Originally by: Noluck Ned

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*Notify* Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for overlord to respawn

Originally by: Kaeten

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Kinda sad that MC will never be a true mercenary outfit, as they can't take contracts against everyone.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Max Hammer

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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Look who is speaking a Corp that have only one thing to boost about and that is numbers from ganking npcers.

Awesome job MC as alwayes

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Originally by: Mael Duakal

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You said, that you lost a Hel under construction... shouldn¦t you include that in the losses? Or is the only thing lost the time that was needed to build it until it was destroyed and the components are still here for the next try? Never built a mothership, so i have honestly no clue

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Originally by: Seleene

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MC Borealis

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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Originally by: ispyozs

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: ispyozs

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Burn eden dont win wars they are just great at makeing peopel anoyed.

Capitals wins wars.

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Originally by: Amith Silvermoon

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.

And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.

We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.

Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont

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Originally by: Amith Silvermoon

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.

And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.

We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.

Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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Originally by: Amith Silvermoon

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these statf?Mà+ö¦ln+N
«ücì%í+«âò,a-xlosses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.

We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.

Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont

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I beleive what he is saying is that MC should only post the killmails where THEY were the only ones on it. That's pretty daft. If you judge MC by this idea, then you need to hold up EVERY corp/alliance up to the same standards. What difference does it make? A kill is a kill. Check out all the killmails in this conflict and you will see that everyone has several different corps/alliances on them.

This is true for everyone in this war. BoB/MC/RISE/D2/Razor/Morsus Mihi/Sparta you name it. You can't sit there and invalidate a killmail just because there are several different alliances who participated in a killmail.

If you use that test to judge if it should be included in stats, then that means 90% of the killmails in this war are irrelevant.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Amith Silvermoon

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.

And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.

We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.

Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont

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Its very simple.

Imagine you have 2 sides, A and B. Each side has 10 alliances, and a fleet consists of 10 pilots of each of the alliances in either alliance. So basically, 2 fleets of 100 ships squaring off against each other.

Fleet fight ensues, its a bloody slaughter, Side A loses 80 ships, side B loses all 100. Now we take alliance X who is part of Side A. They lost 8 ships in the fight, and participated in the killing of say 80 of the enemy ships. Mostly just with a ship or two on the killmail, but they participated.

If said alliance X looks at their killboard stats, they will have 8 losses for 80 kills. \o/ 10-1 K/D Ratio, they're uber. Quafe for everyone. If you look at the whole picture though, it turns from a massacre (10-1 K/D) into a bloody fight (10-8 KD).

That is the principal point. Now it is hard to tell to which extent this has happened. MC might very well have done half their kills alone, but that information is not present. As such, the killboard statistics, while technically probably correct, can be very misleading.

The reference to EDF was because EDF did something similar in comparing their killstats in the BoB-ASCN war. While MC is an alliance, where EDF was only a corp, there is no principal difference there. MC now, as EDF then, is only a part of the total force on their side.

Note that I am not saying MC didn't achieve a good/excellent K/D ratio. I'm sure they did. But these statistics are not the way to prove that.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Amith Silvermoon

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these stats pointless.

And for the losses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.

We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.

Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont

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Its very simple.

Imagine you have 2 sides, A and B. Each side has 10 alliances, and a fleet consists of 10 pilots of each of the alliances in either alliance. So basically, 2 fleets of 100 ships squaring off against each other.

Fleet fight ensues, its a bloody slaughter, Side A loses 80 ships, side B loses all 100. Now we take alliance X who is part of Side A. They lost 8 ships in the fight, and participated in the killing of say 80 of the enemy ships. Mostly just with a ship or two on the killmail, but they participated.

If said alliance X looks at their killboard stats, they will have 8 losses for 80 kills. \o/ 10-1 K/D Ratio, they're uber. Quafe for everyone. If you look at the whole picture though, it turns from a massacre (10-1 K/D) into a bloody fight (10-8 KD).

Note that I am not saying MC didn't achieve a good/excellent K/D ratio. I'm sure they did. But these statistics are not the way to prove that.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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Originally by: Amith Silvermoon

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Originally by: Nyack

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seelene you should have stuck to the text part of your report. the kill stats are only nonsense. most of the kills will have outbreak and bob stats combined. where as your losses will not be the total of your allies. so considering that you have infact taken rather heavy losses in these campaigns..

for example if you look at individual entities within the coalition you coudl prolly dig up some awesome stats aswell. only post kill stats when you are solo on a campaign and not with BOB or Outbreak..

