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Novaseeker Amatin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2017.01.09 18:21:48 - [91] - Quote Yeah my gun skills are garbage, haven't trained anything in there yet, I focused early on maxing out all gallente alpha available drone skills and then shield skills, I know my dps still needs working on. I'm still training engineering skills now because I could use a bit more cap. The point was that it is perfectly doable for alphas to run level 4 missions, even security ones, by paying attention to what you fit, what you fight, how you fight, etc. Was mostly addressing the guy on the first page of the thread that was so vehement in saying that it's impossible. As an addendum, I would like to say that being an alpha, I don't have to focus on maximizing isk/hour, being an alpha I don't have to worry about the subscription time running out and trying to get isk for a plex as quickly as possible, I like to take things at leisure and explore what I can do with the limited tools that I have at my disposal.
Casandra Laur KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 16	Posted - 2017.01.11 22:04:28 - [92] - Quote Maybe as a final statement on Alphas doing L4 missions, maybe. Yes, some L4 missions an Alpha is capable of doing. Will they do it in a timely manner? No. Also, there are some L4 missions that an Alpha will simply fail at. (please don't try this at home.) That should just about sum it up. -Cassy (I shouldn't say, but I'm working on a Gnosis fit that has two large ancillary boosters. So far everything fits and is cap stable, and still puts out some decent damage. The Gnosis has a great cargo bay for the booster charges. Shield hp reps is almost 200.)
Zylon Grey University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.01.26 11:03:00 - [93] - Quote Hi, I-¦m an Alpha with nearly all skills learned that are available for me and tried a ton of fitts for Gnosis to get the L4 done. The only problem solo are the Warlord class ships. On long range with drones not enough dmg to bring them down on close range possible but it will take for ever and you will need a lot of cap booster to stay alive for every single warlord. Also it-¦s only possible if you only have to tank two of them at a time. If you face more than two close together no chance. Same for the L3 extra rooms also Warlords here. Because of this the time you have to spent is enough to do two L3 what will be more ISK than one L4 If someone want-¦s to try go in with a railgun long range gnosis to to kill the smal ships out of range of the warlords after that switch to a short range blaster gnosis to finsh the warlords (or antimatter charge for the rails -> takes longer but don-¦t have to change ship) In addition I think there will be some missions with sentry guns that fire very long range what will make it impossible !
Isaac Silverblood Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2017.02.25 21:40:28 - [94] - Quote Could this run lv 4's? [Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR] Sentient Damage Control True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Drone Link Augmentor I True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Federation Navy Hammerhead x5
walker Hanomaa Ploob Alliance 7	Posted - 2017.02.25 22:50:37 - [95] - Quote If we are talking solo: tis a no but in a fleet; hell yes i run l4 missions with a group of people :D
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5779	Posted - 2017.02.26 03:10:52 - [96] - Quote In terms of reward, I think you'll be further ahead running L3s as an Alpha unless as was suggested - you band together as a group to run them more effectively. You really need to be able to put out in excess of 800 sustained DPS to ensure L4s aren't more than a grind than they already are. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 870	Posted - 2017.02.26 11:41:17 - [97] - Quote Level 3's can be run solo in a frigate. Needs a little bling, but no skills that are alpha-locked. Most level 4's are doable in a cruiser. Neither is very efficient (or efficient at all), but it's doable. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5792	Posted - 2017.02.26 14:28:59 - [98] - Quote Emphasis in "doable". You can also mine in a Rokh - but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Wolfgang Jannesen The Evesploratory Society 76	Posted - 2017.02.26 15:19:28 - [99] - Quote As a man who runs a lot of missions, there isn't a point, it'd be neat and maybe doable with 5 cruisers, but it will always be mission dependant and even then it could be a very long, gruelling slog for a significant chunk less money than any Omega character could make doing the same thing solo.
ImYourMom Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution. 122	Posted - 2017.02.26 19:08:27 - [100] - Quote Jotunspor wrote: Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. You can do a haven in a Vexor navy

Hakawai State War Academy Caldari State 72	Posted - 2017.02.26 19:57:53 - [101] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: Jotunspor wrote: Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. You can do a haven in a Vexor navy AFAIK my Alpha has done all the L3 Security missions in a normal Vexor. Of course the ship is specifically fitted for this purpose. The main trade-off is relatively low DPS in exchange for very long range. If I wanted to optimize for ISK/hour I'd have two (maybe three) ships, and a mission/ship list so I could choose the one that provided the best ISK/hour for each mission. I'd certainly include a gun/drone hybrid, which would have anything up to twice the dps - better for the easier L3's, but not enough tank for the hard ones. I've taken a cruiser into moderately difficult Security L4's a couple of times (protected by someone in a more appropriate ship of course). My T1 Vexors with Alpha restrictions don't have the dps to deal with the harder rats, and take far too long to drop the medium-strength ones. OTOH three or four T1 cruisers would be enough for any L4 I've tried out. The problem there is trust. The way loot is distributed in missions encourages theft, and it only takes one thief in the group. What sane EVE player would trust three strangers?
