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Kodiak31415
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:03:00 -
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Im sure I speak for a large portion of the eve community when I say...
"The day eve goes to more than one relm/shard/univerise is the day I quit eve"
Someone will always be better than you, get over it. Or get friends, mmo dosen't stand for masivly solo online. _______________________________ Idea stolen from DS:
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:12:00 -
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Great, go pick up your spell book and cloak of whining +1 and go back to the Realm whence you came. All these WOW people are finally dying on the vine.
My character is only 10 months old. I go back to Exodus as a player. If I percieved this reality of Eve gaming that you do I wouldn't have created a new character in '06 knowing how "outclassed" he'd be. Far from the truth. CCP's training system doesn't allow you to put all your skills in one ship. And you fail to account for actual pilot skill.
In EVE just as in the real world the perception of the "best" is in the eye of the beholder. Here as in real life there is no "best" character or person. Always a bigger fish, but far from a best.
Your hollow argument is trying to force a WOWization of EVE. (I'm seeing a lot of that on the forums lately. I hope the DEVs are aware of this perspective and distance themselves from it) A ****ing contest for characters is all a new server would be. You can't be on top here so maybe if they started over you could be. And you'd still fall short because the guy who signed up before you would be in "a HUGE advantage over newer players..." _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red." |
Princess MiMi
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Posted - 2007.04.07 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Princess MiMi on 07/04/2007 02:01:33 how about allowing players to buy SP with isk that way you can "catch up"
so the people with no life can grind isk all day and but all the sp they will ever need also the people who have lots of rl money can buy and sell GTC for isk and buy their way into the game
also as pointed out before what happens when the next patch comes out and there is a mass joining again all thoes people will be a year or what ever behind again and will be complaining that they are too far behind
EDIT: forgot to mention that the average life of an eve player is 7 months and you are stronger than the new people joining right now
and one final point i bet that there are a lot of people who are maxed out in "frigates" or who are the same as you since they dont want to spend 4 months maxing weapons to get 2% here and 5% there
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:00:00 -
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You can max out any given profession in 6-12 months.. want to be the best builder? You can have every single build skills to make tech2 crap in your field in 6 months..
Want to be a really good crow pilot? You can have every single skill it needs maxed in 12 months or so.
The only thing older players get, is MORE stuff maxed.. but you are a whiner if you think you can never catch up with old players.. because you can. But I'm sure you knew that, and just wanted to moan to get your point across.
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Lucky Lynn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:02:00 -
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EvE has realms? Son of a *****.
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Tiodus
Gallente City of Certitude
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tiodus on 07/04/2007 03:42:03 1. You can only compete against yourself tbfh
2. This game requires skill and not only skillpoints.
I'm gonna ignore the urge I feel to refer to checking out noobs who sees the capacitor on their first thorax's for the first time
-Tiodus
*edit* Spelling.
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YanBizzle
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:50:00 -
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My point is that the rift between the new and old is growing TOO large in my opinion, I agree with those that say it should stay in one shard, it is what makes Eve, Eve.
Perhaps what could be done is offer the highest level players the chance to move to another server, when the population grows to large in Tranquility, this way it would give the new players a better chance of being successful. This also creates a better economic situation for CCP, as hypothetically there will be fewer people leaving the Eve Community due the fact they cannot contend with the far far superior players. As was said, Eve was designed so new players can survive properly, but that being said I still believe the gap between the new and experienced has grown too vast, and if it has not, it soon will.
Best regards, thanks very much for your input! -Yan
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: YanBizzle My point is that the rift between the new and old is growing TOO large in my opinion, I agree with those that say it should stay in one shard, it is what makes Eve, Eve.
Perhaps what could be done is offer the highest level players the chance to move to another server, when the population grows to large in Tranquility, this way it would give the new players a better chance of being successful. This also creates a better economic situation for CCP, as hypothetically there will be fewer people leaving the Eve Community due the fact they cannot contend with the far far superior players. As was said, Eve was designed so new players can survive properly, but that being said I still believe the gap between the new and experienced has grown too vast, and if it has not, it soon will.