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So your basiclly asking the to post stats and only have Mc pilots on the Killmail. They are working along side there contractor hardly make these statf?Mà+ö¦ln+N
«ücì%í+«âò,a-xlosses ok dont know what your getting at, these are the mc kill/loss ratio not including Bob/outbreak and the rest.

We are looking at MC as a individual entitie not the whole Bob camp.

Does anyone understand what he asking because i dont

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I beleive what he is saying is that MC should only post the killmails where THEY were the only ones on it. That's pretty daft. If you judge MC by this idea, then you need to hold up EVERY corp/alliance up to the same standards. What difference does it make? A kill is a kill. Check out all the killmails in this conflict and you will see that everyone has several different corps/alliances on them.

This is true for everyone in this war. BoB/MC/RISE/D2/Razor/Morsus Mihi/Sparta you name it. You can't sit there and invalidate a killmail just because there are several different alliances who participated in a killmail.

If you use that test to judge if it should be included in stats, then that means 90% of the killmails in this war are irrelevant.

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Ideally you would have 1 killboard where all of the Coalition puts all its kills and deaths, and another KB where BoB, MC etc put all their kills and deaths. Then you have a valid picture.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Ideally you would have 1 killboard where all of the Coalition puts all its kills and deaths, and another KB where BoB, MC etc put all their kills and deaths. Then you have a valid picture.

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Originally by: 0August0

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I think MC is dead as a mercenary outfit. I can't imagine anyone outside of BoB ever hiring you again.

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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Originally by: Alha Qmar

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How many devs do you have in MC?

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Quote:

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I'll send you 10k ingame when I get a chance and you can go buy some named clues

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Originally by: c0rn1

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Edited by: c0rn1 on 04/04/2007 16:55:19

Originally by: Alha Qmar

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How many devs do you have in MC?

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There's a coherent question to your question:
Of how many cells consists your brain?

Same answer:

None.

Regards

c0rn1

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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Originally by: Xeliya

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Edited by: Xeliya on 04/04/2007 17:46:52

Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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orly?

Taken from D2 killboard under your active Campaigns

Name - Start date - Kills - ISK (M) - Losses - ISK (M)Efficiency
YouNoob - 2007-03-06 - 170 - 6180.13 - 89 - 10955.78 - 36.07%
Fountain of Tears - 2007-02-09 - 3259 - 99512.72 - 1317137191.6 - 42.04%
BOB in Fountain - 2007-02-01 - 248 - 14811.18 - 239102220.57 - 12.66%
MC 'dec - 2007-01-25 - 76 - 3056.18 - 304 - 25582.02 - 10.67%
BOB overall - 2000-00-00 - 929 - 41172.37 - 818 - 155820.39 - 20.9%

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Originally by: Xeliya

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Edited by: Xeliya on 04/04/2007 17:46:52

Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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orly?

Taken from D2 killboard under your active Campaigns

Name - Start date - Kills - ISK (M) - Losses - ISK (M)Efficiency
YouNoob - 2007-03-06 - 170 - 6180.13 - 89 - 10955.78 - 36.07%
Fountain of Tears - 2007-02-09 - 3259 - 99512.72 - 1317137191.6 - 42.04%
BOB in Fountain - 2007-02-01 - 248 - 14811.18 - 239102220.57 - 12.66%
MC 'dec - 2007-01-25 - 76 - 3056.18 - 304 - 25582.02 - 10.67%
BOB overall - 2000-00-00 - 929 - 41172.37 - 818 - 155820.39 - 20.9%

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Originally by: Seleene

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A Fatal Encounter

We then accepted a short contract to assist Fatal Alliance in the new regions and, along with Outbreak, succeeded in becoming the first to down a mothership in EVE.

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Originally by: Heinky

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: ispyozs

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Burn eden dont win wars they are just great at makeing peopel anoyed.

Capitals wins wars.

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Burn eden dont try to win wars.

This thread is about mc good stats anyway so keep it that way

Dont see how it matters if they killed people with some bob and put it in their stats, its still a kill they are involved in while doing their conntract.

