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Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:45:00 - [121] I dont see why you're making light of what i said Elad, because unlike SOME ive tested it on SiSi and have actually got evidence to prove the thanatos tanks better than the chimera. But laugh if you like :) You having it as your sig, just makes everyone see you're an idiot, not just those in this thread lol.
Kedor Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2007.04.09 19:04:00 - [122] Something will be done about Carriers. It's hinted at here. Tux answer to a boost nid thread Just lean back and wait for Factional Warfare to come along. Hopefully some changes will be in there.
Neji Boro	Posted - 2007.04.09 20:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Elad (Big long hunk of text from post 91, removed due to character limit) Counter to your first point: You're the one who said it was better/not better. I'm just pointing out contradictions in your argument. To the second: Why can't you test it yourself and tell us if it is or not? You're the only one who really has a conflicting viewpoint, and . Oh, and I seem to remember mentioning that the fittings are varied and have similar effects between the two slots. If you're going to say the Nidhoggur isn't gimped in that respect because it "can" fit to have better cap, you should realize that it can fit for what it actually needs to fill its role, at the expense of tank. The other carriers can provide both a lot more easily. You should know that, seeing as you seem to be an expert on all things carrier(and knowing exactly what CCP wants from them). Originally by: Elad Don't try to blame you limited intelligence capacity on someone else because your warped view of this topic somehow turned into a race discussion. Keep it to the 4 carrier discussions. Um, again, you were the one who typed it the way it was. I wasn't turning it into a race discussion, I was interpreting your horrible grammar as a race discussion. Originally by: Elad You keep ignoring the fact that the Minmitar carrier heals more in a shorter amount of time. It doesn't matter if other carriers can run the rep longer, they are repairing less in the same amount of time. Which makes the Minmitar carrier the support ship and more useful. No, actually, it's one of my main points, in that it's not a bonus as much as it is a tradeoff. Burning out 25% faster to get out that extra 25% speed would be useful if it could be maintained constantly, but it only repairs the same amount if the Nidhoggur can last AND use it nonstop for at least 80% of the time any other carrier could use it.(Also assuming that the carrier is level V) Originally by: Elad A shield tanking Minmitar carrier is far better than a armor tanking Thanatos. Originally by: Elad Take a basic math class before posting next time. Problem is, you're forgetting the rest of the equation. It may include w[Transfers](x[Speed] * y[Amount]) = z[Effect], but you need c[Cap] = a[Regen] - (b[Tanking] + z) to really fill it out. That's what this is all about; the fact that it drains extra, and simply makes z lower, because c fails since it can't keep up with b if it's any moderate value, or w if it's any decent value, due to x being increased by 25% and having a low starting value for c. Is that too complex for you? For the sake of everyone here, I'll give you an example of why what you're saying is dumb. Let's imagine you have an Amarr ship. Now, they use up their cap for both their high slots and tank, correct? Now, imagine that you suddenly give an RoF bonus to a ship with a relatively weak capacitor for its class. Awesome, right? It can use some more cap modules if it can't keep up with its own weapons. But wait, that decreases tank! They can't do much damage if they have to warp out right away, can they? Darn, I guess they'd have to just toggle their weapons on and off.... but doesn't that defeat the point of having the bonus in the first place? HEY LOOK, PERFECT METAPHOR. :D Of course, you'll dismiss what I say A) with some nonsense about a tiny strawman point, like usual, B) by saying that you completely support simply increasing the bonus(despite poor attempts at countering my arguments as to why the Nidhoggur is doing poorly as a support ship, and then repeated attempts at leading everyone to believe that you're actually supporting THE EXACT SAME THING I'M TALKING ABOUT even though you troll everyone who talks about it.), or C) By ignoring the logic and pasting the same argument again. So, until you actually bring in something other than "25% RoF increases amount per second by 25%, therefore it is stronger", I'm going to copy and paste a response again and again.
Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.10 01:00:00 - [124] Sorry to see such an excellent post given over to flaming. I'd vote for fighter speed and tracking bonuses. It makes the Nidhi unique and gives it an interesting new role to play. Plus it fits with the general light, swift hit-and-run philosophy of the race. Jump range would simply turn it into the 0.0 jump hauler of choice (until CCP creates a true jump hauler). Thanks again GC13. Many props for pulling this together.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.04.10 08:44:00 - [125] bump, because the nid needs love and I'd like to have a dev answer to the suggestions made in here. The essence of this thread is worth an answer even people tried to derail it. Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Aife Zinen	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:41:00 - [126] At least give the Nid a bit more CPU ;)
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:42:00 - [127] Signed specifically for the nidhoggur but also for the other carriers too. Balance them! sort out fitting issues (cpu on the chimera and phoenix!) make it fun to fly them in fleet ______________________________________
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:48:00 - [128] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 10/04/2007 11:47:20 Originally by: Ahz I'd vote for fighter speed and tracking bonuses. It makes the Nidhi unique and gives it an interesting new role to play. Plus it fits with the general light, swift hit-and-run philosophy of the race. As long as all the other carriers can tank 2-5 times the amount of DPS (with realistic fittings), this is still not enough of an incentive for putting a Nidhoggur on the front line... From the base stats, all other Tier-1 carriers could probably outtank a Hel too using similar modules (but noone in their right mind would fit a Hel with T2 mods). What would boost the Nidhoggur in a "neutral" way would be very useful medium slot modules for Carriers, for example a Fighter damage mod or something similar. Then the fact that it can just still armor tank and fit more of those modules than other tanked carriers at the same time, would boost it a bit.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:53:00 - [129] Originally by: Pan Crastus Edited by: Pan Crastus on 10/04/2007 11:47:20 Originally by: Ahz I'd vote for fighter speed and tracking bonuses. It makes the Nidhi unique and gives it an interesting new role to play. Plus it fits with the general light, swift hit-and-run philosophy of the race. As long as all the other carriers can tank 2-5 times the amount of DPS (with realistic fittings), this is still not enough of an incentive for putting a Nidhoggur on the front line... From the base stats, all other Tier-1 carriers could probably outtank a Hel too using similar modules (but noone in their right mind would fit a Hel with T2 mods). What would boost the Nidhoggur in a "neutral" way would be very useful medium slot modules for Carriers, for example a Fighter damage mod or something similar. Then the fact that it can just still armor tank and fit more of those modules than other tanked carriers at the same time, would boost it a bit. Tbh.....if anyone thinks a Hel can tank better than a carrier, is foolish :) Hel can have a better tank than a Wyvern even (trust me...seen it).
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:54:00 - [130] Originally by: Waxau Hel can have a better tank than a Wyvern even (trust me...seen it). No, it can't. Unless you're trying to say "a properly fitted Hel can tank better than a badly fitted Wyvern". If you are claiming that a Hel can tank better with modules of the same class, proof or STFU ;-) (list of fittings)
Jurushy SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:28:00 - [131] well the minmatar race doctrien is damage right? remove the remote bonus and give is 1 turret per carrier level i want to fit 5 XL autocannons on my nid YARRR!!! ------ REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD Old Klingon prover
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:56:00 - [132] Edited by: Waxau on 10/04/2007 15:58:44 Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Waxau Hel can have a better tank than a Wyvern even (trust me...seen it). No, it can't. Unless you're trying to say "a properly fitted Hel can tank better than a badly fitted Wyvern". If you are claiming that a Hel can tank better with modules of the same class, proof or STFU ;-) (list of fittings) the proof is ive tested them. Both t2 and faction setups. You dont have to believe me, but i give you only the facts. Ps - i fly caldari carriers, and you dont see me asking for a boost, which will just go to reinforce im not trying to get caldari boosted either) Nid's can tank fine, except the cap problems. What the problem is, is its bonuses. On a better note, if we compare the general ethos of all races, Gallente are drone spec'd (despite stories of caldari inventing fighters yada yada). Hence the damage bonus is legit. Caldari are tankers generally, as are amarr (What else do they have going for em eh? ^^) Minnie however are going to always be the odd ones out. Their main advantage is usually alpha strike, and versatility. However, that cant really be put onto carriers too easily. So my suggestion is the following. It needs a unique bonus. One any other race wouldnt ever have. Yet not be so overpowered, people will flock to the nid. Extended Ship Bay maybe? If its truely a logistics ship, then instead of giving it an unfair bonus of 'jump distance' (no offence to the one who suggested it), the extra cargo bay, will NOT boost general 'take this from 0.0, that to empire' and so on, but also general pvp. Whether its carrying ammo, or spare ships, or just hauling around crap. It also therefore achieves the goal of 'Minnie have to use a module to gain anything from their bonuses. However, some may prefer the jump range, but i can see that being a tad overpowered, compared to all capital ships in general.