Best regards, thanks very much for your input! -Yan
What exactly defines "too large"?
Higher-level players moving to a new server would be strange and interesting, but if they were just offered, then many would probably stay, knowing the kind of competition they'd be up against on a new server...
Lastly, new players shouldn't be contending with the oldest ones. And because of the profession maxing flexibility, if you master something then you've caught up to an 03 player already, at least in that field. Use that strength until you've trained up another one, etc. ----- Leave my color tags alone. |
Devious Syn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:22:00 -
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The game is fine, you just wanna solo pawn everything after a year, not gonna happen.
EvE is really a team based thing which is why its not so important to have Uber amounts of SP, a couple of year old toons can pawn a few older players if they have skills in working together.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:25:00 -
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CCP should only open up another Server when they believe that their one server will have problems with containing the entire populace of Eve. I have played other MMORPGs and empty servers are not that fun, though Wanderhome in SWG had some charm...
--Personally I would love a server where everyone starts from scratch, but that is because I never experienced the game when it was fresh and untouched, not because I want to compete with other players.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.04.07 04:53:00 -
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Oh! I think they are opening a new server, it's called "whine," and they give you plenty of cheese to go with it.
Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but if you are worried about that kind of thing, then you perhaps missed all the fun along the way. You've been around a year, and that's plenty of time to just about max out any specific skill tree you like. Skill level 5 is skill level 5, no matter how old you are. You can, therefore, compete very effectively at one year with someone two years older than you. Someone being much older than you just means they are maxed out on a few different things than you are, which might be completely irrelevant to the ships you are using to fight each other.
But anyway, I think there are some orcs that need killing, you might want to check into that.
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 08:50:00 -
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New players to new 'realm' then feel unfairly disadvantaged, request new realm.
It doesn't end, just look at WoW. In fact, WoW and L2 serve as great examples of how attitude changes everything. I have only 1 60 (and I have no intention of ever reactivating that acc). I know some people with 3. I have met people who started the game years after me, who with the right connections, had not only hit 60 in under a month, but also out-geared me in a matter of weeks.
Its not something to try and correct half-heartedly. Humans compete, and the best you can do for the little guy, is average out the better guy. Which just makes the world more bland, more vanilla.
You say you've been playing for a year. Did you specialise? Do you think that the players with 20mil sp haven't rerolled and found a use for the new character within a month of sp training? Hell, there are trial accounts out there with level 5 skills I don't have. You can do a lot with new accounts thanks to ccp fighting sp inflation. It just takes a bit of effort. A change of perspective, something. Its one thing to be upset at arbitrary advantages people are given (T2 bpos) and another to be thinking that a company should just abandon or punish its loyal players to make way for new blood.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:02:00 -
[43]
You can play on the test server.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:45:00 -
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The biggest aspect of eve that makes it what it is .... is that its a single persistent server.
If you know someone that plays eve, you know you can meet / affect them in game !!
miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:52:00 -
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Its not impossible to compete with older players. You might not be able to kill one in a duel, but so what? Eve is about team work and groups. When you have played a year you should be able to switch corporation and pick one of the established oldtimer corporations. Im pretty sure you will learn a lot from them on how to really play the game. And then you can start competing.
You do not compete in Eve by waiting for 20 mill sp and then try to find duels...
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:53:00 -
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All great points in this thread. Any character after 2 years can be "maxed" if they were specialized, anything else is just for variety.
Seriously, if you want to go having a good chance of killing anyone else in the game, dont ask for new 'realms', just accept that you are going about gaming all wrong in the first place.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:02:00 -
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Being effective in pvp involves 50% skillpoints and 50% knowing how to fly your ship propely.
I am in the same situation as you, it doesnt really bother me though. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: YanBizzle My point is that the rift between the new and old is growing TOO large in my opinion, I agree with those that say it should stay in one shard, it is what makes Eve, Eve.
