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STEREODOG Rules
Drifter Corporation
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:01:06 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time. |

Soloman Jackson
Locust Assets
624
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:09:02 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time.
There are a few social skills you can train that will clear that standings issue right up.
EDIT: Train Diplomacy. It's a x1 skill and trains fast. Just train that and get back out there and have fun.
"I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19274
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:09:23 -
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No worries mate, it happens.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1263
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:09:47 -
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It happens to everyone. Just remember that we are here to to help you. Next time you feel like giving Eve a try, check out the stickys in this subforum, and of course never hesitate to ask questions. Believe it or not, once you get over the learning curve, it flattens out a lot, but that depth of play is what keeps the replay value so high.
Some social skills, and the SOE epic arc together should be enough to get you over -5. The soe arc does take a couple days to do though. In the meantime, you can shop in Dodoxie instead of Jita.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19274
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:11:21 -
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Soloman Jackson wrote:STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time. There are a few social skills you can train that will clear that standings issue right up. Not from -7. That's going to require some work.
Op in future you should avoid missions against any of the four Empires.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1263
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:13:13 -
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I heard of turning in Tags or something, that costs money though. Never tried it myself.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10984
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:13:39 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No worries mate, it happens. I will echo this.
Check out this thread: "How did you Veterans start?"
It is a collection of stories from players on how they started and advanced through the game. You will find that pretty much every person in EVE has suffered from some kind of derpy death that was fully preventable.
Consider it a badge of honor. A... "hazing ritual," if you will.
How did you Veterans start?
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Soloman Jackson
Locust Assets
624
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:14:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Soloman Jackson wrote:STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time. There are a few social skills you can train that will clear that standings issue right up. Not from -7. That's going to require some work. Op in future you should avoid missions against any of the four Empires.
Diplomacy trained to 4 wouldn't bring it up past -5? That's all he really needs to be at. This character is in the same situation. Diplomacy is the only thing that keeps both Caldari and Amarr from shooting at him.
"I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
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u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
789
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:15:20 -
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Repairing the faction standings is a long and painful process - I've been there twice...OP, the easiest way is to learn Diplomacy skill, you just need to get above -5 so the navy won't shoot you anymore.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19274
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Posted - 2016.11.26 22:55:49 -
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Soloman Jackson wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Soloman Jackson wrote:STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time. There are a few social skills you can train that will clear that standings issue right up. Not from -7. That's going to require some work. Op in future you should avoid missions against any of the four Empires. Diplomacy trained to 4 wouldn't bring it up past -5? That's all he really needs to be at. This character is in the same situation. Diplomacy is the only thing that keeps both Caldari and Amarr from shooting at him. I stand corrected.
We're Back in Business ,
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Baggo Hammers
323
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Posted - 2016.11.26 23:04:53 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time.
Hey at least you had the stones to admit it unlike may on these boards!
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2749
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Posted - 2016.11.26 23:10:32 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time.
Nah. It's steep, but anyone can learn it, really.
Managing your risk is a key aspect of Eve. Consider any ship you undock to be dead at the time of undock. You might get back to a station and then hey... free ship!
But really consider that to be the case. If you're not okay with that ship exploding right then and there, don't undock it. Mentally surviving Eve largely requires skipping straight past the first four stages of grief and permanently residing in a state of Acceptance.
And I can't stress enough that bigger does NOT equal "better" in Eve. Ships are tools and like any tool, some are better suited for certain tasks than others. Smaller ships are not rendered obsolete by larger ones, and while a bigger ship generally has better raw damage numbers and raw tanking ability, they're also remarkably less mobile (both sublight and warping), and have difficulty applying their damage capability to smaller ships.
The same death in a frigate or cruiser would have taught the same lesson, but at a far lower expense.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10984
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Posted - 2016.11.26 23:13:08 -
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*sniffs*
I smell an ISD person around here.
*sniffs again*
... close by... *frysquint* ...but no evidence was left behind...
*is suspicious*
How did you Veterans start?
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1265
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Posted - 2016.11.26 23:27:23 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:OP. open your character sheet alt-a. Interactons/standings. Disliked by and tell us what your modified Caldari State standing is. If it is -5 or lower you are KOS to Caldari State.
Interactions/Combat Log/ change drop-down to Show losses. double click on your ship. Under involved parties, it will tell you exactly who killed you.
I have to apologize to the members of this game as it indeed was the Caldari Navy fleet admiral that killed me. My standing with the Caldari is - 7.01. This is a steep learning curve to this game and unfortunately it has proven to be too much for me at this time.
