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Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:13:30 -
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IGÇÖve been away from EVE from some time and have recently returned.
After a couple losses, and a bunch of reading, it seems like industrial, freighter, transport, mining, and fancy ship ganking is a common thing now even if not for profit.
A few general and a couple specific questions:
1.I red-flaged CODE; Who else do I need to add to contacts?
2.Is there an in-game anti-gank intel channel? I had one, but it seems to be inactive now.
What is the fit for and escort / scout in high sec? I have decent setups for low/WH/0.0 - but I think most would get me killed by Concord in high sec - especially when neutral corps are involved in the gank.
I understand the webbing, but what else works well for defense?
Like a lot of things in EVE , I keep finding old info that IGÇÖm not sure is still relevant. IGÇÖm in a very small corp with only 2-3 active players at any given time. So the fleet will consist of just 1-2 defenders, I need them to be as useful as possible.
We're trying to relocate and need to do a lot of moving.
Does the GÇ£TARGET SPECTUM BREAKERGÇ¥ work in high sec, or will that get me Concorded? (never used this mod before)
Does the lockbreaker bomb cause me to get Concorded?
It seems like targeted ECM would be useless against a decent size fleet; and remote repairing as well, True?
Any other tips would be appreciated, I know the basics of DSCAN, Scout, Web, avoidance, but may be unfamiliar with newer tactics. This was far less of an issue last time I played. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1289
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:36:24 -
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Join the 'Haulers Channel'
Create courier contracts and post them there.
Relax with a drink, knowing someone else has accepted the risk and covered it with 110% of the worth in collateral.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
57
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:43:36 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Join the 'Haulers Channel'
Create courier contracts and post them there.
Relax with a drink, knowing someone else has accepted the risk and covered it with 110% of the worth in collateral.
Join Haulers channel. Create contracts with items worth bupkis, covered with collateral worth Billions. Upon acceptance, shoot the hauler and then collect your iskies. Relax with a drinking knowing that you have made eve a better place for one and all. |
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:45:03 -
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I get that - and thanks, but I rather learn how to do it myself.
I think, I'm going to go more industrial / high sec this time around because we're older now and have less game time, so these skills will probably be useful. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1289
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:50:31 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote:Join Haulers channel. Create contracts with items worth bupkis, covered with collateral worth Billions. Upon acceptance, shoot the hauler and then collect your iskies. Relax with a drinking knowing that you have made eve a better place for one and all.
Anyone that would accept a contract that has terms outside the channels recommendations deserves to be blown skyhigh.
Good haulers never accept contracts with their hauling character, only with alts; which completely shoots down your scenario.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59819
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:51:52 -
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1. Don't make yourself a profitable gank target by hauling a too expensive cargo
2. Always fit for tank, not for extended cargo
3. Never use autopilot, always fly manually
4. Keep an eye on local, prolific gankers are usually at -10 sec status and will show up in your local overview
4. most dangerous systems are in the pipelines between the major trade hubs, especially with security level 0,5 and 0,6 (Uedama and Niarja iirc)
5. I just realized I used the number 4 twice
6. so this should be number 7, then
8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.
9. DSTs are usually safer and quicker than freighters and can have similar EHP if fitted correctly
10. if you feel the same pilot is following you over several systems, just give in to your natural paranoia and fly a little zig zags or dock up until you are rid of him
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1188
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:14:17 -
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Ivy Axisur wrote:I get that - and thanks, but I rather learn how to do it myself.
Kudos for that. In addition to what's been posted so far, I have some as well:
- if you fly an Industrial (plain T1 or Deep Space Transport), google MWD cloak trick and learn to use it. If executed correctly, it will make you almost untouchable on Hisec gates.
- consider using covops frigates (either plain "Covert Ops" or Bombers) for small volume/high value cargo (deadspace modules, clone soldier tags, blueprints and the likes) or Blockade Runners for bigger volumes/high value, and warp cloaked all the time. Most gankers will not even realize you were there. ;)
- even with the two methods mentioned above, you are still vulnerable when undocking from a station. To counteract that, make insta undocks before you undock your loot pinata to get off the station undock quickly. Google the term if you do not know what I'm talking about.
