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Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:23:00 - [1] Recently a band of high sec pirates have sought to take advantage of the War Dec system in eve. To give a bit of an idea on the background of this problem caused by the Privateers one must assume that the majority of EVE players do not want to bare this problem any longer. Of all the people in game I know of perhaps 95% want to see privateers gone... for good. They have clearly stated aims to disrupt high sec life... which they are doing. Previous to this stupid problem high sec was a place where noobs and pro alike could be relatively safe while regrouping and having fun without the risks of 0.0 where there where enemies seeking your demise at every corner. No one wants to be under constant attack in EVE, it is a major deterrent to people who like to play the game the good old fair way, the way I believe CCP intended it to be. People have told me that Privateers are just mercÆing however I point out that the majority of their war decs are actually payed for by their own members which in essence means that while they continue to kill haulers and miners in high sec space they can continue to pay for this betrayal of the EVE community. Areas that have been affected by Privateers: - MercÆing: who needs 5 specialists when you can just hire 500 jita campers... - Research & Industry: Empire industrialists and mission runners are forced to leave their alliance to continue getting payed. People say this is fair, however i ask is it fair to force the alliance system to die out so that privateers can get their easy kills? - Market system: Jita was previously a place where everyone could resupply and continue doing whatever they do... not since privateers were created. They steak out 4 - 4 and wait for the first unlucky person who gets jitas infamous black screen of death. Why Privateer Exploitation of this system should be stopped: - CCP's game was fantastically built to be close to real life in the sense that every action had a reaction. - if you chose to pirate you would receive a security hit and no longer be safe in high sec. - this is no longer the case. Using this system privateers can maintain this number of wars indefinitely... it is essentially high sec piracy without repercussions. How Privateers avoid repercussions: - Use of small light ships - gank haulers miners make off with loot with minimal risk in isk value and actual chance of dieing. - Largely using stations to do their "pvp" - ability to tank and dock if odds are unfavourable - use of lag while undocking to take out unsuspecting prey - No one can waste the time to chase them around empire as the rest of us actually have assets in 0.0 that we need to protect! Furthermore no one can afford to bring up a 20 man crew on a regular basis to watch privateers dock and say "come back with 20 haulers". CCP I beg of you to fix this urgent problem! Privateers are getting away with murder under your noses! Possible solutions to this problem: - the exponential increase of war dec cost after perhaps 5 war decs. so that every war dec after 5 war decs will cost ridiculous sums that cannot be made back by ganking some t2 haulers in what is meant to be safe space! - The limitation of the number of war dec's an alliance may have... i suggest to 10. - A new agro timer for empire only. Change the agro docking and jumping timer in empire to 5 mins. Stop that useless dominix and raven sitting outside jita 4 - 4 from docking once heÆs stupid enough to engage. IÆm basically asking you to reintroduce repercussions for this empire based pvp. If any of you have further complaints or ideas... IÆd love to hear them. If you want privateers gone and this system stopped so none other can rise in its place please donÆt just read this and agree in your hearts! Reply to this thread and let your voice be heard by CCP. This system needs to change if EVE is not to be destroyed by these low skilled pirates. Brothers and Sisters I leave it to you! Minigin Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
lles Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:27:00 - [2] Eve has so much annoying, useless and stupid things that its just one of multi things, the privateer thingie.... Anyhow, I really think its stupid the way they operate... /signed
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:31:00 - [3] They already have repercussions on themselves - they can be shot as much as they can shoot you. Whether they have one war or 100 wars doesn't make a difference to the war-target, even if you were the only war-target you would still have the same difficulties you listed above. What you're basically complaining about is being war-decced, when you don't want to be. I'm afraid that's been part of Eve for a long long time, and there is a solution -> noob corps are for those who don't want to take the risk. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:32:28 Originally by: Ling Xiao They already have repercussions on themselves - they can be shot as much as they can shoot you. Whether they have one war or 100 wars doesn't make a difference to the war-target, even if you were the only war-target you would still have the same difficulties you listed above. What you're basically complaining about is being war-decced, when you don't want to be. I'm afraid that's been part of Eve for a long long time, and there is a solution -> noob corps are for those who don't want to take the risk. did you not read the why they dont face repercussions? secondly im playing because i still hope theres a way things will change. edit: furthermore the newb corp thing i ran out of room to discuss but i dont want to see EVE become another one of those stupid games where you cant connect with people. What makes EVE so great now is the abiltiy to chill out with some mates in a crop or alliance. If you sit there in a noob corp all day just making isk... where will you put it in the end? Just sit there in your hanger looking at your fat wallet saying "oh yeh im awsome" or spending it on helping your corpmates out! Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:34:00 - [5] They don't bother me that much, keeps people on their toes and they provide a relatively significant isk sink and this game needs more of those. I do agree the cost of war-decs should go up though.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:35:00 - [6] You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Jago One	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Minigin This system needs to change if EVE is not to be destroyed by these low skilled pirates. nothing wrong with privateers. There are alot of them who are extremely good pvpers. (infact i wouldnt mind betting they do a damn sight more killing than your own alliance tbh) As for the war decs well .. it allready costs them alot of isk. Look at the nuber of corps leaving and joining the alliance ... mostly because of lack of isks. Basically u should just learn to deal with it .. there aint no problem with what they do.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Jago One	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:32:28 Originally by: Ling Xiao They already have repercussions on themselves - they can be shot as much as they can shoot you. Whether they have one war or 100 wars doesn't make a difference to the war-target, even if you were the only war-target you would still have the same difficulties you listed above. What you're basically complaining about is being war-decced, when you don't want to be. I'm afraid that's been part of Eve for a long long time, and there is a solution -> noob corps are for those who don't want to take the risk. did you not read the why they dont face repercussions? secondly im playing because i still hope theres a way things will change. edit: furthermore the newb corp thing i ran out of room to discuss but i dont want to see EVE become another one of those stupid games where you cant connect with people. What makes EVE so great now is the abiltiy to chill out with some mates in a crop or alliance. If you sit there in a noob corp all day just making isk... where will you put it in the end? Just sit there in your hanger looking at your fat wallet saying "oh yeh im awsome" or spending it on helping your corpmates out! privateers play by the same war rules as everyone else. Personally when i fought against them i found if we went in small fast ships we could get alot of rly nice and even fights. no probs just some fun. To me this just sounds like a whine coz u failed to gank some guys who werent dumb enough to fall for your bait, followed by a forums post about how 'crap' they are at pvp.
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? OMG, they use tactics like running away from bigger blobs and engaging when the odds are in their favor? Ban them I say, tricksy cheaters.....

Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:42:04 Originally by: Jago One Originally by: Minigin This system needs to change if EVE is not to be destroyed by these low skilled pirates. nothing wrong with privateers. There are alot of them who are extremely good pvpers. (infact i wouldnt mind betting they do a damn sight more killing than your own alliance tbh) As for the war decs well .. it allready costs them alot of isk. Look at the nuber of corps leaving and joining the alliance ... mostly because of lack of isks. Basically u should just learn to deal with it .. there aint no problem with what they do. i bet you if the state war academy had the funds and ability to war dec every major alliance in game then theyed do just as good a job as privateers... mostly docked until the haulers are flying around... then undock in their scram fitted ibis's and boom... its not hard... takes no skill... and is extremely hard to combat effectivly! edit: and again... losing some isk on gaining that many targets is not a big enough repercussion for what is going on here. Safe space is no longer safe for anyone outside a noob alliance, and privateers can do what they want without risking anything... ie pos's/stations/even expencive ships as they can simply dock instead of be forced into a fight. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? OMG, they use tactics like running away from bigger blobs and engaging when the odds are in their favor? Ban them I say, tricksy cheaters..... forgive me if you unerstood blobs... they even run away from even numbers and gunpower... they usualy go for the haulers... shuttles where they can get them. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:45:00 - [13] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 06/04/2007 11:42:51 Originally by: welsh wizard They don't bother me that much, keeps people on their toes and they provide a relatively significant isk sink and this game needs more of those. I do agree the cost of war-decs should go up though. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Insurance payouts are an ISK faucet. Repeat: insurance brings currency/ISK into the game. It converts mined minerals (!= ISK) into ISK. The ISK for which the ship was purchased just moved to another player, so they're not lost. The ISK from the insurance are additional ISK, which weren't there previously. Yet I agree to an increase of war-dec costs. edit: or did you mean war-decs as ISK sink? That would be true, if insurance payouts wouldn't outweight them by far. _________________________________ - The sky is the sky wherever you go -
Bad Borris Caldari Nomina Sacra Sapientia CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:45:00 - [14] /signed Its lame and u know it. Fancy war deccing eve university
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? OMG, they use tactics like running away from bigger blobs and engaging when the odds are in their favor? Ban them I say, tricksy cheaters..... forgive me if you unerstood blobs... they even run away from even numbers and gunpower... they usualy go for the haulers... shuttles where they can get them. Isn¦t that what pirates are supposed too? Loot merchant ships but avoid real combat to maximise profit?