Plymer Ization Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:19:00 - [133] The Nidhoggur deserves better than the 3rd page. Bump!
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:33:00 - [134] I shall bump this for no better reason than being Minmatar. Yarr! ----------------------
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:33:00 - [135] I shall bump this for no better reason than being Minmatar. Yarr! ----------------------
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.11 15:16:00 - [136] I shall bump it for no other reason than i was told to! Yarrbbq
Liisa Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.11 17:09:00 - [137] As somebody who will soon be in a Minmatar carrier (once I get the isk together for one) I would really like the "support" bonus to be changed to one which reduces the cap need of remote armor and shield transfers. This would satisfy both sides of the flaming we have had. It keeps the "support" bonus while making the bonus actually useful. Of course it would need to be more than 5% per level. My personal vote would be for either 7.5 or 10%, anything but the time reduction bonus which is so minimal that it is almost a non-issue. ----------------------------------
Ethion Amoral Self Promoters	Posted - 2007.04.11 19:37:00 - [138] Signed BOOST THE NIDDY!!!
JForce Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 00:44:00 - [139] Originally by: Waxau Edited by: Waxau on 10/04/2007 15:58:44 Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Waxau Hel can have a better tank than a Wyvern even (trust me...seen it). No, it can't. Unless you're trying to say "a properly fitted Hel can tank better than a badly fitted Wyvern". If you are claiming that a Hel can tank better with modules of the same class, proof or STFU ;-) (list of fittings) the proof is ive tested them. Both t2 and faction setups. You dont have to believe me, but i give you only the facts. Ps - i fly caldari carriers, and you dont see me asking for a boost, which will just go to reinforce im not trying to get caldari boosted either) Wax can you elaborate on this please? How exactly can a Hel out-tank a Wyvern? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.12 08:29:00 - [140] Originally by: JForce Originally by: Waxau Edited by: Waxau on 10/04/2007 15:58:44 Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Waxau Hel can have a better tank than a Wyvern even (trust me...seen it). No, it can't. Unless you're trying to say "a properly fitted Hel can tank better than a badly fitted Wyvern". If you are claiming that a Hel can tank better with modules of the same class, proof or STFU ;-) (list of fittings) the proof is ive tested them. Both t2 and faction setups. You dont have to believe me, but i give you only the facts. Ps - i fly caldari carriers, and you dont see me asking for a boost, which will just go to reinforce im not trying to get caldari boosted either) Wax can you elaborate on this please? How exactly can a Hel out-tank a Wyvern? It cant. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.12 09:42:00 - [141] Oh im sorry - Have you flown them? No? Thought so. With maxed skills, and the setup a hel can achieve, the extra resist bonuses of the chimera mean squat.
Amy Wang	Posted - 2007.04.12 10:12:00 - [142] Maybe he means that a officer fitted Hel can outtank a t1 fitted Wyvern, which could be true :P Anyway, great work GC13 with this thread. Regarding the Dev answer, I just hope that they remember when they change/boost all carriers to change/boost the Nid considerably more then the rest as it deserves.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.04.12 10:16:00 - [143] Originally by: Waxau Oh im sorry - Have you flown them? No? Thought so. With maxed skills, and the setup a hel can achieve, the extra resist bonuses of the chimera mean squat. List of fittings or STFU ;-)
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:50:00 - [144] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Waxau Oh im sorry - Have you flown them? No? Thought so. With maxed skills, and the setup a hel can achieve, the extra resist bonuses of the chimera mean squat. List of fittings or STFU ;-) How bout you STFU and stop trying to derail a perfectly good thread eh? Bloody nubtard Dont have to trust me - cos quite frankly, i dont give a ****
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:23:00 - [145] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 12/04/2007 13:21:43 Originally by: Waxau How bout you STFU and stop trying to derail a perfectly good thread eh? Bloody nubtard Dont have to trust me - cos quite frankly, i dont give a ** Well, everyone who has ever tried to fit a Carrier knows that your claim is bull**, so how about you own up to it? Boasting with how you have flown MS on Sisi and calling people "nubtarts" doesn't change the facts that anyone can verify for himself, you're just making yourself look stupid by flaming after posting such crap. But why do I bother, you're just a troll and everyone knows why you are not going to post your magical fittings ...
