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Sarus Khan Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.12.02 16:58:49 - [1] - Quote First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 236	Posted - 2016.12.02 17:04:04 - [2] - Quote Number of ships you could fly for free pre-Ascension: 0. Number of ships you can fly for free post-Ascension: Greater than 0. Want to have your old ships back? Pay up. Don't want to pay up? Stop complaining about free stuff. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 142	Posted - 2016.12.02 17:06:52 - [3] - Quote Because previously char race was unlinked from ships while now playing a alpha is stricted linked to the race, I think it would be fair to let returning players a one time option to chose a different race from the one they previously decided.
Galaxy Duck Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing 232	Posted - 2016.12.02 17:12:31 - [4] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: Because previously char race was unlinked from ships while now playing a alpha is stricted linked to the race, I think it would be fair to let returning players a one time option to chose a different race from the one they previously decided. Dear lord. I think I might be agreeing with Lucy Lollipops.
Kojee Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten. 49	Posted - 2016.12.02 17:28:25 - [5] - Quote I swear to CHRIST I will come ***** suicide kill the next person that complains about not being able to use their favorite *** for free. I don't care where they are, I will hunt them the ** down and gank their scrub ass.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 833	Posted - 2016.12.02 17:35:38 - [6] - Quote what's the saying? If you give a mouse a cookie...
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2789	Posted - 2016.12.02 17:47:59 - [7] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game. Or you could just fly Gallente ships, which are widely regarded as the best "alpha" choice anyway. It's really hard to sympathize when you describe getting something for free as a "big kick in the nuts" because it's not 100% your favorite thing. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
mkint 1275	Posted - 2016.12.02 18:00:43 - [8] - Quote If it weren't for the "I want everything for free, and make Mexico pay for it!" people on the forums lately, I might have a little more sympathy. My position was the racial locked thing is bad because it's impossible to have a perfectly balanced game, and the response given was "oh, well then, completely throw away your in game identity, your relationships, your corp history, your standings, any progress you may have made, and start a new character." But now, I'm kinda just wanting those people to leave. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Jotunspor Aion 514 21	Posted - 2016.12.02 18:18:57 - [9] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game. Well yeah, have you not heard? Ascension brought in the Joseph Stalin "clone state" to make the game "free". Oh wait... I meant ALPHA clone, sorry.
Zanar Skwigelf Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra 63	Posted - 2016.12.02 18:50:19 - [10] - Quote Just wait until Beta clones, which is an alpha clone that can use all 4 races. $3.99/mo
Archibald Thistlewaite III The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners 1086	Posted - 2016.12.02 18:56:21 - [11] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: what's the saying? If you give a mouse a cookie... ...it'll poop chocolate chips. User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 490	Posted - 2016.12.02 19:07:08 - [12] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game. Nonsense. Embrace the chance to try something new. Re-sub when you can. Rather simple really. --Gadget Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance 396	Posted - 2016.12.02 19:07:32 - [13] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game. Wow. So the choice you made a couple years ago, has lasting consequences even to this day, huh. Eve is deep.
Ravas Geloris State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.12.02 19:52:47 - [14] - Quote Simply pay....
Wanda Fayne 312	Posted - 2016.12.02 20:32:50 - [15] - Quote Galaxy Duck wrote: Lucy Lollipops wrote: Because previously char race was unlinked from ships while now playing a alpha is stricted linked to the race, I think it would be fair to let returning players a one time option to chose a different race from the one they previously decided. Dear lord. I think I might be agreeing with Lucy Lollipops. Sucker! your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic -Lan Wang-
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 804	Posted - 2016.12.02 20:35:09 - [16] - Quote Luckily some of your Caldari skills will go nicely since they both share blaster weapon technology. Chin up fellow Capsuleer @lunettelulu7
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 584	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:02:26 - [17] - Quote In the time spent complaining about it, you could train the skills - from starter skills to cruiser level 3 shouldn't take more than 2 days for an Alpha. Both Caldari and Gallente use hybrid weapons so that shouldn't be an issue.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21646	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:21:17 - [18] - Quote You can still train those skills on this character, but you will have to resub. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 648	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:29:57 - [19] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game. Just reroll a new Caldari character. Or two. Or ten. Or just train the skills on your current character. It's free, after all, and not an especially long train, just a few months. Then you can play for free while flying your Caracal as much as you wish. (But not your Cerb nor Raven nor Golem, I hope you realize.)
Sarus Khan Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:39:31 - [20] - Quote Dark Lord Trump wrote: Number of ships you could fly for free pre-Ascension: 0. Number of ships you can fly for free post-Ascension: Greater than 0. Want to have your old ships back? Pay up. Don't want to pay up? Stop complaining about free stuff. Obviously someone who has never had to struggle a day in their life.