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? OMG, they use tactics like running away from bigger blobs and engaging when the odds are in their favor? Ban them I say, tricksy cheaters..... forgive me if you unerstood blobs... they even run away from even numbers and gunpower... they usualy go for the haulers... shuttles where they can get them. Isn¦t that what pirates are supposed too? Loot merchant ships but avoid real combat to maximise profit? now we are getting somewhere... arnt pirates ment to be forced to live in low sec and not be able to gank like this in high sec? Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:53:00 - [17] first of, eve is not a democracy, so it doesnt matter how many don't like the privateers. it's a great example of players shaping the game world in an unexpected way. now to your whiney pseudo arguments. mercs are still there. privateers are not useful to take out a specific target. what they are useful at is putting pressure on a group of carebears that have no skill but that you can't quite touch if your char is unable to enter hisec for example. alliance research and jita market whining.. ridiculous. that's not even an argument. the only bad thing is the jita black screen of death. it's not the privateers fault. ofcourse this should be fixed and imo it would be ok to reimburse ships that are lost in a black screen. but as long as its not fixed.. well stay the fck out of jita? avoiding reprecussions, haha. so according to this BS you're spouting there all pvpers "avoid reprecussions" unless they are in alliance warfare risking to lose territory. here is a big secret of eve pvp for you: the skill is not in having lots of guns and being able to kill someone, but in actually getting him into a position where he gets killed. to finish this well argumented but nevertheless flame post, i hereby judge thee as whiny carebear and suggest to go back to wow.
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:55:00 - [18] Edited by: Ravysa Delorean on 06/04/2007 11:51:43 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? OMG, they use tactics like running away from bigger blobs and engaging when the odds are in their favor? Ban them I say, tricksy cheaters..... forgive me if you unerstood blobs... they even run away from even numbers and gunpower... they usualy go for the haulers... shuttles where they can get them. Isn¦t that what pirates are supposed too? Loot merchant ships but avoid real combat to maximise profit? now we are getting somewhere... arnt pirates ment to be forced to live in low sec and not be able to gank like this in high sec? Well not if they have a letter of marque (war declaration), privateers were pirates having the authorization to "pirate" hostile ships. Check the term privateers on wikipedia and you will understand.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:56:00 - [19] For the brief two times that we were war dec'd by Privateers, we certainly had no trouble popping quite a few of them and we took pretty insignificant losses (as far as I can remember at least). This is a game that rewards people who think and penalizes those who don't, and just because the security status of a system is greater than 0.4 doesn't mean that particular fact doesn't apply.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Keta Min first of, eve is not a democracy, so it doesnt matter how many don't like the privateers. it's a great example of players shaping the game world in an unexpected way. now to your whiney pseudo arguments. mercs are still there. privateers are not useful to take out a specific target. what they are useful at is putting pressure on a group of carebears that have no skill but that you can't quite touch if your char is unable to enter hisec for example. alliance research and jita market whining.. ridiculous. that's not even an argument. the only bad thing is the jita black screen of death. it's not the privateers fault. ofcourse this should be fixed and imo it would be ok to reimburse ships that are lost in a black screen. but as long as its not fixed.. well stay the fck out of jita? avoiding reprecussions, haha. so according to this BS you're spouting there all pvpers "avoid reprecussions" unless they are in alliance warfare risking to lose territory. here is a big secret of eve pvp for you: the skill is not in having lots of guns and being able to kill someone, but in actually getting him into a position where he gets killed. to finish this well argumented but nevertheless flame post, i hereby judge thee as whiny carebear and suggest to go back to wow. no in my opinion mercing is fine... but this is because its usualy done for a short period of time on a narrow group. Not everyone everywhere. Stupidest thing ive ever heard of... CCP designed high sec for a reason... if they intended it to be unsafe all of eve would have been made 0.0. Your reply is also well argued but lacking in vision. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig

Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro For the brief two times that we were war dec'd by Privateers, we certainly had no trouble popping quite a few of them and we took pretty insignificant losses (as far as I can remember at least). This is a game that rewards people who think and penalizes those who don't, and just because the security status of a system is greater than 0.4 doesn't mean that particular fact doesn't apply. so your saying if we where all merc alliances we would be fine... not everyone wants to be a merc... not everyone wants to pvp... your taking that choice off the table for alot of people... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Tomas Ysidro For the brief two times that we were war dec'd by Privateers, we certainly had no trouble popping quite a few of them and we took pretty insignificant losses (as far as I can remember at least). This is a game that rewards people who think and penalizes those who don't, and just because the security status of a system is greater than 0.4 doesn't mean that particular fact doesn't apply. so your saying if we where all merc alliances we would be fine... not everyone wants to be a merc... not everyone wants to pvp... your taking that choice off the table for alot of people... no, that's what alliances are, pvp. you don't make one just to have a nice "guild" of people peacefully playing together and rping away. if you don't want pvp, you don't make/join an alliance.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Tomas Ysidro For the brief two times that we were war dec'd by Privateers, we certainly had no trouble popping quite a few of them and we took pretty insignificant losses (as far as I can remember at least). This is a game that rewards people who think and penalizes those who don't, and just because the security status of a system is greater than 0.4 doesn't mean that particular fact doesn't apply. so your saying if we where all merc alliances we would be fine... not everyone wants to be a merc... not everyone wants to pvp... your taking that choice off the table for alot of people... no, that's what alliances are, pvp. you don't make one just to have a nice "guild" of people peacefully playing together and rping away. if you don't want pvp, you don't make/join an alliance. yes now pray tell where alliances live? and do non-pvpers join alliances? and when alliances leave their assets to go fight privateers rather than enemies who are moving on their assets what happens? Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Oki Riverson Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:09:00 - [24] To quote the great and wise Arnold - "STOP WHINNING!"
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Oki Riverson To quote the great and wise Arnold - "STOP WHINNING!" I'm posting my view if CCP decides they are relavant then we will hopefully see a change... if not then i'll be anti privateer till i die... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Conrad Rock Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:13:00 - [26] CPP wants to protect the average new player through what seems to the rest of us as bad game mechanics. Considering that... We cannot ask for a longer docking time for EVERYONE, but we can ask for a longer docking timer for those who initiate the wardec. Like so, you cannot be grieved/cheated effectively, if you fight back, your ubber war-deckers/mercenaries can't dock like cowards. War-decking should have consequences for all involved! It's not a license to pirate the inexperienced in high-sec while running away from their PVP gang. CPP, just think of why most big alliances don't bother with chasing war-deccers in general (not just PA)? there's no point in changing the war dec cost, the system is still less than desirable! Instead of nerfing war-decs, make it MORE ENJOYABLE.
