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Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Car Salesman A dying alliance who is forced to use empire heavily again comes crying to the forums, lol, classic. lol, classic, random noob with no ticker decides to post with an alt about stuff he knows nothing about. Our entire membership lives constantly in 0.0. retard. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:48:00 - [92] Originally by: BlackPrince To the OP: I'd suggest you stick to what you know. Why is that self declared "experts" in one field feel that their expertise carries over to a totally unrelated field? The merc business is booming, and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. If your alliance can't protect you, perhaps you should look at aiding the merc market and hire some to protect you. Second, Privateers do offer an alternative for those Carebear corps for whose case you claim to plead. An example: Prior to joining KIA, my corporation, Trinity Nova, was contracted against an Empire industrial Alliance. They were outclassed, and knew it. They contracted Privateers against us, for what little good it did. Still, I'm sure they felt better knowing they were at least able to offer some token resistance. Are privateers annoying? Somewhat. Do they hinder gameplay? Only for the stupid and lazy. I like to think of Privateers as adding chlorine to the Jita (and surrounding systems) gene pool. no... the major alliance mercs are benifiting... the small merc corps are dieing out... in fact most seem to join privateers. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Crazy Tasty To the OP, parroting mindless incorrect trash FTL. Most of your post is the same idiotic smack that has been spewed about Privateers for the last few months, the rest is just lunacy or whining. Take a look at our killboard sometime and most of your arguments will be shot down right there. Not really much else to say that hasn't been said already. Your blatant bias and wildly incorrect statements killed your post the moment you made it. YES! "lets throw as many long words into a sentence and hope no one understands that i really am trying to distract attention from the actual argument here" People like you sit at your computers batting off every argument as senseless spam and smack. Unless you can counter argue my beliefs... which is not pointing to a KB that shows prodominantly ganks of ships barely able to defend themselves... then stop posting and go back to camping jita... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:54:00 - [94] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Arakk Originally by: Angelus Xenotov My summation: 1. Boo hoo. 2. Making war decs cost more is: Silly. 3. Allowing concord bribery is not right, wars are fine as is. 4. If you're a carebear corp who has zero pvp skills and gets war decced, run (Like the cowards you are) back to an NPC corp. (But we want POS'S!! You cry, well then, better get some fighting skills then, idiots.) 5. CCP altering the game dynamics because Privateers go to war AND ACTUALLY FIGHT IN IT is silly, if you disagree with that, quit EvE, one less whiner is always a good thing. Wait you actually think privateers fight? They generally only enguage ships that dont have guns, you know the ones that show up on your overview as a rectangle. Well...unless they outnumber those ships with guns by 2/3-1. What you fail to realize is the only reason they war dec is to pirate 0.0 alliances, primarily as they come to empire to trade. As you should know the word privateer was formed as a phrase for volunteer pirates in the 1600's. Clearly CCP intended for pirates to be able to hunt everywhere in the game with no consequence on security status, no concord interference, and no ability by players to force them to fight when you bring a ship with guns. Privateers have changed the game, you might not be able to comprehend what im about to say, but they have permanently decced more than half of the game's players. Therefore they as players have changed thousands of systems to 0.0 security status for tens of thousands of people that play. If you think CCP designed the war dec system and empire with this in mind as a possibility, well i hope you dont hold a position that requires logical thinking in real life. translation: ohnoes our alliance carebear nubs are getting killed, CCP halp! hey keta how bout you post here with your privateer char so i can come looking for you... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Thomas Maleficus Caldari all professions	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:12:00 - [95] I've got no problem with what they do. My last corp was dec'd by them, we fought them. If people don't want to deal with war dec's they have options. No changes needed. To be honest, EVE is a very gritty, reality based game. Like real life it can be very hard, very unforgiving and very unfair at times. But in the end it is just a game.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:03:00 - [96] Originally by: Angelus Xenotov No, CCP designed a system where 1 private corp (And/or alliance) could declare war on another Private corp. Yes, I bolded 'WAR' for a reason, because its a war, not a 'Lets all hug' hippy love fest. Its a simple system, its your 'logic' that fails. Nowhere did you explain how my logic failed, typical filler text slop capped with a stab at an opposing opinion. I also got a kick out of the "translation". Naturally anyone that has a problem with the way privateers operate is a carebear or sticking up for carebears, no way it might be an issue of what someone thinks empire was designed for. Someone mentioned people in 0.0 docking when someone in a war comes...well those people might not own the system 24 hours later losing hundreds of billions of assets. A privateer docks and loses nothing. Its not war, its pirating. Ive done and do pirating, and been in REAL wars. Pirating is not War. Privateers are pirates that get to ignore sec hits, ignore concord, and pirate where and when they please. By YOUR logic, this is okay, by your logic CCP intended sec hits, and the pew pew of concord and gate guns should be a rare occurance because pirates should band together and war dec over 50% of eve. they dont bother me directly, nor affect me in any non-trivial manner, nor anyone i know for that matter. Its like the enron scandal, had little to no effect on me, but it still bothered me that it happened. Haven't you ever disagreed with the way something happened even if it had little to no effect on yourself and the people you know?