- if you fly a freighter, consider having a friend help you. Flying a Rapier, Loki or Huginn he can quickly web you after each jump, allowing you to enter warp much more quickly, greatly reducing the window of opportunity for potential attackers. That, along with tanking it and not overloading it in terms of ISK value is pretty much the only thing you can do with a freighter. |
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:28:28 -
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Most of this IGÇÖm already familiar with (insta undock is a new one) GÇô but still good tips, thanks.
I spent most of my time in WH space so I'm accustom to threats & evasion. I'm somewhat less familiar with defending one's self in highsec against suicide and NPC corp alts.
Any suggestions on my original questions? |
Bemo
Narcosis.
34
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:29:28 -
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A few general and a couple specific questions:
1.I red-flaged CODE; Who else do I need to add to contacts?
2.Is there an in-game anti-gank intel channel? I had one, but it seems to be inactive now.
There is an Anti-ganking and Gank-Intel channels
I understand the webbing, but what else works well for defense?
Use the MWD+Cloak trick. Your best defense is to not get caught period.
Like a lot of things in EVE , I keep finding old info that IGÇÖm not sure is still relevant. IGÇÖm in a very small corp with only 2-3 active players at any given time. So the fleet will consist of just 1-2 defenders, I need them to be as useful as possible.
We're trying to relocate and need to do a lot of moving.
Use DST instead of freighters. They cost less, are faster, safer.
Does the GÇ£TARGET SPECTUM BREAKERGÇ¥ work in high sec, or will that get me Concorded?
Concordokken will happen
Does the lockbreaker bomb cause me to get Concorded?
Can't use bombs in HS/Low Sec
It seems like targeted ECM would be useless against a decent size fleet; and remote repairing as well, True?
Yep useless unless its a single ganker which never happens
How are "bumpers" dealt with if hidden from dscan?
There is now a 3 min timer. After 3 min you auto warp it was in a patch not too long ago
Any other tips would be appreciated, I know the basics of DSCAN, Scout, Web, avoidance, but may be unfamiliar with newer tactics. This was far less of an issue last time I played.
Basically just watch what you do. Try to align and stay hidden. If you jump through a gate and there are alot of people sitting on it just use the mwd+cloak trick (it is approved by cpp as a legit mechanic). No amount of tank will save you if you have a bunch of gankers on you no matter what people tell you.
( use to be a hauler, completed hundreds of high value contracts, never got ganked )
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59822
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:29:44 -
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@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Bemo
Narcosis.
34
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:31:25 -
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Any other questions feel free to pm me ingame. |
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:34:42 -
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Fantastic! Bemo Narcosis, thank you so much!
Neuntausend, Zimmy - thank you as well; very much appreciate it!
And ya blockade runners and covert ops are certainly my go-to choices for anything small.
Thanks again!
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1189
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:35:30 -
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Yes. Avoid undocking from the Jita/Amarr Hubs if at all possible. Personally, I set up contracts to bring my stuff from the hub to another less crowded station in the same system, and then take over from there. Costs a million ISK or so and takes away the bulk of the risk. If they make it, business as usual. If they go pop - yay, instant profit! |
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:41:27 -
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From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM? |
Bemo
Narcosis.
34
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:46:26 -
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Ivy Axisur wrote:From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM?
Bring logi if anything. Just have to hold out for concord. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59823
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:46:51 -
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Ivy Axisur wrote:From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM?
Pretty much.
The only halfway useful defense would be a logi cruiser that puts reps on you and tries to keep you alive until concord arrives.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2547
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:52:40 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.
How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2547
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:00:32 -
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As far as I know the 3 minute timer on bumps has not been implemented.
To the OP, you have two choices, if you are going to run a freighter then you are at risk, you need to operate it as if it is an operation with your corp members. Let me point out that a JF with exit cyno's is the best way and make sure you have good cyno's set up. If you do use a freighter then note that webbing is something that can be defeated by the Blackbird that they use getting a point on you so the freighter does not warp allowing the bumper to get on you. That is really difficult to defeat with only 2-3 other people and for me it was the end of the line for my freighter, I sold it.
Use a DST as your best choice, tank the hell out of it more than anything else.
I don't know about other people but I tested the DST with the MWD cloak trick and I found that I had to fit for this, otherwise it did not work well enough and the issue is that in crowded locations your cloaking may be prevented. The Amarr DST can be set up with a truly beastly tank for about 534m which is something that I will be doing at some point.