Sarus Khan Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:44:36 - [21] - Quote Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This is a big "kick in the nuts" that has left me extremely disappointed in this new addition to the game. Nonsense. Embrace the chance to try something new. Re-sub when you can. Rather simple really. --Gadget I will try, my point was though I can't afford any subs right now so I am going to have to take the time to train for those Gallente ships. :)
Sarus Khan Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:55:51 - [22] - Quote Slow down and read more carefully next time Monkey. I wasn't just bitching, I brought attention to a valid problem with the model and I never once said I didn't like it because it isn't my 100% favorite thing, what I did say however in the first sentence is money is tight and I can't afford a sub or that would be the very first thing I would do. Eve is one of the best games I have ever played...for many many years. Oh and BTW, I happen to like Vanilla.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 241	Posted - 2016.12.02 21:58:33 - [23] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: Dark Lord Trump wrote: Number of ships you could fly for free pre-Ascension: 0. Number of ships you can fly for free post-Ascension: Greater than 0. Want to have your old ships back? Pay up. Don't want to pay up? Stop complaining about free stuff. Obviously someone who has never had to struggle a day in their life. Whether or not I have to struggle is irrelevant. Eve used to cost money. Now you can do some things free, but have to pay if you want to do everything. You seem to want everything for free now, and that's nothing if not entitled. Pay up, deal with the restrictions, or leave. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Sarus Khan Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.12.02 22:00:57 - [24] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: Simply pay.... Yeah, um first sentence in my post my friend.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1958	Posted - 2016.12.02 22:04:16 - [25] - Quote Kojee wrote: I swear to CHRIST I will come ***** suicide kill the next person that complains about not being able to use their favorite *** for free. I don't care where they are, I will hunt them the ** down and gank their scrub ass. I'm tempted to do it just to make you visit us in 0.0 The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3725	Posted - 2016.12.02 22:14:20 - [26] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: I will try, my point was though I can't afford any subs right now so I am going to have to take the time to train for those Gallente ships. :) Welcome to the point of EVE, patience and adaptation. You appear to have forgotten these things in your time away, however hopefully you rediscover them.
Dwai Attic Caldari Provisions Caldari State 33	Posted - 2016.12.02 22:42:40 - [27] - Quote Kojee wrote: I swear to CHRIST I will come ***** suicide kill the next person that complains about not being able to use their favorite *** for free. I don't care where they are, I will hunt them the ** down and gank their scrub ass. Hello, I've just come back to Eve. My favorite ship is federation navy comet. Unfortunately, when I created this character a long, long time ago I picked Caldari as my primary race. Unfortunately, I cannot fly comets now. I consider that unfair. How was I supposed to know that I wouldn't be able to fly comets upon returing to the game many years later? I cannot foresee the future. So, as of now, I'm appealing to CCP to remove this unfair disadvantage. Or at least I want to be allowed to have my race changed. Thank you! Let's make this game great again. Dwai Dwai's eveboard
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 245	Posted - 2016.12.02 22:48:43 - [28] - Quote 1: Sell the ships you can't use. 2: Buy skill extractors 3: Extract the locked skills 4: Inject the SP 5: Spend it on ** you can use Alternately, just pay your sub so you can use the same ** you could use when you were paying your sub before. Literally nothing has changed aside from you having a free option if you want to embrace its limitations.
Hrist Harkonnen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2016.12.03 00:42:47 - [29] - Quote Sarus Khan wrote: First I would like to say I am thankful for the free option since money is tight these days and I can't afford game subs anymore. I am all for the restricting free accounts to certain classes of ships, however locking them the one faction of ship is too much. When I started playing EVE (approximately 6+ years ago) I started as a Gallente character due to the fact that their faction's mentality in their description appealed to me the most, but I quickly realized I liked Caldari ships better. Now that I have come back to the game I find that I cannot pilot a single ship I own save for my mining frigate and my Gallente industrials. I literally have no skills for any Gallente ships bigger than a frigate, or maybe a destroyer. This essentially means I have to "start from scratch". This has left me extremely disappointed with this new addition to the game. Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!! Try EVE Online for FREE with 250.000 extra skill points here!
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 513	Posted - 2016.12.03 03:45:31 - [30] - Quote If money is so tight, that you can't afford a sub. Then why the **** are you spending your time on a non-profit activity like EvE in the first place? Maybe, you should consider spending that energy on something that earns you IRL money, so you can actually survive. If your children are starving and you are living out of a card-box, how important is it really that CCP increases the ships available for an Alpha?
Xodiac Primus New Eden's Best. 22	Posted - 2016.12.03 03:52:21 - [31] - Quote Lucy Lollipops wrote: Because previously char race was unlinked from ships while now playing a alpha is stricted linked to the race, I think it would be fair to let returning players a one time option to chose a different race from the one they previously decided. I choose Nightelf Mohawk
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 148	Posted - 2016.12.03 06:08:40 - [32] - Quote Some things that alphas ask are reasonable some not. To ask for a free candy when you can eat a big bite of it for free is unreasonable. To ask for a one time choice for something you decided years ago about a totally changed game mechanic is a reasonable request.
