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Mael Duakal
Gallente
Minds Of Space
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:20:00 -
[31]
You said, that you lost a Hel under construction... shouldn¦t you include that in the losses? Or is the only thing lost the time that was needed to build it until it was destroyed and the components are still here for the next try? Never built a mothership, so i have honestly no clue 
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:29:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Max Hammer
Originally by: Shin Ra
I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...
Look who is speaking a Corp that have only one thing to boost about and that is numbers from ganking npcers.
Awesome job MC as alwayes
heh, how brown can your nose get. While a comparison with EDF is perhaps going rather far  , there is a certain truth to it. In a war with 10+ alliances on each side, as we are currently seeing, statistics from any 1 alliance will be pretty distorted as to what is really going on.
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In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:32:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Mael Duakal
You said, that you lost a Hel under construction... shouldn¦t you include that in the losses? Or is the only thing lost the time that was needed to build it until it was destroyed and the components are still here for the next try? Never built a mothership, so i have honestly no clue
He stated quite clearly it was lost. Since it wasnt a "killmail" and only "killmails" were included the stats are understandable. All other kills / losses (hel and POS's) were disclosed for full transparency.
Nice stats and you have some excellent partners in SERA.
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DeckardIRL
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:33:00 -
[34]
Nice write up.
Nice work.
Sorry we didn't get to P-2 but I am hoping we make the next trip up.
Deck
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Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Kiell Amor
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:40:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Seleene
MC Borealis
As a former northern ISS member this name gave me a nice warm feeling...
Dont you agree that "MC Cassini" would sound so much better though!
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Rhamnousia
Caldari
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:43:00 -
[36]
impressive stats ... and damn nice write up, sel.
P.S. Sauron Starcrusher's a noob, and he knows it. (just wanna get that out. lol)
u should write a war novel on what went down .. damn! worth buying imo.. but that's just me. plus u prolly wont find any time to write it anyway.
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Amith Silvermoon
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.04 14:49:00 -
[37]
\o/ Our main's own 
GJ MC
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Everyday Combat - A Littlest Hobos Movie |
Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:00:00 -
[38]
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
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Heinky
Amarr
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:12:00 -
[39]
Nice stats.
Cant wait until my Avatar is finished then we will really start the fun 
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Amith Silvermoon
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:16:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.
And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
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Everyday Combat - A Littlest Hobos Movie |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:17:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/04/2007 15:18:51
I admit that I had already forgotten that you have a contract.
( Anyway, nice report. I assume tearing the heart out of your opponents is still on your to-do list. I still try to find the right interpretation for the banner. Or is it BoB lying there, evil goon taking the heart and McBuffy ready to step in ? But that is too far from reality. ^^)
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Dalanoria
sPaCeBaLlS tHe cOrP
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:18:00 -
[42]
If those numbers are correct, the Coalition needs to FIRE theyre FC's ASAP.
Why do BOB and MC take less then 1/5th the losses their opponents do ? Because they have awsome FC's...Who wins the tourneys ?
The north is allowing crappy strategists to lead them to doom repeatedly.Just because you have the resources to wasite doesnt meen you have to take HUGE one sided losses vs MC and BOB..
Yah you guys can kick everyone elses butt's, but look like nubs vs those two..
But what do I know, im in a one man corp so i must be a alt..I was never in D2 was I....
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:28:00 -
[43]
If max wore a beanie he would look like a mushroom tip true story!
other than that bleh no need to beat a dead horse
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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ispyozs
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:29:00 -
[44]
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:31:00 -
[45]
Originally by: ispyozs
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Burn eden dont win wars they are just great at makeing peopel anoyed.
Capitals wins wars.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Heinky
Amarr
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:40:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: ispyozs
Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])
Burn eden dont win wars they are just great at makeing peopel anoyed.
Capitals wins wars.
Burn eden dont try to win wars.
This thread is about mc good stats anyway so keep it that way 
Dont see how it matters if they killed people with some bob and put it in their stats, its still a kill they are involved in while doing their conntract.
MC kill
BE kill
Both parties post stats to show what they can do , so if others think its bad stats or something then just post your own and laugh at us.
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:45:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.
And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
I beleive what he is saying is that MC should only post the killmails where THEY were the only ones on it. That's pretty daft. If you judge MC by this idea, then you need to hold up EVERY corp/alliance up to the same standards. What difference does it make? A kill is a kill. Check out all the killmails in this conflict and you will see that everyone has several different corps/alliances on them.