MC kill
BE kill

Both parties post stats to show what they can do , so if others think its bad stats or something then just post your own and laugh at us.

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: Nymos

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Edited by: Nymos on 04/04/2007 18:08:01

Originally by: Seleene

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A Fatal Encounter

We then accepted a short contract to assist Fatal Alliance in the new regions and, along with Outbreak, succeeded in becoming the first to down a mothership in EVE.

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I thought IAC lost a nyx some time ago? there was lots of "it was a valid kill" vs "the pilot's client desync'd and was already at a pos on his client while he was still at a gate serverside".

edit: rofl just watched that BE movie :)

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: maGz

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Is this post an attempt at convincing yourself that you're still mercenaries?

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Nymos

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Edited by: Nymos on 04/04/2007 18:08:01

Originally by: Seleene

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A Fatal Encounter

We then accepted a short contract to assist Fatal Alliance in the new regions and, along with Outbreak, succeeded in becoming the first to down a mothership in EVE.

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I thought IAC lost a nyx some time ago? there was lots of "it was a valid kill" vs "the pilot's client desync'd and was already at a pos on his client while he was still at a gate serverside".

edit: rofl just watched that BE movie :)

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IAC did losse a nyx as well it was the 2ed mothership to go down.

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Originally by: 0August0

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I think MC is dead as a mercenary outfit. I can't imagine anyone outside of BoB ever hiring you again.

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Originally by: 0August0

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I think MC is dead as a mercenary outfit. I can't imagine anyone outside of BoB ever hiring you again.

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Originally by: Xeliya

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Edited by: Xeliya on 04/04/2007 17:46:52

Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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orly?

Taken from D2 killboard under your active Campaigns

Name - Start date - Kills - ISK (M) - Losses - ISK (M)Efficiency
YouNoob - 2007-03-06 - 170 - 6180.13 - 89 - 10955.78 - 36.07%
Fountain of Tears - 2007-02-09 - 3259 - 99512.72 - 1317137191.6 - 42.04%
BOB in Fountain - 2007-02-01 - 248 - 14811.18 - 239102220.57 - 12.66%
MC 'dec - 2007-01-25 - 76 - 3056.18 - 304 - 25582.02 - 10.67%
BOB overall - 2000-00-00 - 929 - 41172.37 - 818 - 155820.39 - 20.9%

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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Edited by: Fabrezio on 04/04/2007 19:50:40
Simple math lesson:

A positive number is a number greater than zero (no, zero is not positive).

K / D
BOB in Fountain2007-02-01248 239 <-- positive
BOB overall2000-00-00929 818 <--- positive
Chokepoint PVP2000-00-008200 1128 <-- still positive
Homeland Security 1000-00-008165 3664 <-- really positive
Global Efficiency 0000-00-0045197 12752 <-- ridiculously positive

What people fail to realize is though, lets say, britain, is doing well, poland has been partitioned and your french allies don't know which end of the rifle you actually shoot from.

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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Edited by: Fabrezio on 04/04/2007 19:50:57
Edited by: Fabrezio on 04/04/2007 19:50:49
Simple math lesson:

A positive number is a number greater than zero (no, zero is not positive).

K / D
BOB in Fountain2007-02-01248 239 <-- positive
BOB overall2000-00-00929 818 <--- positive
Chokepoint PVP2000-00-008200 1128 <-- still positive
Homeland Security 1000-00-008165 3664 <-- really positive
Global Efficiency 0000-00-0045197 12752 <-- ridiculously positive

What people fail to realize is though, lets say, britain, is doing well, poland has been partitioned and your french allies don't know which end of the rifle you actually shoot from.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Add one carrier from MC, to each gang of your coalition. Receive boost of effiency like 500% or smth. I know, its happened to me many times ago. 5 fractions killing aAa drednought. All who made on killmail = happily ctrl + c, ctrl + v on their own boards. Everyone is happy, xept me ofc

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Add one carrier from MC, to each gang of your coalition. Receive boost of effiency like 500% or smth. I know, its happened to me many times ago. 5 fractions killing aAa drednought. All who made on killmail = happily ctrl + c, ctrl + v on their own boards. Everyone is happy, xept me ofc

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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Simple math lesson:

A positive number is a number greater than zero (no, zero is not positive).

