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YanBizzle
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:12:00 -
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Hello, I was wondering if CCP ever plans to create another realm, or world where everyone must start from scratch?
I have been playing Eve for exactly a year on 4/20, and although I have enjoyed the game immensely, I have decided to cancel my accounts, once, and for all. Though I have long been a member of the 0.0 community, I have experienced a serious concern, which is that whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me. This is because the players that have been playing since release have a HUGE advantage over newer players, and unlike many, if not most other Massively Multiplayer Online Games's (MMO's or MMOG's), in Eve you cannot reach the upper levels of game play by simply playing the game more often; however this is not my 'beef' with Eve or CCP, the issue at hand is that the rift between the upper and lower classes (in terms of numbers of Skill Points) of Eve is growing far to large; newer player are far less likely to enjoy Eve, because it is impossible to compete with other, older players. The fix other MMO's makers use is a level cap, but this would absolutely ruin Eve. The place where this is most evident is 0.0, where the very best aspects of the game are to be found: PvP and Wealth. For example, even my account and character that has always been 100% combat skilled has yet to have any success what so ever without the help of corp members that have been playing for Eve for much much longer than I have.
This is a huge frustration for me, and the only fix I can think of would be to create another realm, where any user of the realm must create new character's, and character transfers would not be permissible from realm to realm; or another option would be to create a maximum Skill Point transfer limit, say between 3-5 million SP, and offer free transfers to those that wish to move and meet the requirements. This would work well, because the gap between the upper and lower classes would be far less severe, and eventually character transfers could be made available based upon whether your characters' Skill Points are below a median number. This way people could enjoy the buoyant market and playerbase on Tranquility until they are ready to move to the new realm. This brings me to my second, and minor gripe regarding Eve, the lag, which is horrendous at times, a second realm could fix this issue.
I would highly encourage and appreciate your input.
-Jan
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Angelica Krem
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:17:00 -
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you dont have to be the best at everything or anything to have fun, but suit yourself.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:17:00 -
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*Nuclear Lock Detected*
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Dave White
The Kennels
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:18:00 -
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Realm? No....
Server? Perhaps
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DarthJosh
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:18:00 -
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please let there be space pixie rats!
input bit: another realm? well, doubt it, since "single shard wooo" is one of the things ccp is proud of. However, as the game's population inavitably grows larger, we will need more space to conquer, aswell as a more effecient handling of the server load.
Fin.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:21:00 -
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I thought about this in my early MMO "career" and realised how silly i was in the end.
There's always someone who has played longer, harder, is better, has the EXACT same outlook that you have, etc.
More players, more the chance of this increases.
You just have to learn to have fun with what you do and just NOT CARE if someone somewhere is having a zillion times better equipment or whatnot.
A good analogy(correct term?) would be to say: Well i know bill gates has a lot more of these paper thingies then i do, but winning 20 bucks from a scratch lottery is still heck of a rush
Originally by: Curzon Dax 1. I am not singing Ducktales.
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Motorcycle Emptiness
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:23:00 -
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what's that flashing red dot in the centre of the OP?
it's like that one in starcraft, when a nu... *cue terminator 2 style scenes of everyone getting pwned by a nuclear shockwave*
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
A good analogy(correct term?) would be to say: Well i know bill gates has a lot more of these paper thingies then i do, but winning 20 bucks from a scratch lottery is still heck of a rush
Correct term.
Oh and OP...what is this "realm" you speak of?
Did you come from...yeah...you did I can still smell it on you... -----
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Tractormech
Caldari Fortune's Fools
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tractormech on 06/04/2007 22:29:38 I don't agree. The persistant server and one world of eve are what make it worth playing. It would be nice to be on the ground floor of some new things, yes. But really the way eve works is set in reality. Its just like life in the sense that nothing is based on giving everyone a fair start at the same time. You have to work for it by slowing scratching and clawing your way there.
At the same time, it gives someone being on the top some actuall importance. Instead of saying, "'m the best captial ship builder in eve" Its now "I'm the best capital ship builder on server #335842". It really steals from any sense of achievement, and drains the life from the game.
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Haxa
Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:40:00 -
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Realm
Universe
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R'olyat
Gallente Raging Phoenix Incorporated North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:41:00 -
[11]
Can I have your stuff?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 06/04/2007 22:40:32
Ok, so can I have your char then ? I'll probably love it and care for it more than you seem to do.
Originally by: YanBizzle 1. I have been playing Eve for exactly a year on 4/20[...]whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me[...] 2. newer player are far less likely to enjoy Eve, because it is impossible to compete with other, older players[...]level cap[...] 3. For example, even my account and character that has always been 100% combat skilled has yet to have any success what so ever without the help of corp members that have been playing for Eve for much much longer than I have
1. Congratulations on the "venerable age" of one year. One would think that after all that time you would have gotten the point of this game... THERE IS ALWAYS A BIGGER FISH. There is always somebody who does something a lot better as you do, but trust me, it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with massive amounts of skillpoints or better equipment. They're just BETTER. More talent. Real-life talent.
2. You don't HAVE to compete with anybody in the early life of your character. Quite the contrary, in the early phases, you're a lot more likely to to find yourself engaging NPCs, that, as far as I know, haven't changed one bit in years. And I do mean years. Also, you CAN'T get more than L5 in all the relevant skills for a certain ship. Ok, granted, it's quite high and takes a long time, but you DO have a "level cap" in EVE too, and quite coincidentally it's "Level 5".
3. Congratulations and welcome to a MULTIPLAYER game. It really wouldn't matter if those "helping hands" would have been 3-month old newbies, 1-month old alts or 4-year-old mains, the end-result would have been almost the same. In EVE, like in REAL life, quite often numbers and/or skill can beat superior "training" (SP amount) and equipment (ship, modules, etc).
Oh, and a "paralel universe" would solve absolutely zilch. The "older" players, if they chose to "move over", will kick new player's asses with or without massive amounts of skillpoints. Actually, I fully expect them to fully fund their "paralel universe" alts exclusively through GTCs acquired from re-selling you the ISK they just swiped from under your noses days ago. _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Yakumo Smith
Gallente The Forsakened Companions
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:45:00 -
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I used to play a "never ending game" called Starshiptraders.
It was great, you could plan and plot and scheme knowing you had time on your side.
Then some new players complained that the older players were too far ahead...so they opened a second "neverending game".
The first neverending game died as all the new players jumped into the second game. No new blood killed it. So all the vets joined the second game and pretty soon were still on top again, but the players who had originally complained didn't mind so much as they had gotten rid of the problem of players having a head start on them.
After a while the newer players to the second neverending game started to complain that everyone was so far ahead of them.....
Then there was the time the creater of the game created 2 versions. Both were very similar, however, one was based in space and one was based on a planet (you moved around rooms). Some of the space players wanted it to be kept in space. Newer players didn't mind at all. The result was a split in the player base. Neither realm had the success that both camps wanted.
Then there was the time one of the "neverending" games got reset...once that happened, you have every noob and his dog wanting a reset all the time when they lost their stuff.
Splitting the player base = bad Splitting the game into seperate realms = bad Altering game mechanics because a handful of players are having bother = bad
If I fly an assualt frigate into battle I am not using my learning skills, battleship skills, science skills, manufacturing skills etc etc. Having more skill points does not mean you are better than another player, you can only use so many at the same time. Sorry, but you seem to be basing your entire case on the problems YOU have had in 0.0.
Rather than trying to alter the game, perhaps you'd have more success with a "these are the problems i'm having in 0.0, can anyone give me some pointers?" post.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:51:00 -
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Whats a Realm?
Eve is one universe....and its fantastic!
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I'mA Geezer
Friends Of Derek
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:53:00 -
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I definitely think they should create another shard, with a fantasy setting.
There aren't enought taverns in this game, and how is a bard supposed to ply his trade without taverns, eh?
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:54:00 -
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1 - 'I'm unhappy because I keep dying to 3 year old pirates/can't fly a Titan/fail at Eve, so I reckon if I write up a short essay on exactly how I want Eve changed so that I win at it, and post it on the forums, then...
2 - ???
3 - Profit!!!
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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Fork Boy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Fork Boy on 06/04/2007 22:56:07 I love the Eve way of doing things. In my old guild in DAoC I was always the slowest leveller in town as I wasn't an uber player who could put in 10 hour days just to level.
There's always someone better than me. In fact there's always most people who are better than me, but Eve is a great leveller when it comes to skills.
================================= A fork is a cold, shiny tool To pierce, tear and ingest. Whoever has the fork in hand Controls the meal of their choice. |
Rudina
Gallente Just living
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:22:00 -
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@ The OP: Creating more servers or Universes will just compound your perceived problem. After every couple of years the same problem will occur. Besides that I think the problem has been catered for in that skills are soft capped. I may have 5 mill SP and you have 10 mill SP but we can still only fit the same T2 guns on the same ship, the same T2 boosters or reppers. After learning the required skills it comes down to player skill - tactics.
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
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Rudina
Gallente Just living
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:22:00 -
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@ The OP: Creating more servers or Universes will just compound your perceived problem. After every couple of years the same problem will occur. Besides that I think the problem has been catered for in that skills are soft capped. I may have 5 mill SP and you have 10 mill SP but we can still only fit the same T2 guns on the same ship, the same T2 boosters or reppers. After learning the required skills it comes down to player skill - tactics.