Mhargit Kohvats Steel and Iron Regiment 0	Posted - 2017.03.02 08:51:11 - [102] - Quote Isaac Silverblood wrote: Could this run lv 4's? [Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR] Sentient Damage Control True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Drone Link Augmentor I True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Federation Navy Hammerhead x5 That's a 1.7B fit... Its a plex+well fitted BS. BTW, i did a lot of lvl3's in an Omen. Now I started lvl4 in an Omen Navy. I like it! It's sometimes boring when u shoot battleships for minutes, but its not a warp in stand-shoot-loot kind of game. It takes time, challangeing, sometimes makes you angry but defenetly better than farm for plex. If you want to make ISK you can do DED 3/10 and 4/10 easily in a faction crusier.
Ninteen Seventy-Nine Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 259	Posted - 2017.03.02 18:37:12 - [103] - Quote Isaac Silverblood wrote: Could this run lv 4's? [Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR] Sentient Damage Control True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Drone Link Augmentor I True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Federation Navy Hammerhead x5 You could do lvl 4s. You could also be ganked with the force of 1000 suns. "The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1323	Posted - 2017.03.03 09:49:16 - [104] - Quote Alasdan Helminthauge wrote: Pix Severus wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Pix Severus wrote: The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then. They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire. Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently! I think he's wrong, unless the change is after 12/06 instead of Ascension. Cargo Delivery and Recon (all 3) can be done by anyone can fly a frigate with a 5MN MWD and basic tanks. and I think among other lv4 missions, blood raider spies, right hand of Zazz, stop the thief, pirate invasion, serpentis assault, unauthorized military presence, pot and kettle (1/5) and surprise surprise should be handable for a maxed-skilled alpha clone with lots of player experience, solo by blitzing. I'm sure I'm miss some others. if they want good isk/hr, they should go to check for the cargo delivery and recon (probably also stop the thief and pot and kettle 1/5) missions. and if they've fleeted, 2 should be enough for team burner and 3 for agent burner, maybe 3 and 4 for more efficience. Trust me I am not wrong on this. I did several today. L4 Cargo Delivery spawns 2-3 BS and 2-3 cruisers depending on the spawn. Its still easily doable in a frigate with MWD but slow boating in a shuttle will be murder. Sunesis with alpha skills and a mild passive tank can do this still. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin State War Academy Caldari State 33	Posted - 2017.03.03 12:47:38 - [105] - Quote Alpha bots are running level 4 courier missions.
LordGirl Flowers Minmatar Commonwealth Society Commonwealth Coalition 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 10:40:55 - [106] - Quote Hello, I thought I'd add my experience since I've successfully completed a number of Level 4 missions, in the last week, using an Alpha-fitted Gnosis with 720 and 650 MM Artys. Doable: Yes, Efficient: No Some of the earlier posters queried: "Can it be done efficiently?". The short answer is "Not really". Additionally, some of the bigger missions I did not complete (though farming bounties is comparatively good for Alpha income). DPS DPS is almost 290, but 55 comes from drones and they are limited to 25 km's (not great). I have maxed possible drone skills, they are good for taking down small ships as usual. Almost Maxxed Skills I played in 2011 for 3 months, and played again as Alpha (3 weeks) then as Omega (3 months) since December 2016. My SP is around 7.5 million and I am effectively maxed for Minmatar medium weapons and combats systems that would directly or indirectly affect performance and dps. Highs Slots, Guns: I'll add the fit soon but its almost identical to my Maelstrom fit, except using 720 and 650 mm guns (not 120mm guns). 