K / D
BOB in Fountain2007-02-01248 239 <-- positive
BOB overall2000-00-00929 818 <--- positive
Chokepoint PVP2000-00-008200 1128 <-- still positive
Homeland Security 1000-00-008165 3664 <-- really positive
Global Efficiency 0000-00-0045197 12752 <-- ridiculously positive

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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Originally by: Kiell Amor

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Originally by: Seleene

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MC Borealis

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As a former northern ISS member this name gave me a nice warm feeling...

Dont you agree that "MC Cassini" would sound so much better though!

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Originally by: nickycakes

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YEW GAIZ MUST NOTT B TRU MERKS BEKUZ YEW LIV NEER BOB LOLLL ANDD DATT MAKS U NOT NUTRAL LOL!!11

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The exact same thing happens with FIX: whenever we fight a battle with Band of Brothers, we get a whole bunch of kills that were really only 30% or 50% or 70% ours, but none of the BoB losses count on our board.

Its a flaw in the concept itself that honestly needs to be fixed; perhaps killboards could count a kill based on the percentage of those on the killmail who were of the alliance who owns the board?

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Originally by: Seleene

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Closing Statement

While we have not done all of the above alone, we've been on our own much more than many might suspect. We're in the middle of a war unlike anything else EVE has ever seen. MC pilots and Fleet Commanders have been we have been pivotal in the planning and execution of operations that now span nearly the entire EVE map.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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That is the principal point. Now it is hard to tell to which extent this has happened. MC might very well have done half their kills alone, but that information is not present. As such, the killboard statistics, while technically probably correct, can be very misleading.

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Originally by: Valkazm

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I have full respect for MC ..
The only thing is your not merc¦s anymore im sure this will be updated one day as the 1 year contract...

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Fabrezio

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It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).

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So true.

For example, if I go to an IRON board, I'll find IRON losses (obviously) and IRON kills... plus the kills that were made whenever they were in a joint gang with an ally.

So even if IRON made up 20% of a gang, I'd get all the kills from that gang that included at least one IRON member on the board.

Suddenly their kill number explodes but their losses stay the same, as non-IRON losses aren't counted.

The exact same thing happens with FIX: whenever we fight a battle with Band of Brothers, we get a whole bunch of kills that were really only 30% or 50% or 70% ours, but none of the BoB losses count on our board.

Its a flaw in the concept itself that honestly needs to be fixed; perhaps killboards could count a kill based on the percentage of those on the killmail who were of the alliance who owns the board?

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Originally by: Mark Lucius

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Edited by: Mark Lucius on 04/04/2007 17:15:59
Seleene, I think you forgot the fighters...


*gust of wind; tumbleweed*


Yeah ok, I'll undock again to receive the punishment for bad jokes....

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Originally by: Hamatitio

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"Oregon Trail ALliance [Wagon]"

Description: You Caught Malaria and died.

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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I'm a little slow, so what your saying is, corps and alliances that fly with other corps and alliances tend to artificially get better looking stats. Because they get the kills from both groups but only their losses are applied to the kill/death ratio. Wow, so would I be right in thinking that our stats are all that more impressive as we dont fly with anyone else? Anti-social malcontents FTW!

Luv Pookie

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Very nice stats.

There is only one thing that I must add, during MC operations you lost a MS with 8 days to completion. If you post kills/losses taken during AAA defense you should alsow add that loss.

Anyway impressive stats. Congratulations.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Very nice stats.

There is only one thing that I must add, during MC operations you lost a MS with 8 days to completion. If you post kills/losses taken during AAA defense you should alsow add that loss.

Anyway impressive stats. Congratulations.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Very nice stats.

There is only one thing that I must add, during MC operations you lost a MS with 8 days to completion. If you post kills/losses taken during AAA defense you should alsow add that loss.

Anyway impressive stats. Congratulations.

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Originally by: Eleese

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We've also killed many pos's with a value probably close to that of the mom loss. And plus not like we have been hiding the fact we lost a mom no?

Either way I look at stats as good stats general means someone has fought back and there has been fun to be had for everyone involved.

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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Iskies? I'll send him an open invitation to join us!