Perhaps what could be done is offer the highest level players the chance to move to another server, when the population grows to large in Tranquility, this way it would give the new players a better chance of being successful. This also creates a better economic situation for CCP, as hypothetically there will be fewer people leaving the Eve Community due the fact they cannot contend with the far far superior players. As was said, Eve was designed so new players can survive properly, but that being said I still believe the gap between the new and experienced has grown too vast, and if it has not, it soon will.
Best regards, thanks very much for your input! -Yan
I understand your perspective Yan, but you shouldn't let that percieved difference let you think that you're at a permanent disadvantage. After all, why is it the younger generation are not at a constant disadvantage to the older generation? Because while the older generation had experience and wisdom, the younger is more apt to innovate, take new risks, do stupid things in the name of science and/or conquest. It's much like evolution really, in the sense that the younger can overcome the older by innovating. Goonswarm was/is a good example. The time they first came about the general doctrine of fleet combat was to outfit all your ships with the best equipment they could afford do lose, but Goonswarm turned the idea completely upside down by using extremely cheap ships in large numbers, and (to an extent) that's why you see them controlling a bug chunk of space on the map now.
Though I do get jealous when I see someone flying around in a HAC
<sig> IBTL! IBDS! And other such forum tom-foolery. </sig> |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:25:00 -
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There is no such problem in EVE. Tell me.. how many MMOs can have 10 x 2 week old character defeat any 2 year old character (except supercapital ships... but these are as hard to kill to 1 month old char as to 2 year old)?
Eve is the best MMO for begginers by far.... the only problem is that in first few weeks you have no clue of the tricks you need to use to survive. After that.. jsut find friends and you are good.
A 1 year old character as you can be a very good HAC pilot, as good as a 3 year old one.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
michael weels
Gallente Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:36:00 -
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new realm wood b good
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heheheh
Singularity. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 07/04/2007 11:33:54 Edited by: heheheh on 07/04/2007 11:33:23 The rift betw4een older andnewer players is fine, Younger players are always of use and despite what you say it is very possible for you to beat players with more SP in combat, you say youhavebeen here 1 year yet have not once been succesfull in pvp ? all i can say is you are still choosing the wrong targets. Im betting you were one of those people on WOW that cried for a new PVP server to open every month becuase the ones on your server had "EpicS" and you couldnt kill them, even though you could. All in all i think a new server would be a good idea, but only for a lag reduction reason, nothing else.
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Heraku
Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Heraku on 07/04/2007 11:40:15 *put's flamesuit on*
YanBizzle i fully understand where your comming from.
The Universe in it's current form feels just like walking the paths, other players have prepared long ago. There is nothing new and exciting. Every corner is uncovered, every moon scanned, good spot's and plexes are timed and farmed to death. T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
I play this game since almost a year, and i got to admit that this is the only beef i got with EVE. I cant play a pioneer and build something up from scratch. Instead i got to seek consent or join a large corp / ally. (Can you say : walking in other peoples shoes ? )
Face it in this Galaxy we will always be third class, no matter how much time we spend or how smart we play.
There is no real freedom in this Galaxy. That beeing said, i would instantly start over in a new Galaxy given the chance. Find me some cool buddies and start to work...
Highly unlikely but hey i allowed to dream or not ?
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Heraku
T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
You haven't seen the 350mill hulks have you?
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Heraku
Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace
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Posted - 2007.04.07 11:45:00 -
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Taking Hulk's as an example for the entire T2 Market aint representative really.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.07 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Heraku
T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
That's completely false actually. Even if you own 10 T2 BPOs you can be beaten by an inventor because he's not bound to any single product and can choose which modules are most profitable. T2 BPO holders cannot.
<sig> IBTL! IBDS! And other such forum tom-foolery. </sig> |
Skyee
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Posted - 2007.04.07 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skyee on 07/04/2007 12:05:01 The big issue here is not really skills, as has been said here you can operate with others till you get the skills up.
