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valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:28:00 - [31] cheers for the advice, ill give it a try next time. with regards to gamecam, i remember giving it a go once and its rly not worth it- its free for a reason.
Chronus26 Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:54:00 - [32] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: ArtemisEntreri Could you maybe just put out here a recommended codec and how to set it up for my video vegas? I'd recommend WMV9, especially as Vegas has a built-in encoder for it. It is tried and true and it works well. Yeah, Vegas encodes to WMV 9 very well. I get much better quality than I ever could in Premier from vegas, it is just pretty limited in editing features (compared to Premier Pro). I got the best quality by setting my project size to the size of my footage and setting all the options to best quality when rendering. Think i'll use VirtualDub for compressing from now on though, as I can never get Premier to compress decently. -----
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:27:00 - [33] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/04/2007 17:28:22 Ok, i did test out to convert the raw fraps footage i took on sisi now, and then did what's written here at THIS link After i did that, then my result is very good. The final test movie is now .mkv and takes 31.4 MB, and you can download the test movie without sound HERE Tell me what you think about the quality of the movie Dark, also if the quality is to high, or if the movie file is to big etc Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:46:00 - [34] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/04/2007 17:42:39 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/04/2007 17:37:54 Ok, i did test out to convert the raw fraps footage i took on sisi now, and then did what's written here at THIS link After i did that, then my result is very good. The final test movie is now .mkv and takes 31.4 MB, and you can download the test movie without sound HERE The raw fraps footage was 1.65 GB, so taking it from that to 31.4 MB with that quality is nice in my eyes Tell me what you think about the quality of the movie Dark, also if the quality is to high, or if the movie file is to big etc Looks quite good, though with all the options in my guide it might get a bit better. The sensor booster causes a bit of blockiness that is noticable, but that's about it. One trick is to notice the "SSIM" value given by the encoder (don't know if the GUI versions have this, the command line one does); this is a rating of how close the video is to lossless. 1.0 is lossless. For near-flawless quality, you'll want at least 0.99. Anything above 0.95 looks pretty good though. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.07 20:04:00 - [35] Links to FAQs have been added for all three codecs. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Skivy G Caldari Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:01:00 - [36] Awesome guide, can't wait to use this when encoding my next vid, thanks so much!!! Skivy G http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=481307
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.08 05:04:00 - [37] H.264 commands have been updated again. Apparently there's a new feature called Adaptive Quantization that solves the blockiness problems people have had for a while with the dark space backgrounds EVE has. I like Some things I've found for the technically inclined: --me esa will perform an exhaustive motion search, which can increase quality slightly. However, this does not work if you have --threads (eliminating the boost from dual core encoding) and is incredibly slow. The time it takes is O(n^2), where n is the merange, so if you double --merange it will cut the speed by 4. Thus I would not recommend you use above --merange 32 if you insist on this crazy option. --bframes very slightly slows down decoding, but can help somewhat in terms of quality, so I've included it at 4. --aq-strength is the aforementioned adaptive quantization. --ref indicates a number of reference frames. High values of this are very helpful for anime and animated shows with lots of similar frames. Increasing --ref doesn't affect decode time, but will slow down encode time a lot. Higher --ref will always increase quality, but past a point it gets to very diminishing returns, sort of like material efficiency on BPOs. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
MellaRinn Exit 13	Posted - 2007.04.08 07:59:00 - [38] this requires some serious gluezorz action, awesome post :D Click