Luv Pookie

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Originally by: Danari

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Count final blows. End of problem. 'Participations' is a curiosity only and worthless with regard to comparisons between pilots, corps or alliancese.

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Originally by: Izzy Pol

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Originally by: Danari

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Count final blows. End of problem. 'Participations' is a curiosity only and worthless with regard to comparisons between pilots, corps or alliancese.

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So a rifter that tackles a tanked blasterthron and gets the final blow even though he had no hope of killing the ship alone gets full credit?

Not good.

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Originally by: Toqua

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Would be nice to include the lost/destroyed Fighters from Carriers and MS. With values ranging around 20 Mils one nice set of Fighters for a MS has a value of 700-800 Mil... would only be fair, because everyone DOES count the kills done by fighters.

And, MC... how many of these did you loose?

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Originally by: Toqua

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Would be nice to include the lost/destroyed Fighters from Carriers and MS. With values ranging around 20 Mils one nice set of Fighters for a MS has a value of 700-800 Mil... would only be fair, because everyone DOES count the kills done by fighters.

And, MC... how many of these did you loose?

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Originally by: Toqua

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Would be nice to include the lost/destroyed Fighters from Carriers and MS. With values ranging around 20 Mils one nice set of Fighters for a MS has a value of 700-800 Mil... would only be fair, because everyone DOES count the kills done by fighters.

And, MC... how many of these did you loose?

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Originally by: RemusVI

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hmm a gang of 5 BS (our group), and vs 3 carriers of MC and 10 t-2 class variants(of MC) , ..hm we are outnumerd , but still , evryone ends up saying MC fights outnumberd , outgunned , and all just happend to get ganked by MC , on their offensive wjhile we defend , it was kinda funny , when we had 5 BS agsint their , 10 T-2 , variants like ( Command SHips/ HACs / Force Recon SHips) ) , and during teh time of battle , still, already outnumebrd and outgunned , we come across , a cyno asap , and 3-4 carriers jumping in just like that , for a over kill , all i can say , MC always fights battles with , more numbers , more bigger ships , more SP pilots , allways and ganks new players , sad to see it lost its dignity in fighting same SP pilots , same numbers and same boys with big ships , this is like a evry day happening , any engagement , they send in 3 carriers minimum from the engagements i had with them.

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Edited by: RemusVI on 05/04/2007 19:11:10
well, dumping 3 carriers against a 5 BS gang already against 10 ( CS / HACs / and all whole lot of t-2 variants) ,and no doubt from the killboards ,90% of who have died are 1 year younger and more like 2 years younger , but stil fight people against with maxed out skills (MC) even being outnumberd , but anywas , as u already see 5 S , agsint t-2 group of 10 , and pulling in 3 carriers lol , its looks like MC ius realy looking forward for avoiding losses by overkiling , its like someone puts 1 bs , and a carirer is deployed to take it out lol ,just like in fantasy games , 1 50 lvl comes in , they send a 150 lvl guy to kill him , but anywas they have been , in here in eve-online long before many otehr people so hired the best in SP , and killing the new ones , raising the k/d ratio to very nice extent

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: RemusVI

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so even if we try to be in the war , the fun is only for the people who played for 3 years eh?

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: Toqua

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Would be nice to include the lost/destroyed Fighters from Carriers and MS. With values ranging around 20 Mils one nice set of Fighters for a MS has a value of 700-800 Mil... would only be fair, because everyone DOES count the kills done by fighters.

And, MC... how many of these did you loose?

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Well, from the best ways , i have checked , out , how many smart ways can 1 BS fight smarter agsint a 1 Carrier?
warp out ? before hes fighters catch on u? cud u tell me strategy that wud help 1 lonly BS fight a smarter way agasints 1 Carrier? please.