Joelloyd	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:39:00 - [97] Im not a big fan of the privateers, i personally think they are abusing the war dec system. I used to loose alot of ships too them, but i just adapted. I started using alt haulers in starting corps to do my hauling. This only required getting to the "verge" of empire and contracting goods to myself. My only problem with them, is that the economy of the game is so centralized around jita, that it makes buying new replacment ships a real pain in the ass. Jita is usually camped 24/7 by 1-6 privateers. When you go to buy a new ship, getting out of the station can take days. ( in one case for me). Warping out of a station with ships flying into you + the black screen of death can really sour a persons gaming experience. Im not afraid to fight them, its just that everytime I try they just warp to the local station. Since i do alot of trading, i have noticed them getting fairly large. It started out with stations being camped by 1-3 players during the busy times of the day. Now it is virtually a 24 hour camp. I do however appreciate that they are decentralizing jita. I feal that something will be done about them by the ccp, they are getting larger and larger and soon they will **** enough people off, that something will be done. Alliances that have enough pvpers that are bored enough to go after them, usually stay off there wardec list. For the rest of us its a semi/minor inconvience, btw props to RK smash for keeping privateers out of geminate.
Kara Mori Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:56:00 - [98] I wish he'd respond to my comments.
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 07:19:00 - [99] Originally by: Kara Mori I wish he'd respond to my comments. ide bother responding to you if i didnt think i had answered the issues you raised in the op. The noob corps that would be wardeced where never perma deced as far as i can remember... furthermore their losses would never be enough to allow the mercs to constantly be paying and targeting them to gain perhaps 3 mill a week... OH WHAT FUN I KILLED ANOTHER SHUTTLE GUYS! THIS ONE HAD A UNIT OF TRIT IN IT! no... alliances have people working with t2 stuff for it in empire... besides even people defending the privateers have said "yes they are high sec pirate" not mercs. The issue now is weather this high sec piracy should be allowed to continue with so few repercussions... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.07 08:28:00 - [100] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq They have to make isk just as any other player and I'm guessing they do it by npcing in 0.0, missions and maybe even mining. You have to do this somewhere right? In empire they have loads of enemies so that makes it a whole lot more difficult. And in 0.0, well that is controlled by the big alliances. I only know two member who run missions (and that takes patience as well as balls imo, fitted for missioning with that many Redstars would be a nightmare for me) - i know none that mine, and I know a few who have 0.0 ratted but mainly for Sec reasons. People could drop corp for all of the above, but our recruitment has been closed for all of this Quater... If I have a bad week in PRIVS I fly frig tackler while the more flush with ISK fly the DPS. You score, you get to fly the big ships until the wallet screams....Rinse and repeat. Avoidance coudpled with smart gang play/fits means I can stay here with my main and never have to grief the Veld roids again - AND before you start I havent been to jita in 4 months - I hate the lag. I DO kill transports + Haulers at every oportunity aswell as probe out deadspace mission runners. Killing them isnt the hard part Tackling/probing them is.That takes patience + skill for a small gang or solo pilot. I have some RL friends in Privateers and they do complexes and npc in 0.0, that is how they make isk when needed. They also said that the alliance isn't activly working together unless it's a big juicy target announced in alliance chat so I am guessing you speek for your corp and not for the alliance. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
BlackPrince Amarr Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:03:00 - [101] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: BlackPrince To the OP: I'd suggest you stick to what you know. Why is that self declared "experts" in one field feel that their expertise carries over to a totally unrelated field? The merc business is booming, and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. If your alliance can't protect you, perhaps you should look at aiding the merc market and hire some to protect you. Second, Privateers do offer an alternative for those Carebear corps for whose case you claim to plead. An example: Prior to joining KIA, my corporation, Trinity Nova, was contracted against an Empire industrial Alliance. They were outclassed, and knew it. They contracted Privateers against us, for what little good it did. Still, I'm sure they felt better knowing they were at least able to offer some token resistance. Are privateers annoying? Somewhat. Do they hinder gameplay? Only for the stupid and lazy. I like to think of Privateers as adding chlorine to the Jita (and surrounding systems) gene pool. no... the major alliance mercs are benifiting... the small merc corps are dieing out... in fact most seem to join privateers. Of course, because you're a Mercenary and spend so much time talking to other mercenary corporations, right? You know the Mercenary market too, don't you? Wrong. Have some joined Privs? Yes, for reasons varying from they couldn't hack it solo to they wanted to experience something different. Given the rotation of corps coming in and out of Privs it's not a huge deal. The Mercenary business has always had a high turnover rate, it always will. Minigan, it's obvious you have some kind of axe to grind with Privs and nothing substantial to really back up your claims. Just say it: I don't like privateers because they wee wee'd in my Cheerios. -=BlackPrince=- "Fair fights are for suckers."