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 409	Posted - 2016.12.03 06:11:27 - [33] - Quote I have this thing about people that cant afford $15 a month for a sub, but can afford electricity, a computer that can play eve, and internet service. Its $0.50 a day. I can find $0.50 a day in the freaking parking lot. When you buy something at the store such as groceries you could throw that change in a can/jar and i bet you would have enough in a month for a sub. I mean seriously its $0.50 a day. That wont even buy a soda. Hell it wont even buy a bottle of water. But none the less it is a great time to be poor in Eve! All you have to do is spend some time learning how to make isk on an alpha. Build up your isk buy a plex off the market activate 30 days of omega and then do what you did before to get enough isk for a plex...but do it in less than 30 days and your good to go.
Arcelian Metentis 208	Posted - 2016.12.03 10:54:53 - [34] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: I have this thing about people that cant afford $15 a month for a sub, but can afford electricity, a computer that can play eve, and internet service. Its $0.50 a day. I can find $0.50 a day in the freaking parking lot. When you buy something at the store such as groceries you could throw that change in a can/jar and i bet you would have enough in a month for a sub. I mean seriously its $0.50 a day. That wont even buy a soda. Hell it wont even buy a bottle of water. But none the less it is a great time to be poor in Eve! All you have to do is spend some time learning how to make isk on an alpha. Build up your isk buy a plex off the market activate 30 days of omega and then do what you did before to get enough isk for a plex...but do it in less than 30 days and your good to go. So much this. I understand when money is tight, I know how that is. But $15 a month tight, no I have never been that low on funds. I pay 6 month subs for 6 accounts, which is roughly $11 per month each so $66 total, and it's barely a blip on the financial radar. Because it's $2.2 per day. Most people spend far more than that on starbucks and eating out in a 30 day period.
Don Pera Saissore 120	Posted - 2016.12.03 11:20:12 - [35] - Quote You could create a special character resculpt that allows you to choose a race and give it out to every character created before the f2p switch. That would be a fair deal considering the fact that we had no idea what we were doing when we created our chars.
Radamant Nemess Caldari State Navy 50	Posted - 2016.12.03 14:31:30 - [36] - Quote It goes something like this.. Free to play is aimed at new players, for older ones it is more like free to log in. Got it? i can fail at any speed you like
Aitu Foo Holdings AL3XAND3R. 5	Posted - 2016.12.03 15:20:30 - [37] - Quote Kojee wrote: I swear to CHRIST I will come ***** suicide kill the next person that complains about not being able to use their favorite *** for free. I don't care where they are, I will hunt them the ** down and gank their scrub ass. Hi guys I can't use my favorite ship (triage Archon that can use fighters when not in triage) for free. Please fix this. Thanks
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 325	Posted - 2016.12.03 15:33:17 - [38] - Quote In the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal, maybe a few days extra training on the old toon or on a new toon. But I think OP does have a point. It's fair enough that he cannot use T2 stuff that he could use, but being restricted to one faction is not something EVE has ever been about. Maybe allow a returning character to choose a faction? E.g., one time choice like character resculpt flag where CCP checks the pilot age or total SP and you'd be flagged to make a choice once when you log on. Hm "When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them, and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
Ravas Geloris State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.12.03 17:08:28 - [39] - Quote Some people simply don't get it that not paying and still allowed to play don't creates a right for them to complain they don't get as much as someone who paid..... Such complains that even go a slightest bit in the direction of equalization of alpha and omega accounts are outrageous nothing more.... Alphas ARE in NO Way "equal" to omegas..... If you want to be equal PAY...... Bottom line....
Tarek Rafiid Alpha State Cl0nes 4	Posted - 2016.12.03 17:38:22 - [40] - Quote In the real world, it's a case of you get what you pay for. It's the same in Eve. You want to play for free? Your character's balls get chopped, til you pay up to get them back. Besides, we already get the game for free, the expansions for free, and all the new content for free. CCP just asks for our sub money in return. That's a pretty damn good ROI for any game in the market. Normally, for most other MMOs, you need to either buy a ~$40 game, and pay each month on top, or buy a ~$60 game/character slot and play for free.
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 690	Posted - 2016.12.03 20:22:25 - [41] - Quote Several of my characters didn't transition well to Alpha ready either. It just means I have something to do.
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 745	Posted - 2016.12.04 00:07:42 - [42] - Quote Can't use Guristas ships as an Alpha. I think that's terrible. We should also get a free Taipan every time we dock an empty station with a capsule. And start with our characters in Venal and in the Guristas NPC corp. But I'm biased so...