Using the hauler channel is your best bet, just put the collateral at 125% of the value and pat a certain amount, 1m a jump will get it done and be nice and don't do contracts that require maximum cargo as they are too vulnerable and most people avoid them, do it from NPC station to NPC station as people will not do it to Citadels.
Hope that this helps.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59824
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:06:35 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado. How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.
Sounds effective but not especially simple.
I usually just use my ++ber-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec).
A lot simpler this way.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2548
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:11:32 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado. How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective. Sounds effective but not especially simple. I usually just use my ++ber-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec). A lot simpler this way.
That works  , I use a BR for lowsec, however gate to gate in certain areas is not recommended, but I am certain you know that as it is evident that you know what you are doing.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1350
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:12:28 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado. How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective. Sounds effective but not especially simple. I usually just use my ++ber-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec). A lot simpler this way.
Extra bonus:
Load DST with TWO cargo expander and rigged magnates and place all your to be BR'd stuff inside them. THen load those magnates into the fleet hangar.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59824
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:18:40 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado. How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective. Sounds effective but not especially simple. I usually just use my ++ber-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec). A lot simpler this way. Extra bonus: Load DST with TWO cargo expander and rigged magnates and place all your to be BR'd stuff inside them. THen load those magnates into the fleet hangar.
You made me post old memes...see what you did?
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59824
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:33:44 -
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Dracvlad wrote:That works , I use a BR for lowsec, however gate to gate in certain areas is not recommended, but I am certain you know that as it is evident that you know what you are doing.
Why, thank you, good sir.
I've always been good at running away...maybe that's why I have some kind of natural affinity for Blockade Runner class vessels..
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:55:21 -
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Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
46233
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Posted - 2016.12.07 22:08:03 -
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Ivy Axisur wrote:Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often.
If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR.
Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot.
As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state.
Docking is the only good use of autopilot.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.12.07 22:43:24 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Ivy Axisur wrote:Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often. If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR. Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot. As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state. Docking is the only good use of autopilot.
Very cool idea! I will do exactly that.
Undock bumping is probably the only vulnerability then. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
46235
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Posted - 2016.12.08 00:02:05 -
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Ivy Axisur wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Ivy Axisur wrote:Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often. If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR. Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot. As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state. Docking is the only good use of autopilot. Very cool idea! I will do exactly that. Undock bumping is probably the only vulnerability then.
Yes it can be. Personally on the Jita undock I drift out for 15-20 seconds after undocking before warping to my instaundock.
With 30 seconds invulnerable that still makes it impossible to be targeted and gets out past the traffic before warping to the instaundock
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
18475
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Posted - 2016.12.08 00:10:48 -
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BR are also super fast in warp, mine will out run all but the most specialised interceptors. |
Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
12
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Posted - 2016.12.08 05:35:09 -
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On the other hand, you could do what I did the first time I flew my freighter and go on a run from Dodixie to Jita on AP...Pick up about 10b worth of items, and then AP back to Dodixie. Sure you run through Uedama or whatever, but if you have beginners luck like I did, you won't get ganked! |
Vigirr
174
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Posted - 2016.12.08 05:56:36 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Ivy Axisur wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Ivy Axisur wrote:Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often. If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR. Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot. As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state. Docking is the only good use of autopilot. Very cool idea! I will do exactly that. Undock bumping is probably the only vulnerability then. Yes it can be. Personally on the Jita undock I drift out for 15-20 seconds after undocking before warping to my instaundock. With 30 seconds invulnerable that still makes it impossible to be targeted and gets out past the traffic before warping to the instaundock
If you picked your undocking BM correctly you can't get bumped when warping to it as you instantly enter warp.
The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly. You just need 3 things:
- well made undocking BM, for jita you can use can use the moon that 's in line when you undock (click shift alt x to show moon brackets, warp there, BM midwarp). for others you'll have to make one using an MWD frigate first
- use the AP to dock up instantly, if you fly a BR a whole lot it might help to create a BM while flying inside the station perimeter and use that as a warp to while having the station as destination. Reason is that very agile ships have a tendency to fall short on their warp meaning you still have to slowboat 1-2KM at times, this prevents that
- use your cloak correctly, in case of covert ops you can't really do it wrong. If not then use cloak/mwd trick, here's an old video of mine explaining it, it's outdated in many ways but still applies in terms of mechanics. |
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Cristl
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Posted - 2016.12.08 07:01:18 -
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We don't know what you're moving, but you said relocating. In that case, consider scraping junk, selling lowends and misc stuff lying around.
