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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:09:16 -
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Efficiently or just doable?
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:16:43 -
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Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. |
Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:18:34 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
The Gnosis can do Level 3 missions, i dont know if it could do level 4. Also saw a video of a Caracal doing level 4, idk if thats really possible.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:19:00 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
I could see someone being able to run a lvl 3 in a particularly blingy cruiser... but if your gonna drop that much isk on bling you may as well just get a plex and go omega. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:27:58 -
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Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:29:03 -
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I'm reasonably certain an alpha could do a level 4. Not efficiently, but complete one? Sure.
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Kosomot
Poseidon Energy and Industrial DRONE WALKERS
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:32:33 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's.
This..
Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing.
I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1162
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:33:16 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I haven't tried it yet with an Alpha character, but I don't see why level 3s shouldn't be possible with a Cruiser. I've been flying level 3s using a Cruiser without it even breaking a sweat this weekend. Admittedly, I have near perfect skills for them.
But take a Maller for example, or a Vexor - those ships even with just Alpha skills should be able to run a level 3 mission, albeit slowly perhaps. Also, keep in mind that they can fly navy/fleet issue cruisers as well.
Level 4 - I really don't know. Potentially in a Gnosis, maybe in an afterburning cruiser too if piloted correctly but it surely won't be fun. |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1022
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:39:11 -
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I ran level 4s with a vexor back when I was new with basically alpha level skills - its not particularly efficient though but it is doable for most of them.
I've also ran some with a thrasher just because - but that is another story altogether (was also using a pirate implant set which I'm not sure is available to alphas). |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1359
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:48:40 -
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It should be doable. Not efficient. It will probably take a significant amount of time, maybe a number of warpouts to replenish and recharge. In the end blitzing 3s would be better for the isk, but for the fun and bragging rights? Doing 4s as an alpha might be fun.
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mkint
1285
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Posted - 2016.12.05 21:14:11 -
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I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.
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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.05 21:37:47 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:It should be doable. Not efficient. It will probably take a significant amount of time, maybe a number of warpouts to replenish and recharge. In the end blitzing 3s would be better for the isk, but for the fun and bragging rights? Doing 4s as an alpha might be fun.
Yea its would be more sort of an accomplishment considering the ship and skill limits. Havent see a single video on youtube with someone in an alpha clone account beating Worlds Collide, or Angel Extravaganza. That would be awesome to watch and try to repeat.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
130
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:17:46 -
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Well, "Recon" should definitely be doable. Speaking of epic to watch though: I recently had the pleasure of witnessing the epic battle "Alpha Thrasher vs. Angel Watch". Seeing that lil dessie zoom about, kicking ass and taking names was absolutely adorable. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6547
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:21:27 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I've done L3's in a T1 cruiser. It really isn't that hard. I've only found one tough mission; it has both stasis web towers and energy neut towers. Most L3 missions don't have many NPC battlecruisers, plus they are larger and slower.
I've also done L4's in a battlecruiser. Alpha clones can use a Gnosis battlecruiser too.
I usually do level 1-3 in an Assault Frigate, but Alphas don't have access to that. I also skip the L3 web & neut tower mission I've done. L4 Angel Extravaganza in the Assault Frigate, but I wouldn't call it time efficient, though it was very easy. |
Dwai Attic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:27:15 -
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Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons
Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.
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Safr0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:45:31 -
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I would look at picking a subset of missions just big enough to keep your agent standing above -2. Perhaps about 15 are needed. Look at missions with few npcs. The 3 recon missions should be ok. Also the quafe cargo one. Look at mission you can kite and navy cruisers like caracal and vexor with sentries.
Team burners are unlikely but worth modelling. I don't think alphas can use ecm so you need the dps. Look at polarized rockets with something like hookbill or kestral? Slicer may be able to do hawk team burner? Not sure how much dps is need but at least 200. Decent bling may not even do it.
The more I think about this the harder it gets. Good luck.
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Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:50:57 -
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Dwai Attic wrote:Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible. ITs not all about pay when you're a new player, challenge and fun.
When I was a noob and underskilled I ran L4 missions in a Cyclone with t1 Arty, but it is a grind, though challenging.
Not all L4 would be doable in a Cruiser, you would need to filter them out. Alpha small gangs would work, especially with Logi.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1162
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Posted - 2016.12.05 23:07:40 -
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I just EFT'd a couple of fits with alpha skills. Tried the Moa, Vexor and Maller.
About 60-100M ISK (Mostly because they all have a RF Large Cap Battery ;) ) will buy you a cruiser with about 500m/s, around 200-250-ish DPS tank, 140-ish m signature, 280-380 DPS at close range and enough cap. For level 3 missions, this will certainly be enough, although it would be annoying AF because you'd have to get close to the rats. It would probably work for some level 4 missions as well, but I'd be careful with the harder ones, and it's quite possible you won't be able to break some of the more expensive battleships. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
6070
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Posted - 2016.12.05 23:55:00 -
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Certainly doable. Nothing an Alpha does is going to be efficient compared to an Omega, but if you are grinding ISK I would recommend L3 missions. If you are grinding standings go for L3 distribution missions.