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
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Fraszoid
Caldari BloodStorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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A new Shard would not work very well as the ability to advance and get new ships would be very slow and time consuming. When EVE first started, there was very little on the market as its entirely player run, and no one would have the BPOs for ships for a while so you'd be flying your Ibis for a bit until the first frigates were build and sold for over inflated prices, cruisers would be even worst, and battleships would be in the range of 200 mil just for tier 1. There would be no Tech 2, cap ships wouldn't exist, POSes would be expensive to run as there would be a low supply of ice fuels, and few barges to mine it. It would be a very harsh world that only the strong and determined could survive.
Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it.
Check out my players guide at: http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html |
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
Create Shard threads ALWAYS get locked I was just having some fun. You can't tell me where I can and can't play
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Fraszoid
Caldari BloodStorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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A new Shard would not work very well as the ability to advance and get new ships would be very slow and time consuming. When EVE first started, there was very little on the market as its entirely player run, and no one would have the BPOs for ships for a while so you'd be flying your Ibis for a bit until the first frigates were build and sold for over inflated prices, cruisers would be even worst, and battleships would be in the range of 200 mil just for tier 1. There would be no Tech 2, cap ships wouldn't exist, POSes would be expensive to run as there would be a low supply of ice fuels, and few barges to mine it. It would be a very harsh world that only the strong and determined could survive.
Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it.
Check out my players guide at: http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html |
Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
Create Shard threads ALWAYS get locked I was just having some fun. You can't tell me where I can and can't play
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rudina @ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ...
Look at my recent post history and tell me i'm a troll.
And maybe this is such a fundamentally bad idea that it's not really worth the thought a proper reply would require? Although I suppose that would make me a troll.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jex Jast on 06/04/2007 23:43:16
Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Rudina
@ The Trolls: Thread Winner / Motorcycle Madness / Jex Jast / Marquis Dean ... Go back to Crime & Punishment please. If you have nothing to add to the question or idea, do not post. You really don't have to troll & flame in every discussion on these forums. Some of you should take a step back and look at what you are posting - I am sure if you post something intelligent you might feel better about yourself.
Create Shard threads ALWAYS get locked I was just having some fun. You can't tell me where I can and can't play
QFT and also, you can't deny this guy's naivite. Not to say he's dumb, but he's clearly talking about something he doesn't understand...the point of Eve, that is.
True your post is a lot nicer and more informative but we've stated our opinions. Are we not allowed those?
The point is this has come up so many times, just as other things come up so many times, and while it may be your first time replying to a thread such as this, thus you have the patience to explain it, some of us just want to have fun with these threads before they get that inevitable *click* of doom.
The guy could have checked other threads, or maybe thought about what he was asking CCP to do...or realized what he was asking about in the first place.
Edit: wow I bet Motorcycle replies next ----- Leave my color tags alone. |
Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 07/04/2007 00:04:49
Quote: However, as the game's population inavitably grows larger, we will need more space to conquer, aswell as a more effecient handling of the server load.
Sure as hell. The question is when/how much pop.
So what do the rest of you naysayers say when we reach 40-50k people and fleet battles become totally unplayable? When node capping or node crashing exploits is used weekly?
Will you still insist the horrendous lag everywhere is justifiable to rationalize your desire for but a single shard? I get the feeling that a lot of single shard fanboys are lowsec prats and Empire folks who couldnt SPELL 100 man fleet Op. Head in the sand. We need a new shard, or some radical improvement over things, but not for the reasons the Op states.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:07:00 -
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So essentially what you're proposing is that CCP should create an entirely new server... every time a new player is envious of people who've played longer?
Great suggestion.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo Edited by: Soporo on 07/04/2007 00:04:49
Quote: However, as the game's population inavitably grows larger, we will need more space to conquer, aswell as a more effecient handling of the server load.
Sure as hell. The question is when/how much pop.
So what do the rest of you naysayers say when we reach 40-50k people and fleet battles become totally unplayable? When node capping or node crashing exploits is used weekly?
Will you still insist the horrendous lag everywhere is justifiable to rationalize your desire for but a single shard? I get the feeling that a lot of single shard fanboys are lowsec prats and Empire folks who couldnt SPELL 100 man fleet Op. Head in the sand. We need a new shard, or some radical improvement over things, but not for the reasons the Op states.
I can spell quite well, thank you very much.
If Eve must become multi-sharded, so be it. However, we can't claim that 0.0 or even lowsec are overpopulated - just empire. Lowsec is very quiet and 0.0 you're lucky to have 3 people in any given system save for the key alliance areas.
There's plenty of space to expand but people are afraid to do it. IMO we should just wait until empire is so bloody crowded people are forced to expand. When they get there:
1) They'll realize that pirates AREN'T camping every gate 23/7. 2) They'll start to form player-policing forces that have actual power. 3) Everyone will be happier, high-end minerals will become more common, and many people will stop *****ing. ----- Leave my color tags alone. |
Shalia Ripper
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:47:00 -
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let's call the new Realm "Black Rock Spire"!!!!
No.
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Amarria Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:53:00 -
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one server, one universe, forever...stop whining tbfh -
-- Sound in EVE |
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Kodiak31415
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:03:00 -
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Im sure I speak for a large portion of the eve community when I say...
"The day eve goes to more than one relm/shard/univerise is the day I quit eve"
Someone will always be better than you, get over it. Or get friends, mmo dosen't stand for masivly solo online. _______________________________ Idea stolen from DS:
Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot |
Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:12:00 -
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Great, go pick up your spell book and cloak of whining +1 and go back to the Realm whence you came. All these WOW people are finally dying on the vine.
My character is only 10 months old. I go back to Exodus as a player. If I percieved this reality of Eve gaming that you do I wouldn't have created a new character in '06 knowing how "outclassed" he'd be. Far from the truth. CCP's training system doesn't allow you to put all your skills in one ship. And you fail to account for actual pilot skill.
In EVE just as in the real world the perception of the "best" is in the eye of the beholder. Here as in real life there is no "best" character or person. Always a bigger fish, but far from a best.
Your hollow argument is trying to force a WOWization of EVE. (I'm seeing a lot of that on the forums lately. I hope the DEVs are aware of this perspective and distance themselves from it) A ****ing contest for characters is all a new server would be. You can't be on top here so maybe if they started over you could be. And you'd still fall short because the guy who signed up before you would be in "a HUGE advantage over newer players..." _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red." |
Princess MiMi
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Posted - 2007.04.07 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Princess MiMi on 07/04/2007 02:01:33 how about allowing players to buy SP with isk that way you can "catch up"
so the people with no life can grind isk all day and but all the sp they will ever need also the people who have lots of rl money can buy and sell GTC for isk and buy their way into the game
also as pointed out before what happens when the next patch comes out and there is a mass joining again all thoes people will be a year or what ever behind again and will be complaining that they are too far behind
EDIT: forgot to mention that the average life of an eve player is 7 months and you are stronger than the new people joining right now
and one final point i bet that there are a lot of people who are maxed out in "frigates" or who are the same as you since they dont want to spend 4 months maxing weapons to get 2% here and 5% there
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:00:00 -
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You can max out any given profession in 6-12 months.. want to be the best builder? You can have every single build skills to make tech2 crap in your field in 6 months..
Want to be a really good crow pilot? You can have every single skill it needs maxed in 12 months or so.
The only thing older players get, is MORE stuff maxed.. but you are a whiner if you think you can never catch up with old players.. because you can. But I'm sure you knew that, and just wanted to moan to get your point across.
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Lucky Lynn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:02:00 -
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EvE has realms? Son of a *****.
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Tiodus
Gallente City of Certitude
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tiodus on 07/04/2007 03:42:03 1. You can only compete against yourself tbfh
2. This game requires skill and not only skillpoints.
I'm gonna ignore the urge I feel to refer to checking out noobs who sees the capacitor on their first thorax's for the first time
-Tiodus
*edit* Spelling.
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YanBizzle
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:50:00 -
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My point is that the rift between the new and old is growing TOO large in my opinion, I agree with those that say it should stay in one shard, it is what makes Eve, Eve.
Perhaps what could be done is offer the highest level players the chance to move to another server, when the population grows to large in Tranquility, this way it would give the new players a better chance of being successful. This also creates a better economic situation for CCP, as hypothetically there will be fewer people leaving the Eve Community due the fact they cannot contend with the far far superior players. As was said, Eve was designed so new players can survive properly, but that being said I still believe the gap between the new and experienced has grown too vast, and if it has not, it soon will.
Best regards, thanks very much for your input! -Yan
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: YanBizzle My point is that the rift between the new and old is growing TOO large in my opinion, I agree with those that say it should stay in one shard, it is what makes Eve, Eve.
Perhaps what could be done is offer the highest level players the chance to move to another server, when the population grows to large in Tranquility, this way it would give the new players a better chance of being successful. This also creates a better economic situation for CCP, as hypothetically there will be fewer people leaving the Eve Community due the fact they cannot contend with the far far superior players. As was said, Eve was designed so new players can survive properly, but that being said I still believe the gap between the new and experienced has grown too vast, and if it has not, it soon will.
Best regards, thanks very much for your input! -Yan
What exactly defines "too large"?
Higher-level players moving to a new server would be strange and interesting, but if they were just offered, then many would probably stay, knowing the kind of competition they'd be up against on a new server...