What's left might be valuable mods, high end mins, (compressed!) ore and ships. Then look at the orca: pretty tough, can get to warp in reasonable time, and can carry a variety of cargo types. The best companion would be *another* orca (best if not full so if things go south the non-ganked orca can grab cargo or scoop any loot) and a covops to be a jump ahead looking for obvious danger.
That's pretty safe, but you always run the risk of being autism-bombed in eve :) |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2549
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Posted - 2016.12.08 10:58:50 -
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Vigirr wrote:
The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly.
Well it works, zero ganks mate speaks for itself.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa
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Vigirr
174
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Posted - 2016.12.08 11:57:28 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Vigirr wrote:
The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly.
Well it works, zero ganks mate speaks for itself.
If you add a hull repper to your fit and proceed to not get ganked then the next time you can post about how having a hull repper is what makes all the difference, as you haven't been ganked since you fitted one. QED. |
Memphis Baas
2443
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Posted - 2016.12.08 12:52:13 -
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Bemo wrote:Ivy Axisur wrote:From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM? Bring logi if anything. Just have to hold out for concord.
Battlecruiser(s) with +Armor or -Inertia command bursts? Not sure whether worth it. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2550
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Posted - 2016.12.08 13:32:47 -
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Vigirr wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Vigirr wrote:
The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly.
Well it works, zero ganks mate speaks for itself. If you add a hull repper to your fit and proceed to not get ganked then the next time you can post about how having a hull repper is what makes all the difference, as you haven't been ganked since you fitted one. QED.
Are you losing your mind, you are talking about multi rep fittings when I suggested a tactic to reduce risk based around bumps on the Jita undock, could you get any more stupid with your reply, I don't think so...   Pathetic...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa
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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
19
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Posted - 2016.12.08 14:04:26 -
[36] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.
All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves.
What is really required here is some common sense and proper caution. The best kind of escort is reconnaissance, and the best kind of fit is one which maximises tank and survivability. Don't bother with offensive modules, because by the time you've locked someone the battle is over. All you need to do is either evade the attack with an MWD + Cloak industrial, or have enough buffer tank to survive the attack before CONCORD intervenes.
With this in mind I can and often do escort valuable shipments with my corp. The best advice I can give is to only ever work with people you trust. Most gankers will rock raw DPS ships, and this usually means massive numbers of destroyers, and possibly cruisers or battlecruisers. So your escort needs to be geared to ships which can engage and eliminate those threats quickly. Usually our corporate escorts consist of some combination of Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Logistics ships. With the only purpose of Logistic being to lock the VIP hauler and keep it alive.
Or course, the other route is to go for ECM, Sensor Damp, and Targeting disruption frigates. Though be mindful that if you enlist large numbers of Alpha EWAR pilots they could double cross you to CODE (as per my previous point - only ever work with people you trust). Also be aware that any ECM Burst modules used will most likely result in that ship being CONCORD'ed as well. So they should be mounted on a frigate as a form of suicide defence. Do not fit ECM burst to key damage dealing escorts, and for heaven's sake don't fit it to the hauler. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2550
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Posted - 2016.12.08 14:11:26 -
[37] - Quote
Marcus Binchiette wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:
8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.
All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves. What is really required here is some common sense and proper caution. The best kind of escort is reconnaissance, and the best kind of fit is one which maximises tank and survivability. Don't bother with offensive modules, because by the time you've locked someone the battle is over. All you need to do is either evade the attack with an MWD + Cloak industrial, or have enough buffer tank to survive the attack before CONCORD intervenes. With this in mind I can and often do escort valuable shipments with my corp. The best advice I can give is to only ever work with people you trust. Most gankers will rock raw DPS ships, and this usually means massive numbers of destroyers, and possibly cruisers or battlecruisers. So your escort needs to be geared to ships which can engage and eliminate those threats quickly. Usually our corporate escorts consist of some combination of Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Logistics ships. With the only purpose of Logistic being to lock the VIP hauler and keep it alive. Or course, the other route is to go for ECM, Sensor Damp, and Targeting disruption frigates. Though be mindful that if you enlist large numbers of Alpha EWAR pilots they could double cross you to CODE (as per my previous point - only ever work with people you trust). Also be aware that any ECM Burst modules used will most likely result in that ship being CONCORD'ed as well. So they should be mounted on a frigate as a form of suicide defence. Do not fit ECM burst to key damage dealing escorts, and for heaven's sake don't fit it to the hauler.