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:15:00 - [102] I really hope for astral wolves that the op is not in any shape or form part of your alliance leadership, because then you people are in serious trouble. There is so much to flame in this thread, that i wont even start, because it would be such a massive wall of text. Just a few points: - The reason why privateers can afford those war decs is because every corp pays for a wardec so it is very well spread out. - Only the careless and stupid will die to privateer camps and those unable to work as a team as well. If you go shopping at jita 4-4 while at war with privateers I really can't help you anymore, nor can anyone except maybe jesus. - Learn 2 play! Seriously... it is not hard to do it like everyone else and haul your stuff in an npc corp alt. Or at least use a SCOUT! I think we had 3 or so times a war declartion from privateers and noone ever cared for it, because thier efficiency is rather bad. There are a few corps within privateers that actually know how to fight and do so, but that's about it. They are for sure no threat to anything organised. --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.07 12:35:00 - [103] Adapt or die (quit). It's 100% fair. Leave the alliance or die out. An alliance should not have empire as a safe heaven. An alliance represents goals and strength. I'm happy alliances are falling apart because it whows who are strong and who are weak. As I adapt or die/quit insert threat here. Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.07 13:16:00 - [104] Originally by: Minigin hey keta how bout you post here with your privateer char so i can come looking for you... i don't have any other chars. but privateers can be very useful to people like me
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 13:43:00 - [105] To all you who feal the need to tell me that im uber noob because i dont wtf pwn those nublet privateers... IF YOUR SO HARD! MR. Trimverate and MR. KIA HOW BOUT YOU GO AND **ING KILL THEM YOURSELVES? "oh but if you go shoping whil war deced your an idiot..." I WOULDNT ING MIND IF IT WAS A WEEK WAR OR EVEN A MONTH WAR.... BUT TO HAVE A CONSTANT WAR DEC AND NOT GO SHOPPING ARE YOU RETARDED? NO PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST ZAP SHIPS OUT OF THIN AIR INTO MY 0.0 HANGER!!!! "well i hope your leadership hasnt got anything to do with this cos its all flames" WHERE THE IS THE FLAMING? I FIND THIS A SERIOUS ABUSE OF A WAR DEC SYSTEM! I BELIEVE CCP NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE USED IN SUCH A WAY AND IM MAKING MY POV HEARD! IF OYU HAVE A ING PROBLEM WITH THAT GTFO MY THREAD PLZ! "your so nub cos you cant hac empire pvp, your probably an indutrialists" ING RIGHT I MINE THE ORE OUTTA YOUR ING SHIPS! (for those of you who are getting mad at my caps lock... imagine me screaming very loudly into this guys face...) "they war deced us and did nothing... cos they suck... you should hire us..." ** you... your no better than they are. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:07:00 - [106] Edited by: Dekiri on 07/04/2007 14:09:46 Edited by: Dekiri on 07/04/2007 14:07:38 Originally by: Minigin To all you who feal the need to tell me that im uber noob because i dont wtf pwn those nublet privateers... IF YOUR SO HARD! MR. Trimverate and MR. KIA HOW BOUT YOU GO AND **ING KILL THEM YOURSELVES? "oh but if you go shoping whil war deced your an idiot..." I WOULDNT ING MIND IF IT WAS A WEEK WAR OR EVEN A MONTH WAR.... BUT TO HAVE A CONSTANT WAR DEC AND NOT GO SHOPPING ARE YOU RETARDED? NO PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST ZAP SHIPS OUT OF THIN AIR INTO MY 0.0 HANGER!!!! "well i hope your leadership hasnt got anything to do with this cos its all flames" WHERE THE IS THE FLAMING? I FIND THIS A SERIOUS ABUSE OF A WAR DEC SYSTEM! I BELIEVE CCP NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE USED IN SUCH A WAY AND IM MAKING MY POV HEARD! IF OYU HAVE A ING PROBLEM WITH THAT GTFO MY THREAD PLZ! "your so nub cos you cant hac empire pvp, your probably an indutrialists" ING RIGHT I MINE THE ORE OUTTA YOUR ING SHIPS! (for those of you who are getting mad at my caps lock... imagine me screaming very loudly into this guys face...) "they war deced us and