Lastly, new players shouldn't be contending with the oldest ones. And because of the profession maxing flexibility, if you master something then you've caught up to an 03 player already, at least in that field. Use that strength until you've trained up another one, etc. ----- Leave my color tags alone. |
Devious Syn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:22:00 -
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The game is fine, you just wanna solo pawn everything after a year, not gonna happen.
EvE is really a team based thing which is why its not so important to have Uber amounts of SP, a couple of year old toons can pawn a few older players if they have skills in working together.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:25:00 -
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CCP should only open up another Server when they believe that their one server will have problems with containing the entire populace of Eve. I have played other MMORPGs and empty servers are not that fun, though Wanderhome in SWG had some charm...
--Personally I would love a server where everyone starts from scratch, but that is because I never experienced the game when it was fresh and untouched, not because I want to compete with other players.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:53:00 -
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Oh! I think they are opening a new server, it's called "whine," and they give you plenty of cheese to go with it.
Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but if you are worried about that kind of thing, then you perhaps missed all the fun along the way. You've been around a year, and that's plenty of time to just about max out any specific skill tree you like. Skill level 5 is skill level 5, no matter how old you are. You can, therefore, compete very effectively at one year with someone two years older than you. Someone being much older than you just means they are maxed out on a few different things than you are, which might be completely irrelevant to the ships you are using to fight each other.
But anyway, I think there are some orcs that need killing, you might want to check into that.
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 08:50:00 -
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New players to new 'realm' then feel unfairly disadvantaged, request new realm.
It doesn't end, just look at WoW. In fact, WoW and L2 serve as great examples of how attitude changes everything. I have only 1 60 (and I have no intention of ever reactivating that acc). I know some people with 3. I have met people who started the game years after me, who with the right connections, had not only hit 60 in under a month, but also out-geared me in a matter of weeks.
Its not something to try and correct half-heartedly. Humans compete, and the best you can do for the little guy, is average out the better guy. Which just makes the world more bland, more vanilla.
You say you've been playing for a year. Did you specialise? Do you think that the players with 20mil sp haven't rerolled and found a use for the new character within a month of sp training? Hell, there are trial accounts out there with level 5 skills I don't have. You can do a lot with new accounts thanks to ccp fighting sp inflation. It just takes a bit of effort. A change of perspective, something. Its one thing to be upset at arbitrary advantages people are given (T2 bpos) and another to be thinking that a company should just abandon or punish its loyal players to make way for new blood.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:02:00 -
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You can play on the test server.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:45:00 -
[44]
The biggest aspect of eve that makes it what it is .... is that its a single persistent server.
If you know someone that plays eve, you know you can meet / affect them in game !!
miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:52:00 -
[45]
Its not impossible to compete with older players. You might not be able to kill one in a duel, but so what? Eve is about team work and groups. When you have played a year you should be able to switch corporation and pick one of the established oldtimer corporations. Im pretty sure you will learn a lot from them on how to really play the game. And then you can start competing.
You do not compete in Eve by waiting for 20 mill sp and then try to find duels...
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:53:00 -
[46]
All great points in this thread. Any character after 2 years can be "maxed" if they were specialized, anything else is just for variety.
Seriously, if you want to go having a good chance of killing anyone else in the game, dont ask for new 'realms', just accept that you are going about gaming all wrong in the first place.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:02:00 -
[47]
Being effective in pvp involves 50% skillpoints and 50% knowing how to fly your ship propely.
I am in the same situation as you, it doesnt really bother me though. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:03:00 -
[48]
Originally by: YanBizzle My point is that the rift between the new and old is growing TOO large in my opinion, I agree with those that say it should stay in one shard, it is what makes Eve, Eve.
Perhaps what could be done is offer the highest level players the chance to move to another server, when the population grows to large in Tranquility, this way it would give the new players a better chance of being successful. This also creates a better economic situation for CCP, as hypothetically there will be fewer people leaving the Eve Community due the fact they cannot contend with the far far superior players. As was said, Eve was designed so new players can survive properly, but that being said I still believe the gap between the new and experienced has grown too vast, and if it has not, it soon will.
Best regards, thanks very much for your input! -Yan
I understand your perspective Yan, but you shouldn't let that percieved difference let you think that you're at a permanent disadvantage. After all, why is it the younger generation are not at a constant disadvantage to the older generation? Because while the older generation had experience and wisdom, the younger is more apt to innovate, take new risks, do stupid things in the name of science and/or conquest. It's much like evolution really, in the sense that the younger can overcome the older by innovating. Goonswarm was/is a good example. The time they first came about the general doctrine of fleet combat was to outfit all your ships with the best equipment they could afford do lose, but Goonswarm turned the idea completely upside down by using extremely cheap ships in large numbers, and (to an extent) that's why you see them controlling a bug chunk of space on the map now.
Though I do get jealous when I see someone flying around in a HAC
<sig> IBTL! IBDS! And other such forum tom-foolery. </sig> |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:25:00 -
[49]
There is no such problem in EVE. Tell me.. how many MMOs can have 10 x 2 week old character defeat any 2 year old character (except supercapital ships... but these are as hard to kill to 1 month old char as to 2 year old)?
Eve is the best MMO for begginers by far.... the only problem is that in first few weeks you have no clue of the tricks you need to use to survive. After that.. jsut find friends and you are good.
A 1 year old character as you can be a very good HAC pilot, as good as a 3 year old one.
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michael weels
Gallente Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:36:00 -
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new realm wood b good
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heheheh
Singularity. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:36:00 -
[51]
Edited by: heheheh on 07/04/2007 11:33:54 Edited by: heheheh on 07/04/2007 11:33:23 The rift betw4een older andnewer players is fine, Younger players are always of use and despite what you say it is very possible for you to beat players with more SP in combat, you say youhavebeen here 1 year yet have not once been succesfull in pvp ? all i can say is you are still choosing the wrong targets. Im betting you were one of those people on WOW that cried for a new PVP server to open every month becuase the ones on your server had "EpicS" and you couldnt kill them, even though you could. All in all i think a new server would be a good idea, but only for a lag reduction reason, nothing else.
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Heraku
Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:42:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Heraku on 07/04/2007 11:40:15 *put's flamesuit on*
YanBizzle i fully understand where your comming from.
The Universe in it's current form feels just like walking the paths, other players have prepared long ago. There is nothing new and exciting. Every corner is uncovered, every moon scanned, good spot's and plexes are timed and farmed to death. T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
I play this game since almost a year, and i got to admit that this is the only beef i got with EVE. I cant play a pioneer and build something up from scratch. Instead i got to seek consent or join a large corp / ally. (Can you say : walking in other peoples shoes ? )
Face it in this Galaxy we will always be third class, no matter how much time we spend or how smart we play.
There is no real freedom in this Galaxy. That beeing said, i would instantly start over in a new Galaxy given the chance. Find me some cool buddies and start to work...
Highly unlikely but hey i allowed to dream or not ?
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:43:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Heraku
T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
You haven't seen the 350mill hulks have you?
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Heraku
Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:45:00 -
[54]
Taking Hulk's as an example for the entire T2 Market aint representative really.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.07 12:03:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Heraku
T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
That's completely false actually. Even if you own 10 T2 BPOs you can be beaten by an inventor because he's not bound to any single product and can choose which modules are most profitable. T2 BPO holders cannot.
<sig> IBTL! IBDS! And other such forum tom-foolery. </sig> |
Skyee
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Posted - 2007.04.07 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skyee on 07/04/2007 12:05:01 The big issue here is not really skills, as has been said here you can operate with others till you get the skills up.
The big problem with Eve at the moment is the way CCP have biased Eve for PvP, this is leaving no place in the game for people who are not into PvP but prefer to mine and make things.
We are in a situation where a pirate corp decided to go after us, they joined the Priviteers and got them to war dec us. This is plain stupid an entire allience war decing a single corp, It has rendered us unable to operate they just sit outside station and blow up everyone who leaves, and although we will fight back we have already lost a long term player who has decided, to quit Eve, as he put it if he cannot play as he wants, he will stop paying CCP and give his money to a game that allows him to play as he wants.
His opinion is that Eve has reached a peak, and will now dwindle to small core of pure PvP players, also if most of the carebear empire producers decide to quit where does that leave the Eve Market?
A simple solution would be to prevent empire wars, this would allow people the option of playing safely in hi-sec if the want but still have the opton if going to low sec and accept the risk, the current situation is removing that choice.
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Ankanos
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.07 12:15:00 -
[57]
Originally by: YanBizzle Hello, I was wondering if CCP ever plans to create another realm, or world where everyone must start from scratch?
um...NO.
Life is unfair. Eve does a great job of reflecting this. the game's playing field has been leveled too much as it is..
only suggestion: pick your fights. don't let them pick you.
-lets keep the original vision of this game intact, tyvm.
fair=boring
dont caught up with the numbers.. skill counts alot more than skill points.
/me goes back to sleep
-ank
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Willow Whisp
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Posted - 2007.04.07 13:00:00 -
[58]
Hey, aren't you the guy that had 15 accounts so you could mine crok in 0,0 to pay with isk for all those accounts? I remember going to an asteroid field to see 1stYanBizzle, 2ndYanBizzle, 3rdYanBizzle, 4thYanBizzle, YanBizzle and YanRizzle all mining away...