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:03:00 - [39] /emote licks DS across the face in gratitude and howls for the Gods of Glue to come do their thing on this thread. Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.08 23:04:00 - [40] Edited by: NightmareX on 08/04/2007 23:02:03 Ok, i did make a new test movie from sisi now, and this time is with fighting and music. This time i converted the .mkv movie with 2000 kBit/s, and it's frapsed in 1400x900 resolution. The movie takes 64 MB and it's 4 mins and 20 sec long. I used the Gordian Knot program to convert the movie, and that program is working good. So here is the movie with a fight from FFA on the test server LINK (Can i say Tempest 4tw here?) And remember, since this is an .mkv movie that are converted with the free x264 (H264) codec, then you need to use VLC media player or Media Player Classic to see this movie. So far i'm very happy with the quality and that on the x264 (H264) codec. Since i believe i would never be able to get a movie with quality like in my test movie here in an xvid movie when the movie is only 64 MB. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.08 23:32:00 - [41] Nice post, though obviously I can see your bias towards mkv/h.264 :P WMV is probably best choice for now. The reason is "majority". The majority of people play EvE from a windows computer, and I'd dare to say the majority of people don't have a player with support for mkv. AVI container is "meh", XViD isn't bad or anything, but the ability to view a vid right away and not only after it has downloaded is very nice for people with faster internet connections. Perhaps in some years, maybe more realistically 5-10 the world will go open source with certain standards set in place and everyone adhering to them. As it stands now commercial software developers ignore them far too much =/ N.F.F. Recruitment
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.08 23:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/04/2007 23:56:41 Originally by: Ryysa Nice post, though obviously I can see your bias towards mkv/h.264 :P WMV is probably best choice for now. The reason is "majority". The majority of people play EvE from a windows computer, and I'd dare to say the majority of people don't have a player with support for mkv. AVI container is "meh", XViD isn't bad or anything, but the ability to view a vid right away and not only after it has downloaded is very nice for people with faster internet connections. Perhaps in some years, maybe more realistically 5-10 the world will go open source with certain standards set in place and everyone adhering to them. As it stands now commercial software developers ignore them far too much =/ VLC has changed that, I think... you used to have to futz with all sorts of codecs but now you can install VLC and in 30 seconds be able to view any video with any codec... its pretty awesome tbh . People might not have the player before they open the file, but it won't take long for most EVE video watchers to get themselves VLC or the like. I think the first step is to start offering a low-quality WMV version and a high-quality H.264 version, and eventually switch over to H.264 only. That of course still leaves the decoding problem; the 1680x1050 videos will probably have to offer a lower quality version for those people without dual core machines --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 00:04:00 - [43] Agree with the dual option. If people have time and can be arsed - they should probably make two videos with the same (similar) filesize. One in WMV, other in H.264, so people can decide what they want. As for VLC - It's a wonderful player! However, the problem is that for the people who don't have it, getting it is an extra step. Whereas with WMV they can just download the video and watch it. Sure, that extra step is not a problem, but there are lots of different people, and some people try not to install too much clutter or are generally sceptic or slow to change their ways ;) N.F.F. Recruitment
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.09 00:58:00 - [44] I agree with the alternate quality policy. I myself HATE doing WMV9 renders but since most people watching EVE videos don't seem to really spend time on things like codec packs and choosing a better player for more versability I've decided to do it anyway. By the way, what scale do you use on grading the render times? I have about 50% faster render with h.264 to .mp4 format than to WMV9 :/
Xasz G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:55:00 - [45] Sticky plx.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Akane Miyamoto I agree with the alternate quality policy. I myself HATE doing WMV9 renders but since most people watching EVE videos don't seem to really spend time on things like codec packs and choosing a better player for more versability I've decided to do it anyway. By the way, what scale do you use on grading the render times? I have about 50% faster render with h.264 to .mp4 format than to WMV9 :/ It all depends on what settings you use. For example, if on H.264 you use --me esa, --merange 256, and --ref 16, it will probably take a few decades to finish encoding your video. But if you use --me umh, --merange 32, and --ref 2 or --ref 3, it'll go at about 2 FPS encoding for a high resolution video. If you lower --subme to 6, --merange to 16, and --ref to 0, you'll nearly double that I think. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Greme Amarr Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:51:00 - [47] Bump.... until this gets stickied Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Dire Lauthris Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:57:00 - [48] Insanely awesome and useful thread, this really needs a sticky! Personally only ever used WM9 as every eve player will be able to play it without any problems, though I think for the next vids I'll bounce two versions down. ----- [Never Outgunned]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.10 00:08:00 - [49] I've slightly modified the command lines to include some deblocking code and more B-frames. This should increase quality a little bit. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Inturist Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Inturist on 10/04/2007 11:25:10 ok , how u can fraps on bigger resolution ? fraps getting 1152x864 ,and im using sony vegas 6.0 , but when im changing screen render size to 1280*1024 its damn big - 3 min like 150 MB's. Sry me n00bish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- InturistÖ