did nothing... cos they suck... you should hire us..." you... your no better than they are. I sense a bleeding vagina. I would strongly suggest you seek help my friend, because you apparently have lost your marbles. I am quite sure KIA and TRI have both killed more privateers then your alliance has ever, so stop with that nonsense. IF you are seriously that troubled about a freaking empire war dec then you probably should look into WoW or something like that where you can never loose something and everybody is happy! On a second note.. please don't you are a fountain of joy=p It is btw not rocket science to avoid getting killed in highsec. It is actually quite easy to organise. If your members are not smart enough to avoid getting ganked over and over in empire privateers are for sure not your biggest problem. And I will repeat.... I HOPE for your alliance that you have nothing to say in it, because you make your alliance look like a bunch of nice targets who also will come to the forums and cry if hurt enough, wich alone would make me war dec you if I was a pirate=) PS: The use of the caps lock key like you seem to like it is probably also a guaranteed way to get people to laugh at your emo ways. --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!**
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:26:00 - [107] Oh ye... learn2play! --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:35:00 - [108] Originally by: Dekiri Edited by: Dekiri on 07/04/2007 14:19:39 Originally by: Minigin To all you who feal the need to tell me that im uber noob because i dont wtf pwn those nublet privateers... IF YOUR SO HARD! MR. Trimverate and MR. KIA HOW BOUT YOU GO AND **ING KILL THEM YOURSELVES? "oh but if you go shoping whil war deced your an idiot..." I WOULDNT ING MIND IF IT WAS A WEEK WAR OR EVEN A MONTH WAR.... BUT TO HAVE A CONSTANT WAR DEC AND NOT GO SHOPPING ARE YOU RETARDED? NO PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST ZAP SHIPS OUT OF THIN AIR INTO MY 0.0 HANGER!!!! "well i hope your leadership hasnt got anything to do with this cos its all flames" WHERE THE IS THE FLAMING? I FIND THIS A SERIOUS ABUSE OF A WAR DEC SYSTEM! I BELIEVE CCP NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE USED IN SUCH A WAY AND IM MAKING MY POV HEARD! IF OYU HAVE A ING PROBLEM WITH THAT GTFO MY THREAD PLZ! "your so nub cos you cant hac empire pvp, your probably an indutrialists" ING RIGHT I MINE THE ORE OUTTA YOUR ING SHIPS! (for those of you who are getting mad at my caps lock... imagine me screaming very loudly into this guys face...) "they war deced us and did nothing... cos they suck... you should hire us..." ** you... your no better than they are. I sense a bleeding vagina. I would strongly suggest you seek help my friend, because you apparently have lost your marbles. I am quite sure KIA and TRI have both killed more privateers then your alliance has ever, so stop with that nonsense. IF you are seriously that troubled about a freaking empire war dec then you probably should look into WoW or something like that where you can never loose something and everybody is happy! On a second note.. please don't you are a fountain of joy=p It is btw not rocket science to avoid getting killed in highsec. It is actually quite easy to organise. If your members are not smart enough to avoid getting ganked over and over in empire privateers are for sure not your biggest problem. And I will repeat.... I HOPE for your alliance that you have nothing to say in it, because you make your alliance look like a bunch of nice targets who also will come to the forums and cry if hurt enough, wich alone would make me war dec you if I was a pirate=) Btw... shouting at KIA or TRI can easily get you some serious extra fun if you are not a bit more careful. I am sure your superiors would cry like babies if they received the proper answer to such well placed words. I am not sure how long you have been playing eve, but I am VERY sure that you have no idea what you are on about when you start arguing with the wrong people about nonsense. If anyone has yet not war declared your alliance you are seriously advertising it well. As I already said, this thread alone would make me seriously interested in a war dec against your alliance, since you