I was doing L4 missions in a Caracal before I was able to fly a Drake (and later a Raven).
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18468
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:37:44 -
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Dwai Attic wrote:Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.
A gang of 5 (2x logi, 3x dps) would be effective. |
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
453
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:44:59 -
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Back when I was really new, I did My Sweet Privateer a couple of times in a blaster-fit Maller which could only put out about 100 DPS (no magstabs or rigs). I'd read a little about how guns worked, so I got to try that out. It could barely break the boss. It actually worked better than a laser Maller for that mission, because the guns were a little easier on the cap and hit the rats' resist holes.
Once I'd burned the boss down to get the stasis tower + 4 battleships spawn, I had to warp out and refit something to hit the tower.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:53:02 -
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The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2330
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:55:04 -
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I've spent most of my time in game looking at level 3 blitzing with a gnosis. I believe lv4s are just going to have too many raw HP to chew through to be worth it.
for level 3s you probably wont even need bling on a cruiser, just abuse speed/range and avoid most of the damage. I did a bunch of lv3s in a caracal years ago when I was probably a few months old to see if I could, it was pretty easy. the problem is applying damage to complete the missions in a timely manor.
and sure you can fleet up to do them, but not sure if it will be worthwhile or not. mission blitzing pays out alright to one pilot, throwing more people at the problem doesn't really speed it up and will divide payments to a few people. Although with everyone having alpha restrictions perhaps it will pay better than other options.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3750
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Posted - 2016.12.06 04:45:01 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I've spent most of my time in game looking at level 3 blitzing with a gnosis. I believe lv4s are just going to have too many raw HP to chew through to be worth it.
for level 3s you probably wont even need bling on a cruiser, just abuse speed/range and avoid most of the damage. I did a bunch of lv3s in a caracal years ago when I was probably a few months old to see if I could, it was pretty easy. the problem is applying damage to complete the missions in a timely manor.
and sure you can fleet up to do them, but not sure if it will be worthwhile or not. mission blitzing pays out alright to one pilot, throwing more people at the problem doesn't really speed it up and will divide payments to a few people. Although with everyone having alpha restrictions perhaps it will pay better than other options. Alpha's should be able to turn a minimum of 10 mil an hour in the gang Baltec described, probably more like 20/hour. And that's assuming a 5 man gang isn't capable of running Burners, if they can handle burners that goes up even more. Sure it's not super bling blitzing lvl 3 levels, but you will struggle to do that anyway with the ships & skills alpha's can use anyway. And other than grinding for Plex, that's going to be pretty good isk for anything they can afford, since they are only buying Frigs & Cruisers anyway, and T1 at that. |
Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab
Viziam Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.12.06 06:26:24 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I was doing lvl 3's in an arbitrator as an alpha. before I resubbed. I didn't have a problem |
Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.06 07:41:09 -
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Dreadchain
Lavateinn
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Posted - 2016.12.06 09:48:08 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
Actually, half a decade ago I experimented with weird mission running setups; T1 frigates, when fit and piloted appropriately can do a lot of L4s. There are some that are just impossible due to DPS constraints or due to certain elements in missions (looking at you Stasis towers), but it wasn't even terribly challenging in most missions.
Of course, it's far from optimal as the DPS is very low. Then again, I don't really know why people run missions in the first place, there are easier ways to make more money.
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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
26
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Posted - 2016.12.06 14:55:45 -
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I have been running L4's with friends on Alphas since last week, they are nowhere near as dull as they are solo. |
Casandra Laur
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.12.06 15:34:37 -
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I plan on trying L4s, but I'm not there yet. I'm still working thru L2s in a Thorax, raising my standings.
I currently can do 410dps in my Gnosis. Turrets 326 and drones 84. To max out my gunnery skills will take about 40 more days, and I haven't even added in the drone skill yet. Maybe another 20 days for them.
I think soon, my standings will be get high enough for L3s. So I'll have to wait to see how I do in those before even trying a L4.
I'm having fun and not in any real rush. (haha, can't be, at the rate of my training.)
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Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1131
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Posted - 2016.12.06 15:39:13 -
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You want alphas to learn?
Are you an Omega? Can you fly a RR tengu or a legion perhaps? Do you know your way solidly around L4s? Want small gang FC experience in high sec content while you all make isk?
Run L4s!!
RR tengu, shield tank ships, anchor on RR tengu and run content. Call targets, use tags. blap away. Rinse repeat. Tanking and talking on comms to your alphas about triggers, threats, speed tanking and other mechanics. Spread the knowledge and the love. Its not great isk for anyone but its not a waste of time sitting around while they learn the basics.
Then graduate them after a week or so of high sec L4s into low sec pew pew when they have the basics and some cash.
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