What matters here is that you do have a learning curve. And you can own up to your own mistakes. You now officially have what it takes to be an eve player. So I hope you do come back.
Eve gameplay is essentially a long line of mistakes, that you recover from, dust yourself off, and then learn and adapt.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19274
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Posted - 2016.11.26 23:46:59 -
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Confirming, we all suck at eve, but some of us have been around long enough, and sucked hard enough to learn from it.
We're Back in Business ,
have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10985
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Posted - 2016.11.26 23:58:14 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Confirming, we all suck at eve, but some of us have been around long enough, and sucked hard enough to learn from it. Reeeeaaaaally now? >_>
Eve tells me something different. She was not impressed.
How did you Veterans start?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19276
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:05:54 -
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Oh you smutty git.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10986
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:07:49 -
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^_^
How did you Veterans start?
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Vekitsu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:09:55 -
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I've been playing only a couple of days and finished intro training, etc. Why to seasoned players feel compelled to attack new players? What am I expecting and what/where should I avoid? I just don't understand the purpose of PVP in this game yet. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19278
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:31:22 -
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Vekitsu wrote:I've been playing only a couple of days and finished intro training, etc. Why to seasoned players feel compelled to attack new players? What am I expecting and what/where should I avoid? I just don't understand the purpose of PVP in this game yet. Seasoned players will, as a rule ,attack anyone and anything that leaves itself vulnerable to it. PvP in eve is about whatever you want it to be. Personally I'm a Murderer of negotiable motivations, when not on the job I'll shoot just about anything available for shooting.
When this happens to be a newbro of opportunity I'll often contact them afterwards and see how they are, if I get Torrens of abuse ill poke fun, if they take it well I'll give advice, link them resources. I might cover the cost of the loss if they're cool about it.
Best advice if you find yourself on the receiving end is to either be chill and ask what happened(show a little spirit ) Or treat them as your new mortal enemie, Eve is good with friends, Better with enemies
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1269
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:32:07 -
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Vekitsu wrote:I've been playing only a couple of days and finished intro training, etc. Why to seasoned players feel compelled to attack new players? What am I expecting and what/where should I avoid? I just don't understand the purpose of PVP in this game yet.
The truth is, when someone attacks you, they probably aren't doing it aware you are a new player. This is especially true at gate camps. If you pop on their overview, they attack because you are there. The same reason people do pvp in FPS games. If anyone specializes in killing newbies, then they would get a ban. But the truth is, most people are not hazing newbies, so much as not giving newbies extra slack.
Follow the golden rules of eve. and you have to actually really accept them. If you do, you'll be fine. Accept your ship loss before you undock, the same as you accept your avatar death in an FPS when you spawn, and you'll do fine.
The problem for most people is getting attached to their stuff, then watching it turn into a ball of fire. Treat your ship as a consumable, the same as ammunition. Expect to be blown up. Expect to make mistakes. But also, know that every single time you blow up, there is something you could have done to prevent it. Ultimately, the players that get eve are the ones that blame themselves for whataver happens, and then learn and adapt. People who are busy blaming the other guy are never happy playing eve.
It doesn't matter that the other guy was to blame. What matters is was there something that you could have done different to prevent the other guy from blowing up your ship, stealing your stuff, or scaming you, or whatever other bad thing. And the answer is always, yes.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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STEREODOG Rules
Drifter Corporation
8
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:32:17 -
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Vekitsu wrote:I've been playing only a couple of days and finished intro training, etc. Why to seasoned players feel compelled to attack new players? What am I expecting and what/where should I avoid? I just don't understand the purpose of PVP in this game yet.
Apparently you do not want to attempt all the missions offered to you or you will **** off your neighbours and they will attack you when travelling through their space unless you magically knew in advance to train a skill - Diplomacy to the 4th level. On the flip side the people here have been very helpful in finding out what happened and informing you how to avoid in the future. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19278
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:38:38 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote:Vekitsu wrote:I've been playing only a couple of days and finished intro training, etc. Why to seasoned players feel compelled to attack new players? What am I expecting and what/where should I avoid? I just don't understand the purpose of PVP in this game yet. Apparently you do not want to attempt all the missions offered to you or you will **** off your neighbours and they will attack you when travelling through their space unless you magically knew in advance to train a skill - Diplomacy to the 4th level. On the flip side the people here have been very helpful in finding out what happened and informing you how to avoid in the future. Yeah the whole Faction standing thing isn't terribly well explained anywhere in the client. I absolutely tanked my gallente/minmitar standing early on (farming Faction police will do that to you).
Avoid missions against any of the primary factions.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1270
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:43:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yeah the whole Faction standing thing isn't terribly well explained anywhere in the client. I absolutely tanked my gallente/minmitar standing early on (farming Faction police will do that to you).