guys apparently lack the ability to defend your own asses. PS: The use of the caps lock key like you seem to like it is probably also a guaranteed way to get people to laugh at your emo ways. oh so you seriously think KIA and Tri would drop what they are doing and attack wolf because your pride is hurt that you just where made a fool out of? On a completly seperate point... you lot have no clue what your talking about... privateers have only ever killed a shuttle of mine... so im not doing this because they kill me... im posting because i think what they are doing is not what CCP intended and i think things have to change to ensure the continued existance of high sec space. and tbh i think kia and tri are both great pvp alliances but your posts here made little if any sense and i think if your so confident in your abilities and think the privateer menace can be solved through brute force... you should show me and the rest of the verse. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
BlackPrince Amarr Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:38:00 - [109] Edited by: BlackPrince on 07/04/2007 14:35:35 Originally by: Minigin To all you who feal the need to tell me that im uber noob because i dont wtf pwn those nublet privateers... IF YOUR SO HARD! MR. Trimverate and MR. KIA HOW BOUT YOU GO AND **ING KILL THEM YOURSELVES? "oh but if you go shoping whil war deced your an idiot..." I WOULDNT ING MIND IF IT WAS A WEEK WAR OR EVEN A MONTH WAR.... BUT TO HAVE A CONSTANT WAR DEC AND NOT GO SHOPPING ARE YOU RETARDED? NO PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST ZAP SHIPS OUT OF THIN AIR INTO MY 0.0 HANGER!!!! "well i hope your leadership hasnt got anything to do with this cos its all flames" WHERE THE IS THE FLAMING? I FIND THIS A SERIOUS ABUSE OF A WAR DEC SYSTEM! I BELIEVE CCP NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE USED IN SUCH A WAY AND IM MAKING MY POV HEARD! IF OYU HAVE A ING PROBLEM WITH THAT GTFO MY THREAD PLZ! "your so nub cos you cant hac empire pvp, your probably an indutrialists" ING RIGHT I MINE THE ORE OUTTA YOUR ING SHIPS! (for those of you who are getting mad at my caps lock... imagine me screaming very loudly into this guys face...) "they war deced us and did nothing... cos they suck... you should hire us..." ** you... your no better than they are. Wow. Would you like a tissue for that? As far as killing Privateers, we have, the two times they were contracted against us and we achieved a 3:1 kill ratio against them both times. Privateers go after two types of targets: The easy ones and the ones they get paid to shoot at. I think it's become abundantly clear where exactly you fall on that totem pole. As far as being no better than they are, I never claimed any moral superiority. I just pointed out that you're obviously not a Mercenary and don't even have the foggiest notion what the current job market is for pilots in my chosen profession. You're argument to the contrary was based on assumptions and nothing more. This is obviously an emotional issue for you, and one where you're completely incapable and or unwilling to argue with any resembling logic. You use ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with you, make up "facts" on the fly, and use tired arguments which, were you to actually fight Privateers or look at their kb, are quite obviously wrong. Do they camp? Yes. Camping is one of the most effective means of killing an unwilling (or unsuspecting) foe in the game. So does everyone else. Do they perma war-dec corps or Alliances? Yes, those that have proven to be fun or profitable for them. Being a Mercenary you learn to take nothing personal because you lose you're edge. Thats what separates the professionals from the amateurs. Well, that and a lot of other things but thats a tangent for another time. Stop giving them easy kills and maybe they'll move on. As far as us dealing with Privateers. We're Mercenaries, pay us and we will. Otherwise, unless they war dec us, we have little if any interest in pursuing them as there are no isk to be made doing so. That's how the Mercenary business model works, but I'm sure you already knew that given your obvious expertise in the field of Mercenary Corporations. -=BlackPrince=- "Fair fights are for suckers."