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Tomas Ysidro For the brief two times that we were war dec'd by Privateers, we certainly had no trouble popping quite a few of them and we took pretty insignificant losses (as far as I can remember at least). This is a game that rewards people who think and penalizes those who don't, and just because the security status of a system is greater than 0.4 doesn't mean that particular fact doesn't apply. so your saying if we where all merc alliances we would be fine... not everyone wants to be a merc... not everyone wants to pvp... your taking that choice off the table for alot of people... no, that's what alliances are, pvp. you don't make one just to have a nice "guild" of people peacefully playing together and rping away. if you don't want pvp, you don't make/join an alliance. yes now pray tell where alliances live? and do non-pvpers join alliances? and when alliances leave their assets to go fight privateers rather than enemies who are moving on their assets what happens? you want me to say they live in 0.0? well many do. so why should they leave the assets and care about fighting privateers? oh wait they want to live in 0.0 and then haul stuff in empire without escorts or scouts. tough.
Tairon Usaro The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:13:00 - [28] Edited by: Tairon Usaro on 06/04/2007 12:11:59 /signed well written analysis. Although i never felt borthered by Privateers myself and i am perfectly fine with wardecs issued by a hired merc corp or the enemy itsself, this phenomenon called "Privateers" is different. Their business modell is truely malicous to new players who decided to max their game experience by joining an alliance and it it hampers the logicistical operations of the alliances to prepare their 0.0 operations, that we all enjoy. My plain and simple suggestion would be to limit the number of open war decs to four and poof the privateer business model is gone and they either have to decide to go for a serious merc organization or low sec piracy, where the have to fight even matches ... True Mercs and true Prirates would not be effected by suggestion, just the so called "Privateers". I doubt that anything else such as increased costs or "victory conditions" or other crap is such a clean an simple solution to this problem. And forget the idea of money sinks, i would assume privateers are more a money creator than a money sink, cause the insurance sums paid to the victims probably outnumbers their war fees. If CCP needs money sinks this is definately the wrong place to look for them ... ________________________________________________ Some days i loose, some days the others win ...
Ayumu Kosuga	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:14:00 - [29] Edited by: Ayumu Kosuga on 06/04/2007 12:14:21 Originally by: Minigin they even run away from even numbers and gunpower... sorry .. but this "argument" is short sighted. your standings != their standings you see maybe 5 wartargets, PVTs see 25 ... from your POV they avoid even fights, from their POV they avoid getting blobbed. oh .. and if you join a 0.0 alliance and expect to be a safe and happy carebear - get real. either you're able to support your alliance or you're dead weight. people who scream "omg wardec! can't do my business anymore!!1!!" are NOT supporting their alliance. supporting an alliance means either being able to fight or atleast to watch your back. PVTs might be an obstacle, but nothing that can't be avoided with some planing, skills and brains. Quote: Their business modell is truely malicous to new players who decided to max their game experience by joining an alliance and it it hampers the logicistical operations of the alliances to prepare their 0.0 operations, that we all enjoy. if a newbie joins a 0.0 alliance - do you tell him "no you won't get shot. you'll be safe anywhere you go. it's a happy carebearland"? tbh - if a newbie joins a 0.0 alliance he has to expect to get shot and to fight. (i don't say he has to be a full-time PvPer - but there's a distinction between industrialist that keep the dangers in mind and industrialists that are carebears) ... either he keeps the "i might be in danger anywhere i go" in mind or he better leaves the alliance.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Minigin Edited by: Minigin on 06/04/2007 11:35:50 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq You say privateers are making life for the noob hard but privateers are only going after alliances(mostly). You should be ready to fight if you are in an alliance if not just leave it then. out of curiousity... are you guys just reading certain parts? YOU CANT FIGHT PRIVATEERS! THEY USE STUPID TACTICS... if your so great go try it... i spent a week trying to no avail! edit: furthermore your saying that alliances are only for the pros, and pvpers? You can fight the privateers, they aren't invincible. And what are the stupid tactics they are using, ganking your haulers? Everyone does it including the 0.0 alliances. And no I am not saying that alliances are for the pros only but I don't think they are for noobs either. Celes/Toxin vs BOB



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