Avoid missions against any of the primary factions.
Since we are currently updating the NPE, I'll add that to the list.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Vekitsu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.11.27 00:53:20 -
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Okay, the Faction thing makes since to me and something I'll be watching out for. I did notice passing thru an area where all the police appeared red.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1722
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Posted - 2016.11.27 01:05:15 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote: Apparently you do not want to attempt all the missions offered to you or you will **** off your neighbours and they will attack you when travelling through their space unless you magically knew in advance to train a skill - Diplomacy to the 4th level. On the flip side the people here have been very helpful in finding out what happened and informing you how to avoid bad things in the future.
Some of these kind of mistakes can be gotten around by doing some reading or watching some videos but there is no way around having to take your lumps in this game to learn from them.
Most of the time things like what happened to you are what give you a hint as to what questions to ask and what information to go looking for. This is a big part of why we tell you to not undock in something unless you are comfortable with loosing it. This is far from the only lesson that you will have to learn the hard way. Eve is not a themepark MMO and CCP does not believe in padding everything to make is soft and comfy so when you stumble it's not so painful. They often go the other direction and throw sharp pieces of broken glass around.
If you can get used to learning from your mistakes you will do very well in this game. After all the definition of experience is learning from one's mistakes. However I have a hard time considering something a mistake when you have learned a valuable lesson from it. |

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1722
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Posted - 2016.11.27 01:14:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yeah the whole Faction standing thing isn't terribly well explained anywhere in the client. I absolutely tanked my gallente/minmitar standing early on (farming Faction police will do that to you).
Avoid missions against any of the primary factions.
Another option is to move to low or null sec and run missions for pirate factions and don't care what your high sec standings are. Pirate factions don't have police.
Everything in this game is about choices and consequences.
Completely off topic... My cousin introduced me to this game. When I first started he was on ventrillo with me every night, answering questions and holding my hand through much of high sec living. Even with that, a year into this game I still felt like a complete noob and still didn't have the confidence to fit my own ship without running past 2 or 3 more experienced players. Even now years later there is still entire aspects to this game that I am completely ignorant too. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19287
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Posted - 2016.11.27 01:31:29 -
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Good judgment comes from experience, that largely comes from Poor judgement.
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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2016.11.27 02:49:24 -
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STEREODOG Rules wrote:After playing this game for 2 months and finally getting a Hyperion I tried a level 4 mission and lost my ship - it happens and I ground out enough credits again to get another one only to have it destroyed within seconds in a "safe" area while approaching a jump point. Foolish of me to think it was safe and I might be protected by the guardians of the jump point. As a new player I could not yet afford the insurance so I was staying to the "safe" areas and also avoiding level 4 missions. Thanks to players that killed my ship in a safe area I will now give up on this game as it is impossible to compete against long time players in better ships that just troll the safe areas.
PS: can I have my money back?
Gankers will make fun of you, they will insult you, they will sa "EVE is not your thing, go play Hello Kitty"
They have been saying this for a long time and now we are at F2P because theres just not enough of people like you to support the game anymore.
Try EVE Online for FREE with 250.000 extra skill points here!
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Baggo Hammers
326
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Posted - 2016.11.27 03:05:51 -
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Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:STEREODOG Rules wrote:After playing this game for 2 months and finally getting a Hyperion I tried a level 4 mission and lost my ship - it happens and I ground out enough credits again to get another one only to have it destroyed within seconds in a "safe" area while approaching a jump point. Foolish of me to think it was safe and I might be protected by the guardians of the jump point. As a new player I could not yet afford the insurance so I was staying to the "safe" areas and also avoiding level 4 missions. Thanks to players that killed my ship in a safe area I will now give up on this game as it is impossible to compete against long time players in better ships that just troll the safe areas.
PS: can I have my money back? Gankers are cowards. They avoid Null/Low Sec because they can't fight people who fight back. The real PVPers. They are poor skilled players who rely on easy kills. They are the greatest carebears of EVE playing safe always, Even miners know they are risking in High Sec, but gankers, they have zero risk. Their cheap frigates/destroyers can be replaced instantly. Some of them will make fun of you here, they will insult you, they will say "EVE is not your thing, go play Hello Kitty". They have been saying this for a long time, they have been driving away players from EVE for years and the subscription numbers finally fell so low that CCP decided to go F2P. But what CCP failed to see is that this zero risk for gankers is what brought the game to need F2P. But F2P wont save the game because the problem didn't go away.
Did you bother reading to the part where it turned out to be NPCS?
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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