3 720s, 2 650s and a heavy missile launcher, I also have heavy missiles 3 and warhead upgrades to 2 or 3. Again DPS is 290, could hit 300 by using the very best 'named' 720's and 650's. Range of the guns is 57 Km's with titanium sabot and 39 Km's with EMP and Fusion. (heavy Launcher 47 km flight time) Shield Tank same as Maelstrom Tank is effectively identical to my Maelstrom, mid-slots: MWD 50MN Y-T8, Large Sheild Booster (top named), Large cap booster with 800's (1 per cycle), I Adaptive Inv, 2 x 'Damage Type' Shields The tank is absolutely supreme, there is almost no difference between the Maelstrom Sheild Tank and the Gnosis shield tank, even though the Mael has double HP. The sheild tank enables you to survive. The 900m3 enables you to carry around 25 800 cap boosters. It's also the problem though - you have to restock these because under fire you're pumping the cap and the shield. Low Slots 3 Gyro II's, 1 Tracking Enhancer II, 2 mark I Reactor Control Units. The reactor/cpu is the issue, Without the reactor control units you cant use the 720's, and I could only use 3. Rigs 1 damage and 1 rate of fire rig General Comments and Additional Info I stock an MTU which helps in timing, the 900M3 again is actually better than the Maelstrom. The shield tank is awesome and stands up under fire from up to say 4 or 5 battlehships (worth 500K bounty each). it's impressive but its burns through booster 800's. I have to refill these when spawns and waves number beyond 3. For multiple rooms its multiple restocks. Sheild Tank is awesome and more than respectable for Level 4, dps is low and slow but doable, just not efficient. Drones at 25km's is a draw back aswell. The MWD grants me 1000 m/s and this is incredibly useful to get out of **. (pretty sure I have max skills here aswell, if not its 3% less than max skills) ISK/hour** At this stage, Id say isk per hour is around 6 to 10 million in consideration of market return on loot, mission reward and mission bonus and bounties. This doesn't include 2500 to 4000 typical LP (I have best SP connections) per mission. Id say smaller and medium missions can be done in 1 to 1.5 hours.
LordGirl Flowers Minmatar Commonwealth Society Commonwealth Coalition 0	Posted - 2017.03.18 10:55:09 - [107] - Quote Casandra Laur wrote: I, myself, do not want to do any arguing. I would like to think that an Alpha thinking about L4s, might game some insight from this post. Did you know that "Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (in the nominative case +¦++ß+¦-â+¦-é f.). It generally signifies a dualistic knowledge in the sense of mystical enlightenment or "insight"." Any way, this is the very first post: "Any Alpha clone managed to do L4 missions yet? -efficiently or doable?" It seems like to me that means doing them solo. It's just not a simple yes or no answer, that's why we're into the 5th page. An Alpha could do some L4's. Mission's like "Enemies Abound", no. "The Anomaly Part 1 and 2", yes; part 3, no. "The Assault", no. "Cargo Delivery", yes. "Dread Pirate Scarlet", no. "Guristas Spies", no. "Recon", yes. etc. etc. I'm sure that if there is a difficult L4 mission that could be completed by an Alpha, it wouldn't be done efficiently. A person in a heavy tanked Drake, could do possibly all L4s, but it would take forever. The overall outlook for L4s for a solo Alpha, as the OP asked, is not good. I don't think Alphas are going to get rich quick. -Cassy Hey, Ill post my fit shortly, but they are very doable in a Gnosis. As I point out above I use a shield tank as a minmatar pilot and artys (720s and 650s). It is not efficient, but it is doable for small and medium (most) Level 4 missions. Isk / hour is probably quite good for alpha at 6 mill to 10 mill (per hour) . Better than venture mining ore and more reliable than venture ninja gas mining! Cheers
Nate Hill Rocket No. 9 52	Posted - 2017.03.18 11:58:19 - [108] - Quote I refuse to do level 4 mission without Golem.