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:45:00 - [110] Originally by: BlackPrince Edited by: BlackPrince on 07/04/2007 14:35:35 Originally by: Minigin To all you who feal the need to tell me that im uber noob because i dont wtf pwn those nublet privateers... IF YOUR SO HARD! MR. Trimverate and MR. KIA HOW BOUT YOU GO AND **ING KILL THEM YOURSELVES? "oh but if you go shoping whil war deced your an idiot..." I WOULDNT ING MIND IF IT WAS A WEEK WAR OR EVEN A MONTH WAR.... BUT TO HAVE A CONSTANT WAR DEC AND NOT GO SHOPPING ARE YOU RETARDED? NO PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST ZAP SHIPS OUT OF THIN AIR INTO MY 0.0 HANGER!!!! "well i hope your leadership hasnt got anything to do with this cos its all flames" WHERE THE IS THE FLAMING? I FIND THIS A SERIOUS ABUSE OF A WAR DEC SYSTEM! I BELIEVE CCP NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE USED IN SUCH A WAY AND IM MAKING MY POV HEARD! IF OYU HAVE A ING PROBLEM WITH THAT GTFO MY THREAD PLZ! "your so nub cos you cant hac empire pvp, your probably an indutrialists" ING RIGHT I MINE THE ORE OUTTA YOUR ING SHIPS! (for those of you who are getting mad at my caps lock... imagine me screaming very loudly into this guys face...) "they war deced us and did nothing... cos they suck... you should hire us..." ** you... your no better than they are. Wow. Would you like a tissue for that? As far as killing Privateers, we have, the two times they were contracted against us and we achieved a 3:1 kill ratio against them both times. Privateers go after two types of targets: The easy ones and the ones they get paid to shoot at. I think it's become abundantly clear where exactly you fall on that totem pole. As far as being no better than they are, I never claimed any moral superiority. I just pointed out that you're obviously not a Mercenary and don't even have the foggiest notion what the current job market is for pilots in my chosen profession. You're argument to the contrary was based on assumptions and nothing more. This is obviously an emotional issue for you, and one where you're completely incapable and or unwilling to argue with any resembling logic. You use ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with you, make up "facts" on the fly, and use tired arguments which, were you to actually fight Privateers or look at their kb, are quite obviously wrong. Do they camp? Yes. Camping is one of the most effective means of killing an unwilling (or unsuspecting) foe in the game. So does everyone else. Do they perma war-dec corps or Alliances? Yes, those that have proven to be fun or profitable for them. Being a Mercenary you learn to take nothing personal because you lose you're edge. Thats what separates the professionals from the amateurs. Well, that and a lot of other things but thats a tangent for another time. Stop giving them easy kills and maybe they'll move on. As far as us dealing with Privateers. We're Mercenaries, pay us and we will. Otherwise, unless they war dec us, we have little if any interest in pursuing them as there are no isk to be made doing so. That's how the Mercenary business model works, but I'm sure you already knew that given your obvious expertise in the field of Mercenary Corporations. youve made a believer out of me... Camping jita 4 - 4 is fine... you're much smarter than me... and you know that ive been leaking easy kills to them in my awsome t2 haulers... i will be hiring you as soon as i can afford a war dec and im sure you'll accept. Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:48:00 - [111] Originally by: Minigin oh so you seriously think KIA and Tri would drop what they are doing and attack wolf because your pride is hurt that you just where made a fool out of? On a completly seperate point... you lot have no clue what your talking about... privateers have only ever killed a shuttle of mine... so im not doing this because they kill me... im posting because i think what they are doing is not what CCP intended and i think things have to change to ensure the continued existance of high sec space. and tbh i think kia and tri are both great pvp alliances but your posts here made little if any sense and i think if your so confident in your abilities and think the privateer menace can be solved through brute force... you should show me and the rest of the verse. We have declared wars for less my friend =p And I do know that at some point if someone is to annoying and flames our alliance or people he will get his share in one way or the other=) You are already being a problem for your alliance if you ask me. If you really think anyone indicated that the "privateer menace" can be solved through brute force, then you still don't get it. And I am going to call you a noob on this again, because first of all you will not solve a "problem" like privateers by shooting their ships. The only way you can get rid of them is by not getting shot. And if you are not getting shot by them, they are a non issue. If you really believe anyone of us here believes that you are "just doing it for the sake of ccp and the game" I have to say that you really did loose your marbles. You are crying here like a