being selective with missions? My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10974	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:05:03 - [21] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: My ingame name is the same as my avatar STEREODOG Rules I was jumping through Kassigainen on auto pilot towards Jita to get a Large cap charger 2 for my Hyperion on 2106/11/26 18:23 when I was attacked and killed. I checked the system and your corporation on zkillboard. Your name is not listed anywhere. There are only a few ways to explain this: - you may have been killed by NPCs, not players. NPCs do not produce killmails. Were any of the people who killed have the terms "Seeker" or "Drifter" or "Tyranis" by any chance? - neither your, nor your attacker, or your corporation, or your attacker's corporation has an killmail API set up. While this is a possibility, the odds of this being the case are rare (as hunter-killers like their killboards). - you were on a different character - there is some kind of extreme time delay going on here. Perhaps a screenshot of the kill may be faster? Double click the kill on your character sheet, save the picture, and post it on Imgur. Quote: zkillboard is only showing 3 ships and 3 pod kills in Kassigainen today, and nothing for a few days prior. Is it possible that the OP was somehow KOS to Caldari due to not being selective with missions? That's another possibility. NPCs do not interfere with the activities of other NPCs. How did you Veterans start?
Erin Oswell Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 44	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:07:09 - [22] - Quote I see you're part of a player owned corp, did/do your corp have any wardecs on them? This would change the mechanics of when & where you can be attacked completely, without CONCORD interference. It sounds suspiciously like you were simply an easy target for lazy pirates who like to camp the trade hubs and wardec as many corps as they can. Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
STEREODOG Rules Drifter Corporation 3	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:10:19 - [23] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: zkillboard is only showing 3 ships and 3 pod kills in Kassigainen today, and nothing for a few days prior. Is it possible that the OP was somehow KOS to Caldari due to not being selective with missions? OP is Gallante, so doing Gallante missions could get him KOS to Caldari. I was not doing any mission - I was just going to get a part for my ship and was on auto pilot so I did not attack anyone. I tried to get away as soon as I was shot but was webified.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10974	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:13:27 - [24] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: Iria Ahrens wrote: zkillboard is only showing 3 ships and 3 pod kills in Kassigainen today, and nothing for a few days prior. Is it possible that the OP was somehow KOS to Caldari due to not being selective with missions? OP is Gallante, so doing Gallante missions could get him KOS to Caldari. I was not doing any mission - I was just going to get a part for my ship and was on auto pilot so I did not attack anyone. I tried to get away as soon as I was shot but was webified. Okay... what is your standing with the Caldari? I am thinking it is more than likely that the OP ran afoul of the NPCs. Also... as a general rule of thumb; do not trust the autopilot. Terrible things happen when you do. How did you Veterans start?
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1256	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:16:17 - [25] - Quote OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State. Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1716	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:19:25 - [26] - Quote STEREODOG Rules wrote: I was under the misconception that if you played hundreds of hours to get and fit a better ship and train skills you could then join a fleet and fight as a team (as in world of tanks). That is definitely a misconception. In Eve it's about what you know not how many skill points you have or how blingy your ship is. But what is even better than knowledge in this game is friends. If you want to join a fleet and fight you can do that on day one. Oh and ten years down the road when you have a couple hunder Million skill points you can still jump in that same T1 frigate and join a fleet and fight. If you think that bigger is better or that you can buy your way to glory in this game then you have things all backwards. I tried to look you up on the KBs to see the kill but you don't show up so I am just going to have to take a guess that you purchased some expensive mods to fit your Hyperion that you probably had neither the personal nor character skills to fly. Stay small, fly cheap and learn the game. Eve is not a game about gear progression. There is no character level nor end game in Eve. Bigger is not better. The general theme with Eve is doing more with less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k&t=517s The above link is an experienced vet on a days old alt flying very cheaply fit frigates and doing very well for himself. That is what Eve is. If you are rushing into a battleship before you have the support skills to fly it properly and breaking the cardnial rule of Eve which is "DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOOSE" then you only have yourself to blame not this game.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1719	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:25:45 - [27] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: There is no "best ship." I typically agree with Uncle ShahFluffers but on this one I have to take exception. Everyone knows that friendship is the best ship in Eve. It sounds corny but it's true. If you are trying to solo the game then you are missing at least 90% of the content.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10978	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:31:08 - [28] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: There is no "best ship." I typically agree with Uncle ShahFluffers but on this one I have to take exception [deep jazzy voice] Whatchu say boi?? pulls out the belt How did you Veterans start?
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1257	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:32:16 - [29] - Quote Just posting for relevancy towards the #1 golden rule and the "bigger is not better" part of the 8 golden rules. Battleship dies to cruiser. https://www.facebook.com/eveonline/videos/10154784141884394/ My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1720	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:39:40 - [30] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Okay... what is your standing with the Caldari? I am thinking it is more than likely that the OP ran afoul of the NPCs. Also... as a general rule of thumb; do not trust the autopilot. Terrible things happen when you do. Good point Shah, also OP did you have any corpses in your cargohold or any contraband or any drifer technology?



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