Ravas Geloris State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.12.04 11:34:55 - [43] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Can't use Guristas ships as an Alpha. I think that's terrible. We should also get a free Taipan every time we dock an empty station with a capsule. And start with our characters in Venal and in the Guristas NPC corp. But I'm biased so... No...alphas should be limited to t 1 frigs of their race and ventures only...its an unlimited trial and so shall it be.....
Keno Skir 1041	Posted - 2016.12.04 14:56:27 - [44] - Quote Kojee wrote: I swear to CHRIST I will come ***** suicide kill the next person that complains about not being able to use their favorite *** for free. I don't care where they are, I will hunt them the ** down and gank their scrub ass. Mate you better do this now. Wendy if you don't.. just sayin I want killmails and will provide a booby prize <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> Including ISK Bonus & In Game Assistance - Piracy / Wormhole Space / Covops PvP
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2016.12.04 15:31:13 - [45] - Quote Kojee wrote: I swear to CHRIST I will come ***** suicide kill the next person that complains about not being able to use their favorite *** for free. I don't care where they are, I will hunt them the ** down and gank their scrub ass. Ooh, get you.
Shayla Etherodyne Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord 110	Posted - 2016.12.04 19:46:16 - [46] - Quote "Money is tight" can easily mean: "I was able to put away a grand ever year and still pay for my vices, now the choice is puttying away 500 Gé¼/$ and renounce to some of my pastimes or keep them and put away nothing." A year subscription is 131.40 $/Gé¼, if someone in your family has gone unemployed or is sick that, with other expenses, can make a difference. On the other hand the phone bill often include an ADLS subscription. Actually, for me, changing my phone subscription to a VOIP with fiber ADSL has been a reduction in the phone bill. In today world owning a decent PC (EVE don't require much), paying for the the phone and electricity are little more than subsistence living. If you have age school sons or daughters or you are a university student living away from home those are expenses that are almost mandatory for your instruction. To me people saying "how it is possible that you have problems paying for EVE but can afford a PC, electricity and phone bill" show that some people has never keep the house accounts. To the OP: train for the ships you can fly, you should have plenty of support skills already trained. After all the training for your character is free. I have reactivated my 4th account only for the free training. I log in it every so often, sometime I have lost training time, but "shrug, it is free, not a loss". If I want it is a extra resource that is available and the characters get free training.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14970	Posted - 2016.12.04 22:36:43 - [47] - Quote Shayla Etherodyne wrote: "Money is tight" can easily mean: "I was able to put away a grand ever year and still pay for my vices, now the choice is puttying away 500 Gé¼/$ and renounce to some of my pastimes or keep them and put away nothing." A year subscription is 131.40 $/Gé¼, if someone in your family has gone unemployed or is sick that, with other expenses, can make a difference. On the other hand the phone bill often include an ADLS subscription. Actually, for me, changing my phone subscription to a VOIP with fiber ADSL has been a reduction in the phone bill. In today world owning a decent PC (EVE don't require much), paying for the the phone and electricity are little more than subsistence living. If you have age school sons or daughters or you are a university student living away from home those are expenses that are almost mandatory for your instruction. To me people saying "how it is possible that you have problems paying for EVE but can afford a PC, electricity and phone bill" show that some people has never keep the house accounts. You typed all this to try to make excuses for people who don't want to pay 36 cents (yearly sub divided by 365 days) for ENTERTAINMENT. EVE is a frivolous pass time, nothing more. To which I and others say, simply, that if 36 cents per day (or 50 cents per day for a regular month to month sub) is a financial hardship, you should not be playing video games at all. You should be working or training for better work or migrating to someplace with better work.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8228	Posted - 2016.12.04 23:31:08 - [48] - Quote Shayla Etherodyne wrote: "Money is tight" can easily mean: "I was able to put away a grand ever year and still pay for my vices, now the choice is puttying away 500 Gé¼/$ and renounce to some of my pastimes or keep them and put away nothing." A year subscription is 131.40 $/Gé¼, if someone in your family has gone unemployed or is sick that, with other expenses, can make a difference. On the other hand the phone bill often include an ADLS subscription. Actually, for me, changing my phone subscription to a VOIP with fiber ADSL has been a reduction in the phone bill. In today world owning a decent PC (EVE don't require much), paying for the the phone and electricity are little more than subsistence living. If you have age school sons or daughters or you are a university student living away from home those are expenses that are almost mandatory for your instruction. To me people saying "how it is possible that you have problems paying for EVE but can afford a PC, electricity and phone bill" show that some people has never keep the house accounts. To the OP: train for the ships you can fly, you should have plenty of support skills already trained. After all the training for your character is free. I have reactivated my 4th account only for the free training. I log in it every so often, sometime I have lost training time, but "shrug, it is free, not a loss". If I want it is a extra resource that is available and the characters get free training. This is all irrelevant, because if you do have problems covering an EVE online subscription, guess whose problem that is? That's right, yours, and yours alone. Nobody else's, and it's not up to CCP to cater to that problem. In fact, I would even comfortably assert that such pandering would be more damaging to your own ability to take responsibility for your personal financial problems by ultimately giving you less of a reason to overcome them. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Grymmstorm Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n 12	Posted - 2016.12.04 23:45:19 - [49] - Quote Maekchu wrote: If money is so tight, that you can't afford a sub. Then why the ** are you spending your time on a non-profit activity like EvE in the first place? Maybe, you should consider spending that energy on something that earns you IRL money, so you can actually survive. If your children are starving and you are living out of a card-box, how important is it really that CCP increases the ships available for an Alpha? I have to say, not everyone is going to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some people might be working two jobs and still want to relax on the weekends or something. Kinda weird, huh? Since you have absolutely no idea what they do other than make a couple posts in the forums, why don't you shut that ** holster and go away?