I'm the alt of the main that the forums picked, and i can't be arsed to go through the "settings" page to change it back, k? |
Rebal 88
Minmatar Blackrain Solutions
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:16:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Jex Jast
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
A good analogy(correct term?) would be to say: Well i know bill gates has a lot more of these paper thingies then i do, but winning 20 bucks from a scratch lottery is still heck of a rush
Correct term.
Oh and OP...what is this "realm" you speak of?
Did you come from...yeah...you did I can still smell it on you...
lolz Dieing in lowsec is common..get over it. |
Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:35:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Heraku Edited by: Heraku on 07/04/2007 11:40:15 *put's flamesuit on*
YanBizzle i fully understand where your comming from.
The Universe in it's current form feels just like walking the paths, other players have prepared long ago. There is nothing new and exciting. Every corner is uncovered, every moon scanned, good spot's and plexes are timed and farmed to death. T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
I play this game since almost a year, and i got to admit that this is the only beef i got with EVE. I cant play a pioneer and build something up from scratch. Instead i got to seek consent or join a large corp / ally. (Can you say : walking in other peoples shoes ? )
Face it in this Galaxy we will always be third class, no matter how much time we spend or how smart we play.
There is no real freedom in this Galaxy. That beeing said, i would instantly start over in a new Galaxy given the chance. Find me some cool buddies and start to work...
Highly unlikely but hey i allowed to dream or not ?
So uhm, I get you right that you are saying that
- everything in a game that has already been done before you did it = boring and not exciting? Like, if you would make enough isk, become part of an alliance and were able to build a mothership for yourself. It loses all appeal because there are other motherships already flying around?
Going by that logic, every MMO is boring for you, because although for example Lotro is just getting released you can get maps of all things to discover already, cause someone did it. Means the game doesnt have any excitement for you?
And what is this with EVE having no freedom, how did you come to that conclusing?
I neither understand how "you" will always be 3rd class in EVE, I play with every age of chars ingame since I started out, there is absolutely no difference in the fun they have. And very few are unbelievably rich 3 year old players.
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Tekka
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: YanBizzle ...I have experienced a serious concern, which is that whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me.
More like only 2-6% better.
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:44:00 -
[62]
There is always a possibility that it is not skill points that are keeping you from "winning." What if you could not hack it on the new server? And to solve this problem you want to shard Eve?
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darklegionca
Caldari Bluetech Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:47:00 -
[63]
go back to wow you emo kid and take your ideas of relms elsewhere as we do not have them in eve LONG LIVE EVE!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend. |
TomParad0x
Caldari The Cookies
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Posted - 2007.04.07 16:04:00 -
[64]
Originally by: YanBizzle Hello, I was wondering if CCP ever plans to create another realm, or world where everyone must start from scratch?
I have been playing Eve for exactly a year on 4/20, and although I have enjoyed the game immensely, I have decided to cancel my accounts, once, and for all. Though I have long been a member of the 0.0 community, I have experienced a serious concern, which is that whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me. This is because the players that have been playing since release have a HUGE advantage over newer players, and unlike many, if not most other Massively Multiplayer Online Games's (MMO's or MMOG's), in Eve you cannot reach the upper levels of game play by simply playing the game more often; however this is not my 'beef' with Eve or CCP, the issue at hand is that the rift between the upper and lower classes (in terms of numbers of Skill Points) of Eve is growing far to large; newer player are far less likely to enjoy Eve, because it is impossible to compete with other, older players. The fix other MMO's makers use is a level cap, but this would absolutely ruin Eve. The place where this is most evident is 0.0, where the very best aspects of the game are to be found: PvP and Wealth. For example, even my account and character that has always been 100% combat skilled has yet to have any success what so ever without the help of corp members that have been playing for Eve for much much longer than I have.
This is a huge frustration for me, and the only fix I can think of would be to create another realm, where any user of the realm must create new character's, and character transfers would not be permissible from realm to realm; or another option would be to create a maximum Skill Point transfer limit, say between 3-5 million SP, and offer free transfers to those that wish to move and meet the requirements. This would work well, because the gap between the upper and lower classes would be far less severe, and eventually character transfers could be made available based upon whether your characters' Skill Points are below a median number. This way people could enjoy the buoyant market and playerbase on Tranquility until they are ready to move to the new realm. This brings me to my second, and minor gripe regarding Eve, the lag, which is horrendous at times, a second realm could fix this issue.
I would highly encourage and appreciate your input.
-Jan
Ok, I might have missed this in your post if I did feel free to point it out, but:
Say CCP makes this new server, people transfer and so on... It would only fix the problem you are talking about for a short time. What happens when the players on this new server get high skills? Its in the same boat as TQ with the problem you are describing.
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Nymos
Haiduken Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.07 16:17:00 -
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why do people always care about what others have? try to be happy with what you got and can do. one year is about the time when you start to really max out in certain fields if you specialized. that's the time when you feel you're able to accomplish things a thousand times better than others. it might be exactly the time where you shouldn't quit, but that's just my opinion.
in eve you can't quickly grind to end-game-status and then grind end-game content with the other 50% of the server that are already grinding them. in can only speak of eq2 for "current" fantasy mmorpgs, but oh man is it boring to go through low level zones. they are totally empty because everyone rushes (and is able to do so) to endgame stuff.
i think one big reason this happens is that you can buy/sell characters legally. in other games if you close your account your characters are out of the game (i don't mean deleted...). in eve it is much more sensible to sell your veteran character because as you said he can do things a lot better and as someone's alt he can be a great asset for no efforts.
if you specialize you max out that spec in about a year. someone who is 4 years has a broader variety of skills. he can maybe fly cap ships of more than one race, but is that important? i don't think so. |
dennyreborn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 16:49:00 -
[66]
I don't think I would like a permeate other universe. But on the other hand I would love a temporary universe.
For instance make a universe set back in the past when the amarr still enslaved the minmatar. Then make it so players start at 10 mil SP and can only be minmatar. then go through the minmatar rebellion and freedom movement, also besure to add that the NPCs pod in this world. it would be a fun thing to do for one to two months. maybe have limited number of characters only or some such.
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Altrex Stoppel
SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:22:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Thread Winner *Nuclear Lock Detected*
made me lol
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:25:00 -
[68]
No, and I would be very happy if you went back to World of Warcrap.
// ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now. |
Apollyon X
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:42:00 -
[69]
I started 2 years after the release and I still pwn, as many people are ahead of you in skills, there is the same number behind you.
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YanBizzle
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Posted - 2007.04.11 02:47:00 -
[70]
I'm not trying to anger people, or attempt to get flamed by people, I'm just sharing my opinion and looking for yours. However I don't appreciate being called an "emo kid" and being treated poorly. I still think that there are issues, but I'm not so set in my mindset. I think my issue is I'm impatient, and I don't want to wait 1-2 years to be specialized in one field, especially when I know that there are others that already have the field down, and are training new fields. My hope is that the population will eventually grow too large to be contained by one server (excuse my use of the word 'realm', I believed it to be the appropriate wording for an MMOG such as this), and when this happens CCP will create the split to make it a little more fair.
I remember a MMOG from a few years ago where the split between the new and the old grew large, and the production team behind the game reset characters, and I think it would be to CCP's advantage to think of a way to prevent this, a way that does not involve the resetting of characters, but a creative way to balance the players of Eve. Eventually I fear the promise of success in 0.0 will be unattainable in Eve, because of this rift, this is my prime example, but I'm sure there are others; and then what? New players will not play, or will leave early on in their Eve career, and some of the older players will grow out of Eve, or leave for other reasons. I should have made it clear in my post that I had CCP's best interests in mind, as well as yours, and lastly mine.
I'm sure this has been brought up within CCP, and if CCP has any sense, there is already a plan out for such an eventuality of a server too crowded, or a rift between the new and old that creates economical or player issues for CCP. I'm curious as to what CCP will do when they release the new expansion, with walk in stations and such? Walk in stations and the like are like a dream come true for me, perhaps CCP will hear the few of us out who share similar concerns, and take action when when action becomes necessary.
I'm not trying to create enemies, so please leave me alone and don't call me names or make generalizations about me, I'm not trying to create a flame war, but a discussion for other mature players about an issue of importance to me. -Yan
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PostWithYourMain
Main Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.11 02:49:00 -
[71]
The definitive answer is: No.
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Arrgs
Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 03:03:00 -
[72]
1. No 2. Bye. 3. Even though there may be 100 people doing the same thing there is still money to be made if you aren't a giant flaming retard. I know 6 month players with wallets in the billions from trading. (Not NPC trading.) 4. I only read like, the first half of your post. My first video!
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lordharold
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.11 03:13:00 -
[73]
Cleaned. Keep it on topic and the flames/trolling down.
Lord Harold
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.11 03:50:00 -
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I think a new server would be a great thing. There are numerous advantages, and frankly any of the vets that think they have the "leet skillz" would be able to prove it by creating new characters in a new universe. Having one persistant universe throughout all the bugs and balance fixes means one messed up economy guarded by old vets too old and grizzled to abandon their nursing home server. (obligatory )
Seriously though, I think new players would be much less intimidated on a new server, myself included. The ISK sellers would have to start over, which I think by itself justifies a new server/economy. Reduction of overall server lag is another excellent reason. I could go on and on, and maybe I will if this thread continues, but suffice to say that I believe it would be a great thing both for the EVE community, and CCP's pocket book to open at least 1 additional server. Flame on!