This is true for everyone in this war. BoB/MC/RISE/D2/Razor/Morsus Mihi/Sparta you name it. You can't sit there and invalidate a killmail just because there are several different alliances who participated in a killmail.
If you use that test to judge if it should be included in stats, then that means 90% of the killmails in this war are irrelevant.
"No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:48:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.
And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
Its very simple.
Imagine you have 2 sides, A and B. Each side has 10 alliances, and a fleet consists of 10 pilots of each of the alliances in either alliance. So basically, 2 fleets of 100 ships squaring off against each other.
Fleet fight ensues, its a bloody slaughter, Side A loses 80 ships, side B loses all 100. Now we take alliance X who is part of Side A. They lost 8 ships in the fight, and participated in the killing of say 80 of the enemy ships. Mostly just with a ship or two on the killmail, but they participated.
If said alliance X looks at their killboard stats, they will have 8 losses for 80 kills. \o/ 10-1 K/D Ratio, they're uber. Quafe for everyone. If you look at the whole picture though, it turns from a massacre (10-1 K/D) into a bloody fight (10-8 KD).
That is the principal point. Now it is hard to tell to which extent this has happened. MC might very well have done half their kills alone, but that information is not present. As such, the killboard statistics, while technically probably correct, can be very misleading.
The reference to EDF was because EDF did something similar in comparing their killstats in the BoB-ASCN war. While MC is an alliance, where EDF was only a corp, there is no principal difference there. MC now, as EDF then, is only a part of the total force on their side.
Note that I am not saying MC didn't achieve a good/excellent K/D ratio. I'm sure they did. But these statistics are not the way to prove that.
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In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:51:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these statf?Mà+ö¦ln+N
«ücì%í+«âò, a-xlosses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
I beleive what he is saying is that MC should only post the killmails where THEY were the only ones on it. That's pretty daft. If you judge MC by this idea, then you need to hold up EVERY corp/alliance up to the same standards. What difference does it make? A kill is a kill. Check out all the killmails in this conflict and you will see that everyone has several different corps/alliances on them.
This is true for everyone in this war. BoB/MC/RISE/D2/Razor/Morsus Mihi/Sparta you name it. You can't sit there and invalidate a killmail just because there are several different alliances who participated in a killmail.
If you use that test to judge if it should be included in stats, then that means 90% of the killmails in this war are irrelevant.
Ideally you would have 1 killboard where all of the Coalition puts all its kills and deaths, and another KB where BoB, MC etc put all their kills and deaths. Then you have a valid picture.
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In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
mr bighelmet
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:57:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.
And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
Its very simple.
Imagine you have 2 sides, A and B. Each side has 10 alliances, and a fleet consists of 10 pilots of each of the alliances in either alliance. So basically, 2 fleets of 100 ships squaring off against each other.
Fleet fight ensues, its a bloody slaughter, Side A loses 80 ships, side B loses all 100. Now we take alliance X who is part of Side A. They lost 8 ships in the fight, and participated in the killing of say 80 of the enemy ships. Mostly just with a ship or two on the killmail, but they participated.
If said alliance X looks at their killboard stats, they will have 8 losses for 80 kills. \o/ 10-1 K/D Ratio, they're uber. Quafe for everyone. If you look at the whole picture though, it turns from a massacre (10-1 K/D) into a bloody fight (10-8 KD).
That is the principal point. Now it is hard to tell to which extent this has happened. MC might very well have done half their kills alone, but that information is not present. As such, the killboard statistics, while technically probably correct, can be very misleading.
The reference to EDF was because EDF did something similar in comparing their killstats in the BoB-ASCN war. While MC is an alliance, where EDF was only a corp, there is no principal difference there. MC now, as EDF then, is only a part of the total force on their side.
Note that I am not saying MC didn't achieve a good/excellent K/D ratio. I'm sure they did. But these statistics are not the way to prove that.
From what i seen MC post killmails where MC pilot got the kill mail (i.e. they laid the Kill blow) as long as other alliance/corp in there side do the same then each kill is only counted once.
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.04.04 15:59:00 -
[51]
Only thing you'd need is a killboard which divides the value of the kill between all involved parties and only counts that value for your alliance/player.
regards
c0rn1
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britishfish
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:08:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30
Originally by: Shin Ra
I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...
As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.
Evil Pookie is hot. 
i almost choked watching that vid hahahaha awsome stuff 
"Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...."
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:17:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.
And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
Its very simple.