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Smartbombs wont work quikc enough , to take out the fighters at the rate of DPS they have on u , in short u have to say , dont fight , "always run" never fight , meaning quit the game , u came into the game way too late to start of eve? and run to boring empire otherwise stay carebear for life coz every day u train they who joined earlier will always stay ahead of u , except in terms of money which can only make difference in terms of dedication into putting the number of hours getting isk , but no doubt , big boys already have the best places to make isk so they cud over tkae us in matter of minutes

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I'll send you 10k ingame when I get a chance and you can go buy some named clues

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Smartbombs wont work quikc enough , to take out the fighters at the rate of DPS they have on u , in short u have to say , dont fight , "always run" never fight , meaning quit the game , u came into the game way too late to start of eve? and run to boring empire otherwise stay carebear for life coz every day u train they who joined earlier will always stay ahead of u , except in terms of money which can only make difference in terms of dedication into putting the number of hours getting isk , but no doubt , big boys already have the best places to make isk so they cud over tkae us in matter of minutes

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Smartbombs wont work quikc enough , to take out the fighters at the rate of DPS they have on u , in short u have to say , dont fight , "always run" never fight , meaning quit the game , u came into the game way too late to start of eve? and run to boring empire otherwise stay carebear for life coz every day u train they who joined earlier will always stay ahead of u , except in terms of money which can only make difference in terms of dedication into putting the number of hours getting isk , but no doubt , big boys already have the best places to make isk so they cud over tkae us in matter of minutes

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Adam Weishaupt

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The ISS KB was set up to punish pilots for losing ships, and award only partial credit for kills depending on the number of ships involved. It was (is?) the 'fairest' KB in existence, although towards the end I think gangs of kill-whoring destroyer pilots started taking advantage of it.

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Smartbombs wont work quikc enough , to take out the fighters at the rate of DPS they have on u , in short u have to say , dont fight , "always run" never fight , meaning quit the game , u came into the game way too late to start of eve? and run to boring empire otherwise stay carebear for life coz every day u train they who joined earlier will always stay ahead of u , except in terms of money which can only make difference in terms of dedication into putting the number of hours getting isk , but no doubt , big boys already have the best places to make isk so they cud over tkae us in matter of minutes

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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka

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n00bs, BE have better statz! ;>

gj

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Originally by: Aiden Carlyle

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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka

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n00bs, BE have better statz! ;>

gj

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Taking contracts aganst several alliances including use, maintenance and logistics of a capital fleet is not quite the same as picking a random region and going and ganking the local npcers for a few days.

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Originally by: Ratamnim Natas

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Didnt they take a D2 carrier from a pilot that ejected as well?

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Originally by: Seleene

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Cipher7

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Its like if the Imperial Star Destroyers flew past the X-Wing fighters and started flying circles around them, it would turn Star Wars into a slapstick comedy a-la Benny Hill instead

Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb

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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 07/04/2007 22:01:47
I did the "movie-film" for a quick laugh. It's not that good, but I said the same thing about CONCORDOKKEN'd when I made that one too. My stuff is all in good fun, BE aren't bad guys they're just misunderstood (that's why I used the subtitles).

Edit - Note my last kill on my "BOB-FANBOIS SIG".

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Originally by: Manfred Sideous

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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WOW Seleene Just put the " BURN " in BE.

LOLORSKATES

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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OHMYGODBESTMOVIEEVER

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Originally by: Seleene

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Cythrawl

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Edited by: Cythrawl on 06/04/2007 00:15:44

Originally by: RemusVI

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Smartbombs wont work quikc enough , to take out the fighters at the rate of DPS they have on u , in short u have to say , dont fight , "always run" never fight , meaning quit the game , u came into the game way too late to start of eve? and run to boring empire otherwise stay carebear for life coz every day u train they who joined earlier will always stay ahead of u , except in terms of money which can only make difference in terms of dedication into putting the number of hours getting isk , but no doubt , big boys already have the best places to make isk so they cud over tkae us in matter of minutes

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Ok, you sir have no idea how to fight. Let me give you an example of something you could use to full affect against a carrier group with little risk beyond the obvious.

Armageddons. 6 of them all fitted with 7 smartbombs. All thermal larges. Midslots with medium cap injectors. Double warp core stabbed. 3 armor plates and 3 thermal hardeners. Warp in at range. Cluster around each other. Wait for the fighters to engage and close range. Enjoy the explosions while you rip through them and warp everyone off to a safespot and cloak if you have the room/skill to fit a cloak.

It's about knowing how to cost your enemies while limiting the danger to yourself. You can still die, but you've got a likelyhood of costing them a fortune while using cheap gear. Besides, you can insure your ships.

Now until you start thinking of solutions instead of whining like a child, save your keyboard and your punctuation and STFU.