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.11 03:56:00 -
[75]
CCP has repeatedly and very clearly stated that its committed to the single shard system.
I understand your frustration, I to have been playing for a little over a year and admit frustration when I get an idea to try and do something and find that hundreds of people have already come up with the same idea. Even so, I have still been able to figure out niches to occupy quite successfully. So while its hard, it is doable.
While people who have been playing longer do have an advantage, a lot of activities only require a few certain skills. Once you get those skills to level 5 it doesn't matter how much longer you play, there's nothing more you can do to improve them. It can take some time to train those skills up, once you get them up there you are on the same level as everyone else.
One example is industry. Once you get Production Efficiency V you are competitive with every other producer out there.
Or take interceptor pilot. Once you get the primary skills up high enough, you've pretty much maxed out your ability to fly an interceptor. There are a few longer skills you can train to level 5, but the bonus will be negligible. You can also put faction mods and such on there, but there are only a few pilots who have the isk to risk high end faction/officer mods in such a light ship. The vast majority of players, even if they've been playing for years, are not in a position to take that kind of risk. ----------------------------------------------------
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:00:00 -
[76]
Much of the advantage in EVE is not from skills, but from an established powerbase and/or economic base. Can you say with a straight face that none of the past patches since release have been to correct ISK or corporation exploits?
Starting a new server is a great way to start a universe the way it was meant to be played, with the new patches from day 1 that enforce the balance that was supposed to be present all along.
If CCP is committed to a single shard operation then I admire them and what I see as their outmoded ideas. There are lots of us that have money just as green as the vets, and we are looking for a fair shake in a semi-new environment.
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:11:00 -
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I'm from late cold war/early RMR days,, I'm a bit of an individual and used to look at the characters two years older than me. now i'm a year and 5 months old, and about 3 months ago i fought off a 3 year old character, my raven vs his heavy assault cruiser, drones and three Guristas Destroyers. Sounds pretty fair to me.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf Much of the advantage in EVE is not from skills, but from an established powerbase and/or economic base. Can you say with a straight face that none of the past patches since release have been to correct ISK or corporation exploits?
Starting a new server is a great way to start a universe the way it was meant to be played, with the new patches from day 1 that enforce the balance that was supposed to be present all along.
If CCP is committed to a single shard operation then I admire them and what I see as their outmoded ideas. There are lots of us that have money just as green as the vets, and we are looking for a fair shake in a semi-new environment.
You must have ignored every post against sharding. Most of them explain to you how that big multi-billion player doesnt care about you. He won't go after you. Most of the things you do will probably be aided by his participation in the economy.
The trillion dollar corps and alliances don't care about you either. They definitely provide the need for minerals and hauling an manufacturing though. They help support little guys like you by making the whole economy move.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:30:00 -
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Actually, I read every post in the entire thread and took it into consideration before posting. Thanks for making assumptions though.
It may be that the biggest corps don't care about me, and if so then I'm glad it's the case. I think this entire issue is more about jealous veterans guarding their income, afraid that they won't have anyone to sell Merlins to if a new server is begun. It puts more control in the hands of the players when a new server is opened. Imagine if you were fed up with BoB or the Privateers you chould simply boycott and create a new chracater on the new server. Instead of voicing empty complaints on the forums that I seem to see so often...
Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, I'm just saying that multiple shards is the way of the future, and that EVE is free to remain a "quaint" game with it's few loyal 5+ year subscribers. Cheers.
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Malcolm Gerwulf on 11/04/2007 04:35:28 I'm sorry, that last post comes off as a bit snarky. Despite being personally attacked by a yammerhead, I really would like to see some open discussion on this issue. It seems like an "us vs. them" (new vs. old) issue, but there are much broader implications than that. WoW may be a hated game on this forum, but it has what... 100x as many subscribers? And at least 100+ as many realms? No coincidence there.
New realms, more player, extended life of the game. Simple as that to me. I'm willing to listen to other opinions however. Tell mw your plans for dominting a brand new shard without your years worth of skills and multi-trillion ISK corps.
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:40:00 -
[81]
And so where is the point of that? Move to a new server, the privateers and BoB don't rule,, you can roll straight into 0.0 and run that 10/10 plex for what? Stuff so that BoB and Privateers can come over with their alts and kill that too? Good game,,,
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CrazyChinchilla
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.11 04:47:00 -
[82]
I say we encourage more players to join so that CCP has enough money to research a new way to format their servers and maybe hire a contractor to clean up their code.
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Nalar Marnith
Minmatar Tetranex Consolidated
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Posted - 2007.04.11 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nalar Marnith on 11/04/2007 05:08:05 2 words; Diminishing returns.
It's a concept eve is heavily based on. In the time it takes to train a skill to L5, you can train 5 skills to L4.
A T2 item compared to a T1 item is a fraction of improvement in terms of performance as it is in terms of cost...
You can build up a reasonable enough char in 6 months to compete with players of 2 years!
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs And so where is the point of that? Move to a new server, the privateers and BoB don't rule,, you can roll straight into 0.0 and run that 10/10 plex for what? Stuff so that BoB and Privateers can come over with their alts and kill that too? Good game,,,
ROFL
Its a straight out battle between Privateers and BoB for rule of the galaxy?
SKUNK
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.11 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 11/04/2007 05:22:27
Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf Actually, I read every post in the entire thread and took it into consideration before posting. Thanks for making assumptions though.
It may be that the biggest corps don't care about me, and if so then I'm glad it's the case. I think this entire issue is more about jealous veterans guarding their income, afraid that they won't have anyone to sell Merlins to if a new server is begun. It puts more control in the hands of the players when a new server is opened. Imagine if you were fed up with BoB or the Privateers you chould simply boycott and create a new chracater on the new server. Instead of voicing empty complaints on the forums that I seem to see so often...
Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, I'm just saying that multiple shards is the way of the future, and that EVE is free to remain a "quaint" game with it's few loyal 5+ year subscribers. Cheers.
There will ALWAYS be someone better than you in something. Are you ALWAYS going to move on to a new place to try to be better there ?? Should We create a new shard for every new player, or every month so that no one feels too behind?
Your whole argument seems to stem from the numbing thought at the back of your head about how there are single players with 1000x as much as you and entire corps and alliances full of these guys.
Countless sharding does not solve the "problem" you want fixed. It just provides many separate universes with their own "problem".
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.11 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
ROFL
Its a straight out battle between Privateers and BoB for rule of the galaxy?
SKUNK
oh god no :) But i do identify BoB as being the 0.0 powerhouse and Privateers being the hi sec powerhouse. TBH privateers have a lot to be proud of in the short time they've achieved it, and it's a shame nobody wants to fight for control of hi sec. But thats a non-sequitur.
Sure there's plenty of other people out there who fight at other levels, but by and large nobody matches the competitiveness of these two alliances IMO.
Point i'm trying to make besides sounding like I'm doing a lot of asskissing is that people dont realise that a hatred (or love) of alliances like these is what EVE gives you to work towards. If I were to jump on a new server, I'm not sure where I'd go, since my goal is to provide a commercial outlet to all major corporations/alliances.
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.11 05:54:00 -
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And where would the CCP employees play on their time off from work? Granted I'm playing the devil's advocate here, but it would demostrate where the company's loyalties lie: to the players that want an honest chance to start fresh, or to the established players that have seen it all and want to keep doing it anyway.
And it's not true that you will "always be a smaller fish" because somebody has to be bigger! 99/100 times that is somebody who is the oldest characer on an established server! Show me the bosses of the giant corps that are less than 1 year old. Show me the macro miners that have been created in the last month. When you create a new server, you suddenly double the number of big fish possible, which I would argue is a good thing in order to grow the game and community. If everybody is happy with a smaller, neighborly community then that's totally cool. I'm simply emphasizing the fact that I'd rather have a brand new New Eden to explore, where I have a modicum of choice who my neighbors are.
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf I think a new server would be a great thing. There are numerous advantages, and frankly any of the vets that think they have the "leet skillz" would be able to prove it by creating new characters in a new universe. Having one persistant universe throughout all the bugs and balance fixes means one messed up economy guarded by old vets too old and grizzled to abandon their nursing home server. (obligatory )
Seriously though, I think new players would be much less intimidated on a new server, myself included. The ISK sellers would have to start over, which I think by itself justifies a new server/economy. Reduction of overall server lag is another excellent reason. I could go on and on, and maybe I will if this thread continues, but suffice to say that I believe it would be a great thing both for the EVE community, and CCP's pocket book to open at least 1 additional server. Flame on!
Alright...Argument about isk-sellers? It takes about a month or so to get into a noob fitted raven and npc. So you'd be without isk-sellers for maybe 2 months. Server lag, well, it lags in fleet fights, and in highly loaded systems, this happens with 80.000 players on a server as much as today with 160k.
One persistent universe is exactly what makes EVE unique, and to be honest, what do you expect would change if you started a new server? If any of the Vets of TQ move over, they would still be way ahead of anyone starting the game. They would be rich very fast, they would know what to train for etc. It would only show how much EVE lives from actual experience of how the game works, not skillpoints.
I dont really get why you are talking like everyone starting to play EVE is a 12 year old whos too afraid to undock cause there are those evil 40mil SP chars everywhere to gank em.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf And where would the CCP employees play on their time off from work? Granted I'm playing the devil's advocate here, but it would demostrate where the company's loyalties lie: to the players that want an honest chance to start fresh, or to the established players that have seen it all and want to keep doing it anyway.