I wish more people were like you, I really like how you operate, this is how to do it.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
242
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Posted - 2016.12.08 14:38:31 -
[38] - Quote
Dracvlad! Where have you been, brother?
Still giving poor advice to haulers, I see.
The ranks of AG must have really missed you. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59829
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Posted - 2016.12.08 14:55:24 -
[39] - Quote
Marcus Binchiette wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:
8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.
All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves.
Well, I knew this point was obviously debateable, that's why I prefaced it with "If in doubt".
If you are flying an industrial, chances are you are also involved in industry. As a manufactuer of mediocre ships for the less wealthyGäó, I have nothing against highsec content creators- quite the opposite actually, their destruction creates a demand that I can supply.
But since this thread seems to be a cut above the average drivel in here and actually has some nice information and discussion, it would be pretty nice if we could stay on topic and not let it degenerate into just another GRR CODE HAT CODE thread.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Bob Donovitch
The Iron Bank and Trust
28
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Posted - 2016.12.08 15:09:13 -
[40] - Quote
I just returned to EVE after about a year and a half break. But. I see a possible method of using EVE's FTP Alpha clone **** up to advantage freighter pilots.
1. Make an Alpha clone account separate from your main.
2. Train up enough to fly a frigate with guns.
3. Have your Alpha account and your freighter account open at same time.
4. Move both ships to the same gate. ie: one entering Uedama
5. Jump frigate in and find something to start blasting at. This will bring Concord to the gate.
6. Once Concord arrives jump freighter through gate and warp to next gate.
Once Alpha clone has such a deplorable rating you can no longer fly in HiSec retire clone and create another one.
Don't know if this would work in practice ... But seems logical to me. |
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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1022
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Posted - 2016.12.08 15:40:31 -
[41] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:@ 9000:
While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.
You can keep sliding out and hope to clear traffic before the invulnerability window ends as mentioned above or I believe it still works where if you are in a fleet with the fleet window open and park an alt at your insta warp bookmark you can warp to the alt from the fleet window while the game is still loading grid so will never bump.
Personally I'd never use a freighter - as much as possible I dual box BRs if I need to haul - just so quick to get anywhere and have to be really unlucky to get ganked - having insta dock bookmarks and using the AP thing also helps just incase as you sometimes land slightly off the docking radius :| |
Rogwar Toralen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
27
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Posted - 2016.12.08 15:43:22 -
[42] - Quote
With regard to undocks don't do that with a freighter.
2nd with regard to undocks and like blockade runners etc, invest time to learn how to make a near perfectly aligned undock. Make some out to thousands of km out. You will zip right out unlockable with a good undock.
With regard to freighters, use scouts for choke points and a quality webbing alt. |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
242
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Posted - 2016.12.08 16:03:16 -
[43] - Quote
Bob Donovitch wrote:I just returned to EVE after about a year and a half break. But. I see a possible method of using EVE's FTP Alpha clone **** up to advantage freighter pilots.
1. Make an Alpha clone account separate from your main.
2. Train up enough to fly a frigate with guns.
3. Have your Alpha account and your freighter account open at same time.
4. Move both ships to the same gate. ie: one entering Uedama
5. Jump frigate in and find something to start blasting at. This will bring Concord to the gate.
6. Once Concord arrives jump freighter through gate and warp to next gate.
Once Alpha clone has such a deplorable rating you can no longer fly in HiSec retire clone and create another one.
Don't know if this would work in practice ... But seems logical to me.
You'd be violating the ToS AND it still wouldn't work. |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
20
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:20:25 -
[44] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Marcus Binchiette wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:
8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.
All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves. Well, I knew this point was obviously debateable, that's why I prefaced it with "If in doubt". If you are flying an industrial, chances are you are also involved in industry. As a manufactuer of mediocre ships for the less wealthyGäó, I have nothing against highsec content creators- quite the opposite actually, their destruction creates a demand that I can supply. But since this thread seems to be a cut above the average drivel in here and actually has some nice information and discussion, it would be pretty nice if we could stay on topic and not let it degenerate into just another GRR CODE HAT CODE thread.