Grymmstorm Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n 12	Posted - 2016.12.04 23:53:03 - [50] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Shayla Etherodyne wrote: "Money is tight" can easily mean: "I was able to put away a grand ever year and still pay for my vices, now the choice is puttying away 500 Gé¼/$ and renounce to some of my pastimes or keep them and put away nothing." A year subscription is 131.40 $/Gé¼, if someone in your family has gone unemployed or is sick that, with other expenses, can make a difference. On the other hand the phone bill often include an ADLS subscription. Actually, for me, changing my phone subscription to a VOIP with fiber ADSL has been a reduction in the phone bill. In today world owning a decent PC (EVE don't require much), paying for the the phone and electricity are little more than subsistence living. If you have age school sons or daughters or you are a university student living away from home those are expenses that are almost mandatory for your instruction. To me people saying "how it is possible that you have problems paying for EVE but can afford a PC, electricity and phone bill" show that some people has never keep the house accounts. You typed all this to try to make excuses for people who don't want to pay 36 cents (yearly sub divided by 365 days) for ENTERTAINMENT. EVE is a frivolous pass time, nothing more. To which I and others say, simply, that if 36 cents per day (or 50 cents per day for a regular month to month sub) is a financial hardship, you should not be playing video games at all. You should be working or training for better work or migrating to someplace with better work. Having worked a full-time job while getting my degree, I can say that it is extremely important to also take time to do "fun" things as well. If you focus only on work and school, your mental health will deteriorate and you will do worse in both areas. How do you know that the person isn't already going to school? How do you know that they aren't working? I know plenty of kids in college right now doing full-time studies and part-time jobs that still manage to play some League of Legends or World of Tanks to de-stress. A few of them actually DON'T have the money to be spending on extra stuff like monthly subs. But to tell them to work more or whatever is ignorant because if they worked any more they'd fail their classes.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8228	Posted - 2016.12.04 23:54:22 - [51] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: Maekchu wrote: If money is so tight, that you can't afford a sub. Then why the ** are you spending your time on a non-profit activity like EvE in the first place? Maybe, you should consider spending that energy on something that earns you IRL money, so you can actually survive. If your children are starving and you are living out of a card-box, how important is it really that CCP increases the ships available for an Alpha? I have to say, not everyone is going to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some people might be working two jobs and still want to relax on the weekends or something. Kinda weird, huh? Since you have absolutely no idea what they do other than make a couple posts in the forums, why don't you shut that ** holster and go away? You're right, not everyone works 24/7. Take me, for example. I work 6 hours a week. Administrative crap more than anything, but some writing and editing as well. When I'm working, I'm not playing EVE. Also, I sleep 7 hours a night. 77=49, so that's now 55 hours a week I don't play EVE. Eating, shopping, and general amenities use adds about another estimated hour and a half a day on average, so now we're up t to 58.5 hours a week that I'm not playing EVE. Let's call that the grand total, multiply it by 4 (234 hours) and subtract that from my subscribed time (30 days 24 hours = 720, subtract 234 = 486 hours). I'm paying for 720 hours, but I only get 486 out of it! And EVE isn't even the only game I play in those hours, so.... OMG CCP YOU OWE ME MUNEH!!! Or not. Grymm, you are not entitled to special treatment by CCP any more than I am, in this game or any other. If you want EVE Online: Welfare Edition, go make it yourself. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8228	Posted - 2016.12.05 00:02:07 - [52] - Quote For the record, EVE is one of the cheapest ways to have fun that I can think of. After all, it's free now, but even if you do want to sub, it's 50c a day. If you've got other things you'd rather do with that 50c a day, like go drinking with your mates (in which case, you'll have to add a bit of money, cuz 50c won't cover much at the pub), then that's your prerogative, but you can't complain that "EVE is too expensive cuz I'd rather be drinking with my mates at the pub". Well, you can, but it's somewhat meaningless, because if EVE is too expensive, then wtf are you doing at the pub? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Grymmstorm Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n 12	Posted - 2016.12.05 03:55:56 - [53] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Grymmstorm wrote: Maekchu wrote: If money is so tight, that you can't afford a sub. Then why the ** are you spending your time on a non-profit activity like EvE in the first place? Maybe, you should consider spending that energy on something that earns you IRL money, so you can actually survive. If your children are starving and you are living out of a card-box, how important is it really that CCP increases the ships available for an Alpha? I have to say, not everyone is going to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some people might be working two jobs and still want to relax on the weekends or something. Kinda weird, huh? Since you have absolutely no idea what they do other than make a couple posts in the forums, why don't you shut that ** holster and go away? You're right, not everyone works 24/7. Take me, for example. I work 6 hours a week. Administrative crap more than anything, but some writing and editing as well. When I'm working, I'm not playing EVE. Also, I sleep 7 hours a night. 