And it's not true that you will "always be a smaller fish" because somebody has to be bigger!
There is always someone playing more than you, better at what they do. You will not be the best on a new server unless you spend your life in eve. You really havent given any good reasons for a new server except "I want to be at the top as well!".
The rest of your post goes off on a tangent.
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf And where would the CCP employees play on their time off from work? Granted I'm playing the devil's advocate here, but it would demostrate where the company's loyalties lie: to the players that want an honest chance to start fresh, or to the established players that have seen it all and want to keep doing it anyway.
Who cares??!?! Not me, thats for sure. People whinge and moan about CCP staff playing the game, this has *never* negatively impacted me.
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And it's not true that you will "always be a smaller fish" because somebody has to be bigger! 99/100 times that is somebody who is the oldest characer on an established server! Show me the bosses of the giant corps that are less than 1 year old.
There's a distinction between giant and powerful that you miss in this statement. Goonswarm is giant, BoB is powerful. I have a friend who is the leader of a small but powerful corporation, but I wont do him the injustice of revealing him without his permission on here.
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Show me the macro miners that have been created in the last month. When you create a new server, you suddenly double the number of big fish possible,
And halve the competition, making for a less involved universe. Way to break the world.
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which I would argue is a good thing in order to grow the game and community. If everybody is happy with a smaller, neighborly community then that's totally cool. I'm simply emphasizing the fact that I'd rather have a brand new New Eden to explore, where I have a modicum of choice who my neighbors are.
Neighbours who will still run gatecamps and ganksquads because there's nobody else to stop them.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Originally by: Le Skunk
ROFL
Its a straight out battle between Privateers and BoB for rule of the galaxy?
SKUNK
oh god no :) But i do identify BoB as being the 0.0 powerhouse and Privateers being the hi sec powerhouse. TBH privateers have a lot to be proud of in the short time they've achieved it, and it's a shame nobody wants to fight for control of hi sec. But thats a non-sequitur.
Sure there's plenty of other people out there who fight at other levels, but by and large nobody matches the competitiveness of these two alliances IMO.
Point i'm trying to make besides sounding like I'm doing a lot of asskissing is that people dont realise that a hatred (or love) of alliances like these is what EVE gives you to work towards. If I were to jump on a new server, I'm not sure where I'd go, since my goal is to provide a commercial outlet to all major corporations/alliances.
You realise you have praised BOB (half the eve universe immediatly hates you) and Privateer Alliance (the other half immediatly hates you) in the same sentance!!!!
Very interesting points however and thanks for the ego polishing
SKUNK
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Savio
Caldari The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.11 07:37:00 -
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i hope not.. Why do you have to be the best? go play wow then!...
you dont have to be the best to have fun, and i hope CCP will never open another "shard" but they could give us some more regions and more highsec.. its getting crowded......
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HEDGUY
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:04:00 -
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Sigh...
Every time people raise this same subject of multiple shards and skill point differences I feel they have really missed the point:
Eve is about the ride to your destination. With its skill based specialization system, you have to make choices: will you train gallente cruiser V or go for a BS etc...
This, coupled with the single shard universe, makes every character UNIQUE: the char is driven by a purpose from its creator. Thats why Eve is also referred to as a SANDBOX game.
The OP and others here disregard this and have apparently been playing in order to gain SP/ISK. These are but means to an end: EvE is about the relationships you forge with others around you. That is what an MMO is about. Not about getting the most SP/ biggest ship/ biggest sword etc.
I love the fact I don't necessarily have to play EvE 10 hrs a day to progress a character because of the skill based system. You should just forget about the skills, have them as stuff to look forward to ("look! T2 guns!") instead of checkpoints ("can't fly X cause I don't have T2 guns yet :[ ").
In this way you help to forge this unique universe with others instead of only thinking about yourself :P.
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Linerra Tedora
Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:06:00 -
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seing as how ccp has stated multiple times, that they will not create another realm for us to play in, i find this a moot topic...
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 08:36:00 -
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Much of Eve's attraction is its single shard universe.
That being said, there are also some reasons to open up a second shard. One of them is indeed that new players are very much behind in terms of knowledge, ability and skill from older players. And not just in terms of combat (probably least of all in terms of combat).
But with veterans running the major alliances, having the T2 BPOs, being able to afford enough stuff to do invention etc, EVE creates more and more the perception of it being inhospitable to newer players. And that perception alone may very well be all that is needed to kill EVE in the end.
3 years from now, even the people who started today will have 35m SP, those who started back in 2003 will have 100m. Fleetfights will consist of dreads duking it out with MS and Titans, and where does that leave a new player in his rifter, or even in his T1 fitted battleship? He might very well think:"screw you guys, I am gonna find me another game to play." Some people will also have heard about all the scandals, about how a developer was found illegally helping the one of the strongest alliances in the game, and he might think to himself:"I start with a huge disadvantage, the developers are rigging the game in favour of the old guard and it will take me years to even get slightly competitive, maybe I should find a game where the odds are more in my favour".
And currently there is very little competition in Eve's niche of the market. But there are potential competitors on the horizon, not all of them will make it probably, but a good PvP focused game could siphon off a lot of Eve-players, or perhaps more importantly, draw most of the newer players that go to Eve now. Eventually you're gonna end up with a game with little influx of fresh blood, and a slowly declining amount of bitter veterans (look at CAOD forum) fighting it out in dreads and supercapitals in warzones where no new player can do anything noteworthy.
Of course, its hard to say whether a new shard would reduce this problem, it might actually force a crisis right away. Would be interesting though to see how much the world would be changed if a second shard was opened, and who would leave.
If CCP were ever to consider a second server, I would suggest avoiding a carbon copy of Tranquility. They should take the time to change the starmap, with different regions, different systems, different NPC factions (at least in name), just to make it less of a Tranquility clone. That way it would impact the uniqueness of Eve less than an exact clone would.
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MrRookie
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.04.11 09:10:00 -
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We could use a PVE "realm" where we can only pvp when we invite for duels Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow
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Monica Foulkes
Hooligans Of War Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 09:19:00 -
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If you had started with one of the new bloodlines you should have about 18mill SP right now and if you put it all towards one area you could be rather specialised. I know because I did it myself.
Splitting up the EVE universe would be the death to this game and will never happen unless EA manage to buy CCP.
People will always be ahead of you regardless what you do in EVE or IRL so get used to it. That doesn't mean you can't give them a run for the money though if you put your mind to it.
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Sisco Deivas
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:02:00 -
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He has a point, i mean you don't put the big kids, and the small kids in the same playground do you ;)
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Monica Foulkes
Hooligans Of War Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sisco Deivas He has a point, i mean you don't put the big kids, and the small kids in the same playground do you ;)
So we should have a n00b shard and a vet shard and people get moved across the day they hit 40mill SP?
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Amerus
Manticore.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:13:00 -
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i love beeing a noob compared to some.
im the padawan of many and of none.
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Sisco Deivas
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Monica Foulkes
Originally by: Sisco Deivas He has a point, i mean you don't put the big kids, and the small kids in the same playground do you ;)
So we should have a n00b shard and a vet shard and people get moved across the day they hit 40mill SP?
why 40 mill?, i just think there should be something to stop new players being constantly prayed upon.
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Auldare
The Ninja Coalition Phobos Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 10:56:00 -
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Saying that using only one server is outmoded and that CCP should follow the steps of more successful MMOs is going against the whole ethos of EVE.
EVE was created to be a one shard universe, it is never meant to compete with other games that has millions of subs. CCP's business model has made them hugely successful in their own right, they never aimed to follow others but to make something new and fresh.
As stated many times by other people the issue of there ever being another server is void, it has been stated many many times that CCP will never make a new universe. In my opinion they probably will feel they failed to do what they had set out to do if a new server opened.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.11 11:50:00 -
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Quote: I have experienced a serious concern, which is that whenever I try to do something, anything, in Eve it seems there is always someone doing it a thousand times better than me.
Its taken you almost a year to realise your in a player run universe with people as smart and smarter than yourself?
Quote: For example, even my account and character that has always been 100% combat skilled has yet to have any success what so ever without the help of corp members that have been playing for Eve for much much longer than I have.
Maybe if you focused on learning more, and whining less you might do better. Combat is all about numbers and effective ship combinations than SP.
Quote: This would work well, because the gap between the upper and lower classes would be far less severe, and eventually character transfers could be made available based upon whether your characters' Skill Points are below a median number.
Incrediby short sighted proposition.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 11:52:00 -
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Realm? What is this Realm you speak of? I have not seen any kingdoms, just one group who whorship some dumb dead past leader and keeps slaves.
Why would we want to start over? What would be the point?
OP you say you have been playing for a year? And you cant handle the aspects of 0.0 life? Sir, my corporation takes 6 week old characters there...after three weeks we stop helping them.
After a year of playing you have not perfected your game style?
After 7 months I was deadly in a cruiser, I was mining like nobodys bussness, and manufacturing and selling arms and ammunition at a price nobody could beat.
And all this was starting from scratch four years ago, BEFORE CCP gave boost, and made easy solo missions to do. The ONLY way to make ISK was to rat, mine, manufacture, and catch sombody at a jump in point.
I envy new players...1,000,000 SP right out the gate...I was so happy after I finally broke that make years ago.
