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YanBizzle
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:12:00 -
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Hello,
I was wondering if CCP ever plans to create another realm, or world where everyone must start from scratch?
I have been playing Eve for exactly a year on 4/20, and although I have enjoyed the game immensely, I have decided to cancel my accounts, once, and for all. Though I have long been a member of the 0.0 community, I have experienced a serious concern, which is that whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me. This is because the players that have been playing since release have a HUGE advantage over newer players, and unlike many, if not most other Massively Multiplayer Online Games's (MMO's or MMOG's), in Eve you cannot reach the upper levels of game play by simply playing the game more often; however this is not my 'beef' with Eve or CCP, the issue at hand is that the rift between the upper and lower classes (in terms of numbers of Skill Points) of Eve is growing far to large; newer player are far less likely to enjoy Eve, because it is impossible to compete with other, older players. The fix other MMO's makers use is a level cap, but this would absolutely ruin Eve.
The place where this is most evident is 0.0, where the very best aspects of the game are to be found: PvP and Wealth. For example, even my account and character that has always been 100% combat skilled has yet to have any success what so ever without the help of corp members that have been playing for Eve for much much longer than I have.
This is a huge frustration for me, and the only fix I can think of would be to create another realm, where any user of the realm must create new character's, and character transfers would not be permissible from realm to realm; or another option would be to create a maximum Skill Point transfer limit, say between 3-5 million SP, and offer free transfers to those that wish to move and meet the requirements.
This would work well, because the gap between the upper and lower classes would be far less severe, and eventually character transfers could be made available based upon whether your characters' Skill Points are below a median number. This way people could enjoy the buoyant market and playerbase on Tranquility until they are ready to move to the new realm.
This brings me to my second, and minor gripe regarding Eve, the lag, which is horrendous at times, a second realm could fix this issue.
I would highly encourage and appreciate your input.
-Jan
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Angelica Krem
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:17:00 -
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you dont have to be the best at everything or anything to have fun, but suit yourself.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:17:00 -
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*Nuclear Lock Detected*
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Dave White
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:18:00 -
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Realm? No....
Server? Perhaps
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DarthJosh
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:18:00 -
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please let there be space pixie rats! 
input bit: another realm? well, doubt it, since "single shard wooo" is one of the things ccp is proud of.
However, as the game's population inavitably grows larger, we will need more space to conquer, aswell as a more effecient handling of the server load.
Fin.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:21:00 -
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I thought about this in my early MMO "career" and realised how silly i was in the end.
There's always someone who has played longer, harder, is better, has the EXACT same outlook that you have, etc.
More players, more the chance of this increases.
You just have to learn to have fun with what you do and just NOT CARE if someone somewhere is having a zillion times better equipment or whatnot.
A good analogy(correct term?) would be to say: Well i know bill gates has a lot more of these paper thingies then i do, but winning 20 bucks from a scratch lottery is still heck of a rush 
 Originally by: Curzon Dax
1. I am not singing Ducktales.
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Motorcycle Emptiness
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:23:00 -
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what's that flashing red dot in the centre of the OP?
it's like that one in starcraft, when a nu... *cue terminator 2 style scenes of everyone getting pwned by a nuclear shockwave*
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
A good analogy(correct term?) would be to say: Well i know bill gates has a lot more of these paper thingies then i do, but winning 20 bucks from a scratch lottery is still heck of a rush
Correct term. 
Oh and OP...what is this "realm" you speak of?
Did you come from...yeah...you did I can still smell it on you...
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Tractormech
Caldari
Fortune's Fools
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tractormech on 06/04/2007 22:29:38
I don't agree. The persistant server and one world of eve are what make it worth playing. It would be nice to be on the ground floor of some new things, yes. But really the way eve works is set in reality. Its just like life in the sense that nothing is based on giving everyone a fair start at the same time. You have to work for it by slowing scratching and clawing your way there.
At the same time, it gives someone being on the top some actuall importance. Instead of saying, "'m the best captial ship builder in eve" Its now "I'm the best capital ship builder on server #335842". It really steals from any sense of achievement, and drains the life from the game.
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Haxa
Confederation of Red Miners
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:40:00 -
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Realm 
Universe
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R'olyat
Gallente
Raging Phoenix Incorporated
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:41:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/04/2007 22:40:32
Ok, so can I have your char then ?
I'll probably love it and care for it more than you seem to do.
Originally by: YanBizzle
1. I have been playing Eve for exactly a year on 4/20[...]whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me[...]
2. newer player are far less likely to enjoy Eve, because it is impossible to compete with other, older players[...]level cap[...]