I wouldn't consider this thread to be degenerating. You will note that in my following paragraphs I did provide some constructive suggestions on how a hauler escort might work - and how CODE's "content creation" might be successfully countered.
In saying that CODE should "go **** themselves". I am not saying that their "content creation" is illegitimate. I am simply trying to portray the proper attitude which any industrialist, or hauler ought to have. Which is the same attitude one ought to have whether dealing with scammers, swindlers, pirates, and thieves.
Also, I don't believe that any member of CODE should be offended by my comments. As I believe CODE is seeking to elevate the danger level and punish lazy haulers. So I believe that my response is exactly the kind of in game response which CODE is seeking to encourage. I think paying the "permit" is a copout . CODE is throwing down the gauntlet and it is upto the players to accept that challenge. By yielding to their extortion you have effectively failed to play the game. Adversarial challenges should provoke an adversarial response. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
59851
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:53:01 -
[45] - Quote
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
I wouldn't consider this thread to be degenerating. You will note that in my following paragraphs I did provide some constructive suggestions on how a hauler escort might work - and how CODE's "content creation" might be successfully countered.
In saying that CODE should "go **** themselves". I am not saying that their "content creation" is illegitimate. I am simply trying to portray the proper attitude which any industrialist, or hauler ought to have. Which is the same attitude one ought to have whether dealing with scammers, swindlers, pirates, and thieves.
Also, I don't believe that any member of CODE should be offended by my comments. As I believe CODE is seeking to elevate the danger level and punish lazy haulers. So I believe that my response is exactly the kind of in game response which CODE is seeking to encourage. I think paying the "permit" is a copout . CODE is throwing down the gauntlet and it is upto the players to accept that challenge. By yielding to their extortion you have effectively failed to play the game. Adversarial challenges should provoke an adversarial response.
Hush now, it's ok. GÖÑ
If everything I ever posted was a troll, people would just put me on ignore and no longer bother reading my posts.
The trick is to mix genuine, useful information with utter nonsense or inflammatory remarks- it makes the bait so much more tempting.
Don't feed people like me, Mr. Binchiette.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.09 21:49:48 -
[46] - Quote
Cristl wrote:We don't know what you're moving, but you said relocating. In that case, consider scrapping junk, selling lowends and misc stuff lying around.
What's left might be valuable mods, high end mins, (compressed!) ore and ships. Then look at the orca: pretty tough, can get to warp in reasonable time, and can carry a variety of cargo types. The best companion would be *another* orca (best if not full so if things go south the non-ganked orca can grab cargo or scoop any loot) and a covops to be a jump ahead looking for obvious danger.
The bowhead might be new to you too, check it out if you have many fitted ships to move.
That's pretty safe, but you always run the risk of being autism-bombed in eve :)
Interesting idea - I do have two highly tanked Orcas.
I just picked up a Bowhead for the ships.
Thank Crist and everyone else for getting me up to speed - I appreciate it. |
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.09 21:51:26 -
[47] - Quote
Bob Donovitch wrote:I just returned to EVE after about a year and a half break. But. I see a possible method of using EVE's FTP Alpha clone **** up to advantage freighter pilots.
1. Make an Alpha clone account separate from your main.
2. Train up enough to fly a frigate with guns.
3. Have your Alpha account and your freighter account open at same time.
4. Move both ships to the same gate. ie: one entering Uedama
5. Jump frigate in and find something to start blasting at. This will bring Concord to the gate.
6. Once Concord arrives jump freighter through gate and warp to next gate.
Once Alpha clone has such a deplorable rating you can no longer fly in HiSec retire clone and create another one.
Don't know if this would work in practice ... But seems logical to me.
I know you cant dual account with a Alpha, but Is pre-loading Concord against the TOS? |
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.09 22:07:13 -
[48] - Quote
My 2 cents on CODE :
No I will not pay them a single ISK on general principal.
I donGÇÖt agree with CCPs official position on the high sec gank due to the use of neutral alts. Also I donGÇÖt care for the fact that my nice officer fitted ships will never fly again. Just canGÇÖt have nice things in this game!
That said; they did make high sec transport a lot more fun.
I'm enjoying tanking and learning and adapting. |
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