Nay I say...Sir if you cant figure out how to play this game then yes, you need to return to the realms where you can shout out in the noob zone "PL me plz!!!" "Got any extra gear for a noob?" And my favorite is "Give me Plat!!!"
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Heraku
Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
After 7 months I was deadly in a cruiser, I was mining like nobodys bussness, and manufacturing and selling arms and ammunition at a price nobody could beat.
You describe exactly the experience i would like to have, unfortunately this aint possible anymore these days.
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Amerus
Manticore.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:22:00 -
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well, you cant be biggest and best all the time. its something you have to learn to live with. so sorry to have to say it. but deal with it.
do the best you can. im a small time miner and manufcaturer myself. and i still manage.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Heraku Edited by: Heraku on 07/04/2007 11:40:15 *put's flamesuit on*
YanBizzle i fully understand where your comming from.
The Universe in it's current form feels just like walking the paths, other players have prepared long ago. There is nothing new and exciting. Every corner is uncovered, every moon scanned, good spot's and plexes are timed and farmed to death. T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
I play this game since almost a year, and i got to admit that this is the only beef i got with EVE. I cant play a pioneer and build something up from scratch. Instead i got to seek consent or join a large corp / ally. (Can you say : walking in other peoples shoes ? )
Face it in this Galaxy we will always be third class, no matter how much time we spend or how smart we play.
There is no real freedom in this Galaxy. That beeing said, i would instantly start over in a new Galaxy given the chance. Find me some cool buddies and start to work...
was'nt everyone in eve just handed some new frontier and place where you can go build up, its called the new drone regions and Iknow many who went out there and did it. Highly unlikely but hey i allowed to dream or not ?
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Adrian Kerensky
Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:53:00 -
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GBTW...oh you've been playing for a year
*takes back flame...
I seriously doubt it. One of the main features of EVE is that everyone plays on the same server. Makes for a more interesting game experience. Of course it also creates more lag but I'm sure this will be fixed by technology and the rewriting of game code over time to make things more efficient. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil
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Quanah Parker
Comanche Nation
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:11:00 -
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tbh its just a game everyone finds one they like and dislike. i love eve and kinda hate wow for limiting the game play in it. but i was playing eve since beta so maybe im spoiled :P
as for another server.. personally id hate that. i really love the way everyone is on one server. being stuck in the middle of the usa in a small town all i do is work and try to relax, but when i started playing eve i made freinds in Greece, Scotland, England, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Isreal, Belguim, Denmark, Germany. and on and on . this is what truly sets eve aprt as we play on one server and have to adjust and acknowledge the existance of others who may be richer, better looking, smarter, funnier
people are way ahead on my main is sp because i took a years break and didnt train, and the fact i lived in 0.0 without implants for a looong time, doesnt help and i was poor to but meh i can make a thousand excuses. i still have a better understanding of pvp then alot of the uber 60+ mil point people that i meet and know.. ya ponder at the setups sometimes.
eve is one server now and hopefully for always. without it we wouldnt have this dynamic one universe we all share
now go kill whoever ya dont like
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.04.11 14:20:00 -
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Almost certainly, but my guess it will remain in game, rather a instance. Maybe the Eve gate, or the construction of superjump gates/accellerators would be the eventual outcome of exploration.
I can't imagine however CCP ever shifting from its current basic set up of game, as it works rather well. Rather than having to populate low sec with villian NPCS, they've rather nicely set the game up to require players 'of a more anti-social bent' to police that policy. Very cleverly (although allowing Capital ships in low sec is questionable...).
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Victor Payne
Minmatar Frontier Expeditions
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Posted - 2007.04.11 16:09:00 -
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My 2 cents..
I have been playing EVE now for 1 month and 10 days...Im loving it and having a great time..i like my corp...if it werent for my corpmates i would hate this game, they help me so I feel like so far im on the right track.
If they did make a new server, I would sadly tell my corpmates that I will be leaving to join the new server and get a fresh start. This has nothing to do with me wanting to be the best (i dont have the time to win a mmorpg), it has nothing to do with me losing pvp fights (truth be told, i havent been caught yet and yes, i traveled in low sec and even 0.0 but my mates have taught me how to be smart about it), its just that i also would enjoy the "new eden" aspect of a new server....
I guess what im trying to say is, I see Vet players, they would fight against a new server tooth and nail, after all who would they pwn if all the noobs left, if everyone was as good as them would they be happy? or do they see a noob asking for a new server and get that smug feeling that comes with being lucky enough to be here from the beginning and bash them and say mean things to them like "you cant always be the best, deal with it", or "thats what makes this game great (meaning i started before you and you h ave no other options than to bow before me nyah, nyah)?..but as a noob, I would not only go to a new server, i would recruit several friends to come over who are in other games, as they would come if they had a chance to get in on the ground floor. again, not because I want to be the big dog (dont have enough irl time for that), not because i lost a pvp fight, (im sure i will lose many, but havent had that happen yet)..but because it would give me a chance to start fresh with my friends.
In a way, the vets are whining as much as any new player inquiring about a new server for the opposite reasons.
I grew up in a poor family and had to be tough for everything i got in life, so being like a toddler, Ill probably survive in this sandbox with you adolescents, but if CCP decides to build another box, Ill toddle over there and start fresh on a new little sandcastle and then we'll see how long it takes for the adolescents to come over and say thier sorry since all the babies left and they have noone to steal thier milk money from anymore!! hehe
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Gamesguy
Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.11 17:33:00 -
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If ccp ever makes a new server then the old one would die, pure and simple. The guy who posted the history of that one spaceship trading game was absolutely correct. It would only begin a downward spiral.
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.11 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Payne My 2 cents..
I guess what im trying to say is, I see Vet players, they would fight against a new server tooth and nail, after all who would they pwn if all the noobs left, if everyone was as good as them would they be happy? or do they see a noob asking for a new server and get that smug feeling that comes with being lucky enough to be here from the beginning and bash them and say mean things to them like "you cant always be the best, deal with it", or "thats what makes this game great (meaning i started before you and you h ave no other options than to bow before me nyah, nyah)?
There is something younger players fail to see, and that is the importance of simply knowing the game, not Skillpoints. That is an advantage that comes with years of playing EVE indeed, but its nothing a new server where Vets move to would change.
Ask yourself the question, if 10 Vets and 10 new players would start out on a new server, who do you think would be a step ahead within a few months? It would be 8 out of 10 Vets, and maybe 2 of the noobs. And those 2 new players would also have been able to compete on TQ with the older ones.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Heraku
Originally by: Roshan longshot
After 7 months I was deadly in a cruiser, I was mining like nobodys bussness, and manufacturing and selling arms and ammunition at a price nobody could beat.
You describe exactly the experience i would like to have, unfortunately this aint possible anymore these days.
No because too much got nerfed to allow tech II to fit in. Rats only droped 10 missles or 10 rounds for the guns. Mods were basic stuff with some real good loot from the high end.
Missions nerfed the arms manufacture...100 missles 100 rounds. Droped loot far better then player made items...Drones got nerfed big time...list goes on...then tech II came about and nobody can make a living being industry.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.11 23:28:00 -
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I still haven't seen any good reasons for a second server.
-New players can't catch up -Can't compete with old players -It is no fun getting owned
NEWS FLASH !!
You will be left behind when all the experienced players come on the new server. Players that quit will come back and they will still have more knowledge than you.
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.04.12 00:58:00 -
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Here's one that hasn't been mentioned....
How many of you saw this place when it first started? The amount of time it took to populate the market and build the infrastructure of the game? This isn't like other games where you can pop up a fresh shard, start a fresh character, and do everything as fast as you can get the levels up.
All the minerals for sale on the market, Trillions upon Trillions of Tritanium, Pyrite, all of them.... mined by players, every piece.
All those shiny ships? 99.9% of them were built by players.
All the items? All your weapons out there were either player built, or found as rat drops.
To get a basic idea of how things would go, I dare you to try this experiment. Start up a new character, and try to get anywhere without using that player built support in the game. I date you, start up a new character and buy nothing off the market other than blueprints. Because thats what it will be like for months, want a better ship? Too bad, none available just yet. Ammo? buy a blueprint and make it yourself, none on the market. Minerals? Go mine. Isk? Go ratting, in your Rifter, with only what you got as loot for modules. 0.0? Go for it, with 1.5mil skillpoints, in a cruiser, and you're the biggest, badddest, toughest guy in your corp.
If you restart a new shard, you can have it. Because it's going to be a painful thing to be in for about 6 months or so. It's one thing for the players to be new, but if you have to restart the market you're going to be wishing real fast that you didn't do that.
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.12 01:10:00 -
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Wow you mean we could have a chance to participate in the economy? Sounds awesome! I'd love to go to a station and find 0 upgrade ships available instead of 4,998 Moas that sell for less than the insurance payout. Mining and Industry being highly sought after? Fun fun.
Instead a newbie has the chance to get fat by eating the crumbs that fall out of the rich player's mouths. So what if they are cruiser-sized crumbs, it is still a sad feeling to know that you will forever walk in the footsteps of those that came before... like 5 years before. Open a new shard, give people a chance to blaze new trails in the wilderness instead, watch them flock to EVE.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.12 01:13:00 -
[118]
This whole arguement revolves around there not being a level cap to moderate the gap between older and newer players. However, there is such a level cap, and so the whole discussion is pointless.