The big problem with Eve at the moment is the way CCP have biased Eve for PvP, this is leaving no place in the game for people who are not into PvP but prefer to mine and make things.
We are in a situation where a pirate corp decided to go after us, they joined the Priviteers and got them to war dec us. This is plain stupid an entire allience war decing a single corp, It has rendered us unable to operate they just sit outside station and blow up everyone who leaves, and although we will fight back we have already lost a long term player who has decided, to quit Eve, as he put it if he cannot play as he wants, he will stop paying CCP and give his money to a game that allows him to play as he wants.
His opinion is that Eve has reached a peak, and will now dwindle to small core of pure PvP players, also if most of the carebear empire producers decide to quit where does that leave the Eve Market?
A simple solution would be to prevent empire wars, this would allow people the option of playing safely in hi-sec if the want but still have the opton if going to low sec and accept the risk, the current situation is removing that choice.
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Ankanos
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.07 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: YanBizzle Hello, I was wondering if CCP ever plans to create another realm, or world where everyone must start from scratch?
um...NO.
Life is unfair. Eve does a great job of reflecting this. the game's playing field has been leveled too much as it is..
only suggestion: pick your fights. don't let them pick you.
-lets keep the original vision of this game intact, tyvm.
fair=boring
dont caught up with the numbers.. skill counts alot more than skill points.
/me goes back to sleep
-ank
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Willow Whisp
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Posted - 2007.04.07 13:00:00 -
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Hey, aren't you the guy that had 15 accounts so you could mine crok in 0,0 to pay with isk for all those accounts? I remember going to an asteroid field to see 1stYanBizzle, 2ndYanBizzle, 3rdYanBizzle, 4thYanBizzle, YanBizzle and YanRizzle all mining away...
I'm the alt of the main that the forums picked, and i can't be arsed to go through the "settings" page to change it back, k? |
Rebal 88
Minmatar Blackrain Solutions
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
A good analogy(correct term?) would be to say: Well i know bill gates has a lot more of these paper thingies then i do, but winning 20 bucks from a scratch lottery is still heck of a rush
Correct term.
Oh and OP...what is this "realm" you speak of?
Did you come from...yeah...you did I can still smell it on you...
lolz Dieing in lowsec is common..get over it. |
Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.07 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Heraku Edited by: Heraku on 07/04/2007 11:40:15 *put's flamesuit on*
YanBizzle i fully understand where your comming from.
The Universe in it's current form feels just like walking the paths, other players have prepared long ago. There is nothing new and exciting. Every corner is uncovered, every moon scanned, good spot's and plexes are timed and farmed to death. T2 BPO's are seeded and no way inventioners can compete.
I play this game since almost a year, and i got to admit that this is the only beef i got with EVE. I cant play a pioneer and build something up from scratch. Instead i got to seek consent or join a large corp / ally. (Can you say : walking in other peoples shoes ? )
Face it in this Galaxy we will always be third class, no matter how much time we spend or how smart we play.
There is no real freedom in this Galaxy. That beeing said, i would instantly start over in a new Galaxy given the chance. Find me some cool buddies and start to work...
Highly unlikely but hey i allowed to dream or not ?
So uhm, I get you right that you are saying that
- everything in a game that has already been done before you did it = boring and not exciting? Like, if you would make enough isk, become part of an alliance and were able to build a mothership for yourself. It loses all appeal because there are other motherships already flying around?
Going by that logic, every MMO is boring for you, because although for example Lotro is just getting released you can get maps of all things to discover already, cause someone did it. Means the game doesnt have any excitement for you?
And what is this with EVE having no freedom, how did you come to that conclusing?
I neither understand how "you" will always be 3rd class in EVE, I play with every age of chars ingame since I started out, there is absolutely no difference in the fun they have. And very few are unbelievably rich 3 year old players.
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