Finn Aireman Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.04.19 02:27:45 - [109] - Quote Well, hopefully I can help my fellow alphas out by sharing my experience as a Gellente alpha. I've done dozens of lvl 3 missions in my Vexor. Fit is as follows: Low: 1x Micro auxilliary power core I 1 x Vortex Compact Magnetic field stabilizer 3x AE-K Compact Drone damage amplifiers Medium: 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner 2x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability field 1x Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender High: 4 x 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun /w Uranium Charge (M) (I use Uranium instead of Antimatter for the added range with only a small drop in DPS. This lets me keep my enemies at 25-30km, with my drones and turrets taking down enemies in unison). rig: 3 x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Drones: a mix of Hammerhead I Hobgoblin I I put out more hammerheads for Destroyers/cruisers/battleships, and more hobgoblins for frigates. Currently I get 329dps with all hammerheads in this build. I've seen many "Alpha" builds on the forums with Tech II modules. Alphas CANNOT use those. Those are not true alpha builds. I'm excited to start lvl 4's with the Gnosis. I have 412 dps in the Gnosis currently. We'll see how that goes, once I get enough rep with SOE I looked carefully at the Vexor Navy Issue and realized that it's actually not a good alpha ship. True, it has more Shield/Armour/Hull than the Vexor, but its increased drone bandwidth is not usable by an alpha (we can only fit 5 med drones max, which only uses 50mbit/sec, and it has 2 less turrets. So I would get a slightly better tank at the cost of two turrets. Hardly a benefit, especially at ~8x the cost of a regular Vexor. The Gnosis is a definite upgrade however with massively larger HP, an extra turret and a higher bonus to both turret and drone damage (since we alphas max out at 4 Gallente cruiser skill, we only get 20% and 40% turret and drone bonus damage in a Vexor compared to 25% and 50% in the Gnosis.). Sadly, the Gnosis cannot be insured due to it's extremely low materials cost (5 ISK), so don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it. On that note, I've found that raiding Relic/Data sites in lowsec/wormhole space using the Imicus frigate is a really easy way to make ~20 million ISK per hour, as long as you don't mind being ganked from time to time (Man, I really wish we could use that cloaking device!!). Anyway, hope this helps. Good luck to the other alphas out there and Fly safe!
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 191	Posted - 2017.04.19 10:22:25 - [110] - Quote Finn Aireman wrote: I've seen many "Alpha" builds on the forums with Tech II modules. Alphas CANNOT use those. Those are not true alpha builds. You may want to double-check those builds - Alphas can use many T2 modules with the appropriate skills. They can't use T2 guns. Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

HugoRich HugoRich Corporation 21	Posted - 2017.04.19 12:15:35 - [111] - Quote Start as an alpha amarr, all lvl 3 easy on a Omen Navy, low signature 100m + kite + speed+ medium beam with M-navy optimal is around 20km, ehp 25k, +5 med drones dps is around 400, so u can do atleast half of l4, honestly i wasnt even try them coz get omega and sit on gila
Lord Rolfski Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.05.18 03:16:44 - [112] - Quote I've run Level 3 missions as an alpha clone so far as both Gallente (Vexor) and Caldari (Caracal), and I stumbled upon this topic when I was trying to figure out what my chances are for Level 4 missions. What I've read so far, it seems to me they're not really worth the trouble for alpha clones. To get enough DPS out of my mission ships (I assume you need 300+ for lvl 4), I will probably have to sacrifice tank and range too much. My problem with Level 3 missions however is that the loot kinda sucks, but I find my completist self picking it up anyway. Btw, with the right alpha skills trained these missions aren't too difficult. Except for the one that has neut and webtowers, as well as NPC's scrambling you. I lost 2 Caracals on that one before I figured it out. What really helps imo are the skills and tech 2 modules that I can train into as an alpha (although so far I keep my rigs at tech 1 to keep the cost down). With Gallente alpha skills alone I can control my drones at 40km and have my hybrids do additional damage at that range for a total of 250 DPS, while keeping a 17K EHP active shield tank, for instance. And as Caldari alpha I can fire missiles at a comfortable 60km with a 20K EHP active shield tank, while still doing more than enough damage for level 3 missions. However it seems to me that this simply won't cut it for many lvl 4 missions. I will probably find myself fleeing out the engagement in structure way too often to make these missions even slightly enjoyable in an alpha cruiser (haven't saved up for a fully fitted Gnosis yet, but I'm not sure if it will make much difference).
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings 164	Posted - 2017.05.18 04:26:33 - [113] - Quote i did a test with alpha level 4 gnosis with a gallente alpha (it is me) when it first came out i can confirm you can do L4s with an Alpha gnosis. But it took me like 2-3 hours to complete 1 mission lol. the thing is to kite all the way and not fight guristas.
Infinity Ziona Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2792	Posted - 2017.05.18 10:41:11 - [114] - Quote Could easily do it with a speed tanking shield extended Rax. Would take time flying around but I'm pretty certain I could complete level 4's by taking out the right ships and avoiding a few that' it would fail on. But then that's me and I'm exceptional. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
HydrogenBond Shaishi C-H-C 13	Posted - 2017.05.19 03:24:32 - [115] - Quote not possible. Just Omega and go OP on level 4s...which is the suckies way to make isk/
jolly rog3rs Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.05.19 20:37:31 - [116] - Quote Jotunspor wrote: Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. Not exactly on topic, but I used to run a lot of level 4s in a HAC the Cerberus to be exact. Required a lot more hands on piloting, but it was so much more fun than my sit and kill everything Tengu. lol.


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