77=49, so that's now 55 hours a week I don't play EVE. Eating, shopping, and general amenities use adds about another estimated hour and a half a day on average, so now we're up t to 58.5 hours a week that I'm not playing EVE. Let's call that the grand total, multiply it by 4 (234 hours) and subtract that from my subscribed time (30 days 24 hours = 720, subtract 234 = 486 hours). I'm paying for 720 hours, but I only get 486 out of it! And EVE isn't even the only game I play in those hours, so.... OMG CCP YOU OWE ME MUNEH!!! Or not, since they couldn't possibly account for everybody else's personal time requirements so the business model they offer is one size fits all, and if you can't justify the expenditure, then that is entirely your own personal problem. Grymm, you are not entitled to special treatment by CCP any more than I am, in this game or any other. If you want EVE Online: Welfare Edition, go make it yourself. You completely miss the point of what I am saying. People have absolutely no idea how much other people work or what their situation is. Telling them that they shouldn't be playing video games (Even free video games) if they can't afford to pay for subscriptions is ignorant. If you noticed, I didn't say one goddamn thing about CCP needing to give us more for free, I said if you don't know someone's situation, don't comment on it, because it very likely isn't the same situation you are in. If you aren't smart enough to understand what I am saying, then that is your problem.
mkint 1284	Posted - 2016.12.05 06:59:39 - [54] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Grymmstorm wrote: Maekchu wrote: If money is so tight, that you can't afford a sub. Then why the ** are you spending your time on a non-profit activity like EvE in the first place? Maybe, you should consider spending that energy on something that earns you IRL money, so you can actually survive. If your children are starving and you are living out of a card-box, how important is it really that CCP increases the ships available for an Alpha? I have to say, not everyone is going to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some people might be working two jobs and still want to relax on the weekends or something. Kinda weird, huh? Since you have absolutely no idea what they do other than make a couple posts in the forums, why don't you shut that ** holster and go away? You're right, not everyone works 24/7. Take me, for example. I work 6 hours a week. Administrative crap more than anything, but some writing and editing as well. When I'm working, I'm not playing EVE. Also, I sleep 7 hours a night. 77=49, so that's now 55 hours a week I don't play EVE. Eating, shopping, and general amenities use adds about another estimated hour and a half a day on average, so now we're up t to 58.5 hours a week that I'm not playing EVE. Let's call that the grand total, multiply it by 4 (234 hours) and subtract that from my subscribed time (30 days 24 hours = 720, subtract 234 = 486 hours). I'm paying for 720 hours, but I only get 486 out of it! And EVE isn't even the only game I play in those hours, so.... OMG CCP YOU OWE ME MUNEH!!! Or not, since they couldn't possibly account for everybody else's personal time requirements so the business model they offer is one size fits all, and if you can't justify the expenditure, then that is entirely your own personal problem. Grymm, you are not entitled to special treatment by CCP any more than I am, in this game or any other. If you want EVE Online: Welfare Edition, go make it yourself. You completely miss the point of what I am saying. People have absolutely no idea how much other people work or what their situation is. Telling them that they shouldn't be playing video games (Even free video games) if they can't afford to pay for subscriptions is ignorant. If you noticed, I didn't say one goddamn thing about CCP needing to give us more for free, I said if you don't know someone's situation, don't comment on it, because it very likely isn't the same situation you are in. If you aren't smart enough to understand what I am saying, then that is your problem. On the one hand, being a jackass to poor people. On the other hand poor people can't afford some things (which is sort of the definition of poor.) On the 3rd hand, someone apparently has a 3rd hand. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 516	Posted - 2016.12.05 08:36:51 - [55] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: You completely miss the point of what I am saying. People have absolutely no idea how much other people work or what their situation is. Telling them that they shouldn't be playing video games (Even free video games) if they can't afford to pay for subscriptions is ignorant. If you noticed, I didn't say one goddamn thing about CCP needing to give us more for free, I said if you don't know someone's situation, don't comment on it, because it very likely isn't the same situation you are in. If you aren't smart enough to understand what I am saying, then that is your problem. EDIT: It seems that my text was lost cause of the forum being a yerk. TL:DR: If you truly cannot afford 15$/month, but instead of doing something about it in your real life come to the forums and demands CCP to "fix" it, then maybe your priorities are not in order. Just like we cannot know every persons financial background and story, CCP can't build a business model around individual financial backgrounds. The human propensity to greed, will make people never be satisfied with what they are given. If CCP had to cater to this crowd asking for more free stuff, they would eventually drive themselves to bankruptcy. You get the same deal as everyone else. You as a consumer, make the decision whether you think a deal is fair or not. It is not the responsibility to make you a deal that fits your financial background.