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:19:00 - [51] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/04/2007 12:16:29 Originally by: Inturist ok , how u can fraps on bigger resolution ? fraps getting 1152x864 ,and im using sony vegas 6.0 , but when im changing screen render size to 1280*1024 its damn big - 3 min like 150 MB's. Sry me n00bish The size of your movie has nothing to do with the resolution; its all about the bitrate of the video. Of course, you need a higher bitrate to deal with a higher resolution, but between 1152x864 and 1280x1024 you only need like 10-20% more. You have to intelligently choose the bitrate so it gives you the quality you want. For WMV9 at 1280x960, you'll want 2500-3000 probably. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Inturist Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/04/2007 12:16:29 Originally by: Inturist ok , how u can fraps on bigger resolution ? fraps getting 1152x864 ,and im using sony vegas 6.0 , but when im changing screen render size to 1280*1024 its damn big - 3 min like 150 MB's. Sry me n00bish The size of your movie has nothing to do with the resolution; its all about the bitrate of the video. Of course, you need a higher bitrate to deal with a higher resolution, but between 1152x864 and 1280x1024 you only need like 10-20% more. You have to intelligently choose the bitrate so it gives you the quality you want. For WMV9 at 1280x960, you'll want 2500-3000 probably. cheerz m8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- InturistÖ
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.11 16:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Inturist Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Inturist ok , how u can fraps on bigger resolution ? fraps getting 1152x864 ,and im using sony vegas 6.0 , but when im changing screen render size to 1280*1024 its damn big - 3 min like 150 MB's. Sry me n00bish The size of your movie has nothing to do with the resolution; its all about the bitrate of the video. Of course, you need a higher bitrate to deal with a higher resolution, but between 1152x864 and 1280x1024 you only need like 10-20% more. You have to intelligently choose the bitrate so it gives you the quality you want. For WMV9 at 1280x960, you'll want 2500-3000 probably. cheerz m8 welcome --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.11 17:51:00 - [54] DS - this is one brilliant guide and just in time for my new computer arriving shortly (bought mainly to be able to fraps ) <3 Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.11 18:59:00 - [55] Props to DS! Bookmarked \o/ Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate
ShogunAssassin System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.04.12 17:03:00 - [56] This is a good guide and it deserves a sticky. Quote: "Naaah, lets make tyres illegal! That'll slow the buggers down!"
Florio Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.14 13:24:00 - [57] ! S T I C K Y ! pretty please.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:03:00 - [58] Sticky imo also... Btw DS, this is completely unrelated, but can you sit slightly more on AIM? I am trying to get hold of you and you login for 1-3 hours at a time at completely random hours :P N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
VaderDSL Caldari Incoherent Inc	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:44:00 - [59] Dark Shikari, can I ask you a few questions about actually recording footage. I play on a macbook Pro, and have very very limited storage space. Back in the day of Planetside I used to record footage onto a VCR from my tv-out, play it back and recapture it, but always had major issues with quality as you can imagine. I was wondering, would FRAPS onto a 500Gb Firewire HDD work well enough you think? or also I was looking into outputting to a recordable dvd burner (external). Cheers (by the way I have no real experience except what I've just learned from messing around in FRAPS etc.) so apologies if my idea is insane beyong reason. Cheers
Abye SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.14 19:33:00 - [60] Directly exporting to codecs with AVI containers seems to be very messy in Vegas. On another notice, 2pass isn't much better than 1pass if you don't care about an exact target filesize or average bitrate. (This matter mostly if you make stuff for non PCs) For good info on video conversion, check out http://www.doom9.org ___ Inappropriate signature. Please do not use this signature. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])

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