Oh and Edit: It'd only take you about 2 months to get the skills to do this. EASILY 2 months. Never assume a character is weak just because he's only been around 6 months or so.

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Originally by: RemusVI

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Originally by: Cythrawl

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Edited by: Cythrawl on 06/04/2007 00:15:44

Originally by: RemusVI

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What guarantee , will they not deploy Snipers? ever heard of support fleets backing carriers? i am sorry if i dint mention that . The reason i only mentioned 1 bs and one 1 carrier was jsut to tell u the extent and as u said 6 geddons ok , 6 geddons first thing they wud probably snip us out or use inty's to stick at 10 clicks and web us , making us sitting ducks ready to be fried , what i was trying to make that the amount of ships they deploy to cover every aspect due to their SP and resources mainly. If i use the stuff u told me they wud proably have snipers and inty's orbitting at 10km and web/scram and if we try something else to kick the support fleet the carriers wud jump in so bascially either this or that agaisnt their numbers , SP , resources so wat it looks like ? May be u cud help out here and if u got a FRAPS of a video of ur practical work wud be pretty good .

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 04/04/2007 13:40:30

Originally by: Shin Ra

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I hear EDF has a good kill/death ratio too...

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As does BE, judging by your own thread. Oh Shin, you know we love you guys, m8.

Evil Pookie is hot.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 06/04/2007 16:35:41
OK (raps on desk with ruler) quiet at the back there! I want the culprit to step forward or there will be no further updates for you all. Who made MC's killboard primary? Causing the CPU to max out and our new hosting provider to pull the plug. Who spammed their F5 key, eh? Come on .. own up. We are not going anywhere till the guilty party steps forward!

Myn

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Originally by: Cythrawl

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Ok sir. I shouldn't even respond to this because plainly, you've not read what I wrote and don't understand how to apply what someone has told you. But I'm a glutton for punishment apparently.

One: Of course they're probably going to have support. That's why you have 3 plates which should raise a BS armor total to around 20k. That'd take an alpha strike from 10 snipers, all hitting perfectly, to kill. And you don't sit on top of the carriers. At range means outside of the risk range of a leap-frog jump. 70-80km.

Two: Intys. Inty's orbiting at 20km maybe. But with 2 warp core stabs, that'd probably eliminate the problem of being hit with scrambs. Webs make you go into warp faster anyway, so those are good things. Any inty fitting 7.5k scrambs which are 2 points tend to jump directly into smartbomb range. Dictors are the ones you have to worry about. That is the only truly dangerous ship to the entire group.

Three: I've never had to apply these tactics personally but I've been in contact directly with the results. I flew with Ushra'Khan during the seige of 9UY in which a few very brave UK pilots took smartbomb bs and tore corridors in Establishment and Co. fighter groupings while defending dreadnaughts that were seiging a hostile POS. They lost ships. But one ship cost twice it's weight in fighters. That's more than worth the trade off if you're wanting to fight back.

Sometimes its not about killmails, but about your accomplishments on the field of battle. Wars can be lost on the field of attrition.

Also, all combat has risks. Fortune favors the bold. Grow a pair.

P.S. You still need to STFU. I feel soiled looking at your text.

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Originally by: Shassandra

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Seleene, Mercenary Coalition.

I've lost ships to you, but gained immense experience. I'll meet you on the front lines, but nothing but respect from me to you!

Hats off. Now let's be fighting!

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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I think I speak for all of the MC if I say that the amount of spirit that FLA has shown has impressed our pilots.

It's a pity we're on different sides of this conflict. :)

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Originally by: Draximus Cane

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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I think I speak for all of the MC if I say that the amount of spirit that FLA has shown has impressed our pilots.

It's a pity we're on different sides of this conflict. :)

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Here, here, they fight with guts and pride not often found in eve.

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Originally by: Major Stormer

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What should the MC do?

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Make things explode.

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Originally by: PoPa

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I think you should name one of your outposts 'Donalds'... that'd be kinda fun...

MC Donalds :)

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Originally by: Evil Pookie

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pookie is philipino for vagina and native alaskan indian for a little demon that is neither good nor bad.

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Originally by: Ferocious FeAr

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Originally by: PoPa

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I think you should name one of your outposts 'Donalds'... that'd be kinda fun...

MC Donalds :)

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haha that's a good one

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