3. For example, even my account and character that has always been 100% combat skilled has yet to have any success what so ever without the help of corp members that have been playing for Eve for much much longer than I have
1. Congratulations on the "venerable age" of one year. One would think that after all that time you would have gotten the point of this game... THERE IS ALWAYS A BIGGER FISH. There is always somebody who does something a lot better as you do, but trust me, it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with massive amounts of skillpoints or better equipment. They're just BETTER. More talent. Real-life talent.
2. You don't HAVE to compete with anybody in the early life of your character. Quite the contrary, in the early phases, you're a lot more likely to to find yourself engaging NPCs, that, as far as I know, haven't changed one bit in years. And I do mean years. Also, you CAN'T get more than L5 in all the relevant skills for a certain ship. Ok, granted, it's quite high and takes a long time, but you DO have a "level cap" in EVE too, and quite coincidentally it's "Level 5".
3. Congratulations and welcome to a MULTIPLAYER game. It really wouldn't matter if those "helping hands" would have been 3-month old newbies, 1-month old alts or 4-year-old mains, the end-result would have been almost the same. In EVE, like in REAL life, quite often numbers and/or skill can beat superior "training" (SP amount) and equipment (ship, modules, etc).
Oh, and a "paralel universe" would solve absolutely zilch.
The "older" players, if they chose to "move over", will kick new player's asses with or without massive amounts of skillpoints. Actually, I fully expect them to fully fund their "paralel universe" alts exclusively through GTCs acquired from re-selling you the ISK they just swiped from under your noses days ago.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
The Forsakened Companions
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:45:00 -
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I used to play a "never ending game" called Starshiptraders.
It was great, you could plan and plot and scheme knowing you had time on your side.
Then some new players complained that the older players were too far ahead...so they opened a second "neverending game".
The first neverending game died as all the new players jumped into the second game. No new blood killed it. So all the vets joined the second game and pretty soon were still on top again, but the players who had originally complained didn't mind so much as they had gotten rid of the problem of players having a head start on them.
After a while the newer players to the second neverending game started to complain that everyone was so far ahead of them.....
Then there was the time the creater of the game created 2 versions. Both were very similar, however, one was based in space and one was based on a planet (you moved around rooms). Some of the space players wanted it to be kept in space. Newer players didn't mind at all. The result was a split in the player base. Neither realm had the success that both camps wanted.
Then there was the time one of the "neverending" games got reset...once that happened, you have every noob and his dog wanting a reset all the time when they lost their stuff.
Splitting the player base = bad
Splitting the game into seperate realms = bad
Altering game mechanics because a handful of players are having bother = bad
If I fly an assualt frigate into battle I am not using my learning skills, battleship skills, science skills, manufacturing skills etc etc. Having more skill points does not mean you are better than another player, you can only use so many at the same time. Sorry, but you seem to be basing your entire case on the problems YOU have had in 0.0.
Rather than trying to alter the game, perhaps you'd have more success with a "these are the problems i'm having in 0.0, can anyone give me some pointers?" post.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:51:00 -
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Whats a Realm?
Eve is one universe....and its fantastic!
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I'mA Geezer
Friends Of Derek
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:53:00 -
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I definitely think they should create another shard, with a fantasy setting.
There aren't enought taverns in this game, and how is a bard supposed to ply his trade without taverns, eh?
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:54:00 -
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1 - 'I'm unhappy because I keep dying to 3 year old pirates/can't fly a Titan/fail at Eve, so I reckon if I write up a short essay on exactly how I want Eve changed so that I win at it, and post it on the forums, then...
2 - ???
3 - Profit!!!
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
will explain when i have the time i promise
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Fork Boy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Fork Boy on 06/04/2007 22:56:07
I love the Eve way of doing things. In my old guild in DAoC I was always the slowest leveller in town as I wasn't an uber player who could put in 10 hour days just to level.
There's always someone better than me. In fact there's always most people who are better than me, but Eve is a great leveller when it comes to skills.
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Rudina
Gallente
Just living
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:22:00 -
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@ The OP: Creating more servers or Universes will just compound your perceived problem. After every couple of years the same problem will occur. Besides that I think the problem has been catered for in that skills are soft capped. I may have 5 mill SP and you have 10 mill SP but we can still only fit the same T2 guns on the same ship, the same T2 boosters or reppers. After learning the required skills it comes down to player skill - tactics.
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
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Rudina
Gallente
Just living
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:22:00 -
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@ The OP: Creating more servers or Universes will just compound your perceived problem. After every couple of years the same problem will occur. Besides that I think the problem has been catered for in that skills are soft capped. I may have 5 mill SP and you have 10 mill SP but we can still only fit the same T2 guns on the same ship, the same T2 boosters or reppers. After learning the required skills it comes down to player skill - tactics.