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:36:00 - [146] Firstly, ive been posting here giving points on why i think the nidhogger is needing a boost - How is that trolling? Secondly, the so called 'BS' that i post here i know for fact isnt. But you dont have to believe, same goes for anyone else. Infact you can call me what the heck you like, cos its no skin off my teeth. But keep on derailing mate - You're doing a good job. And ps - You really expect me to remember a setup for a ship i flew ONCE over half a year ago?
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:38:00 - [147] Quite a bit more than half a year ago matey. Also, Wax has been defending this topic from the childish pranks of Elad for 4 pages...Calling him a troll makes absolutely no sense. What could be possible is that simply Maxed out Armour repair skills are more effective than Maxed out Shield skills. I'm not entirely sure, but that might be a factor in why Wax claims the Hel had a better tank. shrugs Anyway, we had 4 pages of Elad trolling, and now we have a swiftly derailing topic talking about wyvern vs hel. :) An intriguing discussion, I'm sure, but I would beseech everyone to maintain the civil attitude in this particular thread, especially since it was posted at the request of a dev. :) ----------------------
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.12 18:30:00 - [148] Man, just the topic I wanted to start, was looking into getting in a nidhoggur, read the description...oh crap, that's useless, it takes soo long to lock a friendly, that by the time he is locked, if he is not dead, a 5% speed factor of repping per level is not gonna change much, unless it's a capital ship, then the only real issue is not the speed but the cap, which make the bonus even more useless. The extra tracking seems to be the best idea for me, it will help the minmatar carrier shine in small engagement a bit, while providing few to no advantages in fleet battles (where targets are webbed and often targetpainted anyway, or are just BSs or above anyway). Consider it a free bump ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind. snip, do not evade the word filter with your sig. Email [email protected] for more information. -HornFrog
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.04.12 19:58:00 - [149] Originally by: Victor Ivanov Quite a bit more than half a year ago matey. Also, Wax has been defending this topic from the childish pranks of Elad for 4 pages...Calling him a troll makes absolutely no sense. What could be possible is that simply Maxed out Armour repair skills are more effective than Maxed out Shield skills. I'm not entirely sure, but that might be a factor in why Wax claims the Hel had a better tank. shrugs Anyway, we had 4 pages of Elad trolling, and now we have a swiftly derailing topic talking about wyvern vs hel. :) An intriguing discussion, I'm sure, but I would beseech everyone to maintain the civil attitude in this particular thread, especially since it was posted at the request of a dev. :) I am going to go out on a limb and say that the cap need of capital sized repair/booster modules combined with the inability of capital pilots to fit effective low slot capacitor regenerating items combined with the high base capacitor and regen of carries and the need of mid slot items such as sensor boosters allows the armor tanking ships to utilizie more of their tanking slots for tank. While the armor tankers can load up on capacitor mods in order to sustain their tank while having more available slots. When the mids/lows of a wyvern might look like CSBI/SBAII/INV/INV/EMhard/Sensor Booster II/CRII x 2 DCII/PDS x 4 the mids/lows of a Thanatos or Nyx will look like Sensor Booster II/ CRII x 4 CARI x 2/EANM/EANM/DC/EX Hard or CARI x 2/ex hard/kin hard/ therm hard/ EANM/EANM[or DC] for the nyx. The Nyx/Thanatos is much more cap stable in this manner which is what breaks the deal. A wyvern ought to be able to make a better spider tank or passive tank[Via HP buffer, regen will be terrible] ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.12 20:25:00 - [150] Originally by: Goumindong A wyvern ought to be able to make a better spider tank or passive tank[Via HP buffer, regen will be terrible] I just figured out what would make Pottsey giggle like a schoolgirl N.F.F. Recruitment

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