There is an absolute maximum potential in any one path, older players are just able to diversify more.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 01:57:00 -
[119]
generic flame!
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Kim Chee
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:23:00 -
[120]
Unlike level-based games, there's absolutely no reason to feel left behind in EVE. So, you aren't the best at every skill in the game... guess what? Neither is anyone else! It takes something like 25 years of real-time to train every skill to level 5, and the game hasn't been out that long. By the time it is, there will be so many more skills it would take 125 years.
You CAN catch up to anyone if you narrow your focus and train only the things you need to do that one thing. It only takes a couple of months to train up battleship skills to the point where you're a good match to anyone else. Capital ships take a bit longer, but still... you'd expect them to, wouldn't you?
Frankly, by the time your personal playing skills are good enough, your game based skills will probably have caught up.
However, you DO have to make some decisions, or you'll end up a jack of all trades (master of none) like me. :)
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:27:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Avon This whole arguement revolves around there not being a level cap to moderate the gap between older and newer players. However, there is such a level cap, and so the whole discussion is pointless.
There is an absolute maximum potential in any one path, older players are just able to diversify more.
Malcolm read this out loud 5 times.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:44:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Avon This whole arguement revolves around there not being a level cap to moderate the gap between older and newer players. However, there is such a level cap, and so the whole discussion is pointless.
There is an absolute maximum potential in any one path, older players are just able to diversify more.
There's also the interesting point that diversifying can suck just because you can't do all those things you can do in the same place and travel takes time. Hence alt slots (that said, go go single char!)
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.12 04:31:00 -
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What is to stop old players from starting fresh and getting isk the best way so as to get implants the fastest so as to become the highest SP skilled within a year ??
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Darkwingd
Gearheads for Hire
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Posted - 2007.04.12 06:10:00 -
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As a new player and someone who came from WoW, yes I admit it :P, the idea behind a single shard is one of the features that make the game fun and more alive for me. I find it cool that things are happening, not on another server where I will never see them, nor in an instance where I can't get in, but on the same server and if I could get there I could see it.
While I am somewhat bumed about having people who have soooooo much capital ahead of me I find myself in no way feeling held back becase they have more SP than me, they just have more money and networking, and just as in RL that can only be fixed with time and work.
This...
Originally by: Avon There is an absolute maximum potential in any one path, older players are just able to diversify more.
...is what you should remember.
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2007.04.12 07:33:00 -
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Well they are free to diversify all they want, I just think it would be fun to play on a new economy. I'm not delirious, I realize that the vets with the leet skills will be the ones to excel on the new shard. I just want a chance to play with them in an economy that doesn't carry the weight of 5 years worth of patches and bugs. There are still complexes giving HUGE amounts of ISK due to game bugs, by the time I can run them they will likely be fixed. Is that intentional? Is it fair? Why don't I just buy a character from somebody with 40+ million skill points that is leaving the game? Isn't that the quickest way to get ahead? Makes a lot more sense than paying subscription fees for a year.
And a seperate point - how would it hurt Tranquility if there was a different shard? You can make all the ideological arguments you want, but try to put the shoe on the other foot and imagine with me for a moment. You still play Tranquility... your character is very diverse, and exactly as powerful as my newb character. But wait, now I'm creating another character on the new server and you don't have to interact with me one bit! How does that affect you on Tranquility? The only effect will be thousands of people flocking to the new server that promises a chance to relive the pioneer days of New Eden and relieve the chronic lag problems. You guys are so skilled at EVE, well that's great, prove it with a new character, I promise I won't **** and moan about it. And neither will the other 50,000 subscribers that are interested in a fresh start in an amazing game.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.12 08:55:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf Why don't I just buy a character from somebody with 40+ million skill points that is leaving the game? Isn't that the quickest way to get ahead? Makes a lot more sense than paying subscription fees for a year.
you still dont get it
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Carbon Argon
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.04.12 09:21:00 -
[127]
The veterans are all going to complain and swear by "skill" being the player and not the million upon millions of skills they have obtained through their years of learnnig - you should have thought of this much before you posted. But then, you cant predict arrogance.
I agree with every point, but it would only start the scenario all over again, so while it may be an immediate advantage to us, it would be the same issue next year or the year after for another.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.12 09:32:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Carbon Argon but it would only start the scenario all over again, so while it may be an immediate advantage to us, it would be the same issue next year or the year after for another.
Maybe YOU get it !
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.12 11:14:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Carbon Argon The veterans are all going to complain and swear by "skill" being the player and not the million upon millions of skills they have obtained through their years of learnnig - you should have thought of this much before you posted. But then, you cant predict arrogance.
I agree with every point, but it would only start the scenario all over again, so while it may be an immediate advantage to us, it would be the same issue next year or the year after for another.
Wow, you speak of other's being arrogant while beong arrogant yourself, awesome. This isn't wow where you max at 60 or whatever. Ive been playing for 2yrs and 2 mths ish and i am as capable on the field of battle as some of my brother's in arm's who have double what i have. Sorry but skill is better than sp, would rather have a good friggie pilot than someone in a mega who hasn't a clue what they are doing.
You have to specialise, you can't expect to pik the game up and grind to catch up to the exact stats a 4-5 yr vet has, thats just dumb. You can be really good in 1 race, all ships in a fairly reasonable timeframe, probably more effective than some vet's who would have spread the sp's around alot and maybe can fly all races t2 but lower skill here and there.
People like you just don't get it and that's why you won't succeed.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.12 11:20:00 -
[130]
Never. Never ever ever. Ever.
Does that count as input?
Incidentally, you ever notice that everytime anyone makes a thread like this, they're always cancelling accounts, plural? Why does no-one with only one account ever quit this game? --------
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.12 11:29:00 -
[131]
I say CCP should make a new server...and all those that go there are locked there. No flip flopping from server to server.
Siege is right the first six months will suck, but if they want to play Eve...They are going to have to do what us other old timers did...mine our arses off and build that market from scratch.
Yeah that could be fun...hell I think CCP should go through the threads, and everyone in the past two years, that supported or suggested a new server shoul be locked out of tranq.
Be careful what you wish for......
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Locus Bey
Gallente Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.04.12 11:46:00 -
[132]
I had a 45 mill SP character...mship..dread..blah blah blah, gave up the game and then came back again 5 mths ago with a new character. In 5 mths I have 4 R&D Agents, invent, have 1 Bill ISK (that's with spending wildly) and lvl 4/5 skills enough to hold my own in most situations.
As has been stated over and over here, and it's obvious a lot of young whiners don't want to hear it, other than the range of ships you can fly the only real difference between noob and older player is experience. Throughout my time in EVE i've seen new players with the desire to be good at what they do pawn veterans over and over. If you set your mind to understanding the mechanics of a particular field, whether it be invention, trade, mining, pvp, whatever, you can and will compete. The big problem, if it is at all a problem, is that people are lazy and dumb, and expect everything handed to them on a plate. EVE is not that type of game
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Na'Khan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:07:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Jex Jast However, we can't claim that 0.0 or even lowsec are overpopulated - just empire. Lowsec is very quiet and 0.0 you're lucky to have 3 people in any given system save for the key alliance areas.
There's plenty of space to expand but people are afraid to do it. IMO we should just wait until empire is so bloody crowded people are forced to expand. When they get there:
1) They'll realize that pirates AREN'T camping every gate 23/7. 2) They'll start to form player-policing forces that have actual power. 3) Everyone will be happier, high-end minerals will become more common, and many people will stop *****ing.
QFT, considering Jex got told he was a troll earlier in the thread.. I think thats a well structured post, and defenetly no trolling there. But yeah it is exactly what he says, it's the pirates on C&P that give the yarrr! and everyone craps themselves.
The only place your going to get a regular gatecamp is the entrace points/choke points of 0.0, once your past that your lucky to see anyone for awhile (in uncontrolled 0.0 space).
So if everyone did spread out there would be less lag in certain areas, but there is also the point Soporo made out about 100 man fleet op, making a new server (realm, lmfao) wouldn't solve none of that, it's EVE in general that causes the lag in them kind of situations, it's and old game, the DEV's are focusing on add new eye candy (walk in stations FTL), and extra in-game content, than focusing on making thier (and our) game more stable.
Just what I think anyways..
I say no to a new server... for now anyway..
Na'k
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hundurinn
Caldari Energy.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:10:00 -
[134]
No one heard about the new game they are working on with White Wolf?
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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:22:00 -
[135]
so by this logic would be like this:
CCP make a new server... people start playing there... 2 months pass... then some new player feels that he has been left behind and everyone is better than him and wants a new server ??!?!
and here we go whit same kind of threads like this one.
i have been playing for 1,5 years... im in a alliance where most ppl have 2x the SP i got... do i feel dis advantaged... not really. i do my thing well and im equal at that level and thats cool. --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog ----------------- |
Gorthauran
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Posted - 2007.04.12 12:48:00 -
[136]
True, EVE can't be split as it is far too complex now after all these years to do that. Why not add more servers to say deal with a quadrant of EVE instead? For argument sake you could add 3 new servers to work with the one we have, like 4 quaters of the EVE universe to help share the load...what's waiting for 30 seconds to load into another server thats still one with the whole of EVE? Not an easy feat for developers i am sure but they need to think of something because this "single server" notion thats CCP likes to praise is only going to last for so long with all this new content and player growth... Anyway, thats just a thought so no need to flame my ass =P
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