Imagine you have 2 sides, A and B. Each side has 10 alliances, and a fleet consists of 10 pilots of each of the alliances in either alliance. So basically, 2 fleets of 100 ships squaring off against each other.
Fleet fight ensues, its a bloody slaughter, Side A loses 80 ships, side B loses all 100. Now we take alliance X who is part of Side A. They lost 8 ships in the fight, and participated in the killing of say 80 of the enemy ships. Mostly just with a ship or two on the killmail, but they participated.
If said alliance X looks at their killboard stats, they will have 8 losses for 80 kills. \o/ 10-1 K/D Ratio, they're uber. Quafe for everyone. If you look at the whole picture though, it turns from a massacre (10-1 K/D) into a bloody fight (10-8 KD).
Note that I am not saying MC didn't achieve a good/excellent K/D ratio. I'm sure they did. But these statistics are not the way to prove that.
To reiterate the obvious cause there will be people who still don't get it...
MC and Nothern Coaltion go at it in a single battle. D2 kills 10 ships and loses 6. MM kills the same 10 ships and loses 4. IRON kills same 10 ships and loses 5. RZR kills the same 10 ships and loses 7. (by kills same ship I mean that the entity appears on the killmail)
Each alliance can boast that they had a positive kill ratio vs MC. MC can boast the same on each alliance in the coaltion. The truth is that MC's ratio was 10:6 while the Northern coaltion's as a whole was 10:22.
Nyack makes a good point but we must also keep in mind that we simply can't ignore the stats either. They might not paint a pretty picture but the stick figures will do...for now.
disclaimer: I'm in no way implying the coaltion loses to MC or opposite, this example was used for the sake of simplicity.
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:17:00 -
[54]
I R number 2 prostitute in all kazikstan!
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:18:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
Originally by: Nyack
seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..
for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..
So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these statf?Mà+ö¦ln+N
«ücì%í+«âò, a-xlosses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.
We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.
Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont
I beleive what he is saying is that MC should only post the killmails where THEY were the only ones on it. That's pretty daft. If you judge MC by this idea, then you need to hold up EVERY corp/alliance up to the same standards. What difference does it make? A kill is a kill. Check out all the killmails in this conflict and you will see that everyone has several different corps/alliances on them.
This is true for everyone in this war. BoB/MC/RISE/D2/Razor/Morsus Mihi/Sparta you name it. You can't sit there and invalidate a killmail just because there are several different alliances who participated in a killmail.
If you use that test to judge if it should be included in stats, then that means 90% of the killmails in this war are irrelevant.
Ideally you would have 1 killboard where all of the Coalition puts all its kills and deaths, and another KB where BoB, MC etc put all their kills and deaths. Then you have a valid picture.
OK I see what you mean. It would be nice to have a KB devoted to either side of the war with all participating alliances and corps listed. But I don't really see all of them agreeing to fund and host one for their respective sides.
"No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai |
Indiano Arko
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Ideally you would have 1 killboard where all of the Coalition puts all its kills and deaths, and another KB where BoB, MC etc put all their kills and deaths. Then you have a valid picture.
Talking aside ideally would be to have one and only one provided by CCP killboard. No killmails: kill happened, kill registered in the database on a server side. Killboard shows a kills based on a central database information. Simple and effective.
On topic: very impressive MC! Keep it going. o7
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hantwo
S.A.S
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:25:00 -
[57]
i prefer BE topics atleast they are funny
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Peter Armstrong
Caldari
5punkorp
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:30:00 -
[58]
Originally by: 0August0
I think MC is dead as a mercenary outfit. I can't imagine anyone outside of BoB ever hiring you again.
you for real? MC will always be around to be hired to do some good professional work.
MC only die when they retired but i dont see that happening
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:36:00 -
[59]
Edited by: DHB WildCat on 04/04/2007 16:32:46
Well considering that a LOT of your time is spent doing logistics, the amount of kills you have in the time period stated is quite impressive. Good show, and yes one of those Battleship kills was my Raven... so gf even if it did take a 30 man support gang and 4 carriers to finally kill me lol.
WildCat
*Edit* I forgot to mention that I took down two of you before you got me, so Im still winning in K/D ratio lol!
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Fzoul
Steel Frontier
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 16:37:00 -
[60]
Posts about whether you are a "true mercenary force" aside, excellent job, MC.
If you guys do not take contracts that go against BoB, so what, that's your choice. If people say that no one will use you because of that, then it's likely their loss, as the stats show the level of lethality you can bring.
See you out there... wait, we already do! :)
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