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8231	Posted - 2016.12.05 08:37:33 - [56] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Grymmstorm wrote: Maekchu wrote: If money is so tight, that you can't afford a sub. Then why the ** are you spending your time on a non-profit activity like EvE in the first place? Maybe, you should consider spending that energy on something that earns you IRL money, so you can actually survive. If your children are starving and you are living out of a card-box, how important is it really that CCP increases the ships available for an Alpha? I have to say, not everyone is going to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some people might be working two jobs and still want to relax on the weekends or something. Kinda weird, huh? Since you have absolutely no idea what they do other than make a couple posts in the forums, why don't you shut that ** holster and go away? You're right, not everyone works 24/7. Take me, for example. I work 6 hours a week. Administrative crap more than anything, but some writing and editing as well. When I'm working, I'm not playing EVE. Also, I sleep 7 hours a night. 77=49, so that's now 55 hours a week I don't play EVE. Eating, shopping, and general amenities use adds about another estimated hour and a half a day on average, so now we're up t to 58.5 hours a week that I'm not playing EVE. Let's call that the grand total, multiply it by 4 (234 hours) and subtract that from my subscribed time (30 days 24 hours = 720, subtract 234 = 486 hours). I'm paying for 720 hours, but I only get 486 out of it! And EVE isn't even the only game I play in those hours, so.... OMG CCP YOU OWE ME MUNEH!!! Or not, since they couldn't possibly account for everybody else's personal time requirements so the business model they offer is one size fits all, and if you can't justify the expenditure, then that is entirely your own personal problem. Grymm, you are not entitled to special treatment by CCP any more than I am, in this game or any other. If you want EVE Online: Welfare Edition, go make it yourself. You completely miss the point of what I am saying. People have absolutely no idea how much other people work or what their situation is. Telling them that they shouldn't be playing video games (Even free video games) if they can't afford to pay for subscriptions is ignorant. If you noticed, I didn't say one goddamn thing about CCP needing to give us more for free, I said if you don't know someone's situation, don't comment on it, because it very likely isn't the same situation you are in. If you aren't smart enough to understand what I am saying, then that is your problem. If people are going to bring up their financial situation as if it's somehow relevant to what CCP should offer regarding their subscription model, then I am going to comment on it, and tell them why CCP has no reason to give a toss. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 753	Posted - 2016.12.05 17:52:11 - [57] - Quote Ravas Geloris wrote: No...alphas should be limited to t 1 frigs of their race and ventures only...its an unlimited trial and so shall it be..... What a terrible life it must be, to not be able to pick up sarcasm! I mean, really, the Taipan is a Guristas Rookie Ship on steroids and it's worth upward to 300m a hull. How more obvious could I be?
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14971	Posted - 2016.12.05 20:24:29 - [58] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Shayla Etherodyne wrote: "Money is tight" can easily mean: "I was able to put away a grand ever year and still pay for my vices, now the choice is puttying away 500 Gé¼/$ and renounce to some of my pastimes or keep them and put away nothing." A year subscription is 131.40 $/Gé¼, if someone in your family has gone unemployed or is sick that, with other expenses, can make a difference. On the other hand the phone bill often include an ADLS subscription. Actually, for me, changing my phone subscription to a VOIP with fiber ADSL has been a reduction in the phone bill. In today world owning a decent PC (EVE don't require much), paying for the the phone and electricity are little more than subsistence living. If you have age school sons or daughters or you are a university student living away from home those are expenses that are almost mandatory for your instruction. To me people saying "how it is possible that you have problems paying for EVE but can afford a PC, electricity and phone bill" show that some people has never keep the house accounts. You typed all this to try to make excuses for people who don't want to pay 36 cents (yearly sub divided by 365 days) for ENTERTAINMENT. EVE is a frivolous pass time, nothing more. To which I and others say, simply, that if 36 cents per day (or 50 cents per day for a regular month to month sub) is a financial hardship, you should not be playing video games at all. You should be working or training for better work or migrating to someplace with better work. Having worked a full-time job while getting my degree, I can say that it is extremely important to also take time to do "fun" things as well. If you focus only on work and school, your mental health will deteriorate and you will do worse in both areas. How do you know that the person isn't already going to school? How do you know that they aren't working? I know plenty of kids in college right now doing full-time studies and part-time jobs that still manage to play some League of Legends or World of Tanks to de-stress. A few of them actually DON'T have the money to be spending on extra stuff like monthly subs. But to tell them to work more or whatever is ignorant because if they worked any more they'd fail their classes. It's amazing to me how far people will go to try to justify a BS position they hold. 4 minutes of work at U.S. minimum wage is how much a day of EVE time costs. Again, if this is too much, you should not be playing video games, you should be improving your lot in life. If somehow someone is using EVE to get over the fact that they can't afford 50 cents or less per day on an online video game, then they should be seeing a psychologist. The fact that we are having to have this conversation about 2 quarters is a real good example of First World Problems...