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
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Fraszoid
Caldari
BloodStorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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A new Shard would not work very well as the ability to advance and get new ships would be very slow and time consuming. When EVE first started, there was very little on the market as its entirely player run, and no one would have the BPOs for ships for a while so you'd be flying your Ibis for a bit until the first frigates were build and sold for over inflated prices, cruisers would be even worst, and battleships would be in the range of 200 mil just for tier 1. There would be no Tech 2, cap ships wouldn't exist, POSes would be expensive to run as there would be a low supply of ice fuels, and few barges to mine it. It would be a very harsh world that only the strong and determined could survive.
Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it.
Check out my players guide at:
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
Create Shard threads ALWAYS get locked I was just having some fun. You can't tell me where I can and can't play 
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Fraszoid
Caldari
BloodStorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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A new Shard would not work very well as the ability to advance and get new ships would be very slow and time consuming. When EVE first started, there was very little on the market as its entirely player run, and no one would have the BPOs for ships for a while so you'd be flying your Ibis for a bit until the first frigates were build and sold for over inflated prices, cruisers would be even worst, and battleships would be in the range of 200 mil just for tier 1. There would be no Tech 2, cap ships wouldn't exist, POSes would be expensive to run as there would be a low supply of ice fuels, and few barges to mine it. It would be a very harsh world that only the strong and determined could survive.
Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it.
Check out my players guide at:
http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html |
Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
Create Shard threads ALWAYS get locked I was just having some fun. You can't tell me where I can and can't play
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ...
Look at my recent post history and tell me i'm a troll.
And maybe this is such a fundamentally bad idea that it's not really worth the thought a proper reply would require? Although I suppose that would make me a troll.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
will explain when i have the time i promise
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jex Jast on 06/04/2007 23:43:16
Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
Create Shard threads ALWAYS get locked I was just having some fun. You can't tell me where I can and can't play
QFT and also, you can't deny this guy's naivite. Not to say he's dumb, but he's clearly talking about something he doesn't understand...the point of Eve, that is.
True your post is a lot nicer and more informative but we've stated our opinions. Are we not allowed those?
The point is this has come up so many times, just as other things come up so many times, and while it may be your first time replying to a thread such as this, thus you have the patience to explain it, some of us just want to have fun with these threads before they get that inevitable *click* of doom.
The guy could have checked other threads, or maybe thought about what he was asking CCP to do...or realized what he was asking about in the first place.
Edit: wow I bet Motorcycle replies next
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 07/04/2007 00:04:49
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However, as the game's population inavitably grows larger, we will need more space to conquer, aswell as a more effecient handling of the server load.
Sure as hell.
The question is when/how much pop.
So what do the rest of you naysayers say when we reach 40-50k people and fleet battles become totally unplayable?
When node capping or node crashing exploits is used weekly?
Will you still insist the horrendous lag everywhere is justifiable to rationalize your desire for but a single shard?
I get the feeling that a lot of single shard fanboys are lowsec prats and Empire folks who couldnt SPELL 100 man fleet Op.
Head in the sand.
We need a new shard, or some radical improvement over things, but not for the reasons the Op states.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:07:00 -
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So essentially what you're proposing is that CCP should create an entirely new server... every time a new player is envious of people who've played longer?
Great suggestion.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
Edited by: Soporo on 07/04/2007 00:04:49
Quote:
However, as the game's population inavitably grows larger, we will need more space to conquer, aswell as a more effecient handling of the server load.
Sure as hell.
The question is when/how much pop.
So what do the rest of you naysayers say when we reach 40-50k people and fleet battles become totally unplayable?
When node capping or node crashing exploits is used weekly?
Will you still insist the horrendous lag everywhere is justifiable to rationalize your desire for but a single shard?
I get the feeling that a lot of single shard fanboys are lowsec prats and Empire folks who couldnt SPELL 100 man fleet Op.
Head in the sand.
We need a new shard, or some radical improvement over things, but not for the reasons the Op states.
I can spell quite well, thank you very much.
If Eve must become multi-sharded, so be it. However, we can't claim that 0.0 or even lowsec are overpopulated - just empire. Lowsec is very quiet and 0.0 you're lucky to have 3 people in any given system save for the key alliance areas.
There's plenty of space to expand but people are afraid to do it. IMO we should just wait until empire is so bloody crowded people are forced to expand. When they get there:
1) They'll realize that pirates AREN'T camping every gate 23/7.
2) They'll start to form player-policing forces that have actual power.
3) Everyone will be happier, high-end minerals will become more common, and many people will stop *****ing.
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:47:00 -
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let's call the new Realm "Black Rock Spire"!!!!
No.
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Amarria Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:53:00 -
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one server, one universe, forever...stop whining tbfh
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