baby and you apparently had someone pod you or you would not be as emo about it. Be it on that char or another I really don't care. Your corp is apparently the biggest "loser" to privateers in your whole alliance 2kills 90losses?.. I guess our ideas are not to far off when we call you a noob. Your corp alone seems to loose 4 to 5 ships DAILY to privs... Your problem is idiocy, not privateers. --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:51:00 - [112] Edited by: Dekiri on 07/04/2007 14:48:28 Originally by: Minigin youve made a believer out of me... Camping jita 4 - 4 is fine... you're much smarter than me... and you know that ive been leaking easy kills to them in my awsome t2 haulers... i will be hiring you as soon as i can afford a war dec and im sure you'll accept. The fact that this is an alt of your has probably reached everyone here by now. Unless of course you really never shoot anyone ever ... Is it really so hard to grasp? DO NOT BUY YOUR STUFF IN JITA WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN WAR DECCED PERIOD There are many other places to buy your things, but if you guys keep going to jita.... --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:55:00 - [113] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Minigin oh so you seriously think KIA and Tri would drop what they are doing and attack wolf because your pride is hurt that you just where made a fool out of? On a completly seperate point... you lot have no clue what your talking about... privateers have only ever killed a shuttle of mine... so im not doing this because they kill me... im posting because i think what they are doing is not what CCP intended and i think things have to change to ensure the continued existance of high sec space. and tbh i think kia and tri are both great pvp alliances but your posts here made little if any sense and i think if your so confident in your abilities and think the privateer menace can be solved through brute force... you should show me and the rest of the verse. We have declared wars for less my friend =p And I do know that at some point if someone is to annoying and flames our alliance or people he will get his share in one way or the other=) You are already being a problem for your alliance if you ask me. If you really think anyone indicated that the "privateer menace" can be solved through brute force, then you still don't get it. And I am going to call you a noob on this again, because first of all you will not solve a "problem" like privateers by shooting their ships. The only way you can get rid of them is by not getting shot. And if you are not getting shot by them, they are a non issue. If you really believe anyone of us here believes that you are "just doing it for the sake of ccp and the game" I have to say that you really did loose your marbles. You are crying here like a baby and you apparently had someone pod you or you would not be as emo about it. Be it on that char or another I really don't care. Your corp is apparently the biggest "loser" to privateers in your whole alliance 2kills 90losses?.. I guess our ideas are not to far off when we call you a noob. Your corp alone seems to loose 4 to 5 ships DAILY to privs... Your problem is idiocy, not privateers. oh and you of course checked my personal stats against them? nono i insit your right im a noob. how dare i lose 1 pod to privateers and get so... worked up about things... youve cut to the core of the issue... my entire corp is alts of me... thats surely why im doing this... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 14:59:00 - [114] Originally by: Minigin oh and you of course checked my personal stats against them? nono i insit your right im a noob. how dare i lose 1 pod to privateers and get so... worked up about things... youve cut to the core of the issue... my entire corp is alts of me... thats surely why im doing this... Of course i did check your personal stats against them. I am not like you talking out of my anus, I try to know what I am talking about before I do it (unlike you!). I would love to keep flaming you, but you even fail as a target for that tbh .. I mean if you had at least TRIED to tackle my points... like .. at all .... --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:01:00 - [115] Edited by: Minigin on 07/04/2007 15:00:58 Originally by: Dekiri Edited by: Dekiri on 07/04/2007 14:48:28 Originally by: Minigin youve made a believer out of me... Camping jita 4 - 4 is fine... you're much smarter than me... and you know that ive been leaking easy kills to them in my awsome t2 haulers... i will be hiring you as soon as i can afford a war dec and im sure you'll accept. The fact that this is an alt of your has probably reached everyone here by now. Unless of course you really never shoot anyone ever ... Is it really so hard to grasp? DO NOT BUY YOUR STUFF IN JITA WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN WAR DECCED PERIOD There are many other places to buy your things, but if you guys keep going to jita.... wow sarcasm doesnt come out well over the net but heres evidance to you fools who think im not a pvper and this isnt my main. Linkage edit: other markets are just as bad... ammar is for sure... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:10:00 - [116] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Dekiri Edited by: Dekiri on 07/04/2007 14:48:28 Originally by: Minigin youve made a believer out of me... Camping jita 4 - 4 is fine... you're much smarter than me... and you know that ive been leaking easy kills to them in my awsome t2 haulers... i will be hiring you as soon as i can afford a war dec and im sure you'll accept. The fact that this is an alt of your has probably reached everyone here by now. Unless of course you really never shoot anyone ever ... Is it really so hard to grasp? DO NOT BUY YOUR STUFF IN JITA WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN WAR DECCED PERIOD There are many other places to buy your things, but if you guys keep going to jita.... wow sarcasm doesnt come out well over the net but heres evidance to you fools who think im not a pvper and this isnt my main. Linkage Forum rules my friend! .. thou art not allowed to post killboard links! Btw... since you did not even post that loss to privateers on your own killboard I think we can assume that you dont post your losses anyways and your real stats are terrible. You are still a noob and a carebear ... sorry --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Dirt McGirtt Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:12:00 - [117] Originally by: Minigin To all you who feal the need to tell me that im uber noob because i dont wtf pwn those nublet privateers... IF YOUR SO HARD! MR. Trimverate and MR. KIA HOW BOUT YOU GO AND **ING KILL THEM YOURSELVES? "oh but if you go shoping whil war deced your an idiot..." I WOULDNT ING MIND IF IT WAS A WEEK WAR OR EVEN A MONTH WAR.... BUT TO HAVE A CONSTANT WAR DEC AND NOT GO SHOPPING ARE YOU RETARDED? NO PERHAPS I SHOULD JUST ZAP SHIPS OUT OF THIN AIR INTO MY 0.0 HANGER!!!! "well i hope your leadership hasnt got anything to do with this cos its all flames" WHERE THE IS THE FLAMING? I FIND THIS A SERIOUS ABUSE OF A WAR DEC SYSTEM! I BELIEVE CCP NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE USED IN SUCH A WAY AND IM MAKING MY POV HEARD! IF OYU HAVE A ING PROBLEM WITH THAT GTFO MY THREAD PLZ! "your so nub cos you cant hac empire pvp, your probably an indutrialists" ING RIGHT I MINE THE ORE OUTTA YOUR ING SHIPS! (for those of you who are getting mad at my caps lock... imagine me screaming very loudly into this guys face...) "they war deced us and did nothing... cos they suck... you should hire us..." ** you... your no better than they are. Ahoy matey! me thinks ye need to get yer noggin checked; yarrrr! Now bring me a servin' wench to bid me me pleasures!
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:41:00 - [118] Every game will have griefers, and PA is just that ona large scale. They are whatyou call 'weenies' in the gaming world. So what can be done? nothing with current game mechanics... same with login traps, they are stated to be lame, and yet people still do it. CCP worries too much about other small crap, like the correct data written on the info of a t1 frig, and put aside what players really care about. Wars are not free, and price should not be the only stake on wars... CCP needs to implement a constant decreasing of security status for all war members making hostile attacks in high secs. CONCORD can no longer look the other war at free wars in safe space. You attack in caldari space with YOUR war... why should caldari continue to like you?
DJTheBaron Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:45:00 - [119] The aggro 60 second timer for docking should be at least doubled, roleplay oh dear your modules are too hot to dock, there are currently debris falling off your ship, wait right there while i reconfigure the tractor not to rip you in two etc. Most alliances are in 0.0, and their members live there for the most part, if theyre tough enough to withstand the rigors of 0.0 then they can survive high and low sec wars by using a little common sence and teamwork. However it wouldnt be a bad idea to add a greater multiplier to the cost of multiple war decs. I personally lost my first ever rokh, fitted with blasters and an officer tank i was transporting for my phoenix during an unscheduled reboot where i decided i could logon quicker than they could, and didnt... lol its all about risk vs reward and taking responsibility for your actions and allegiances, something most people are unwilling to do. __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:15:00 - [120] I like privateers. Of the last 4 times I undocked in Orvolle, the first time I got shot by one, who was promptly concordokened, and I nicked his loot (5 mil or so), the second time I undocked one had a can next to me, so I nicked that too (10 mil or so), the third time nothing happened, so I just tested cap use as I was meaning to anyway, and the fourth time I saw somebody swearing in local, undocked, nicked his loot (80 mils worth), got shot a bit by some ****ty damage privateers, then redocked. Why bother trying to shoot them when they die so well on their own? sgb

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