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14971	Posted - 2016.12.05 20:40:23 - [59] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: For the record, EVE is one of the cheapest ways to have fun that I can think of. After all, it's free now, but even if you do want to sub, it's 50c a day. If you've got other things you'd rather do with that 50c a day, like go drinking with your mates (in which case, you'll have to add a bit of money, cuz 50c won't cover much at the pub), then that's your prerogative, but you can't complain that "EVE is too expensive cuz I'd rather be drinking with my mates at the pub". Well, you can, but it's somewhat meaningless, because if EVE is too expensive, then wtf are you doing at the pub? It's even worse than 50 cents a day. EVE Online has PLEX. Right now PLEX costs about 1.08 billion isk. A little more than 1 bil for 30 DAYS of game time. That's 36 million isk in 24 hours. TWO good high sec lvl 4 mission + salvage, or running ONE incursions site per day, or doing ONE Haven/Sanctum/forsaken Hub per day and you get to play EVE Online without spending one red penny let alone 50 cents. Not one of the activities I listed above takes more than 20-25 minutes if you know what you are doing. Hell, you don't even have to be at the keyboard, a ratting Navy Vexor makes 40-50 mil per hour with you maybe having to warp twice in an hour. A-F-freaking-K. 50 cents (36 for a yearly sub). 4 minutes at minimum wage in my country OR sacrificing 20-25 minutes in a day to actually play EVE and do a bit of PVE. Somehow these things are too much to ask for unlimited access to the game, to the point that people are exclaiming that the free portion of the game MUST be expended because, hey, you know, some people are too poor to flip even one burger... The above (ie the fact that people are this cheap and greedy and selfish) is why I ain't the biggest fan of humanity.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 834	Posted - 2016.12.05 22:30:48 - [60] - Quote Grymmstorm wrote: I have to say, not everyone is going to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Some people might be working two jobs and still want to relax on the weekends or something. Kinda weird, huh? Since you have absolutely no idea what they do other than make a couple posts in the forums, why don't you shut that ** holster and go away? Then pick leisure activities that are free. An EVE subscription is next to free as it is. Grymmstorm wrote:** Having worked a full-time job while getting my degree, I can say that it is extremely important to also take time to do "fun" things as well. If you focus only on work and school, your mental health will deteriorate and you will do worse in both areas. How do you know that the person isn't already going to school? How do you know that they aren't working? I know plenty of kids in college right now doing full-time studies and part-time jobs that still manage to play some League of Legends or World of Tanks to de-stress. A few of them actually DON'T have the money to be spending on extra stuff like monthly subs. But to tell them to work more or whatever is ignorant because if they worked any more they'd fail their classes. Having worked a full time job while getting my undergrad and my graduate degree (I was at work at 7am and out of class or done studying at 10pm Monday - Thursday, and I took off at 5pm Friday, Saturday and Sunday) stop complaining. It's complete BS that your mental health will deteriorate and you will do worse. I was actually at my sharpest when on that schedule. My graduate school was ranked 11th in the US when I was there and I did fine with that schedule. Hell, a buddy of mine who works at McKinsey was physically home for 85 hours in the last three months between working and traveling for work and his mental health is more than fine. Willpower works like a muscle, the more you train it the better you get. If you can't afford $12/mo for entertainment, stop playing games and get back to work improving yourself.
Vigirr 161	Posted - 2016.12.05 22:52:02 - [61] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Edit: I know saying something like this can make me come across as a huge a**hole, but people who make excuses for lazy people annoy me. Apologies if I offended anyone. Away with the offended special snowflakes and their dumb logic.
ISD Buldath isd star 488	Posted - 2016.12.06 03:11:46 - [62] - Quote Since p decided to scrub his post, I will go ahead and lock this now as it serves no further purpose. *~ISD Buldath* Commander Support, Training and Resources Division Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.

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